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Obama to release plan to close Guantanamo Bay
WASHINGTON — President Obama will release a plan to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on Tuesday, setting up a last-year confrontation with Congress about a campaign promise he made eight years ago.
Obama will deliver a statement on the plan from the White House at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday that the Pentagon report "will make a compelling case that closing the prison is clearly in our national security interest, but also will reflect the need for the United States government to be a good steward of taxpayer dollars."
There are 91 detainees remaining in the prison; each one costs more than $3 million per year.
"There is far too much money that is spent to operate that prison when there are more cost-effective alternatives available. And we certainly would like to work with the Congress to make those alternatives a reality because we know that those alternatives don't weaken our national security. In fact, they strengthen it. They enhance it," Earnest said. "And it would take away — by closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay — a chief recruiting tool that we know is used by terrorist organizations about the world."
Guantanamo Bay, located on the eastern edge of Cuba, has housed prisoners taken captive in war on terror since 2002. Since it exists on a base on Cuban soil but held by the United States under a 113-year-old lease, the prisoners are in what some human rights organizations call a "legal black hole."
There were 242 detainees still in the Guantanamo Bay prison when Obama took office in 2009, down from a high of almost 700. That number has dwindled over the years as the Pentagon has transferred lower-risk detainees to other countries — meaning that the prisoners who remain tend to be considered higher security risks.
Current law prohibits the president from transferring the Guantanamo Bay detainees to U.S. soil, where there are only a handful of maximum-security prisons deemed appropriate to house them. Congress also added a provision to the defense policy bill signed by Obama last year requiring the administration to put forward a plan for transferring the remaining detainees to prisons in the United States. Tuesday is the deadline for that report.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/23/obama-releases-plan-close-guantanamo-bay/80792250/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/23/obama-releases-plan-close-guantanamo-bay/80792250/)
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Is holding them in a place outside of US laws (in terms of treatment and interrogation) the right thing?
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Close the entire fucking base on Cuba and all other US military bases around the world.... PERIOD!!
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He'll create a plan but the next president will not execute on it. big deal
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Eh, wherever they can keep waterboarding them is fine with me :)
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You obviously have no clue about this matter. It's a game of chess and if you don't participate you will lose big. I bet you and countless simpletons also say things like, "it's all about oil"...YES IT.
Close the entire fucking base on Cuba and all other US military bases around the world.... PERIOD!!
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Close the entire fucking base on Cuba and all other US military bases around the world.... PERIOD!!
Lol, like that will happen.
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You obviously have no clue about this matter. It's a game of chess and if you don't participate you will lose big. I bet you and countless simpletons also say things like, "it's all about oil"...YES IT.
oh fuck off...colonialism has failed for centuries now...the elites that control Murica need to be taken out...why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
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why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
Then why are so many trying to move here, both legally, and illegally?
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oh fuck off...colonialism has failed for centuries now...the elites that control Murica need to be taken out...why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my freedom.
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oh fuck off...colonialism has failed for centuries now...the elites that control Murica need to be taken out...why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
I assume you are in Europe.
If so,
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Then why are so many trying to move here, both legally, and illegally?
Nice weather and easy women
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Nice weather and easy women
You're goddamn right
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You and all those who hate this country would give your left nut to live here. The fact that you can't is the cause of your resentment and hatred of all things American. The United States is the BEST country in the world!
oh fuck off...colonialism has failed for centuries now...the elites that control Murica need to be taken out...why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
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You and all those who hate this country would give your left nut to live here. The fact that you can't is the cause of your resentment and hatred of all things American. The United States is the BEST country in the world!
I don't know if its the BEST country in the world.
It depends what factors you're looking at.
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Chop their fucking heads off and dump the bodies. Problem solved. Answer brutality with brutality. The reason they keep attacking us is that they know we are pussies and won't do shit about it.
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In other news, I contacted a client from 8 years ago. Said I was making a plan to do that job I promised I would do. They told me to fuck off. Can u imagine that?
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I don't know if its the BEST country in the world.
It depends what factors you're looking at.
Kindly fuck off you argumentative little toad
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didn't obuma boy say this years ago? what a waste of space the clown presi is
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oh fuck off...colonialism has failed for centuries now...the elites that control Murica need to be taken out...why do you thin your country is the most hated around the world???
If you are European, how do you think Murica came into being? The Brits were the most hated, so were the French, The Spanish, The Portuguese, and so on. And look at China in Africa, they are doing a backdoor version.
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didn't obuma boy say this years ago? what a waste of space the clown presi is
He probably got a reality check regarding practicality.
After all: Stripping rights from others is the only way to protect democracy. :)
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WTF? Guantanamo's still open?
Obama ordered the closing of Guantanamo Bay in 2009. What a success story! ::)
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WTF? Guantanamo's still open?
Obama ordered the closing of Guantanamo Bay in 2009. What a success story! ::)
Serious question: How many policy decisions do you believe The President makes?
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Brilliant move ::)
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/dni-confirmed-116-former-gitmo-detainees-returned-terror-or
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Brilliant move ::)
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/dni-confirmed-116-former-gitmo-detainees-returned-terror-or
Old news.
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they're not getting released - they are getting moved to SuperMax, right?
I bet they PREFER the tropical soccer games of Gitmo over the 23 hours solitary brick in freezing ass colorado or michigan or wherever. Gitmo, they get camaraderie and great weather. Actual prison would suck for them.
and nobody has ever escaped supermax, or ever will, right?
what is the big deal? Your war boner over the mean cuban prison?
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Guantanamo was a holiday camp compared to some of the other places they were sent.
Exactly, Guantanamo was a summer camp compared to the CIA black houses in Iraq in Afghanistan.
....hope they are still open :)
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Guantanamo was a holiday camp compared to some of the other places they were sent.
If I had the option of Guantanamo or a NDS run prison in Kabul, Id be straight on the plane to sunny Cuba. Couldn't get me in an orange jumpsuit quick enough.
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Serious question: How many policy decisions do you believe The President makes?
Zero?
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The guys running Guantanamo should load up all the prisoners into the back of a U-haul truck and drive the truck into the White house while Obama is sleeping.
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The guys running Guantanamo should load up all the prisoners into the back of a U-haul truck and drive the truck into the White house while Obama is sleeping.
Good idea but won't do much.
Give them a boatload of weapons and fly them to The City of London.
More effective.
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Close the entire fucking base on Cuba and all other US military bases around the world.... PERIOD!!
Close all US military bases around the world?
What kind of special kid are you?
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they're not getting released - they are getting moved to SuperMax, right?
I bet they PREFER the tropical soccer games of Gitmo over the 23 hours solitary brick in freezing ass colorado or michigan or wherever. Gitmo, they get camaraderie and great weather. Actual prison would suck for them.
and nobody has ever escaped supermax, or ever will, right?
what is the big deal? Your war boner over the mean cuban prison?
Big deal is that we're kidnapping and torturing a large number of people without any judicial process or public disclosure. Bad enough in itself, but if the objective is protection then how do you even know you've got the right guy without a broadly accessible review of the case? Because some CIA analyst said so in an email? If they knew their job 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. And shit, if they grab the wrong guy then the right guy is still wandering around out there while all the end-justifies-the-means farm boys are sucking each other's dicks over a job-well-done. If you knew your enemy was engaging in this, think you might ramp up a disinformation campaign to get them to nab some of your rivals for you? Or feed them people who don't know a fucking thing so they can feel nice and busy and not come looking for you?
The problem isn't just that it's evil and illegal. It may not even be effective. As a disinformer's wet dream, it could even be counterproductive. (And if you believe the body that got dumped into the ocean before anyone got a chance to see it was really Bin Laden then visit bridgesales.com.) Or maybe it is effective. We'll never know because, as usual, the military government does whatever the fuck it pleases, in any amount it pleases, with programs that rate themselves as super-effective and self-perpetuate once established. No one tells us a goddamn thing except that there are still attacks happening on a regular basis so we really need these programs... which prevent these attacks from happening. I'm no analyst but wtf kind of logic is that? They haven't solved the problem. They don't seem to have ameliorated the problem. Seems reasonable after this long to question whether they're on the right track to a solution.
And another thing, mmmmpff!!! Hey get that bag off my head! [bonk]
We must trust our government implicitly. They are our friend. Be sure to report anyone who asks questions. Thank you for your assistance.
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I don't know if its the BEST country in the world.
It depends what factors you're looking at.
Let's look at the simplest factor of them all.
Millions of people from all over the world every fucking country on this earth are fighting and paying and bribing and lying to get here, become residents and eventually citizens. And when I say people, I'm not referring to the sand savages invited to rape white women in Europe.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/speaker-ryan-we-are-making-legal-preparations-case-obama-tries-break-law?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=CNS&utm_term=facebook&utm_content=facebook&utm_campaign=n-ryan-gitmo
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3 million dollars per prisoner what the hell are they feeding these guys, a gh buffet?
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Bullets are relatively cheap and sharks would eat them for free.
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Close all US military bases around the world?
What kind of special kid are you?
how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world????? Do you not see a problem with the US???
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how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world????? Do you not see a problem with the US???
Why in the flying fuck did you pick those countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base)
China announced plans in November 2015 to establish a naval facility in the city of Djibouti in order to provide logistic support for anti-piracy operations along the Horn of Africa.[2]
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Why in the flying fuck did you pick those countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base)
China announced plans in November 2015 to establish a naval facility in the city of Djibouti in order to provide logistic support for anti-piracy operations along the Horn of Africa.[2]
pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10
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pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10
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this guy got it right...too bad too many of you Muricans are too fucking brainwashed to see the value in what he had to say....
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Big deal is that we're kidnapping and torturing a large number of people without any judicial process or public disclosure. Bad enough in itself, but if the objective is protection then how do you even know you've got the right guy without a broadly accessible review of the case? Because some CIA analyst said so in an email? If they knew their job 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. And shit, if they grab the wrong guy then the right guy is still wandering around out there while all the end-justifies-the-means farm boys are sucking each other's dicks over a job-well-done. If you knew your enemy was engaging in this, think you might ramp up a disinformation campaign to get them to nab some of your rivals for you? Or feed them people who don't know a fucking thing so they can feel nice and busy and not come looking for you?
The problem isn't just that it's evil and illegal. It may not even be effective. As a disinformer's wet dream, it could even be counterproductive. (And if you believe the body that got dumped into the ocean before anyone got a chance to see it was really Bin Laden then visit bridgesales.com.) Or maybe it is effective. We'll never know because, as usual, the military government does whatever the fuck it pleases, in any amount it pleases, with programs that rate themselves as super-effective and self-perpetuate once established. No one tells us a goddamn thing except that there are still attacks happening on a regular basis so we really need these programs... which prevent these attacks from happening. I'm no analyst but wtf kind of logic is that? They haven't solved the problem. They don't seem to have ameliorated the problem. Seems reasonable after this long to question whether they're on the right track to a solution.
And another thing, mmmmpff!!! Hey get that bag off my head! [bonk]
We must trust our government implicitly. They are our friend. Be sure to report anyone who asks questions. Thank you for your assistance.
terrorist post reported
:D
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pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10
Yes and it's awesome!
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how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world????? Do you not see a problem with the US???
Geopolitics. ::)