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Carrier Air Conditioning announced this week its shipping 1,400 jobs to Mexico, and the reaction of a room full of employees when they learned the news was caught on camera.
The crowd immediately erupts in shouts and boos. Thats why you brought all those motherfuckers here! one man shouts.
Listen, weve got, Ive got information thats important to share as a part of transition, the speaker continues. If we could go ahead, if you dont want to hear it other people do, so lets quiet down. Thank you very much.
We also intend to relocate the distribution center from Indianapolis as well, he continued. Relocating our operations to Monterrey will allow us to maintain high levels of product quality
Why would we care? a man interjects.
At competitive prices, and continue to serve the extremely price sensitive market place, the speaker says, as people are heard yelling and exclaiming in the background. I want to be clear, this is a strictly business decision.
At that many laugh and continue to boo the speaker. Once again, lets please get, more information to share, he says. And by no means reflects the performance of this facility or any individual within it.
The transition will not begin until mid-2017 and will take place over three years. The speaker ensured the crowd theyll discuss the plan with the employees union representatives.
Through all the transition, we must remain committed to manufacturing the same high-quality products, he says, to which someone yells loudly: Fuck you!
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/12/employees-react-to-news-1400-jobs-are-leaving-the-country-video/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/12/employees-react-to-news-1400-jobs-are-leaving-the-country-video/)
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Look at that crowd of losers. Does anyone truly believe they're worth $23/hour and that a Mexican can't do the job as good or better for $23/day?
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Carrier has been here forever. I have been inside numerous times and know several people that work there. I know I will get flamed for this but union plants are too damn expensive to run. People getting paid $30+ an hour to push brooms and drive forklifts and watch an assembly line. Not saying some in that plant do not deserve that wage and even more. But we keep losing these businesses to non-union workers in other countries. My 2 cents.
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Wow...that's one brave Applebee talking a group of angry brews to shut up.....sort of like an overseer cracking a whip in the field.
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And so the American middle class continues to shrink... I'm sure this won't impact the bonuses of the executives though
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
Well said!
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
doesn't matter. corporate greed demands slave labor.
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"Greedy union people" don't get it, but neither do most who post in this forum. The USA is finished. It's an 80% service based economy and manufacturing is gone, that's why it's failing. It only gets worse from here... MUCH worse. Social upheaval and food riots are right around the corner. You'd better get prepared for it.
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When unions are not willing to budge or relent then this is what happens and, arguably, should happen.
If the state comes in and saves these businesses you end up with the big problem with communist economies -- there is no incentive to actually run a business well!
It is a shame, but what's the whole story? Were the people willing to take wage cuts? Was the union leadership willing to compromise at all?
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Watch Corporate America Turn A Room Full Of Workers Into Bernie Sanders Supporters.
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A big portion of these jobs had already moved to china, I used to work in the HVAC field and have visited the mega factory in China where Carrier manufactures.
Surprised there were any jobs at all left in the US :/
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When unions are not willing to budge or relent then this is what happens and, arguably, should happen.
If the state comes in and saves these businesses you end up with the big problem with communist economies -- there is no incentive to actually run a business well!
It is a shame, but what's the whole story? Were the people willing to take wage cuts? Was the union leadership willing to compromise at all?
Are you going to work for less than a Mexican? Then you still have EPA. DNR, OSHA, etc. regulations here. Doesn't matter what these people would work for, it will still be too much.
Believe it or not a lot of jobs are going to Canada. Wages there can be higher, but with the national healthcare and tax incentives, still cheaper.
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Watch Corporate America Turn A Room Full Of Workers Into Bernie Sanders Supporters.
They probably always voted what the Union dictated espoused -- democrat I'd guess.
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Are you going to work for less than a Mexican? Then you still have EPA. DNR, OSHA, etc. regulations here. Doesn't matter what these people would work for, it will still be too much.
Believe it or not a lot of jobs are going to Canada. Wages there can be higher, but with the national healthcare and tax incentives, still cheaper.
I wouldn't expect them to work for that much less, but it's more complex than that. A business incurs a lot of expense (more than $) to move from domestic to overseas so the workers almost assuredly would not "need" to drop their wages to developing nation standards. But nobody is arguing for this and certainly not what I intimated.
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I wouldn't expect them to work for that much less, but it's more complex than that. A business incurs a lot of expense (more than $) to move from domestic to overseas so the workers almost assuredly would not "need" to drop their wages to developing nation standards. But nobody is arguing for this and certainly not what I intimated.
Well said. I agree, many cost factors to consider.
Unfortunately, it's a very difficult time for manufacturing in the USA
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Hillary and the Republicans (except Ron and Rand Paul) supports jobs shipping to China and Mexico as she supports TPP trade deal.
Bernie STRONGLY opposes all trade agreements which ship any job overseas.
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Lol at using the words "high quality" and "Mexico" in the same sentence.
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Some workers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/mgm-to-charge-for-valet-parking-use-contract-workers
MGM Valet parkers who didn't unionize are now being turned into contract workers by force. The parkers at MGM properties that are union are getting a much better deal.
Then you have carrier where they did unionize and the wages and rules got out of control.
Moral of the story is work hard and expect the worst. Oh and boycott MGM and Carrier.
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Look at that crowd of losers. Does anyone truly believe they're worth $23/hour and that a Mexican can't do the job as good or better for $23/day?
Yes. Having been to Mexico many times and seen the quality of their production, from many different industries, I can say that the Mexican products are not nearly as high quality as when they were made in the US.
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doesn't matter. corporate greed demands slave labor.
The slave laborers should get smarter
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Look at that crowd of losers. Does anyone truly believe they're worth $23/hour and that a Mexican can't do the job as good or better for $23/day?
Yes. Electrolux made great refrigerators. Then they closed the Greenville, Mi. plant and moved it to Mexico. Now their product is crap. Ask any repair man, Electrolux is now creating jobs. For refrigerator repairmen.
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Yes. Electrolux made great refrigerators. Then they closed the Greenville, Mi. plant and moved it to Mexico. Now their product is crap. Ask any repair man, Electrolux is now creating jobs. For refrigerator repairmen.
Would not be surprised if they were both partners... But everything sadly ends up lower quality after reputation is made or the business gets sold to someone who takes away everything good to make more profit.
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Yes. Having been to Mexico many times and seen the quality of their production, from many different industries, I can say that the Mexican products are not nearly as high quality as when they were made in the US.
Very true.
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Hillary and the Republicans (except Ron and Rand Paul) supports jobs shipping to China and Mexico as she supports TPP trade deal.
Bernie STRONGLY opposes all trade agreements which ship any job overseas.
But is he pro-union?
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Gm is starting to make Cadillac hybrid in China. Ford is making some cars in Mexico. The reason we can't manufacture anything in the US is because of slave wages in other countries. The US economy is going to collapse if manufacturing isn't improved in America. Jobs in the service sector can't maintain the economy.
Think of this. A can opener factory will employ truck drivers, secretaries, security guards, factory workers, management, accountants and others. You say who would want to work in a can opener factory? When I was young men working in factories owned cars, had a house and supported his wife and kids. This type manufacturing is completely gone in the US.
What needs to be done is there has to be a heavy tariff on imported goods coming into the US so American workers don't have to compete with slave wages in foreign countries.
Don't believe the lies about the employment numbers coming out of Washington. They are counting part time jobs and the incredible amount of low paying jobs. They refuse to include in the spin of fantastic employment numbers those who ran out of unemployment who just can't find a job anywhere.
The massive amount of people living on social security disability is becoming the go to option for those who have just given up trying to get work and game the system to get government assistance without the stigma of welfare.
This is a country living on credit with mounting debt that will sink us into a depression that will make the first one seem like a joke.
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Gm is starting to make Cadillac hybrid in China. Ford is making some cars in Mexico. The reason we can't manufacture anything in the US is because of slave wages in other countries. The US economy is going to collapse if manufacturing isn't improved in America. Jobs in the service sector can't maintain the economy.
Think of this. A can opener factory will employ truck drivers, secretaries, security guards, factory workers, management, accountants and others. You say who would want to work in a can opener factory? When I was young men working in factories owned cars, had a house and supported his wife and kids. This type manufacturing is completely gone in the US.
What needs to be done is there has to be a heavy tariff on imported goods coming into the US so American workers don't have to compete with slave wages in foreign countries.
Don't believe the lies about the employment numbers coming out of Washington. They are counting part time jobs and the incredible amount of low paying jobs. They refuse to include in the spin of fantastic employment numbers those who ran out of unemployment who just can't find a job anywhere.
The massive amount of people living on social security disability is becoming the go to option for those who have just given up trying to get work and game the system to get government assistance without the stigma of welfare.
This is a country living on credit with mounting debt that will sink us into a depression that will make the first one seem like a joke.
When it comes to this issue, BERNIE SANDERS is the ONLY one correct. No other Democrat or Republican ever has come close.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm
Bernie Sanders on Free Trade
Socialist Jr Senator; previously Representative (VT-At-Large)
Does not support ANY free trade agreements
Q: What do you think about the new TPP trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
SANDERS: I voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China. I think they have been a disaster for the American worker. A lot of corporations that shut down here move abroad. Working people understand that after NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. Since 2001, 60,000 factories in America have been shut down. We're in a race to the bottom, where our wages are going down. Is all of that attributable to trade? No. Is a lot of it? Yes. TPP was written by corporate America and the pharmaceutical industry and Wall Street. That's what this trade agreement is about. I do not want American workers to competing against people in Vietnam who make 56 cents an hour for a minimum wage.
Q: So basically, there's never been a single trade agreement this country's negotiated that you've been comfortable with?
SANDERS: That's correct.
Source: Meet the Press 2015 interview moderated by Chuck Todd , Oct 11, 2015
China trade has led to loss of 3M American jobs so far
Q: What does Bernie's track record look like with regard to Chinese trade policy?
A: Time and time again, Bernie has voted against free trade deals with China. In 1999, Bernie voted in the House against granting China "Most Favored Nation" status. In 2000, Bernie voted against Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China which aimed to create jobs, but instead lead to the loss of more than 3 million jobs for Americans.
Q: Maybe these trade agreements aren't all great for Americans, but don't they provide millions of jobs for Chinese workers?
A: Bernie firmly rejects the idea that America's standard of living must drop in order to see a raise in the standard of living in China.
Q: So what does Bernie propose we do?
A: Instead of passing such trade deals again and again, Bernie argues we must "develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad."
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website FeelTheBern.org, "Issues" , Sep 5, 2015
Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers
Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first.
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website FeelTheBern.org, "Issues" , Sep 5, 2015
Base trade policy on working families, not multinationals
Q: The president says that expanding trade helps service industries & opens new markets. You talk about workers that would lose their job from trade. They say this will open up markets that will increase jobs.
SANDERS: I have been hearing that argument for the last 25 years. I heard it about NAFTA. I heard it about CAFTA. I heard it about permanent normal trade relations with China. Here is the fact. Since 2001, we have lost almost 60,000 factories and millions of good-paying jobs. I'm not saying trade is the only reason, but it is a significant reason why Americans are working longer hours for low wages and why we are seeing our jobs go to China and other low-wage countries. And, finally, what you're seeing in Congress are Democrats and some Republicans beginning to stand up and say, maybe we should have a trade policy which represents the working families of this country, that rebuilds our manufacturing base, not than just representing the CEOs of large multinational corporations.
Source: CBS Face the Nation 2015 coverage:2016 presidential hopefuls , Jun 14, 2015
Wrong, wrong, wrong that trade deals create jobs here
Q: As secretary of state, Clinton said she favored a trade deal with our 11 Pacific partners & fast track authority to make that happen. Is that an issue for you?
SANDERS: In the House and Senate, I voted against all of these terrible trade agreements, NAFTA, CAFTA, permanent normal trades relations with China. Republicans and Democrats, they say, "oh, we'll create all these jobs by having a trade agreement with China." Well, the answer is, they were wrong, wrong, wrong. Over the years, we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. These trade agreements have forced wages down in America so the average worker in America today is working longer hours for lower wages.
Q: So, is that a litmus test for you, to see whether or not Clinton is going to come out against the TPP?
SANDERS: I hope very much the secretary comes out against it. I think we do not need to send more jobs to low wage countries. I think corporate America has to start investing in this country and create decent paying jobs here.
Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Apr 19, 2015
End disastrous NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China
Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.) which enable corporate America to shut down plants in this country and move to China and other low-wage countries. We need to end the race to the bottom and develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad.
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website, BernieSanders.com , Mar 21, 2015
Stop TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership
Trade Policies that Benefit American Workers:
Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.) which enable corporate America to shut down plants in this country and move to China and other low-wage countries. We need to end the race to the bottom and develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad.
[We should also] sign the petition to stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership--another trade deal disaster.
Source: 12 Steps Forward, by Sen. Bernie Sanders , Jan 15, 2015
US trade policies represent interests of corporate America
I am certainly not a big fan of Bill Clinton's politics. As a strong advocate of a single-payer health care system, I opposed his convoluted health care reform package. I have helped lead the opposition to his trade policies, which represent the interests of corporate America and which are virtually indistinguishable from the views of George Bush and Newt Gingrich. I opposed his bloated military budget, the welfare reform bill that he signed, and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which he supported. He has been weak on campaign finance reform and has caved in far too often on the environment. Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I'm a democratic socialist.
Yet, without enthusiasm, I've decided to support Bill Clinton for president. If Bob Dole were to be elected president, there would be an unparalleled war against working people.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p. 24 , Jun 17, 1997
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Agreed with Ross Perot's critique of trade policy
Although I agree with his critique of American trade policy and his opposition to NAFTA, I am no great fan of Ross Perot. There's no way he would be a major political leader if he weren't a billionaire. But I think that he is getting a bum rap from the media when they refer to his half-hour speeches as "infomericals" and make fun of his use of charts. Instead of putting 30-second attack ads on the air, he is trying to seriously discuss some of the most important issues facing the country. You may not agree with his analysis or his conclusions, but at least he's treating the American people with some respect. What's wrong with that?
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.168 , Jun 17, 1997
NAFTA was a sellout to corporate America
At the very same time as health care was on the congressional agenda. Clinton pushed another issue to the forefront. And on the major initiative, Clinton was just plain wrong--very wrong. His support for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was a sellout to corporate America. Pure and simple, it was a disaster for the working people of this country.
The US currently has a trade deficit of $114 billion. Economists tell us that $1 billion of investment equates to about 18,000 (often decent-paying) jobs. Connect the dots. Our current trade deficit is causing the loss of over 2 million jobs. Over the last 20 years, while the US has run up over a trillion dollars in trade deficits, millions of American workers have been thrown into the streets.
The function of trade agreements like NAFTA is to make it easier for American companies to move abroad, and to force our workers to compete against desperate people in the Third World.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.179-80 , Jun 17, 1997
NAFTA, GATT, and MFN for China must be repealed
What about the hemorrhage of jobs abroad? Can we do anything about the disastrous effects of the global economy on American workers? According to the experts, no. But the experts echo the message their employers want us to hear.
We need to address the issue of trade forthrightly and understand that our current trade policy is an unmitigated disaster. Our current record-breaking merchandise trade deficit of $112 billion is costing us over 2 million decent paying jobs. NAFTA, GATT, and Most Favored Nation status with China must be repealed, and a new trade policy developed.
Let's look at some of the components of a sensible trade policy. First, we must recognize that trade is not an end in itself. The function of American trade policy must be to improve the standard of living of the American people. America's trade policy must be radically changed, by committing ourselves to a "fair" rather than "free" trade policy.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.237 , Jun 17, 1997
Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru.
Approves the Agreement entered into with the government of Peru. Provides for the Agreement's entry into force upon certain conditions being met on or after January 1, 2008. Prescribes requirements for:
enforcement of textile and apparel rules of origin;
certain textile and apparel safeguard measures; and
enforcement of export laws governing trade of timber products from Peru.
Proponents support voting YES because:
Rep. RANGEL: It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that we can create jobs without trade. I had the opportunity to travel to Peru recently. I saw firsthand how important this agreement is to Peru and how this agreement will strengthen an important ally of ours in that region. Peru is resisting the efforts of Venezuela's authoritarian President Hugo Chavez to wage a war of words and ideas in Latin America against the US. Congress should acknowledge the support of the people of Peru and pass this legislation by a strong margin.
Opponents recommend voting NO because:
Rep. WU: I regret that I cannot vote for this bill tonight because it does not put human rights on an equal footing with environmental and labor protections.
Rep. KILDEE: All trade agreements suffer from the same fundamental flaw: They are not self-enforcing. Trade agreements depend upon vigorous enforcement, which requires official complaints be made when violations occur. I have no faith in President Bush to show any enthusiasm to enforce this agreement. Congress should not hand this administration yet another trade agreement because past agreements have been more efficient at exporting jobs than goods and services. I appeal to all Members of Congress to vote NO on this. But I appeal especially to my fellow Democrats not to turn their backs on those American workers who suffer from the export of their jobs. They want a paycheck, not an unemployment check.
Reference: Peru Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act; Bill H.R. 3688 ; vote number 2007-413 on Dec 4, 2007
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade.
To implement the Dominican Republic-Central America-United States Free Trade Agreement. A vote of YES would:
Progressively eliminate customs duties on all originating goods traded among the participating nations
Preserve U.S. duties on imports of sugar goods over a certain quota
Remove duties on textile and apparel goods traded among participating nations
Prohibit export subsidies for agricultural goods traded among participating nations
Provide for cooperation among participating nations on customs laws and import licensing procedures
Encourage each participating nation to adopt and enforce laws ensuring high levels of sanitation and environmental protection
Recommend that each participating nation uphold the International Labor Organization Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work
Urge each participating nation to obey various international agreements regarding intellectual property rights
Reference: CAFTA Implementation Bill; Bill HR 3045 ; vote number 2005-443 on Jul 28, 2005
Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement.
United States-Australia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act: implementing free trade with protections for the domestic textile and apparel industries.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Rep Tom DeLay [R, TX-22]; Bill H.R.4759 ; vote number 2004-375 on Jul 14, 2004
Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement.
Vote to pass a bill that would put into effect a trade agreement between the United States and Singapore. The trade agreement would reduce tariffs and trade barriers between the United States and Singapore. The agreement would remove tariffs on goods and duties on textiles, and open markets for services The agreement would also establish intellectual property, environmental and labor standards.
Reference: US-Singapore Free Trade Agreement; Bill HR 2739 ; vote number 2003-432 on Jul 24, 2003
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile.
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act: Vote to pass a bill that would put into effect a trade agreement between the US and Chile. The agreement would reduce tariffs and trade barriers between the US and Chile. The trade pact would decrease duties and tariffs on agricultural and textile products. It would also open markets for services. The trade pact would establish intellectual property safeguards and would call for enforcement of environmental and labor standards.
Reference: Bill sponsored by DeLay, R-TX; Bill HR 2738 ; vote number 2003-436 on Jul 24, 2003
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO.
Vote on withdrawing Congressional approval from the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization [WTO].
Reference: Resolution sponsored by Paul, R-TX; Bill H J Res 90 ; vote number 2000-310 on Jun 21, 2000
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements.
Vote to establish negotiating objectives for trade agreements between the United States and foreign countries and renew 'fast track' authority for the President.
Reference: Bill introduced by Archer, R-TX.; Bill HR 2621 ; vote number 1998-466 on Sep 25, 1998
Rated 33% by CATO, indicating a mixed record on trade issues.
Sanders scores 33% by CATO on senior issues
The mission of the Cato Institute Center for Trade Policy Studies is to increase public understanding of the benefits of free trade and the costs of protectionism.
The Cato Trade Center focuses not only on U.S. protectionism, but also on trade barriers around the world. Cato scholars examine how the negotiation of multilateral, regional, and bilateral trade agreements can reduce trade barriers and provide institutional support for open markets. Not all trade agreements, however, lead to genuine liberalization. In this regard, Trade Center studies scrutinize whether purportedly market-opening accords actually seek to dictate marketplace results, or increase bureaucratic interference in the economy as a condition of market access.
Studies by Cato Trade Center scholars show that the United States is most effective in encouraging open markets abroad when it leads by example. The relative openness and consequent strength of the U.S. economy already lend powerful support to the worldwide trend toward embracing open markets. Consistent adherence by the United States to free trade principles would give this trend even greater momentum. Thus, Cato scholars have found that unilateral liberalization supports rather than undermines productive trade negotiations.
Scholars at the Cato Trade Center aim at nothing less than changing the terms of the trade policy debate: away from the current mercantilist preoccupation with trade balances, and toward a recognition that open markets are their own reward.
The following ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.
Source: CATO website 02n-CATO on Dec 31, 2002
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy.
Sanders co-sponsored extending trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy
A joint resolution approving the renewal of import restrictions contained in the Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003. The original act sanctioned the ruling military junta, and recognized the National League of Democracy as the legitimate representative of the Burmese people.
Legislative Outcome: Related bills: H.J.RES.44, H.J.RES.93, S.J.RES.41; became Public Law 110-52.
Source: S.J.RES.16 07-SJR16 on Jun 14, 2007
Review free trade agreements biennially for rights violation.
Sanders signed H.R.3012
Trade Reform, Accountability, Development, and Employment Act or the TRADE Act:
review biennially certain free trade agreements (including Uruguay Round Agreements) between the US and foreign countries to evaluate their economic, environmental, national security, health, safety, and other effects; and
report on them to the Congressional Trade Agreement Review Committee (established by this Act), including analyses of specified aspects of each agreement and certain information about agreement parties, such as whether the country has a democratic form of government, respects certain core labor rights and fundamental human rights, protects intellectual property rights, and enforces environmental laws.
Declares that implementing bills of new trade agreements shall not be subject to expedited consideration or special procedures limiting amendment, unless such agreements include certain standards with respect to:
labor;
human rights;
environment and public safety;
food and product health and safety;
provision of services;
investment;
procurement;
intellectual property;
agriculture;
trade remedies and safeguards;
dispute resolution and enforcement;
technical assistance;
national security; and
taxation.
Requires the President to submit to Congress a plan for the renegotiation of existing trade agreements to bring them into compliance with such standards. Expresses the sense of Congress that certain processes for U.S. trade negotiations should be followed when Congress considers legislation providing special procedures for implementing bills of trade agreements.
Source: TRADE Act 09-HR3012 on Jun 24, 2009
Impose tariffs against countries which manipulate currency.
Sanders signed Currency Reform for Fair Trade Act
Amends the Tariff Act of 1930 to include as a "countervailable subsidy" requiring action under a countervailing duty or antidumping duty proceeding the benefit conferred on merchandise imported into the US from foreign countries with fundamentally undervalued currency.
Defines "benefit conferred" as the difference between:
the amount of currency provided by a foreign country in which the subject merchandise is produced; and
the amount of currency such country would have provided if the real effective exchange rate of its currency were not fundamentally undervalued.
Determines that the currency of a foreign country is fundamentally undervalued if for an 18-month period:
the government of the country engages in protracted, large-scale intervention in one or more foreign exchange markets
the country's real effective exchange rate is undervalued by at least 5%
the country has experienced significant and persistent global current account surpluses; and
the country's government has foreign asset reserves exceeding the amount necessary to repay all its debt obligations.
[Explanatory note from Wikipedia.com "Exchange Rate"]:
Between 1994 and 2005, the Chinese yuan renminbi was pegged to the US dollar at RMB 8.28 to $1. Countries may gain an advantage in international trade if they manipulate the value of their currency by artificially keeping its value low. It is argued that China has succeeded in doing this over a long period of time. However, a 2005 appreciation of the Yuan by 22% was followed by a 39% increase in Chinese imports to the US. In 2010, other nations, including Japan & Brazil, attempted to devalue their currency in the hopes of subsidizing cheap exports and bolstering their ailing economies. A low exchange rate lowers the price of a country's goods for consumers in other countries but raises the price of imported goods for consumers in the manipulating country.
Source: HR.639&S.328 11-S0328 on Feb 14, 2011
Paperback: Ron Paul
vs. Barack Obama
On The Issues
No MFN for China; condition trade on human rights.
Sanders adopted the Progressive Caucus Position Paper:
The Progressive Caucus opposes awarding China permanent Most Favored Nation trading status at this time. We believe that it would be a serious setback for the protection and expansion of worker rights, human rights and religious rights. We also believe it will harm the US economy. We favor continuing to review on an annual basis Chinas trading status, and we believe it is both legal and consistent with US WTO obligations to do so. The Progressive Caucus believes that trade relations with the US should be conditioned on the protection of worker rights, human rights and religious rights. If Congress gives China permanent MFN status, the US will lose the best leverage we have to influence China to enact those rights and protections. At the current time, the US buys about 40% of Chinas exports, making it a consumer with a lot of potential clout. So long as the US annually continues to review Chinas trade status, we have the ability to debate achievement of basic worker and human rights and to condition access to the US market on the achievement of gains in worker and human rights, if necessary. But once China is given permanent MFN, it permanently receives unconditional access to the US market and we lose that leverage. China will be free to attract multinational capital on the promise of super low wages, unsafe workplace conditions and prison labor and permanent access to the US market.
Furthermore, giving China permanent MFN will be harmful to the US economy, since the record trade deficit with China (and attendant problems such as loss of US jobs, and lower average wages in the US) will worsen. For 1999, the trade deficit is likely to be nearly $70 billion. Once China is awarded permanent MFN and WTO membership, the trade deficit will worsen.
Source: CPC Position Paper: Trade With China 99-CPC1 on Nov 11, 1999
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Bernie Sanders seems to be The Wise Choice for Ye Pitiful Amerikans!!...My Humble Who-Gives-a-Fuck-Opinion... ;D ;D
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Carriers workers are separated into a two-tier wage system. A quarter of the workers make about $14 an hour, or about $30,000 a year. The rest make about $26 an hour, or about $55,000, but make well above $70,000 a year with overtime, Jones said.
So, 75 percent of the workers make between $55,000 and $70,000 a year.
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you clowns realize that Obumo' said the exact same things in 2008 ...
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Listen, if these jobs come back here it will be robots performing those tasks. Do we outlaw robotics, too? The real answer to the problem is light taxation and regulation which will allow new industries to flourish.
People predicted the same end of the world scenario 100 years ago when farm machinery replaced workers. Since then, the population has quadrupled and the average "poor" person in the United States weighs more than any Mr. O. competitor.
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I would consider myself pretty pro Union but I even realize these guys have to pick better leadership who are willing to work with management to some degree.
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Unions artificially inflate wages. This can work in areas like construction where you're not as exposed to foreign competition, not so much so in industries where a company can just pick up and move.
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Goodrum spotted at Carrier meeting.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2530480.1455358353!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/article-carrier-2-0212.jpg)
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If voting could change anything they wouldn't let us - Mark Twain
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Lol at using the words "high quality" and "Mexico" in the same sentence.
great boxing gloves
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Would not be surprised if they were both partners... But everything sadly ends up lower quality after reputation is made or the business gets sold to someone who takes away everything good to make more profit.
japs moving production to america
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If voting could change anything they wouldn't let us - Mark Twain
QFT
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QFT
its 2016 most people still cant grasp lobbying>voting
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You want to race to the bottom, then water is where it's at. People need it, so you make them work for it. Bread is the bonus.
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
even if unions had no power at all, there are no way American wages can match Chinese wages, including for engineers.
America has to create innovate products with high quality. Only if that happens the wage question is relevant.
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even if unions had no power at all, there are no way American wages can match Chinese wages, including for engineers.
America has to create innovate products with high quality. Only if that happens the wage question is relevant.
china has no sense of innovation
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"Greedy union people" don't get it, but neither do most who post in this forum. The USA is finished. It's an 80% service based economy and manufacturing is gone, that's why it's failing. It only gets worse from here... MUCH worse. Social upheaval and food riots are right around the corner. You'd better get prepared for it.
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This is just preparation for in 20 years when all manufacturing becomes automated by computers and robots. All unskilled workers will be out of work until they go back to school or learn a new skill that has market value. It's just the way it is. The world is changing and it sucks that this happens all the time now, but it's just the way things are. Gotta live with it. The economy is going to crash so hard soon anyways.
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Perot tried warning us about NAFTA and GAT but no one listened.
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Perot tried warning us about NAFTA and GAT but no one listened.
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Bernie Sanders was the one who warned Perot and everyone else. The man literally spent DAYS,WEEKS,MONTHS and YEARS trying to educate everyone about NAFTA and what would happen. Notice how empty congress is. I will list a few but they are all good. If you want to watch hundreds of them here is a link: [ Invalid YouTube link ]bernie+sanders+nafta
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Who is the man who will work to CORRECT ALL THIS?
???
:D
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So Ross Perot was/is against all this, too?
Yeah, I see he was/is. He was just too early with the message, because the damage hadn't been done.
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So Ross Perot was/is against all this, too?
Yeah, I see he was/is. He was just too early with the message, because the damage hadn't been done.
He wanted to keep manufacturing in the US.
Also wanted a temporary (5 yr, IIRC) $0.50/Gal national gas tax to balance the budget. He argued that 5 years of pain would be worth our children not having to deal with the debt.
Al Gore argued that a 'lock box' would save Social Security. Also argued that Social Security funds should have been removed from budget equations. I could never trust someone who voted against tort reform.
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I gave a presentation on this very topic during my PhD. The thing is, it does not stop at just cheaper labor... There are a ton of incentives for companies to manufacture overseas, tax benefits, resourcefulness, geo-locations of partner facilities , vendors etc., licenses and certifications laws, manpower, availability of raw material, the list goes on and on
Steve Jobs point blank told President Obama, production of the iPhone IS NEVER coming back to the US.... No matter how bad anyone wants it to, it will never happen!
Motorola thought they could make it happen and assemble their devices in Texas... Well, that didn't last very long: http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/30/motorola-texas-plant-shutdown/
The foundation for manufacturing in the US is just not structurally fit, it would take some truly radical changes to even make it a thought, but we are so far far away.
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The foundation for manufacturing in the US is just not structurally fit, it would take some truly radical changes to even make it a thought, but we are so far far away.
yes .. changes to corporate greed...
USA needs a salary cap... PERIOD
http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-continues-to-rise/
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I gave a presentation on this very topic during my PhD. The thing is, it does not stop at just cheaper labor... There are a ton of incentives for companies to manufacture overseas, tax benefits, resourcefulness, geo-locations of partner facilities , vendors etc., licenses and certifications laws, manpower, availability of raw material, the list goes on and on
Steve Jobs point blank told President Obama, production of the iPhone IS NEVER coming back to the US.... No matter how bad anyone wants it to, it will never happen!
Motorola thought they could make it happen and assemble their devices in Texas... Well, that didn't last very long: http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/30/motorola-texas-plant-shutdown/
The foundation for manufacturing in the US is just not structurally fit, it would take some truly radical changes to even make it a thought, but we are so far far away.
That is interesting because Bernie Sanders always talks about all of the above that was in your dissertation and not just cheap labor etc... Its a multi-faceted problem that requires strict regulation and Republicans don't want to do anything at all about. I don't think Hillary does either as her husband is directly responsible for a lot of it.
On the other hand, Bernie Sanders knows the issue inside and out and does have the real solutions to this issue.
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How did I guess this would end up with wealth redistribution?
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How did I guess this would end up with wealth redistribution?
Because those that demand equality only do so with those they think are "above" them.
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How did I guess this would end up with wealth redistribution?
Shouldn't Bernie be happy about wealth being redistributed from overpaid Union workers to poor Mexicans?
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The owners are Globalist. If the union broke up tomorrow, they'd still move their business.
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Shouldn't Bernie be happy about wealth being redistributed from overpaid Union workers to poor Mexicans?
Bernie is a strong Nationalist when it comes to United States Manufacturing.
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Shouldn't Bernie be happy about wealth being redistributed from overpaid Union workers to poor Mexicans?
We've been redistributing wealth to India, China, Mexico, and a bunch of other countries for years. Why hasn't that solved everything?!
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I gave a presentation on this very topic during my PhD. The thing is, it does not stop at just cheaper labor... There are a ton of incentives for companies to manufacture overseas, tax benefits, resourcefulness, geo-locations of partner facilities , vendors etc., licenses and certifications laws, manpower, availability of raw material, the list goes on and on
Steve Jobs point blank told President Obama, production of the iPhone IS NEVER coming back to the US.... No matter how bad anyone wants it to, it will never happen!
Motorola thought they could make it happen and assemble their devices in Texas... Well, that didn't last very long: http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/30/motorola-texas-plant-shutdown/
The foundation for manufacturing in the US is just not structurally fit, it would take some truly radical changes to even make it a thought, but we are so far far away.
Let's not forget that manufacturing as a whole is never coming back to America because the the housing market. These manufacturing company's can't provide a living wage. You need a roof over you head before anything else...
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We've been redistributing wealth to India, China, Mexico, and a bunch of other countries for years. Why hasn't that solved everything?!
ask Republicans. They seem to love these trade agreements.
The only one to Vote NO on every single one and fillibuster them is Bernie Sanders.
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Let's not forget that manufacturing as a whole is never coming back to America because the the housing market. These manufacturing company's can't provide a living wage. You need a roof over you head before anything else...
They'll come back, but they'll look like this. What's the plan to stop Robots from taking manufacturing jobs?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg.html)
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(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg.html)
Skynet in the making...
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Skynet in the making...
lol
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Bernie is a strong Nationalist when it comes to United States Manufacturing.
You non-stop pushed Obama for president last election cycle Adonis. He has been an unmitigated disaster. I know, it's always the Republican's fault, blah, blah, blah.
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You non-stop pushed Obama for president last election cycle Adonis. He has been an unmitigated disaster. I know, it's always the Republican's fault, blah, blah, blah.
No he hasn't. Where is the disaster. There isn't a single area that is not better than we were 8 years ago. So there is that.
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No he hasn't. Where is the disaster. There isn't a single area that is not better than we were 8 years ago. So there is that.
For example:
"When Mr. Obama took over in January 2009, the total national debt stood at $10.6 trillion."
"Mr. Obamas spending agreement with Congress will suspend the nations debt limit and allow the Treasury to borrow another $1.5 trillion or so by the end of his presidency in 2017. Added to the current total national debt of more than $18.15 trillion, the red ink will likely be crowding the $20 trillion mark right around the time Mr. Obama leaves the White House."
Link (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/1/obama-presidency-to-end-with-20-trillion-national-/?page=all)
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No he hasn't. Where is the disaster. There isn't a single area that is not better than we were 8 years ago. So there is that.
This does make me ask.
To the people who say the US is worse.
Where is it worse? There is more debt. But other than that, which would have happened no matter who the President was, where is it worse?
I mean. The debt isn't even that big. Our debt vs. GDP isn't really a huge percentage if you really break it down.
I wish it were lower, but none of the candidates would have changed the number really.
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This does make me ask.
To the people who say the US is worse.
Where is it worse? There is more debt. But other than that, which would have happened no matter who the President was, where is it worse?
I mean. The debt isn't even that big. Our debt vs. GDP isn't really a huge percentage if you really break it down.
I wish it were lower, but none of the candidates would have changed the number really.
Especially when you have to pay for wars.
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Especially when you have to pay for wars.
If I remember correctly, Obama even promised to end the war.
And you don't even have to pay for wars.
If you got something to say you simply end it/them.
But well...
He is just a puppet.
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If I remember correctly, Obama even promised to end the war.
And you don't even have to pay for wars.
If you got something to say you simply end it/them.
But well...
He is just a puppet.
He did get a lot of criticism for not continuing to fight it out with boots on the ground over there. So that's stopping the war.
I mean he's damned if he does and damned if he didn't.
That's why people want to blame him for Isis. We all know that the reality is that leaving Saddam in power would have been the best course of action.
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He did get a lot of criticism for not continuing to fight it out with boots on the ground over there. So that's stopping the war.
I mean he's damned if he does and damned if he didn't.
That's why people want to blame him for Isis. We all know that the reality is that leaving Saddam in power would have been the best course of action.
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He did get a lot of criticism for not continuing to fight it out with boots on the ground over there. So that's stopping the war.
I mean he's damned if he does and damned if he didn't.
That's why people want to blame him for Isis. We all know that the reality is that leaving Saddam in power would have been the best course of action.
In that video, Bernies 5 points predicted everything we are now faced with today.
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In that video, Bernies 5 points predicted everything we are now faced with today.
Now doubt Bernie claimed much of what we see today was going to happen.
I did like his statement about thinking about the future and the consequences of actions. Not just thinking about today.
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Even if quality is not as good in a cheaper country it doesn't matter. Price wins too often in the majority of industries.
If 100 people can fly from one destination to another on a airline for 60% of what another charges even without all the extras, the majority will take it. Enough will be stupid and complain it wasn't good enough but will still do it again.
In this case even if their quality isn't as good they can either be price competitive or make it up by selling less units but the profits are higher.
Unions have positives but just blindly pushing for more wages just fucks things up in the end. Most people can't think long term and see what will happen. Especially for unskilled labor it's just fucking stupid. If someone isn't making enough in an unskilled job then do it until you have the experience and move up or somewhere else paying more. That's how it works in China and that's how it should work.
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reminds me of another company that expanded into foreign lands... workers didn't like the management team the company sent in to lead them....so they simply hung the team on the flagpoles outside the building. :o :o :o :o :o
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No matter who is president the US is FUBAR. The government/politicians/media lie about everything. US jobs are never coming back.
- 100 million unemployed. The real unemployment number in the US is 25-30%, not 4.9%
- 50 million on food/EBT cards
- $1.3 trillion dollars of student debt out there.
- Banks loaded with trillions in derivatives, which will collapse the entire financial system at some point.
2016 will be a very bad year for the US and every other county... not because of Niburu or some other asinine shit like that, there is going to be a total financial/economic system collapse. It cannot be stopped or prevented and it's definitely not fixable. Stock up on water, food, supplies, ammo and gold/silver if you can afford it. Do it now while these things are still available.
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With regard to overpopulation, unemployment and the resultant unending welfare - If you are paid to lay around the apartment and mate then as ridiculous as it sounds, that's your job.
The Democratic wrought "Great Society" brought this mess upon us.
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They'll come back, but they'll look like this. What's the plan to stop Robots from taking manufacturing jobs?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/B0BF9453-50E6-45D1-A488-6AAE1557890E_zps6w346zqd.jpg.html)
Send in Marty Falcon to fight the robots
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Especially when you have to pay for wars.
I always laugh when politicians say that our military's equipment is junk. And that we're using equipment from the 1970's. lol. Ya right. Even when the military budget is cut, the money going into military spending is bigger than just about all the countries of the world combined.
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Wow...that's one brave Applebee talking a group of angry brews to shut up.....sort of like an overseer cracking a whip in the field.
What's an applebee?
I didn't see any bees in the video?
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What's an applebee?
I didn't see any bees in the video?
An applebee is a person that dines at Applebee's
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greedy unions. this is also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.
who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs
but these greedy union people just don't get it
This is a ridiculous statement....businesses are NOT paying their fair share of taxes...they are taking advantage of teh NAFTA agreement signed by President clinton and trying to fatten the bottom line,,,,,which is uinderstandable...has nothing to do with taxes or unions
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With regard to overpopulation, unemployment and the resultant unending welfare - If you are paid to lay around the apartment and mate then as ridiculous as it sounds, that's your job.
The Democratic wrought "Great Society" brought this mess upon us.
sounds as if you're angry that you can't lay around and mate all day
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sounds as if you're angry that you can't lay around and mate all day
Now that, that's what I call funny. ;D
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Killer Mike and Bernie Killing it.