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Writing's on the wall. Too much too fast.
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PJ has it all under control.
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its too late for Cody, just save yourselves...
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You guys are being a little harsh aren't you? I think he looks pretty good for a guy in his late 30's...
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He's offseason with a tight waist. Fuck some of you have no idea.
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Delts look syntholed.
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He's offseason with a tight waist. Fuck some of you have no idea.
Arnold is ~2 weeks away, Einstein.
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This is what happens when you take short cuts with insulin.
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'Palumboism'? You're exaggerating...
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'Palumboism'? You're exaggerating...
Key word: "Begins"
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Nothing good comes out of bodybuilding
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Key word: "Begins"
That's just his abdominal structure
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Great job pj
You already fucked over Aaron Clark
Now youve moved on to fucking this kid over
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Writing's on the wall. Too much too fast.
This is a rubbish thread.
The main archetype that we compare to, Palumbo himself wasn't a "too much, too fast" case.
Potential to get a big belly is not what palumboism is. Almost all of the pros have big bellies, yet few suffer from palumboism.
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If anything, Palumboism comes from sheer length of time on anabolics, not too much too fast.
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If anything, Palumboism comes from sheer length of time on anabolics, not too much too fast.
I suspect questionable gh.
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Dude's gut is starting to blow out already. Poor skin complexion, face aging quickly. I can't chalk up limb atrophy yet because it is obviously too early for that, and he's not shredded enough for me to blame the premature aging on team leanface.
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Dude's gut is starting to blow out already. Poor skin complexion, face aging quickly. I can't chalk up limb atrophy yet because it is obviously too early for that, and he's not shredded enough for me to blame the premature aging on team leanface.
decent build,good legs,drawback is his arms.
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He doing the 212's? :D
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He doing the 212's? :D
I know right?
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PJ poops another one out. The turdlet doesn't fall far from the corporate anus.
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PJ poops another one out. The turdlet doesn't fall far from the corporate anus.
Do you have anything positive to say?
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Do you have anything positive to say?
Not about this kid. What, pray tell, is good about this individual? What? How is one supposed to be "positive" about someone as drug built and ignorant as this young man? Shall I damn him with faint praise? Should I sing the praises of PJ and his company for sponsoring such a great athlete?
What I do is no different than others here save that I do it better. So often people make light of the Christ and I could easily (and sometimes do) turn a phrase before turning a cheek. But I digress...
What is good about this manlets physique, his state of mind, his future? Near as one can honestly tell, nothing. As Judge Smails said in "Caddyshack" - "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."
I'm not being negative, rather I am positive that he and his drug built body are worthless. Again, point out something truly worthy about this sort of person. Now point out something truly worthy about his sponsor(s). About the so-called "Industry".
Look, even the HA has a Toy Run at Christmas time but that most assuredly doesn't erase the evil they do.
You desire positive? Bob Paris should have won a few Mr. Olympias. Lee Labrada too. I am quite positive about that. I cannot change the past but neither will I kowtow to the present state of idiocy that is bodybuilding. If I see someone or something that merits praise, I will give it.
Praising mediocrity, lauding cookie-cutter over-drugged look alike bodies is not something a rational, thinking person does.
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Doesn't look palumboed. Looks like a modern day pro.
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What a shame.
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SCOTT, You are one of the few GetBiggers I pay attention to when it comes to reasonable bodybuilding comments and I 'partially' agree with your comments above.
I think what you said is one of the main reasons for the 'establishment' of this new NPC Classic Bodybuilding endeavor.
Based on a brief discussion with other old-timers who are 'bodybuilding educated' based on years of experience, this new breed of Classic Bodybuilders may be led by the likes of contenders such as Sergi Constance (Spain), Calum Vonmoger (Australia), and a small number of other potential greats in this new NPC Classic event that slowly faded away around the early 70's.
In your personal opinion .... do you think that the general public will support this new breed of 'athlete' and will the success of this new Classic Physique event change your opinion about the 'sport' of bodybuilding in general?
I personally think that it will be a bigger success than the majority of GetBiggers think possible.
Include "Physique" in the above statement!
THANKS, SCOTT ..... Stunt
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Do you have anything positive to say?
Anything that is pre-arnold or pre-1970's in general, no, he does not. He is the typical old guy who believes that EVERYTHING was better in his days. Next thing he will be telling us is that medicine was better in the 1950's than it is today. ;D ;D
No offense The Scott, but its true. :D :D
The Scott, what do you think about Shawn Rays physique?
(https://kayvez1996.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/vsw63.jpg)
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SF, There are 'tons' of people who feel the same as SCOTT when it comes to competitive bodybuilding and I do realize that you realize that that is why the NPC and other sanctioning bodies saw the 'handwriting on the wall' and will be very successful with these new events ... Physique and Classic BB.
And while I am ancient enough to agree that some things have gotten better since the good old days, I can honestly tell ya that some things were so much better way back when!
Gas was 28 cents a gallon (max).
Sat morning movie ticket was a dime, 8 cartoons, two serials, and some Three Stooges or Our Gang stuff.
Ice cream, two scoops on a sugar cone was 10 cents.
Cup of coffee was 5 cents.
A three bedroom home was less than $15,000.
10 cents to ride the SF cable car (now $5)
Disneyland pass with ride tickets .... $12 or less?
I think I paid less than $2,500 for my first VW.
College education ... I forget but I paid it and only worked in the post office a couple of hours after classes and had more than enough funds to raise hell on the weekends. I'm gonna guess that a college year was less than $300.
Everything was so damn cheap that only one family member had to go to work.
SO ... In many respects ... things were so much better then!
As far as the game of Bodybuilding ..."Is it better, or is it not? .... that's all within the eyes of the beholder.
And old friend Shawn Ray was one of the best !
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Not about this kid. What, pray tell, is good about this individual? What? How is one supposed to be "positive" about someone as drug built and ignorant as this young man? Shall I damn him with faint praise? Should I sing the praises of PJ and his company for sponsoring such a great athlete?
What I do is no different than others here save that I do it better. So often people make light of the Christ and I could easily (and sometimes do) turn a phrase before turning a cheek. But I digress...
What is good about this manlets physique, his state of mind, his future? Near as one can honestly tell, nothing. As Judge Smails said in "Caddyshack" - "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."
I'm not being negative, rather I am positive that he and his drug built body are worthless. Again, point out something truly worthy about this sort of person. Now point out something truly worthy about his sponsor(s). About the so-called "Industry".
Look, even the HA has a Toy Run at Christmas time but that most assuredly doesn't erase the evil they do.
You desire positive? Bob Paris should have won a few Mr. Olympias. Lee Labrada too. I am quite positive about that. I cannot change the past but neither will I kowtow to the present state of idiocy that is bodybuilding. If I see someone or something that merits praise, I will give it.
Praising mediocrity, lauding cookie-cutter over-drugged look alike bodies is not something a rational, thinking person does.
Looks like I tickled your soul very effectively :D
Interesting that you mention Paris & Labrada, since both of them weren't natural either and speaking of manlets, Lee wasn't quite the tallest. Granted, both were gifted by their genetics and posing skills, more than Cody, but it seems that you're negative about the current generation by default, no matter how talented someone is and no matter how hard someone is working in the gym. Do you believe that's fair?
Anything that is pre-arnold or pre-1970's in general, no, he does not. He is the typical old guy who believes that EVERYTHING was better in his days. Next thing he will be telling us is that medicine was better in the 1950's than it is today. ;D ;D
No offense The Scott, but its true. :D :D
The Scott, what do you think about Shawn Rays physique?
Well, that's the impression I get from our good man The Scott, this 'anything was better in the past thing'. He will always find 'reasons' to criticise 'things of the now', as if everything was perfect in the past ::)
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SF, There are 'tons' of people who feel the same as SCOTT when it comes to competitive bodybuilding and I do realize that you realize that that is why the NPC and other sanctioning bodies saw the 'handwriting on the wall' and will be very successful with these new events ... Physique and Classic BB.
And while I am ancient enough to agree that some things have gotten better since the good old days, I can honestly tell ya that some things were so much better.
Gas was 28 cents a gallon (max).
Sat morning movie ticket was a dime, 8 cartoons, two serials, and some Three Stooges or Our Gang stuff.
Ice cream, two scoops on a sugar cone was 10 cents.
Cup of coffee was 5 cents.
A three bedroom home was less than $15,000.
10 cents to ride the SF cable car (now $5)
Disneyland pass with ride tickets .... $12 or less?
I think I paid less than $2,500 for my first VW.
College education ... I forget but I paid it and only worked in the post office a couple of hours after classes and had more than enough funds to raise hell on the weekends. I'm gonna guess that a college year was less than $300.
Everything was so damn cheap that only one family member had to go to work.
SO ... In many respects ... things were so much better then!
As far as the game of Bodybuilding ... that's all within the eyes of the beholder.
And old friend Shawn Ray was one of the best !
Sure, bodybuilding was better back in the day, but The Scott won't even credit where credit is due because the bodybuilder just happens to be born in a certain era. I mean, I wonder what he will say about Shawn Rays physique because he didn't compete in the 1960's or 1970's. I don't care in what time frame the person competed in. As long as they look good.
(http://pumpingironmag.com/sites/all/images/Shawn-Ray-flexing.JPG)
(http://www.fitmagazin.sk/images/ilustracneObrazky/osobnost2/Shawn_Ray_03.jpg)
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Looks like I tickled your soul very effectively :D
Interesting that you mention Paris & Labrada, since both of them weren't natural either and speaking of manlets, Lee wasn't quite the tallest. Granted, both were gifted by their genetics and posing skills, more than Cody, but it seems that you're negative about the current generation by default, no matter how talented someone is and no matter how hard someone is working in the gym. Do you believe that's fair?
Well, that's the impression I get from our good man The Scott, this 'anything was better in the past thing'. He will always find 'reasons' to criticise 'things of the now', as if everything was perfect in the past ::)
Yes, older people from his generation love to live in the past.
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Why would anyone blame PJ? Does anyone believe Prime Nutrition supplements are responsible for this?
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Gas was 28 cents a gallon (max).
Sat morning movie ticket was a dime, 8 cartoons, two serials, and some Three Stooges or Our Gang stuff.
Ice cream, two scoops on a sugar cone was 10 cents.
Cup of coffee was 5 cents.
A three bedroom home was less than $15,000.
10 cents to ride the SF cable car (now $5)
Disneyland pass with ride tickets .... $12 or less?
I think I paid less than $2,500 for my first VW.
College education ... I forget but I paid it and only worked in the post office a couple of hours after classes and had more than enough funds to raise hell on the weekends. I'm gonna guess that a college year was less than $300.
And so was the average income back then. The current prices are mainly a product of inflation.
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You guys are being a little harsh aren't you? I think he looks pretty good for a guy in his late 30's...
Very punchable face
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SF, There are 'tons' of people who feel the same as SCOTT when it comes to competitive bodybuilding and I do realize that you realize that that is why the NPC and other sanctioning bodies saw the 'handwriting on the wall' and will be very successful with these new events ... Physique and Classic BB.
And while I am ancient enough to agree that some things have gotten better since the good old days, I can honestly tell ya that some things were so much better.
Gas was 28 cents a gallon (max).
Sat morning movie ticket was a dime, 8 cartoons, two serials, and some Three Stooges or Our Gang stuff.
Ice cream, two scoops on a sugar cone was 10 cents.
Cup of coffee was 5 cents.
A three bedroom home was less than $15,000.
10 cents to ride the SF cable car (now $5)
Disneyland pass with ride tickets .... $12 or less?
I think I paid less than $2,500 for my first VW.
College education ... I forget but I paid it and only worked in the post office a couple of hours after classes and had more than enough funds to raise hell on the weekends. I'm gonna guess that a college year was less than $300.
Everything was so damn cheap that only one family member had to go to work.
SO ... In many respects ... things were so much better then!
As far as the game of Bodybuilding ... that's all within the eyes of the beholder.
And old friend Shawn Ray was one of the best !
Yes, cup of coffee was 5 cents, but................
In 1950 the average income per year was $3,210.00 and by 1959 was $5,010.00.
Yes, things cost more now, but people are making a lot more than they did in the 1950s.
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People love to cling onto the "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle
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People love to cling onto the "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle
Yes, Brady Bunch too.
In The Scotts world, that is the ideal world: White, heterosexual, Christian/Catholic.
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And while I am ancient enough to agree that some things have gotten better since the good old days, I can honestly tell ya that some things were so much better.
Everything was so damn cheap that only one family member had to go to work.
SO ... In many respects ... things were so much better then!
As far as the game of Bodybuilding ... that's all within the eyes of the beholder.
And old friend Shawn Ray was one of the best !
Stunt - you are GENUINELY and sincerely one of the most interesting and informative posters here, but I have to respectfully point the obvious out - you mean cheaper, not necessarily better...
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Yes, Brady Bunch too.
In The Scotts world, that is the ideal world: White, heterosexual, Christian/Catholic.
Don't be ridiculous. You know better and yet you state the above.
You really should taste your words prior to spewing them forth upon the world. It's good we get along, eh? ;D
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Stunt - you are GENUINELY and sincerely one of the most interesting and informative posters here, but I have to respectfully point the obvious out - you mean cheaper, not necessarily better...
Also don't forget factors like inflation.
Money was "worth more" back then.
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Don't be ridiculous. You know better and yet you state the above.
You really should taste your words prior to spewing the forth upon the world. It's good we get along, eh? ;D
The Scott, while I was definitely "taking the piss" with you, I do believe that MANY people from your generation do want to return to that specific type of demographic.
MANY people your age see the world changing and it scares them. Holy crap, gay people can get married. THE HORROR!! Black people can sit in the front of the bus!! THE HORROR!!!
ps - please give me an honest assessment of Shawn Rays physique, i.e., does it meet your standards?
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The good o' days
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Looks like I tickled your soul very effectively :D
Interesting that you mention Paris & Labrada, since both of them weren't natural either and speaking of manlets, Lee wasn't quite the tallest. Granted, both were gifted by their genetics and posing skills, more than Cody, but it seems that you're negative about the current generation by default, no matter how talented someone is and no matter how hard someone is working in the gym. Do you believe that's fair?
Well, that's the impression I get from our good man The Scott, this 'anything was better in the past thing'. He will always find 'reasons' to criticise 'things of the now', as if everything was perfect in the past ::)
As with SF, do not be so presumptively absurd about me. ;D I am more than aware that neither were natural. As to being a manlet, that is not entirely the realm of the short of stature but that may not have yet occurred to you, my friend.
But it should have. ;D
As for Shawn Ray? Nice physique. I think Makkawy was better and Padilla a lot better but Ray was fantastic and not just for his "time". Manlet can be more a state of self esteem and self respect or rather, the lack thereof. None of three men I just mentioned are manlets by any means. But that photo of Ray putting eyelash gunk on himself is suspect... ;D
This current generation of bodybuilders is pathetic because quite honestly now more than ever drugs make the man. Or in some cases make the woman a man. Disgusting. It takes no effort to stuff yourself at the pharmacy buffet. None. I have often stated that Arnold is the best ever on drugs and that Reeves and Park are the best naturals of all time. This of course brings the manlets out in droves squeeling about how Reeves and Park were on testosterone.
Were all things better in the days gone by? Nope. Some were, many were not. The typical kneejerk reaction is to bring up segregation and assign that as desirable by people such as I. Ridiculous. Not my problem and for the record I believe there still exist segregated colleges but fortunately for them they are for black people or women and so that form of segregation is sacrosanct. ;D And I could care less but reference it to show that it exists but in a form that is somehow "acceptable"... ;D
I don't have to be "fair". The world is not "fair" and that I despise such as Cody is my right. If he says he thinks I am an idiot, I would simply laugh at him because that would not be (entirely! ;) ) true but conversely if I say that his physique is built on drugs, I would be correct.
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As with SF, do not be so presumptively absurd about me. ;D I am more than aware that neither were natural. As to being a manlet, that is not entirely the realm of the short of stature but that may not have yet occurred to you, my friend.
But it should have. ;D
As for Shawn Ray? Nice physique. I think Makkawy was better and Padilla a lot better but Ray was fantastic and not just for his "time". Manlet can be more a state of self esteem and self respect or rather, the lack thereof. None of three men I just mentioned are manlets by any means. But that photo of Ray putting eyelash gunk on himself is suspect... ;D
This current generation of bodybuilders is pathetic because quite honestly now more than ever drugs make the man. Or in some cases make the woman a man. Disgusting. It takes no effort to stuff yourself at the pharmacy buffet. None. I have often stated that Arnold is the best ever on drugs and that Reeves and Park are the best naturals of all time. This of course brings the manlets out in droves squeeling about how Reeves and Park were on testosterone.
Were all things better in the days gone by? Nope. Some were, many were not. The typical kneejerk reaction is to bring up segregation and assign that as desirable by people such as I. Ridiculous. Not my problem and for the record I believe there still exist segregated colleges but fortunately for them they are for black people or women and so that form of segregation is sacrosanct. ;D And I could care less but reference it to show that it exists but in a form that is somehow "acceptable"... ;D
I don't have to be "fair". The world is not "fair" and that I despise such as Cody is my right. If he says he thinks I am an idiot, I would simply laugh at him because that would not be (entirely! ;) ) true but conversely if I say that his physique is built on drugs, I would be correct.
I have no problem with you thinking other people had better phsyiques than Shawn Ray, because I agree with you. But at least you admit that he had a nice physique, instead of being all like, "UGH, he was not from the 1970's, horrible physique!!"
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The Scott, while I was definitely "taking the piss" with you, I do believe that MANY people from your generation do want to return to that specific type of demographic.
MANY people your age see the world changing and it scares them. Holy crap, gay people can get married. THE HORROR!! Black people can sit in the front of the bus!! THE HORROR!!!
ps - please give me an honest assessment of Shawn Rays physique, i.e., does it meet your standards?
Bbbbut Shawn was black ;D
This might be off-topic (but who cares, this IS Getbig), but it's perfectly understandable that many elderly people have a hard time with this changing world, since we never had a drastic change in such a short time before. People can adapt to changes, but maybe we've reached a limit?
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SCOTT, You are one of the few GetBiggers I pay attention to when it comes to reasonable bodybuilding comments and I 'partially' agree with your comments above.
I think what you said is one of the main reasons for the 'establishment' of this new NPC Classic Bodybuilding endeavor.
Based on a brief discussion with other old-timers who are 'bodybuilding educated' based on years of experience, this new breed of Classic Bodybuilders may be led by the likes of contenders such as Sergi Constance (Spain), Calum Vonmoger (Australia), and a small number of other potential greats in this new NPC Classic event that slowly faded away around the early 70's.
In your personal opinion .... do you think that the general public will support this new breed of 'athlete' and will the success of this new Classic Physique event change your opinion about the 'sport' of bodybuilding in general?
I personally think that it will be a bigger success than the majority of GetBiggers think possible.
Include "Physique" in the above statement!
THANKS, SCOTT ..... Stunt
Stunt, I am leaning toward the side of the general public will never again accept bodybuilding as anything other than a display of drugs on legs. Pandora's Box was opened with the film "Pumping Iron" wherein we saw the difference drugs make between those on and those who were never on.
But as with Pandora's Box when "Hope" was the last to emerge from within, so too may "Classic Physique" bring optimism to what was once a health oriented part of life.
As in years gone by, the arms, calves and neck should measure as close to the same as possible and the chest should be the equal of both thigh measurements.
And no gut. If you've got a gut you get no glory. Judges should be men like Frank Zane, Dave Dupre, Bob Paris, Lee Labrada and others whose physiques were aesthetic instead of assthetic. Presentation should be a part of the judging process and lurid displays the likes of Kai Greene should never be allowed even as guest posers. This ain't Houses of the Schmoely.
The taint of the Schmoe is all over today's bodybuilding. Time to clean house. Hopefully Classic Physique will do just that. One can hope.
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Bbbbut Shawn was black ;D
This might be off-topic (but who cares, this IS Getbig), but it's perfectly understandable that many elderly people have a hard time with this changing world, since we never had a drastic change in such a short time before. People can adapt to changes, but maybe we've reached a limit?
Change sometimes is not always good. Sometimes change can be for the bad. Bodybuilding "changes" are a reflection with the "changes" that are going on in this world. Lowered expectations, lowered standards. There is apparently guidelines that the judges must go by. But, they are inconsistent in using those standards. Corruption runs rampant. Among other things. And we complain, but we starting to get used to it.
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Change sometimes is not always good. Sometimes change can be for the bad. Bodybuilding is synonymous with a lot of the "change" that is going on in this world. Lowered expectations, lowered standards. There is apparently guidelines that the judges must go by. But, they are inconsistent in using those standards. Corruption runs rampant. Among other things. And we complain, but we starting to get used to it.
True Parker, not all changes lead to progress and I agree with many that the overall BB quality was better in the nineties, like the Levrones, Yatess, Cormiers, Rays, etc (I know, some believe even longer ago).
My point however is, is that many elderly people fall in that typical 'anything was better in the past' trap. They will always find faults in today's society.
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True Parker, not all changes lead to progress and I agree with many that the overall BB quality was better in the nineties, like the Levrones, Yatess, Cormiers, Rays, etc (I know, some believe even longer ago).
My point however is, is that many elderly people fall in that typical 'anything was better in the past' trap. They will always find faults in today's society.
True. But aren't almost all of us are guilty of that as we age?
For instance, I agree with the poster that said that Steve Reeves wasn't "all that". And old school guys point to him as ideal. And that many of the aesthetic guys of the 80s-90s can't touch him. I say it's the other way around. Yet, his phyisque looks like he is "in shape". You have reg guys who walk around like that. I just think Steve Reeves had a physique that was trained to a "certain level" that was exceptional for the time, due to not many people at the time being that phyiscally fit let along trained. Nowadays, you can find guys who have trained for a year or two and look like he did or better. Sure some don't have the height, but they had the proportions.
I believe that many of the older people of today do have some valid points. But, I also believe that not everything was better "in their day".
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True. But aren't almost all of us are guilty of that as we age?
For instance, I agree with the poster that said that Steve Reeves wasn't "all that". And old school guys point to him as ideal. And that many of the aesthetic guys of the 80s-90s can't touch him. I say it's the other way around. Yet, his phyisque looks like he is "in shape". You have reg guys who walk around like that. I just think Steve Reeves had a physique that was trained to a "certain level" that was exceptional for the time, due to not many people at the time being that phyiscally fit let along trained. Nowadays, you can find guys who have trained for a year or two and look like he did or better. Sure some don't have the height, but they had the proportions.
I believe that many of the older people of today do have some valid points. But, I also believe that not everything was better "in their day".
To answer your question, yes, that's why I wrote typical. So I believe it's always a good and wise thing to analyse our judgements/opinions, like what do they say about us and do we see/understand the whole picture?
Yeah, apart from his set of genes, Steve's physical advantage was the era where he grew up.
BTW, it's understandable that people strive to stay in line with nature and in this sense I understand people like The Scott very well.
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I'm an oldie as in 50+
Some Great Physiques around Nowadays
& Some Horrid ones also.
No different to The 90's 80's 70's Etc.
More exaggerated I see now with the
Effects of High dose Steroids/ GH / Insulin.
As For All Drugs Have We Not All Seen Pics
Of Arnold at 19. Or Arnold when off Gear.
Don't get me wrong Arnold when he was on was
One of the best ever.
It is more than a little difficult to know who is or was
Taking what & how much.
So the All drugs thing is very weak.
How do we know What Reeves or Park or Arnold or Zane or Shawn
Or Ronnie or Even Phil Heath Took / are Taking.
Let alone Quantities compared to each other.
Best thing about the Past Is I Was Younger. ;)
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Lets get back to talking shit about Cody and how he'll be dead at 25
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Sorry, GetBiggerts. I can't talk about anyone's demise, but....
WOW! ... I'm finding this to be a very interesting 'conversation' mainly due to the fact that I've had loads of fond memories since the 'good old days' 'through the present (which have been pretty damn good too!)
I've hd the opportunity to meet and/or become good friends with about 80%s of the individuals mentioned with this board since the days of Reeves and Eifferman and so many others who have been long gone and roughly 80% of every famous individual mentioned on this Board along with most of the good stuff and just a little bit of the bad stuff
GetBiggers love to hear about what occurred or might have occurred along the way.
So I find it interesting to hear the comments from you guys /gals who were still a 'gleam in your father's eye' and can only 'see' what you think that happened .... which is most likely very distant from reality.
I cannot disagree with SF and TEF and a few other statements regarding "inflation' but when I was growing up a home of your own was much more affordable and could be achieved even if only one member the household worked.
That's damn near impossible today!
And to the best of my knowledge there was no form of WELFARE way back then.
It is definitely debatable but some old timers say that was the turning point.
And most GetBiggers may not be aware of this but ..... there were homes, hospitals, institutions that cared for (some say, "Locked up! would be more appropriate) individuals who were a threat to themselves or society until some well-intended president set them free.
That also may have helped to put the breaks on them good old days.
But what's most evident to me is the fact that most everyone wants to blame someone other than themselves for their own actions.
And there is so much more, even stuff that is deifnitely body building related, but that's another story in itself.
So... the good old days as us Old Day Guys recall them ... are long gone and will never return! ....
Never return for us old day guys ..... BUT .....
This good old days will return when you present day guys get old enough to recall your own Good Old Days.
Most likely you will agree that things were so much better way back then.
I think it's contagious but you just don't know it yet.
(Sorry to have gotten off track here!)
But to make it more bodybuilding related .... I've invited a good number of the pros to sit in at the judging table, but each of them declined for their own personal reason.
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I'm an oldie as in 50+
Some Great Physiques around Nowadays
& Some Horrid ones also.
No different to The 90's 80's 70's Etc.
More exaggerated I see now with the
Effects of High dose Steroids/ GH / Insulin.
As For All Drugs Have We Not All Seen Pics
Of Arnold at 19. Or Arnold when off Gear.
Don't get me wrong Arnold when he was on was
One of the best ever.
It is more than a little difficult to know who is or was
Taking what & how much.
So the All drugs thing is very weak.
How do we know What Reeves or Park or Arnold or Zane or Shawn
Or Ronnie or Even Phil Heath Took / are Taking.
Let alone Quantities compared to each other.
Best thing about the Past Is I Was Younger. ;)
A lot of wisdom in this post!
Many come with the 'all drugs' statement when a noticeably smaller formal champ shows up, unless his name is Arnold, so it not someone's PED use that matters, but IF they like his personally and from which era he is ::)
In fact, I don't even understand why people with a strong anti-PED attitude are hanging out on a bodybuilding(!)-forum ::)
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Not about this kid. What, pray tell, is good about this individual? What? How is one supposed to be "positive" about someone as drug built and ignorant as this young man? Shall I damn him with faint praise? Should I sing the praises of PJ and his company for sponsoring such a great athlete?
What I do is no different than others here save that I do it better. So often people make light of the Christ and I could easily (and sometimes do) turn a phrase before turning a cheek. But I digress...
What is good about this manlets physique, his state of mind, his future? Near as one can honestly tell, nothing. As Judge Smails said in "Caddyshack" - "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."
I'm not being negative, rather I am positive that he and his drug built body are worthless. Again, point out something truly worthy about this sort of person. Now point out something truly worthy about his sponsor(s). About the so-called "Industry".
Look, even the HA has a Toy Run at Christmas time but that most assuredly doesn't erase the evil they do.
You desire positive? Bob Paris should have won a few Mr. Olympias. Lee Labrada too. I am quite positive about that. I cannot change the past but neither will I kowtow to the present state of idiocy that is bodybuilding. If I see someone or something that merits praise, I will give it.
Praising mediocrity, lauding cookie-cutter over-drugged look alike bodies is not something a rational, thinking person does.
Now don't go dragging rational, thinking people into this for fucks sake.
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A lot of wisdom in this post!
Many come with the 'all drugs' statement when a noticeably smaller formal champ shows up, unless his name is Arnold, so it not someone's PED use that matters, but IF they like his personally and from which era he is ::)
In fact, I don't even understand why people with a strong anti-PED attitude are hanging out on a bodybuilding(!)-forum ::)
But it's people like Dan Hill and the others who literally stop training.
In the past there appeared to be some appreciation for bodybuilding. Nowadays we see, too often, a pro retire and just stop working out altogether and not living a fitness lifestyle. Who wants to see that?
The "all drug" mentality goes beyond simply abuse of drugs.
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But it's people like Dan Hill and the others who literally stop training.
In the past there appeared to be some appreciation for bodybuilding. Nowadays we see, too often, a pro retire and just stop working out altogether and not living a fitness lifestyle. Who wants to see that?
The "all drug" mentality goes beyond simply abuse of drugs.
OK, in this context the 'all drugs' comment makes sense. Only a relative small group is passionate about training & nutrition from a health/wellness perspective.
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A lot of wisdom in this post!
Many come with the 'all drugs' statement when a noticeably smaller formal champ shows up, unless his name is Arnold, so it not someone's PED use that matters, but IF they like his personally and from which era he is ::)
In fact, I don't even understand why people with a strong anti-PED attitude are hanging out on a bodybuilding(!)-forum ::)
Let me state I Like Arnold.
At His Peak Arguably the Best Physique ever.
Yet we Never hear 'The All Drugs' Towards Him.
To many dislike a person / Physique & Label them
'All Drugs'
Why do Some come on a open forum knowing that
Lifters take PED'S to a greater or lesser extent &
Then moan about it.
OH And How Their Great Physique idol was oh so
Natural.
As an oldie myself I think Some should take the rose
Tinted Glasses off & Wake up Smell The Coffee.
Difference Now is
We are just more aware of what they get up to. :o
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Let me state I Like Arnold.
At His Peak Arguably the Best Physique ever.
Yet we Never hear 'The All Drugs' Towards Him.
To many dislike a person / Physique & Label them
'All Drugs'
Why do Some come on a open forum knowing that
Lifters take PED'S to a greater or lesser extent &
Then moan about it.
OH And How Their Great Physique idol was oh so
Natural.
As an oldie myself I think Some should take the rose
Tinted Glasses off & Wake up Smell The Coffee.
Difference Now is
We are just more aware of what they get up to. :o
It may perhaps not rhyme, but esp the bold part is written like a poem 8)
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Let me state I Like Arnold.
At His Peak Arguably the Best Physique ever.
Yet we Never hear 'The All Drugs' Towards Him.
To many dislike a person / Physique & Label them
'All Drugs'
Why do Some come on a open forum knowing that
Lifters take PED'S to a greater or lesser extent &
Then moan about it.
OH And How Their Great Physique idol was oh so
Natural.
As an oldie myself I think Some should take the rose
Tinted Glasses off & Wake up Smell The Coffee.
Difference Now is
We are just more aware of what they get up to. :o
Ah yes...rationalizing to fit your personal "reality".
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Ah yes...rationalizing to fit your personal "reality".
Hmmm
And Clearly Your Personal "Reality" is So much Better.
& No Doubt The Correct one For You.
Wake up..!!!
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Hmmm
And Clearly Your Personal "Reality" is So much Better.
& No Doubt The Correct one For You.
Wake up..!!!
More often than not, people wear blinders, not rose colored glasses. I wear neither because I choose to do so.
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Some intelligent and interesting comments above.
I hope that the following doesn't dummy it up, but ........
It's always good to read this 'stuff' when this stuff is discussed intelligently from both sides of the coin.
As a sideline, I can almost guarantee each and every one of you GetBiggers that competitive bodybuilders of the future will be completely different physically than they are at present.
Bloated guts and far from aesthetic builds will slowly fade away and should be completely gone by 2025.
You may not notice it .... but bodybuilding competitions will gradually blend into something more along the lines of 'classic' competitions.
But yet! ...... It's also a possibility (a very remote possibility) that classic competitions can slowly evolve into what we see today once more.
BUT .... no matter how it all turns out ... GetBiggers will continue to complain and moan and groan and continue to argue with and belittle those who have been successful within a field that is important to tham as individuals.
This arguing and bickering and possibly even a slight case of jealousy has been going on since the days when a guy name Reeves took off his shirt and had his picture taken.
And ain't nothing gonna stop it.
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Like it or not, as long as there is a public, there should (and will) be a stage for everyone. Even when a large organisation decides to stop with a certain class, then another organizer/organization will fill that gap. Compare it with different tastes in music/cars/foods/etc, that's simply how the market runs.
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Todays' bodybuilding is a sham. I wouldn't want my kids participating in competitive bodybuilding.
Like Hollyweird, strip off the tinsel from bodybuilding and you'll find the real tinsel underneath. I am with Stunt in that I hope for the best but until things change for the better, I will continue to look to the past for inspiration.
Especially the 40s through the 50s. The 70s were more my time as I came of age then but I already knew about the use of drugs. I used to go to the original Gold's and the guys were quite open about their use but they were also very cautious about said use. Seems they wanted to live less for the moment and more with an eye toward their future. Not all of them, just the ones still alive today.
It's said that a man that has seen the passage of a great many years, if he is fortunate, will still see life through the eyes of a child.
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Why are we discussing Arnold and some beta twerp named Cody Montgomery in the same thread. Mods, please break apart out of respect for The Greatest.
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But it's people like Dan Hill and the others who literally stop training.
In the past there appeared to be some appreciation for bodybuilding. Nowadays we see, too often, a pro retire and just stop working out altogether and not living a fitness lifestyle. Who wants to see that?
The "all drug" mentality goes beyond simply abuse of drugs.
Most can't do jack shit without steroids, it's a mentality that without drugs why bother, Shawn, Cormier retired and pretty much didn't touch a weight again. Guys like levrone and flex were pretty much the same but since they were pushing their own supplement line, they had to look the part. Flex said it on film that he doesn't even want to be in the gym a few years back while doing biceps curls and was half assing it
Guys like Ronnie like it or not just love to train regardless but he's also a mental case that doesn't know when to stop
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Most can't do jack shit without steroids, it's a mentality that without drugs why bother, Shawn, Cormier retired and pretty much didn't touch a weight again. Guys like levrone and flex were pretty much the same but since they were pushing their own supplement line, they had to look the part. Flex said it on film that he doesn't even want to be in the gym a few years back while doing biceps curls and was half assing it
Guys like Ronnie like it or not just love to train regardless but he's also a mental case that doesn't know when to stop
I think Ronnie became a police officer to facilitate his gym time. Unlike others, he didn't have to look to schmoes or magazine/supp endorsement in order to pay the bills.
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Looks like he got 10th place, out of 12, at the Arnold.
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Looks like he got 10th place, out of 12, at the Arnold.
He looked pretty good I thought.
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He looked pretty good I thought.
He looked great! And didn't place last. His tan was smudged I noticed, not sure what happened there. He just needs more size and he'll be competitive with the best of them.
Bright future ahead of this kid for sure.
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He looked great! And didn't place last. His tan was smudged I noticed, not sure what happened there. He just needs more size and he'll be competitive with the best of them.
Bright future ahead of this kid for sure.
as a 3/4th tier competitor, hes no going to radically change now, guy is maxed out size and drug wise.
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as a 3/4th tier competitor, hes no going to radically change now, guy is maxed out size and drug wise.
I think you're wrong there...
Cody almost reminds me of a very young Jay Cutler. Structurally he's like Jay, and I think he has a lot of room to grow. He'll shock some people within the next few years I think. He's only 21, he's got plenty of time to grow and improve.
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He looked great! And didn't place last. His tan was smudged I noticed, not sure what happened there. He just needs more size and he'll be competitive with the best of them.
Bright future ahead of this kid for sure.
no bright future
How long till pj kicks him to the curb
As long as he's with blackstone he's never gonna do well
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Regardless of how we GetBiggers feel about Cody's future within the competitive bodybuilding world, the genera consensus among those in the know and behind the scenes .... expect him to be doing exceptionally well within the very near future.
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Bright future ahead of this kid for sure.
.....if he leaves that manlet PJ he will have a chance at one. I honestly don't think he's anything special though. Would love to know his daily routine though just out of curiosity.
Is he in school or does he solely do the bodybuild thing?
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I think you're wrong there...
Cody almost reminds me of a very young Jay Cutler. Structurally he's like Jay, and I think he has a lot of room to grow. He'll shock some people within the next few years I think. He's only 21, he's got plenty of time to grow and improve.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com//contests/1930-arnold-classic/2016/24407-cody-montgomery/24407-cody-montgomery-53_final.jpg)
nah, lines are all wrong, hes maxed out, any further attempt to get any bigger will just add to the mid section
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His smallish legs make his waist look wider than it should be...
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Someplace earlier on the previous page, SCOTT said something that jolted my memory banks that could be expounded on, but I'll make this one short....
SCOTT wrote about his 1970'a recollection .. :I used to go to the original Gold's and the guys were quite open about their use but they were also very cautious about said use."
Back in them good old days, there were no real secrets about anyone's use of roids. It was common knowledge and discussed openly among everyone who took 'lifting' seriously.
The only 'secret' that was seldom discussed was .... "How much, how often, and the precise combination".
The competitive bodybuilders were 'secretive' simply because they wanted to maintain an advantage over the other guy.
And back around that same time, 'calf implants' began to be a major topic of conversation.
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com//contests/1930-arnold-classic/2016/24407-cody-montgomery/24407-cody-montgomery-53_final.jpg)
nah, lines are all wrong, hes maxed out, any further attempt to get any bigger will just add to the mid section
ye wide waist and some short muscle bellies here and there
why waste the time and effort when you don't have the potential.. oh well
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no bright future
How long till pj kicks him to the curb
As long as he's with blackstone he's never gonna do well
He just turned pro last year..... ::)
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.....Is he in school or does he solely do the bodybuild thing?
Didn't Marco Rubio say something about an IFBB pro making more money than a philosopher? ;D
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.....if he leaves that manlet PJ he will have a chance at one. I honestly don't think he's anything special though. Would love to know his daily routine though just out of curiosity.
Is he in school or does he solely do the bodybuild thing?
He's in some university in Texas, forget which one. I remember before the USAs he did a Live With on RX with Dave, and talked about giving up bodybuilding all-together and focusing on school and his career, but then Blackstone picked him up and offered him enough money to do school and bodybuilding.
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He just turned pro last year..... ::)
they kicked u to the curb pretty quick
And you've been with them longer and did more than cody
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Already regressing?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=577001.0;attach=632648;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=577001.0;attach=632649;image)
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He's in some university in Texas, forget which one. I remember before the USAs he did a Live With on RX with Dave, and talked about giving up bodybuilding all-together and focusing on school and his career, but then Blackstone picked him up and offered him enough money to do school and bodybuilding.
It's UTSA(san antonio) or Texas state (san marcos),,,i cant rememeber which one he lives in but i remember watching a video of his where he said it but it's one of those two,,,,i jsut didnt know if he still attended. Like does he juggle classes with his bodybuilding or no? just curious....
and yeah he is def maxxed out...
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they kicked u to the curb pretty quick
And you've been with them longer and did more than cody
I've never been an employee of Blackstone Labs or Prime Nutrition nor have I received any monetary compensation. Cody is a sponsored athlete
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It's UTSA(san antonio) or Texas state (san marcos),,,i cant rememeber which one he lives in but i remember watching a video of his where he said it but it's one of those two,,,,i jsut didnt know if he still attended. Like does he juggle classes with his bodybuilding or no? just curious....
and yeah he is def maxxed out...
He said he was in the middle of exams as of the Live With video. So I think he's still in school or at least close to being done now, since he's 21. I'm thinking he's got a year of school left.
I honestly don't believe he's maxed out yet... But that's just my opinion. I guess if we're still here in 5 years we'll see who was right about this one haha!
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He may have dieted a bit too hard and not kept the size he had. He can still look great if he fills out and gets his swole back. He has a great frame and if he packs it with size could be a serious Mr O contender.