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Title: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 04, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/04/new-york-times-says-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-latino/ (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/04/new-york-times-says-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-latino/)

we all knew it was coming, here it is. I said years ago that if one of these guys was the nominee, the Dems/media would try to claim they 'weren't real hispanics'. the smear campaign against reality (a hallmark of the left) has already begun.
first chris Matthews came out and said they 'didn't count as hispanics', now the New York Times is doing the same thing.

talk about desperation...
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/04/new-york-times-says-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-latino/ (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/04/new-york-times-says-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-latino/)

we all knew it was coming, here it is. I said years ago that if one of these guys was the nominee, the Dems/media would try to claim they 'weren't real hispanics'. the smear campaign against reality (a hallmark of the left) has already begun.
first chris Matthews came out and said they 'didn't count as hispanics', now the New York Times is doing the same thing.

talk about desperation...

Ozmo approved.   :-\
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:38:10 AM
Who gives a shit?  They're both disastrous, either way.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:38:51 AM
Who gives a shit?  They're both disastrous, either way.

No they aren't.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: OzmO on February 04, 2016, 11:39:58 AM
told ya.   :D
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:41:09 AM
No they aren't.

You like the thought of foreigners displacing our workers.

Noted.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:45:11 AM
told ya.   :D

(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/hava_java/racist.jpg)
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
You like the thought of foreigners displacing our workers.

Noted.

Obviously never said that. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Straw Man on February 04, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
wow, that's unprecedented

many Republican on this board routinely argued that Obama wasn't a "real" black person (that didn't prevent them from all kinds of racist statements and pictures or suggest the only reason anyone voted for him was because he was black)

http://www.cjr.org/politics/is_obama_black_enough.php

Quote
Is Obama Black Enough?

Kroft isn’t the first journalist to ask, implicitly or not, whether Obama is black enough. A Los Angeles Times editorial on Tuesday asked “is Obama really black?”, while New York Daily News columnist Stanley Crouch asserted in November that “other than color, Obama did not — does not — share a heritage with the majority of black Americans, who are descendants of plantation slaves … So when black Americans refer to Obama as ‘one of us,’ I do not know what they are talking about.”
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:48:02 AM
Obviously never said that. 

Oh, but you did.

And their lying about it is A-OK in your book.

Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:49:57 AM
Oh, but you did.

And their lying about it is A-OK in your book.



lol.  Who are you 240?  Just making crap up as you go along? 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:50:27 AM
Talk about a wild-goose chase, this race BS.  What a fucking meaningless distraction.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:51:49 AM
lol.  Who are you 240?  Just making crap up as you go along? 

That's 100% on you.  You're the guy backing their bullshit.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
That's 100% on you.  You're the guy backing their bullshit.

Do you often stuff up and pass it along as fact? 

Oh wait.  You are a 911 Troofer.  Never mind.  lol 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
What is it you don't like about Bush, DE?  You've said before that you'd sit it out if he were the man.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 11:55:44 AM
Do you often stuff up and pass it along as fact? 

Oh wait.  You are a 911 Troofer.  Never mind.  lol 

Will you state right now that you back neither Cruz nor Rubio?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
What is it you don't like about Bush, DE?  You've said before that you'd sit it out if he were the man.

His last name. 

I did not say I would sit out if he were the man.  I said I would sit out if it's Hillary v. Trump or Jeb.  But what I'd likely do is vote for Gary Johnson. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
Will you state right now that you back neither Cruz nor Rubio?

Oh now you want to ask me a question after attributing some made up BS to me? 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:01:37 PM
His last name.  

I did not say I would sit out if he were the man.  I said I would sit out if it's Hillary v. Trump or Jeb.  But what I'd likely do is vote for Gary Johnson.  

Meaning what?  That the Democrat running would have a bearing on your decision whether to participate or not?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
Meaning what?  That the Democrat running would have a bearing on your decision whether to participate or not?

I just said I will likely participate. 

Yes the Democrat nominee will have a bearing on who I vote for.  It always does. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:08:47 PM
I just said I will likely participate. 

Yes the Democrat nominee will have a bearing on who I vote for.  It always does. 

Meaning that you see Hillary and Bush as being equally threatening, so you'd rather leave it alone than participate?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Meaning that you see Hillary and Bush as being equally threatening, so you'd rather leave it alone than participate?

Dude.  I said I will likely participate. 

I will not vote for Hillary, Jeb, or Trump. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
Dude.  I said I will likely participate. 

I will not vote for Hillary, Jeb, or Trump. 

What did you mean by this:

His last name.  




Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
What did you mean by this:






I don't like the fact two families (Clinton and Bush) could potentially run the country for 28 years.   
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
I don't like the fact two families (Clinton and Bush) could potentially run the country for 28 years.   

And if his name wasn't Bush?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:26:29 PM
And if his name wasn't Bush?

But it is. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
But it is. 

Would you vote for someone else with identical ideas as him?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
Would you vote for someone else with identical ideas as him?

I don't know.  Depends on the person. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:36:20 PM
I don't know.  Depends on the person. 

So there could be something about the person outside of his/her positions that might influence your decision?  What could that be?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
So there could be something about the person outside of his/her positions that might influence your decision?  What could that be?

Their character, experience, integrity, etc. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:45:02 PM
Their character, experience, integrity, etc. 

Isn't that where the positions come from?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:45:44 PM
Isn't that where the positions come from?

Not always. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
Not always. 

Where do they come from, if not there?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 04, 2016, 12:49:57 PM
So Jeb is the only hispanic in the race now?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Where do they come from, if not there?

Can be from a variety of sources:  party platform/affiliation, life experience, personal convictions, faith, etc.  
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
Can be from a variety of sources:  party platform/affiliation, life experience, personal convictions, faith, etc.  

Could they come from acting as a puppet to financial backers?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Could they come from acting as a puppet to financial backers?

Of course. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 12:56:24 PM
Of course. 

So you'd be open to voting for someone with identical positions as Jeb Bush. 

Or didn't you mean to say that?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 12:57:39 PM
So you'd be open to voting for someone with identical positions as Jeb Bush. 

Or didn't you mean to say that?

Go back and read what I said.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on February 04, 2016, 01:08:14 PM
Go back and read what I said.

You stand by what you wrote?

Just answer it and that will be that.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
You stand by what you wrote?

Just answer it and that will be that.

I wrote what I wrote and that is that. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: OzmO on February 04, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
wow, that's unprecedented

many Republican on this board routinely argued that Obama wasn't a "real" black person (that didn't prevent them from all kinds of racist statements and pictures or suggest the only reason anyone voted for him was because he was black)

http://www.cjr.org/politics/is_obama_black_enough.php



We really shouldn't take the CBCC (cry baby conservative club) too seriously.  Just give them a Reagan lolly pop and they will pipe down a bit.   
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on February 04, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
No they aren't.

Which one is good... and why?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
If Rubio and Cruz did this on the campaign trail, and spoke with an accent, Ozmo would consider them genuinely Hispanic:

Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 01:36:06 PM
Which one is good... and why?

Both, because they are incredibly smart, accomplished, right on most of the issues, not afraid to take on the establishment, better than we have seen the last seven years, and better than Hillary.

Only thing they are missing is an authentic Cuban accent. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on February 04, 2016, 01:38:07 PM
Both, because they are incredibly smart, accomplished, right on most of the issues, not afraid to take on the establishment, better than we have seen the last seven years, and better than Hillary.

Only thing they are missing is an authentic Cuban accent. 

hehehe.. thanks bro....lol
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on February 04, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
hehehe.. thanks bro....lol

No problem.  Are you voting for Hillary if she is the nominee and if so why?
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 02, 2016, 07:43:07 AM
No problem.  Are you voting for Hillary if she is the nominee and if so why?

Im not sure...
Id rather Sanders tho. Hilary to just seems sleazy and slimy. Nothing to do with the Selective Outrage of Benghazi or some bullshit email scandal.
But she has a bunch of little lies on big issues that make up an untrustworthy candidate. Her stance on innercity crime cause effect and treatment was disgusting to me.
She didnt stick to her guns with Universal Healthcare. Its pretty bad

I hate Cruz tho... I only like Flat Tax idea... But the fact that he obstructed a bipartisan resolution to send $70mil in aid to Flint MI to help with the tainted water crisis... it was political bullshit... just sucked.

Rubio super politician... not sure if thats a good thing
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: James on March 02, 2016, 08:01:05 AM


I hate Cruz tho... I only like Flat Tax idea... But the fact that he obstructed a bipartisan resolution to send $70mil in aid to Flint MI to help with the tainted water crisis... it was political bullshit... just sucked.




"Cruz’s Senate office said late Thursday, Cruz has now reviewed the bill and will not prevent it from moving forward.

“He just needed the time to read the bill first before knowing what he was signing on to,” said Cruz spokesman Phil Novack."


http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/ted-cruz-holds-up-legislation-to-fix-flint-water-crisis.html/
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2016, 12:09:15 PM
Im not sure...
Id rather Sanders tho. Hilary to just seems sleazy and slimy. Nothing to do with the Selective Outrage of Benghazi or some bullshit email scandal.
But she has a bunch of little lies on big issues that make up an untrustworthy candidate. Her stance on innercity crime cause effect and treatment was disgusting to me.
She didnt stick to her guns with Universal Healthcare. Its pretty bad

I hate Cruz tho... I only like Flat Tax idea... But the fact that he obstructed a bipartisan resolution to send $70mil in aid to Flint MI to help with the tainted water crisis... it was political bullshit... just sucked.

Rubio super politician... not sure if thats a good thing

I'm pretty disgusted, but we have been running crappy candidates for years already.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 02, 2016, 12:38:36 PM
I'm pretty disgusted, but we have been running crappy candidates for years already.
LoL this is pretty sick...

I like Kasich in this election. Who would have thought that the Ultra Conservative Governor would the most sensible of both Dems and Repubs.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 02, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Its so sickening that every time i think about Hilary i get a bad feeling in my stomach.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
LoL this is pretty sick...

I like Kasich in this election. Who would have thought that the Ultra Conservative Governor would the most sensible of both Dems and Repubs.

You think Kasich is ultra conservative? 

The only candidate I would have considered voting for on the Democrat side quit early (Webb). 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2016, 12:43:06 PM
Its so sickening that every time i think about Hilary i get a bad feeling in my stomach.

I feel that way about several candidates. 
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 02, 2016, 12:52:54 PM
You think Kasich is ultra conservative? 

The only candidate I would have considered voting for on the Democrat side quit early (Webb). 

10 years ago he would have been considered way right....not senseless conservative but very strong right. Now he isnt being super crazy about it so he looks almost Moderate standing next to the rest of the nut jobs
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2016, 01:06:32 PM
10 years ago he would have been considered way right....not senseless conservative but very strong right. Now he isnt being super crazy about it so he looks almost Moderate standing next to the rest of the nut jobs

Seems fairly moderate to me.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 02, 2016, 02:16:09 PM
Seems fairly moderate to me.

Check this out
http://www.ohio.com/news/education/ohio-gov-john-kasich-moderate-image-cloaks-conservative-positions-1.665288


As Republicans head into a two-week marathon of high-stakes primaries that likely will determine the party nominee, they have two John Kasichs on the ballot: The governor with a record of staunch conservative public policy, and the one whose campaign message has created an image of compassionate moderate.
If voters mark his name, which one are they electing?
His campaign has delivered a calm, affable candidate.
He gets personal at town halls and, in comparison, runs a clean campaign. Supporters like his candor, see authenticity in his gaffes and respect his discipline. Newspapers endorse him on a record of working with Democrats like President Bill Clinton, who signed a balanced spending plan when Kasich led the House Budget Committee.
“He has a record of pragmatic Midwestern conservatism,” the Boston Globe wrote before Kasich’s second-place finish in New Hampshire.
He’s viewed as a compassionate governor who expanded Medicaid against the will of his party and to the pleasure of President Barack Obama. He also alienated the tea-party voters. Answering to God, Kasich said he’d rather help the working poor than play politics.
In the year before announcing his candidacy, he proposed more aid to city schools with concentrated poverty and Democratic voters. And he vetoed the same for wealthier suburban schools.
In the battle for moderate voters who loathe Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the seemingly unorthodox Ohio governor could be an appealing alternative.
Different view at home
But then there’s the prickly politician who easily gets his way because the heavily gerrymandered Democratic state has an overwhelming Republican majority in both houses of the legislature.
He’s pushed to privatize government functions, in particular education, and to significantly weaken public unions.
Behind closed doors, his staff worked with business leaders in Youngstown to orchestrate a takeover of the public schools, taking control of the district from voters and their elected school board and turning it over to a business manager.
Ohioans rejected his plan to curb collective bargaining for public employees in 2011. Still, he’s privatized jails, the state’s economic development office and — last year — outlawed union rights for health care workers. He shifted money away from public school districts to quadruple the number of private school vouchers and increased aid to nonunionized charter schools.
On social issues, he’s unequivocally conservative.
Nearly half of Ohio’s abortion clinics have folded under restrictive laws passed under his governorship. A bill he signed last week defunds Planned Parenthood. On marriage equality, Kasich lined Ohio up on the losing end of a legal battle which, after reaching the U.S. Supreme Court, resulted in legalized gay marriage, everywhere.
Help for the rich
Kasich has accelerated Ohio’s shift to a regressive tax system that disproportionately benefits the wealthy.
Before the legislature tweaked his last biennial tax plan, Kasich recommended a mix of tax increases and cuts that would have resulted in the lowest 20 percent of Ohioans paying $116 more while the wealthiest 1 percent (who earn about $1 million on average) save $11,906 each, on average, according to analyses by Policy Matters Ohio and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy in Washington, D.C.
The legislature said no to Kasich’s half-percent sales tax hike and reduced his income tax cut from 23 percent to 6.3 percent.
This back-and-forth with the legislature plays out every two years as Kasich seeks to abolish the income tax. He’s already outlawed the death tax and curbed small business taxes. Kasich has tried to pay for income tax cuts by increasing other taxes on cigarettes and natural gas, and the sales tax.
“The governor has been very clear that the income tax needs to be reduced and eventually eliminated in order for Ohio to perform optimally economically,” Kasich’s budget director Tim Keen said in an interview.
Keen didn’t explain what would replace the income tax, which in 2014, for the first time in decades, produced less state revenue than the sales tax.
A decade ago, the income tax produced about 3 percent more than the sales tax. This year, the income tax could produce 15 percent less than sales, according to OBM projections. That’s a significant change.
“When you raise sales taxes and you cut income taxes,” explained Zach Schiller with Policy Matters, “it benefits the wealthiest Ohioans to the greatest degree. And that’s what’s happened under Kasich.”
Image issue
Even before Kasich’s impressive second-place finish in New Hampshire, Danielle Coombs — a Kent State professor who wrote a book about the 2012 Republican primary — found it interesting that so many people knew so little about him, except his name.
“It was really surprising to hear so many people with the perception that he was so popular in Ohio,” said Coombs, who traveled to Florida this month on business.
The idea that Ohioans love Kasich, Coombs deduced, had something to do with the 64 percent of voters who re-elected him in 2014 — something the Boston Globe noted in endorsing Kasich before the New Hampshire primary. What America might not know about Kasich’s lopsided re-election, Coombs said, is that his opponent, a former Cuyahoga County executive, lacked a driver’s license for a decade and was found in a car late at night with a woman other than his wife. Such facts, like first winning by only two percentage points in the 2010 national Republican landslide, could provide ample context for the uninformed voter.
Better with age
It’s not uncommon for elected officials to change their behavior when campaigning, said John Green, director of the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron.
“I think it’s just maturing as a politician,” Green said of the “acerbic” versus the “gentle” Kasich.
In this contentious race, Republican candidates have had success distancing themselves from their own party. Kasich — who calls the party his vehicle, not his master — is now appealing with a positive message that relies on his long record of public service. That could work, Green said.
Outside candidates, as evidenced by Trump’s low favorability rating among the general population, have a tendency to repel voters they don’t attract. Kasich, with a soft smile and affability, has separated himself in the once crowded GOP field.
“I think the decision to be a moderate conservative was a calculated decision,” said David Pepper, chairman of Ohio’s Democratic Party. “You don’t out-conservative Ted Cruz.”
Squishy numbers
In Thursday’s raucous debate, Kasich tried to shame the others by recalling the innocence of a 12-year-old girl who, at a town hall meeting, told him, “I don’t like all this yelling and screaming at the debates. My mother’s thinking I might not be able to watch the thing anymore.”
Some national media have called him a “voice of reason” — an unnerving thought for critics at home.
“On TV, I can’t believe what I’m seeing because he has not been moderate as the governor of Ohio,” said Joe Schiavoni, the minority leader in the Ohio Senate. “His rhetoric doesn’t match his action. I’m not trying to take a shot at him.”
Democrats in the Senate accused Kasich of balancing the projected $8 billion budget shortfall — a number that remains controversial — on the backs of Ohio’s local governments, forcing radical cuts in schools, police and fire departments.
Keen and Republicans reject that assertion, pointing to one-time federal stimulus dollars that Democrats used to keep public education funded as state revenues tumbled. The stimulus expired as Kasich entered office, so there was nowhere to turn. But not only did they allow that to expire, but he also cut another $487 million in state aid to schools in his first budget.
Kasich’s claim of restoring jobs to their former strength also begs interpretation. The governor has taken credit for 400,000 new jobs since taking office. However, he’s leaving government jobs out of the equation.
The Beacon Journal contracted with its former data reporter David Knox to analyze Ohio’s jobs numbers. While he confirmed that Kasich correctly claims that private sector jobs have grown since taking office, total employment remains below the pre-2008 recession level because of the dramatic cuts in government jobs.
Still, using Kasich’s logic of counting only private sector jobs, Knox reckons Ohio ranks 22nd in job growth, hardly “one of the fastest growing states in the country”, as Kasich said in New Hampshire this month.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 02, 2016, 07:09:23 PM
Check this out
http://www.ohio.com/news/education/ohio-gov-john-kasich-moderate-image-cloaks-conservative-positions-1.665288


As Republicans head into a two-week marathon of high-stakes primaries that likely will determine the party nominee, they have two John Kasichs on the ballot: The governor with a record of staunch conservative public policy, and the one whose campaign message has created an image of compassionate moderate.
If voters mark his name, which one are they electing?
His campaign has delivered a calm, affable candidate.
He gets personal at town halls and, in comparison, runs a clean campaign. Supporters like his candor, see authenticity in his gaffes and respect his discipline. Newspapers endorse him on a record of working with Democrats like President Bill Clinton, who signed a balanced spending plan when Kasich led the House Budget Committee.
“He has a record of pragmatic Midwestern conservatism,” the Boston Globe wrote before Kasich’s second-place finish in New Hampshire.
He’s viewed as a compassionate governor who expanded Medicaid against the will of his party and to the pleasure of President Barack Obama. He also alienated the tea-party voters. Answering to God, Kasich said he’d rather help the working poor than play politics.
In the year before announcing his candidacy, he proposed more aid to city schools with concentrated poverty and Democratic voters. And he vetoed the same for wealthier suburban schools.
In the battle for moderate voters who loathe Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the seemingly unorthodox Ohio governor could be an appealing alternative.
Different view at home
But then there’s the prickly politician who easily gets his way because the heavily gerrymandered Democratic state has an overwhelming Republican majority in both houses of the legislature.
He’s pushed to privatize government functions, in particular education, and to significantly weaken public unions.
Behind closed doors, his staff worked with business leaders in Youngstown to orchestrate a takeover of the public schools, taking control of the district from voters and their elected school board and turning it over to a business manager.
Ohioans rejected his plan to curb collective bargaining for public employees in 2011. Still, he’s privatized jails, the state’s economic development office and — last year — outlawed union rights for health care workers. He shifted money away from public school districts to quadruple the number of private school vouchers and increased aid to nonunionized charter schools.
On social issues, he’s unequivocally conservative.
Nearly half of Ohio’s abortion clinics have folded under restrictive laws passed under his governorship. A bill he signed last week defunds Planned Parenthood. On marriage equality, Kasich lined Ohio up on the losing end of a legal battle which, after reaching the U.S. Supreme Court, resulted in legalized gay marriage, everywhere.
Help for the rich
Kasich has accelerated Ohio’s shift to a regressive tax system that disproportionately benefits the wealthy.
Before the legislature tweaked his last biennial tax plan, Kasich recommended a mix of tax increases and cuts that would have resulted in the lowest 20 percent of Ohioans paying $116 more while the wealthiest 1 percent (who earn about $1 million on average) save $11,906 each, on average, according to analyses by Policy Matters Ohio and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy in Washington, D.C.
The legislature said no to Kasich’s half-percent sales tax hike and reduced his income tax cut from 23 percent to 6.3 percent.
This back-and-forth with the legislature plays out every two years as Kasich seeks to abolish the income tax. He’s already outlawed the death tax and curbed small business taxes. Kasich has tried to pay for income tax cuts by increasing other taxes on cigarettes and natural gas, and the sales tax.
“The governor has been very clear that the income tax needs to be reduced and eventually eliminated in order for Ohio to perform optimally economically,” Kasich’s budget director Tim Keen said in an interview.
Keen didn’t explain what would replace the income tax, which in 2014, for the first time in decades, produced less state revenue than the sales tax.
A decade ago, the income tax produced about 3 percent more than the sales tax. This year, the income tax could produce 15 percent less than sales, according to OBM projections. That’s a significant change.
“When you raise sales taxes and you cut income taxes,” explained Zach Schiller with Policy Matters, “it benefits the wealthiest Ohioans to the greatest degree. And that’s what’s happened under Kasich.”
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Even before Kasich’s impressive second-place finish in New Hampshire, Danielle Coombs — a Kent State professor who wrote a book about the 2012 Republican primary — found it interesting that so many people knew so little about him, except his name.
“It was really surprising to hear so many people with the perception that he was so popular in Ohio,” said Coombs, who traveled to Florida this month on business.
The idea that Ohioans love Kasich, Coombs deduced, had something to do with the 64 percent of voters who re-elected him in 2014 — something the Boston Globe noted in endorsing Kasich before the New Hampshire primary. What America might not know about Kasich’s lopsided re-election, Coombs said, is that his opponent, a former Cuyahoga County executive, lacked a driver’s license for a decade and was found in a car late at night with a woman other than his wife. Such facts, like first winning by only two percentage points in the 2010 national Republican landslide, could provide ample context for the uninformed voter.
Better with age
It’s not uncommon for elected officials to change their behavior when campaigning, said John Green, director of the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron.
“I think it’s just maturing as a politician,” Green said of the “acerbic” versus the “gentle” Kasich.
In this contentious race, Republican candidates have had success distancing themselves from their own party. Kasich — who calls the party his vehicle, not his master — is now appealing with a positive message that relies on his long record of public service. That could work, Green said.
Outside candidates, as evidenced by Trump’s low favorability rating among the general population, have a tendency to repel voters they don’t attract. Kasich, with a soft smile and affability, has separated himself in the once crowded GOP field.
“I think the decision to be a moderate conservative was a calculated decision,” said David Pepper, chairman of Ohio’s Democratic Party. “You don’t out-conservative Ted Cruz.”
Squishy numbers
In Thursday’s raucous debate, Kasich tried to shame the others by recalling the innocence of a 12-year-old girl who, at a town hall meeting, told him, “I don’t like all this yelling and screaming at the debates. My mother’s thinking I might not be able to watch the thing anymore.”
Some national media have called him a “voice of reason” — an unnerving thought for critics at home.
“On TV, I can’t believe what I’m seeing because he has not been moderate as the governor of Ohio,” said Joe Schiavoni, the minority leader in the Ohio Senate. “His rhetoric doesn’t match his action. I’m not trying to take a shot at him.”
Democrats in the Senate accused Kasich of balancing the projected $8 billion budget shortfall — a number that remains controversial — on the backs of Ohio’s local governments, forcing radical cuts in schools, police and fire departments.
Keen and Republicans reject that assertion, pointing to one-time federal stimulus dollars that Democrats used to keep public education funded as state revenues tumbled. The stimulus expired as Kasich entered office, so there was nowhere to turn. But not only did they allow that to expire, but he also cut another $487 million in state aid to schools in his first budget.
Kasich’s claim of restoring jobs to their former strength also begs interpretation. The governor has taken credit for 400,000 new jobs since taking office. However, he’s leaving government jobs out of the equation.
The Beacon Journal contracted with its former data reporter David Knox to analyze Ohio’s jobs numbers. While he confirmed that Kasich correctly claims that private sector jobs have grown since taking office, total employment remains below the pre-2008 recession level because of the dramatic cuts in government jobs.
Still, using Kasich’s logic of counting only private sector jobs, Knox reckons Ohio ranks 22nd in job growth, hardly “one of the fastest growing states in the country”, as Kasich said in New Hampshire this month.

I read it.  Doesn't sound ultra conservative to me.  Sounds like he some things that were pretty moderate, some that were conservative, and some Ohio Democrats didn't like his conservative positions.   
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 03, 2016, 06:07:54 AM
I read it.  Doesn't sound ultra conservative to me.  Sounds like he some things that were pretty moderate, some that were conservative, and some Ohio Democrats didn't like his conservative positions.   

I think he is conservative in the real word... but in this bizarro world were in now... standing next to the current field... and in this political climate...he looks moderate.
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Dos Equis on March 03, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
I think he is conservative in the real word... but in this bizarro world were in now... standing next to the current field... and in this political climate...he looks moderate.

What about this part:   "he proposed more aid to city schools with concentrated poverty and Democratic voters."
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Option D on March 03, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
Behind closed doors, his staff worked with business leaders in Youngstown to orchestrate a takeover of the public schools, taking control of the district from voters and their elected school board and turning it over to a business manager.
Ohioans rejected his plan to curb collective bargaining for public employees in 2011. Still, he’s privatized jails, the state’s economic development office and — last year — outlawed union rights for health care workers. He shifted money away from public school districts to quadruple the number of private school vouchers and increased aid to nonunionized charter schools.
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Post by: Dos Equis on March 03, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Behind closed doors, his staff worked with business leaders in Youngstown to orchestrate a takeover of the public schools, taking control of the district from voters and their elected school board and turning it over to a business manager.
Ohioans rejected his plan to curb collective bargaining for public employees in 2011. Still, he’s privatized jails, the state’s economic development office and — last year — outlawed union rights for health care workers. He shifted money away from public school districts to quadruple the number of private school vouchers and increased aid to nonunionized charter schools.

Are you saying he didn't actually make the proposal?

What about this:   he "expanded Medicaid against the will of his party and to the pleasure of President Barack Obama."
Title: Re: NY Times: Cruz and Rubio are not hispanic
Post by: Las Vegas on March 03, 2016, 10:19:20 AM
They're neo-cons.  They've infiltrated the whole mess.  Almost the entirety of both sides, and including a full 100% of the media.

It is drawing us toward a one-world power which will lock humanity on this earth into doom.  All signs point to that.