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My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?
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My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?
She just found something better to use her energy on than you!
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She just found something better to use her energy on than you!
lol..nah, I hope not. shes taking an antidepressant too so I was thinking that may be the problem as well.
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That is a better theory than your working out one.
yea I know, I just read a minute ago that working out will actually increase a womans sex drive. So now I'm set on the antidepressant. Damn zoloft, damn it to hell.
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zoloft kills it.
prozac makes it weird.
welbutrin has minimal sexual side effects.
exercise is good for it- improves stamina, blood flow, and a little serotonin release.
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My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?
She is probably doing someone else. Sorry, but it happens.
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relax bro its probably not the weights
more likely shes fucking some dude from the gym on the side!
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Maybe when she said "gym", she meant "Jim".
VP, you sending her home tired?
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My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?
It's usually caused by dating the same man for too long. If you dump her, you'll be amazed at how fast that sex drive returns.
Special "Dr. Drew" Ed
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Maybe when she said "gym", she meant "Jim".
VP, you sending her home tired?
i havent satisfied a woman yet
and i dont plan on starting now
you nosey asshole!
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i havent satisfied a woman yet
and i dont plan on starting now
you nosey asshole!
I'm betting you aren't a virgin either! ;D
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lol..nah, I hope not. shes taking an antidepressant too so I was thinking that may be the problem as well.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell is she on that shit for anyway!!!!!!!!!!
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zoloft kills it.
prozac makes it weird.
welbutrin has minimal sexual side effects.
exercise is good for it- improves stamina, blood flow, and a little serotonin release.
Oral contraceptives also diminishes the sex drive in women
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell is she on that shit for anyway!!!!!!!!!!
a few months ago she would cry for no reason, and wake up in the middle of the night having panic attacks and crap.
Personally I think that kinda stuff is all in your head and you just gotta anti up mentally and get over it..of course I dont tell her that
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a few months ago she would cry for no reason, and wake up in the middle of the night having panic attacks and crap.
Personally I think that kinda stuff is all in your head and you just gotta anti up mentally and get over it..of course I dont tell her that
Of course it's "All in your head". Depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in your brain. However like any sickness you can't just "snap out of it." It doesn't work like that. Inorder to balance the chemicals back you need other chemicals(Antidepressants do this). Anyone who says you can just "stop being depressed" has never had major depression. Same with alot of mental disorders...You need medication to fix it considering depression is a major cause of suicide.
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a few months ago she would cry for no reason, and wake up in the middle of the night having panic attacks and crap.
Personally I think that kinda stuff is all in your head and you just gotta anti up mentally and get over it..of course I dont tell her that
Dump the psycho. If she's that whacky and you're only BF/GF, imagine how pathetic she'll be when you're married or god help her, if she had a baby. RUN, don't walk.
Special "Dr. Phil" Ed
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Dump the psycho. If she's that whacky and you're only BF/GF, imagine how pathetic she'll be when you're married or god help her, if she had a baby. RUN, don't walk.
Special "Dr. Phil" Ed
I actually thought about that, I kept thinking to myself "this girl is a head case I dont need this in my life" ...but weve been dating for over a year and am a little more attached to her than that.
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I understand what you're saying. John Bobbitt said the same thing.
Special "Full Metal Circumcision" Ed
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a few months ago she would cry for no reason, and wake up in the middle of the night having panic attacks and crap.
Personally I think that kinda stuff is all in your head and you just gotta anti up mentally and get over it..of course I dont tell her that
I have had panic attacks. Got them less as years went on. Only thing I ever used was low dose of xanax and only when I got one. I also found that just knowing that I had the xanax with me actually got me thru 50% of them without taking anything. Now the Dr's want to put you on a mind altering drug 24/7 for something that you might only get 2-3 times a month. More money for the drug companies.
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it wasnt a good idea for her to take steroids.
Now "she" is "he"
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Of course it's "All in your head". Depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in your brain. However like any sickness you can't just "snap out of it." It doesn't work like that. Inorder to balance the chemicals back you need other chemicals(Antidepressants do this). Anyone who says you can just "stop being depressed" has never had major depression. Same with alot of mental disorders...You need medication to fix it considering depression is a major cause of suicide.
NO! it is "thought" to be caused by a chemical imbalance and they clearly say this on those drugs commercials. Truth is they have no idea what causes them. Get this, they even state that they don't even know exactly how the drug works on your brain!!!!!!!!!!!! So, you're taking a drug for something that they do not know the cause and the drug they give you is unknown as to how it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA WTF give me some of that.
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Of course it's "All in your head". Depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in your brain. However like any sickness you can't just "snap out of it." It doesn't work like that. Inorder to balance the chemicals back you need other chemicals(Antidepressants do this). Anyone who says you can just "stop being depressed" has never had major depression. Same with alot of mental disorders...You need medication to fix it considering depression is a major cause of suicide.
As most Americans you have bought into this falicy. Read this:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/march02levine.htm
And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry
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As most Americans you have bought into this falicy. Read this:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/march02levine.htm
And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry
I've read them both...They aren't scientific evidence. The "Anti-Psychiatry" movement is based off of psuedo science alot like the "intelligent design" movement. Most "Anti-Psychiatrists" are scientologists and other cult members.
Psychiatric disorders being neurological and biological is supported by Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies as is the effectiveness of psychiatric medications.
BTW it's spelled "fallacy" ;)
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Her sex drive didn't drop. She is poking some other guy(s) at the gym and her pussy is worn out by the time she sees you. The only alternative is you get her first thing in the morning. Then the guys at the gym will get sloopy seconds.
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zoloft kills it.
prozac makes it weird.
welbutrin has minimal sexual side effects.
exercise is good for it- improves stamina, blood flow, and a little serotonin release.
and of course u know how well those drugs work on u 240..
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Anti-Psychiatrists view autism as a result of "Bad Parenting"! :o
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Anti-Psychiatrists view autism as a result of "Bad Parenting"! :o
Really? Where did you here that.
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Anyone who says you can just "stop being depressed" has never had major depression.
So there are varying levels of depression?
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So there are varying levels of depression?
Yes..There are.
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Really? Where did you here that.
That WIKI page that was posted.
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That WIKI page that was posted.
THanks
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Yes..There are.
How do you know that someone is depressed or that they just have problems in their life that is causing the so called symptoms of depression?
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I've read them both...They aren't scientific evidence. The "Anti-Psychiatry" movement is based off of psuedo science alot like the "intelligent design" movement. Most "Anti-Psychiatrists" are scientologists and other cult members.
Psychiatric disorders being neurological and biological is supported by Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies as is the effectiveness of psychiatric medications.
BTW it's spelled "fallacy" ;)
You sound like someone who deeply imbedded in the pharmaceutical industry or the psychiatric community. You call Anti-Psychiatry psuedo science. That’s exactly what Psychiatry is. Psychiatry is a self admitted failure… a total failure that has convinced Americans that they are THE authorities of mental health.
Psychiatry can never “cure” any of the so called syndromes they keep dreaming up so they medicate the people who are “suffering” from the syndromes they’ve invented. Before that it was electric shock treatment and lobotomy.
Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies? Yes reviewed by their OWN peers, funded by the drug companies while the FDA and the FTC waves them though. Please.
If that’s not a cult what is?
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How do you know that someone is depressed or that they just have problems in their life that is causing the so called symptoms of depression?
Simply being "Depressed" isn't Clinical depression which is major depression. Also often or not problems in a person environment can contribute to their clinical depression which is caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. On the diagnostic statistical manual of mental disorders it's ICD-10 F32, F33..ICD-9 296.2-5
The symptoms of Clinical depression are...
Feelings of overwhelming sadness or fear or the seeming inability to feel emotion.
A decrease in the amount of pleasure derived from what were previously pleasurable activities.
Changing appetite and marked weight gain or loss.
Disturbed sleep patterns, such as insomnia, loss of REM sleep, or excessive sleep.
Changes in activity levels, such as restlessness or a slowing of movement.
Fatigue, mental or physical.
Feelings of guilt, helplessness, hopelessness, anxiety, or fear.
A decrease in self-esteem.
Trouble concentrating or making decisions or a generalized slowing and obtunding of cognition.
Self-harm or ruminating on self-harm.
Ruminating on death or suicide.
Reduced memory.
One doesn't need all of these symptoms to have depression just most of them. Some people can be depressed without contemplating suicide or harming themself.
Most of the time people who have clinical depression aren't even depressed "about" anything just simply feel depressed. The feeling you get when you are very sad about something..Just minus the "something". The emotion comes from seemingly nowhere as far as you can tell in your everyday life.
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You sound like someone who deeply imbedded in the pharmaceutical industry or the psychiatric community. You call Anti-Psychiatry psuedo science. That’s exactly what Psychiatry is. Psychiatry is a self admitted failure… a total failure that has convinced Americans that they are THE authorities of mental health.
Evidence please? Provide evidence that..
1.Psychiatry is psuedo science.
2.It's a "Self admitted failure.
3.A failure to begin with.
Psychiatry can never “cure” any of the so called syndromes they keep dreaming up so they medicate the people who are “suffering” from the syndromes they’ve invented. Before that it was electric shock treatment and lobotomy.
Both electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremly effective at Curing these syndromes and tons of scientific evidence support this even if potentially risky.
Some studies — later confirmed in controlled clinical trials which included the use of simulated or "sham" ECT as a control (Janicak et al., 1985), have determined ECT to be highly effective against severe depression, some acute psychotic states, and mania (Small et al., 1988).
No controlled study has shown any other treatment to have superior efficacy to ECT in the treatment of depression (Janicak et al., 1985; Rudorfer et al., 1997). ECT has not been demonstrated to be effective in dysthymia, substance abuse, anxiety, or personality disorders. The foregoing conclusions, and many of those discussed below, are the products of review of extensive research conducted over several decades (Depression Guideline Panel, 1993; Rudorfer et al., 1997) as well as by a panel of scientists, practitioners, and consumers (NIH & NIMH Consensus Conference, 1985).
Although the average 60 to 70 percent response rate seen with ECT is comparable to that obtained with pharmacotherapy, there is evidence that the antidepressant effect of ECT occurs faster than that seen with medication, which supports the use of ECT in cases where depression is accompanied by potentially uncontrollable suicidal ideas and actions (Rudorfer et al., 1997). However, ECT does not exert a long-term protection against suicide. Indeed, it is now recognized that a single course of ECT should be regarded as a short-term treatment for an acute episode of illness. To sustain the response to ECT, continuation treatment, often in the form of antidepressant and/or mood stabilizer medication, must be instituted (Sackeim, 1994). "Maintenance ECT" as it is called, refers to indefinite periods of recurring electroshock treatments, usually scheduled a few weeks apart. Critics of electroshock assert that the reason maintenance electroshock is required is because the brain requires approximately four weeks to recover from each closed head injury caused by eletroshock treatment. Thus, when the brain has healed, the temporary euphoric effects are lost and the brain must be electroshocked again and again to attain the previous mood level gain.
Individuals who repeatedly relapse following ECT despite continuation medication may be candidates for maintenance ECT, delivered on an outpatient basis at a rate of one treatment weekly to as infrequently as monthly (Sackeim, 1994; Rudorfer et al., 1997).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy#Effectiveness
Hundreds of thousands of scientific studies? Yes reviewed by their OWN peers, funded by the drug companies while the FDA and the FTC waves them though. Please.
If that’s not a cult what is?
You're obviously a conspiracy theorist. If hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed scientifc studies don't convince you...Nothing will.
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Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?
Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? ::)
Man you psychiatry advocates practitioners are actually arrogant enough to believe that anyone will buy into your self serving agenda’s. :-*
You’re right about ONE thing… thousands of studies in and of Psychiatry backed by the SELF SERVING drug industry reviewed by THEIR OWN PEERS won’t convince me. And nothing you say ever will… ever.
I guess I must be suffering from “Fully Aware of An Entire Corrupt Industry and Too Informed to Fall For it Syndrome”. I’m going to go practice my laughter therapy for at least an hour now. It’s much better that psychiatric drugs.
BTW it is spelled… extremely. Touché. ;)
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Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?
ALL scientific studies that are reviewed are reviewed by other scientists along with the public. Don't you get science journals? They are PUBLISHED for all to see.
Secondly there may be some side effects in some cases but there are side effects for ALL medical treatments and medicines. Most of the time when these medicines are given..The symptoms vanish and the people feel 100% better.
Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? ::)
Yes, You are.
You still haven't given any evidence for your claims. No scientific studies. No scientific evidence..Nothing.
This makes your claims "Baseless".
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Well there you have it… you’ve certainly convinced me that drugging people, the use of Electroconvulsive therapy and Lobotomy are extremely effective at “Curing” syndromes dreamed up by psychiatry with tons of scientific evidence (REVIEWED BY THEIR OWN PEERS) support this even if potentially risky. Curing in your definition is turning them into walking zombies?
Yes I’m the one that a “conspiracy” theorist, aren’t I? ::)
Man you psychiatry advocates practitioners are actually arrogant enough to believe that anyone will buy into your self serving agenda’s. :-*
You’re right about ONE thing… thousands of studies in and of Psychiatry backed by the SELF SERVING drug industry reviewed by THEIR OWN PEERS won’t convince me. And nothing you say ever will… ever.
I guess I must be suffering from “Fully Aware of An Entire Corrupt Industry and Too Informed to Fall For it Syndrome”. I’m going to go practice my laughter therapy for at least an hour now. It’s much better that psychiatric drugs.
BTW it is spelled… extremely. Touché. ;)
Psychiatry is not without it flaws, but in general it has earned it's merits. There are some very effective medicins out there with minimal side-effects. There's always the risk of ending up with a bad psychiatrist, but that can happen with any type of proffesional, hell, even with plumbers ;).
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Oh dear Johnny, you've got yourself a new drawn out argument to play with.
What exactly is the issue here max?
That the drug companies are pushing high volumes and thus drugs are being prescribed to people who don't need them?
That the drugs don't work?
That psychiatry is pseudoscience?
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Oh dear Johnny, you've got yourself a new drawn out argument to play with.
What exactly is the issue here max?
That the drug companies are pushing high volumes and thus drugs are being prescribed to people who don't need them?
That the drugs don't work?
That psychiatry is pseudoscience?
He went up in arms when I said that mental disorders are due to imbalances of chemicals in the brain, So I'm assuming he doesn't believe things like Clinical Depression are caused by neuro-chemical disorders.
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Here’s what I find interesting… How is it that the package inserts for Phychiatric Drugs and the PDR lists side effects that are even worse that the symptoms they are supposed to be “curing”. I suppose that there were no valid scientific studies conducted that lead to the necessity of these statements, right? Some things just make a reasonable person go… hmmm.
Side Effects of Drugs Used for “Psychiatric Disorders” According to the manufacturers' drug inserts and to the Physician Drug Reference, the following are some of the side effects of the drugs commonly used for Psychiatric disorders.
Amphetamine/amphetamine type
Ritalin: depression, chronic abuse can lead to tolerance and psychic dependency with varying degrees of abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes can occur. Patients with agitation may react adversely. CBC and platelet count (lab work) are advised. Long-term affects have not been established.
Cardiac side effects: necrotizing vasculitis, thrombocytopenia purpura, blood pressure and pulse changes, rapid heart beat, cardiac arrhythmia, angina.
Adderall: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, may exacerbate behavior disturbances and thought disorders, and psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic use of amphetamines.
Dexedrine: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic amphetamine use.
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI)
Prozac: Anxiety, restlessness, mania/hypomania, seizures, suicide, impaired judgment, agitation, amnesia, confusion, emotional lability, apathy, depersonalization, hallucinations, hostility, paranoid reaction, personality disorder, delusions.
Cardiac side effects: hemorrhage, hypertension, angina, arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attack, rapid heart beat, atrial fibrillation, cerebral embolism, heart block.
Zoloft: Mania/hypomania, suicide, agitation, anxiety, emotional lability, apathy, paranoid reactions, hallucinations, aggressive reactions, delusions, illusion.
Cardiac side effects: heart palpitations, chest pain, hypertension, rapid heartbeat, dizziness, syncope, fluid retention, heart attack.
Paxil: Mania/hypomania, impaired judgment, agitation, depression, anxiety, drugged feeling, depersonalization, amnesia, emotional lability, abnormal thinking, hallucinations, lack of emotion, hostility, manic reaction, neurosis, paranoid reaction, antisocial reaction, delirium, delusions, drug dependence, stupor.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope; EKG abnormalities, angina, heart attack.
Luvox: mania, apathy, amnesia, delusions, depersonalization, drug dependence, emotional lability, hostility, paranoid reaction, and phobia.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope, angina, heart failure, and heart attack.
OTHER DRUGS
Catapres: Adult high blood pressure drug: delirium, mental depression, visual and auditory hallucinations, restlessness, anxiety, agitation, irritability, other behavioral changes, drowsiness.
Cardiac side-effects: congestive heart failure, cerebrovascular accident (stroke), EKG abnormalities, arrhythmias, chest pain, syncope, high blood pressure, rapid heartbeat and palpitations.
Wellbutrin: Agitation, anxiety, restlessness, delusions, hallucinations, psychotic episodes, confusion, paranoia, mania, seizures, hostility, depression, depersonalization, mood instability, thought disorder, suicidal ideation.
Cardiac side effects: edema, chest pain, EKG abnormalities, shortness of breath, heart attack.
Norpramine: Psychiatric disturbances, seizures, anxiety, hallucinations, restlessness, agitation, nightmares, insomnia, confusion, tremors.
Cardiac side effects: Sudden death in children, heart attack, heart block, stroke, arrhythmias, rapid heart rate.
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He went up in arms when I said that mental disorders are due to imbalances of chemicals in the brain, So I'm assuming he doesn't believe things like Clinical Depression are caused by neuro-chemical disorders.
Like I said before, they are "thought" to be caused by a chemical imbalance. The medical industry uses their words very carefully. In reality they do not know and they admit this. They do not even fully understand how the drugs that they are prescribing actually work. Again, thru their own admission.
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Violence and Psychiatric Drugs
1. On May 25, 1997 18-year-old Jeremy Strohmeyer raped and murdered a 7-year-old African American girl in Las Vegas, Nevada. Strohmeyer had been diagnosed with ADD and prescribed Dexedrine, a Ritalin-like drug, immediately prior to the killing.
2. On October 1, 1997, in Pearl Mississippi, 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, 50-year-old Mary Woodham, to death and then went to his high school where he shot nine people, killing two teenage girls and wounding seven others. Published reports say he was on Prozac.
3. Exactly two months later on Dec 1, 1997, Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed. Carneal was reportedly on Ritalin.
4. Then in February 1998, a young man in Huntsville, Alabama on Ritalin went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
5. On March 24, 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. According to one report, the boys were believed to be on Ritalin.
6. Two months later another grisly school massacre occurred. On May 21, 1998 15-year-old Kip Kinkel of Springfield, Oregon murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
7. On April 16, 1999, 15-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho took a 12-gauge shot gun to school and started firing, injuring one student and holding the school hostage for about 20 minutes. Terrified students ran for their lives, some barricading themselves in classrooms. Cooper had been taking Ritalin when he fired the shotgun's rounds.
8. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing himself. Harris was on one of the SSRI anti-depressants called Luvox.
9. A month later to the day, on May 20, 1999 T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old high school student in Conyers, Georgia, on Ritalin(r), opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates. Thankfully, none were killed.
10. Fourteen-year-old Rod Mathews who had been prescribed Ritalin(r) since the third grade beat a classmate to death with a bat.
11. Nineteen-year-old James Wilson, who had been on psychiatric drugs for 5 years, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school in Breenwood, South Carolina, killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
According to national news reports in January 1999, ten days after Ryan Ehlis, a college student in Bismark, North Dakota, began taking Adderall to control his attention deficit disorder and to help him with his college studies, he slipped into a psychotic fog and killed his infant daughter. He said God told him to do it. The courts found him innocent after testimony by a psychiatrist and by the manufacturer of the drug that the "psychotic state" was a very rare side effect of Adderall use.
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"attention deficit disorder " ::)
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U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995
Methylphenidate (Ritalin®) - Overview
1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine and other stimulants.
2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like reinforcing effects including increased rate of euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing effects.
3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with cocaine and amphetamines.
4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered preference studies in non-human primates.
5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and reinforcing effects
similar to amphetamines.
6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in scientific studies.
7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine reported higher levels of drug dependence than those who had not used Ritalin.
8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in occurrence and is accurately described as producing severe dependence. Sweden removed Ritalin from its market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.
9. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than those taking it medically prescribed.
Side-effects of Ritalin: increased blood pressure, heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior, paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors, heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and death
10. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the same as those with attention and behavior problems. Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.
CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin. CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant that is not associated with abuse or serious side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent with scientific literature.
11. The International Narcotics Control Board expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for the use of Ritalin in children.
12. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in drug thefts and is being abused by health professionals as well as street addicts.
Since Adderall and Dexadrine are amphetamines, could on conclude the above statements would also be true of them?
1998 National Institutes of Health Conference on ADHD
Report Summary
■ No valid, independent, consistent test available
■ No data indicating it is a brain dysfunction
■ Drugs don't normalize all behaviors
■ Kids on drugs still have higher level of behavior problems
■ Kids on drugs show little improvement in academic
and social skills
■ No information on treatment for more than one year
■ High doses of drugs cause hypertension, nervous and cardiovascular systems damage
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Nutritional Facts
Vitamin A (Beta Carotene): Aids Memory, Learning. A study in mice suggests that vitamin A plays an important role in learning and memory, a finding that researchers say underscores concerns about vitamin A deficiency in some 190 million children throughout the world. December issue of the Journal Neuron as quoted in Jan 08 (Reuters Health.)
Thiamine: When patients with evidence of thiamine deficiency were supplemented, their behavior improved. Lonsdale D, Shamberger R, Am J Chin Nutr 33(2):205-1 1, 1980.
Niacin (vitamin B3): Supplementation may be helpful for the symptoms of hyperactivity, deteriorating school performance, perceptual changes and inability to acquire or maintain social relationships. Hoffer, A, Vitamin B3 Dependent Child, Schizophrenia, 3:107-113, 1971.
Pyridoxine (vitamin B6): Was found to be more effective than methylphenidate (Ritalin) in treating a group of hyperactive children in a double-blind, crossover study. A Preliminary Study of the Effect of Pyridoxine
Administration to a Subgroup of Hyperkinetic children: A Double-blind, crossover Comparison with Methylphenidate, Coleman, et al, Bid. Psychiatry, Vol. 14, No. 5, 1979, pp. 741-751.
When B6 Pyridoxine was given to hyperactive children with low blood serotonin levels, their hyperactivity disappeared and serotonin levels returned to normal. The effect of pyridoxine hydrochloride on blood serotonin and pyridoxal phosphate contents in hyperactive children, Pediatrics, 55:437-41, 1975.
Magnesium: Deficiency in children is characterized by excessive fidgeting, anxious, restlessness, psychomotor instability and learning difficulties in presence of normal IQ. Clinical Aspects of Chronic Magnesium Deficiency, Seelig, Mildred, Magnesium in Health and Disease, Spectrum Publishing, 1980.
Calcium: Hyperactivity may be due to calcium deficiency and may improve on supplementation. Drugging the American Child, Walker S.J. Learn. Disabil, 8:354, 1975
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (Flax Oil): A greater number of behavior problems assessed by the Connor’s Rating Scale, temper tantrums and sleep problems were reported in boys age 6-12 with lower total omega-3 fatty acid concentrations. Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Boys with Behavior, Learning and Health Problems, Stevens, et al, Physiology and Behavior, 1996
DMAE: a neurotransmitter precursor, has been used to improve behaviors, mental concentration, puzzle solving ability and organization(J.Pediatrics,1958).
DHA: is an omega-3 Fatty Acid that is necessary for brain development and functioning. DHA may improve mood and memory and deficient levels correlate with behavioral problems in children. DHA is found in breast milk and is necessary for optimal development of the eyes and the brain.
Zinc: Association suggested between zinc deficiency and ADHD. Serum zinc levels in ADHD group were significantly lower than controls, Zinc Deficiency in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Toren, et al,
Biol. Psychiatry, 1996;40:1308-1310.
Zinc deficiency may make children irritable, tearful, sullen and have gaze aversion, Moyna han, Zinc Deficiency and Disturbances of Mood and Visula Behavior, Lancet, 1:91, 1976.
Sucrose: may cause a ten times increase in adrenaline levels in children resulting in difficulty concentrating, irritability and anxiety. Jones, Tim, Borg W. et al, Journal of Pediatrics, Vol 1, 126 (2) Feb 1995, pp. 171 -177.
Sucrose: may cause increase in inappropriate behavior and decrement in performance. Journal of Abnormal Child Psych. 1986 14(4):565-77.
Sucrose: Overly aggressive behavior may be associated with elevated sugar intake. Schauss, A., Diet, Crime and Delinquency, Parker House, 1980.
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So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence? ::) Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that a child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.
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So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence? ::) Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.
i agree they overmedicate.
But for some with severe depression or OCD, SSRIs can improve the standard of life greatly
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your gf's body is adjusting to weightlifting and therefore she is tired. after a while though she will start producing extra test and one day will show up with a strap-on and pound you in the ass.
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I'd believe Onlyme is closest to the truth.
Depression + working out + no booty for you = some other dude tapping the ass.
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I'd believe Onlyme is closest to the truth.
Depression + working out + no booty for you = some other dude tapping the ass.
There is a 'plus' side to it.
You're sad.
But she's happier, and some other guy (or group of guys) is happier too.
In the Utilitarian sense of things, the sum of their happiness is greater than your pain.
Damn you, Thomas Payne.
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Just find another girl.
There's no cooter shortage.
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Just find another girl.
There's no cooter shortage.
Best post of the entire thread. DTB = Dump That B*tch. The kid is probably to young to have a steady gf anyway. He needs to be out hitting everything that walks. ;D
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The women here won't tell him the obvious truth.
The Sisterhood has a code of silence. :)
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You gotta use turn on words when your with your chick. Like "f**k Pig!" "Howl Skank!"
FINALLY, a man witht the plan
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Her sex drive didn't drop. She is poking some other guy(s) at the gym and her pussy is worn out by the time she sees you. The only alternative is you get her first thing in the morning. Then the guys at the gym will get sloopy seconds.
yeah, then the trick will be on the guys at the gym, you'll win. Poor guys doing her in the tanning bed will get sloppy seconds..
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My girlfriend has been training consistently for a couple months now, and I'm sad to say her sex drive has dropped. Is this a side effect and what may cause this?
No, maybe she found other dudes at the gym and is having more sex than ever, just NOT with you, sorry bro ;D :D ;)...what gym does she train at?
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Here’s what I find interesting… How is it that the package inserts for Phychiatric Drugs and the PDR lists side effects that are even worse that the symptoms they are supposed to be “curing”. I suppose that there were no valid scientific studies conducted that lead to the necessity of these statements, right? Some things just make a reasonable person go… hmmm.
Side effects rarely happen if used correctly.
Hell..Accutane has HUNDREDS of major side effects..I've been using for a half of a year. I haven't had ANY side effects.
Ritalin: depression, chronic abuse can lead to tolerance and psychic dependency with varying degrees of abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes can occur. Patients with agitation may react adversely. CBC and platelet count (lab work) are advised. Long-term affects have not been established.
Cardiac side effects: necrotizing vasculitis, thrombocytopenia purpura, blood pressure and pulse changes, rapid heart beat, cardiac arrhythmia, angina.
Adderall: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, may exacerbate behavior disturbances and thought disorders, and psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic use of amphetamines.
Dexedrine: Amphetamine with high potential for abuse, controlled substance, may lead to drug dependence, psychotic episodes.
Cardiac side effects: palpitations, rapid heartbeat, hypertension, cardiomyopathy with chronic amphetamine use.
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI)
Prozac: Anxiety, restlessness, mania/hypomania, seizures, suicide, impaired judgment, agitation, amnesia, confusion, emotional lability, apathy, depersonalization, hallucinations, hostility, paranoid reaction, personality disorder, delusions.
Cardiac side effects: hemorrhage, hypertension, angina, arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attack, rapid heart beat, atrial fibrillation, cerebral embolism, heart block.
Zoloft: Mania/hypomania, suicide, agitation, anxiety, emotional lability, apathy, paranoid reactions, hallucinations, aggressive reactions, delusions, illusion.
Cardiac side effects: heart palpitations, chest pain, hypertension, rapid heartbeat, dizziness, syncope, fluid retention, heart attack.
Paxil: Mania/hypomania, impaired judgment, agitation, depression, anxiety, drugged feeling, depersonalization, amnesia, emotional lability, abnormal thinking, hallucinations, lack of emotion, hostility, manic reaction, neurosis, paranoid reaction, antisocial reaction, delirium, delusions, drug dependence, stupor.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope; EKG abnormalities, angina, heart attack.
Luvox: mania, apathy, amnesia, delusions, depersonalization, drug dependence, emotional lability, hostility, paranoid reaction, and phobia.
Cardiac side effects: hypertension, rapid heartbeat, syncope, angina, heart failure, and heart attack.
OTHER DRUGS
Catapres: Adult high blood pressure drug: delirium, mental depression, visual and auditory hallucinations, restlessness, anxiety, agitation, irritability, other behavioral changes, drowsiness.
Cardiac side-effects: congestive heart failure, cerebrovascular accident (stroke), EKG abnormalities, arrhythmias, chest pain, syncope, high blood pressure, rapid heartbeat and palpitations.
Wellbutrin: Agitation, anxiety, restlessness, delusions, hallucinations, psychotic episodes, confusion, paranoia, mania, seizures, hostility, depression, depersonalization, mood instability, thought disorder, suicidal ideation.
Cardiac side effects: edema, chest pain, EKG abnormalities, shortness of breath, heart attack.
Norpramine: Psychiatric disturbances, seizures, anxiety, hallucinations, restlessness, agitation, nightmares, insomnia, confusion, tremors.
Cardiac side effects: Sudden death in children, heart attack, heart block, stroke, arrhythmias, rapid heart rate.
Again...These side effects are extremly rare. The VAST MAJORITY of users never even experience side effects while taking the drugs and if they do they are extremly minor.
The drug producers list all side effects hypothetical or not. 99.9% of the time a user won't have any side effects while using these drugs.
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1. On May 25, 1997 18-year-old Jeremy Strohmeyer raped and murdered a 7-year-old African American girl in Las Vegas, Nevada. Strohmeyer had been diagnosed with ADD and prescribed Dexedrine, a Ritalin-like drug, immediately prior to the killing.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!
Prove Ritalin caused him to kill her.
2. On October 1, 1997, in Pearl Mississippi, 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, 50-year-old Mary Woodham, to death and then went to his high school where he shot nine people, killing two teenage girls and wounding seven others. Published reports say he was on Prozac.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!
3. Exactly two months later on Dec 1, 1997, Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed. Carneal was reportedly on Ritalin.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Fallacy!
4. Then in February 1998, a young man in Huntsville, Alabama on Ritalin went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
5. On March 24, 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. According to one report, the boys were believed to be on Ritalin.
6. Two months later another grisly school massacre occurred. On May 21, 1998 15-year-old Kip Kinkel of Springfield, Oregon murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
7. On April 16, 1999, 15-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho took a 12-gauge shot gun to school and started firing, injuring one student and holding the school hostage for about 20 minutes. Terrified students ran for their lives, some barricading themselves in classrooms. Cooper had been taking Ritalin when he fired the shotgun's rounds.
8. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing himself. Harris was on one of the SSRI anti-depressants called Luvox.
9. A month later to the day, on May 20, 1999 T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old high school student in Conyers, Georgia, on Ritalin(r), opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates. Thankfully, none were killed.
10. Fourteen-year-old Rod Mathews who had been prescribed Ritalin(r) since the third grade beat a classmate to death with a bat.
11. Nineteen-year-old James Wilson, who had been on psychiatric drugs for 5 years, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school in Breenwood, South Carolina, killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
According to national news reports in January 1999, ten days after Ryan Ehlis, a college student in Bismark, North Dakota, began taking Adderall to control his attention deficit disorder and to help him with his college studies, he slipped into a psychotic fog and killed his infant daughter. He said God told him to do it. The courts found him innocent after testimony by a psychiatrist and by the manufacturer of the drug that the "psychotic state" was a very rare side effect of Adderall use.
Fallacy..Fallacy..Fallac y..Fallacy..Fallacy..Fal lacy....
Violence and School shootings occur ALL OF THE TIME! Just because a few of the killers happened to be taking a drug prior to the crime does NOT prove the drug caused it anymore than them brushing their teeth prior to a crime proves brushing their teeth caused it.
So let's assume that these drugs did cause tese crimes..EXTREMLY RARE but let's assume it for shits and giggles..
EVEN SO that does NOT negate it's use as a medication to treat mental disorders. A few people having major side effects and commiting crimes does not negate it's medical use anymore than people dying due to surgery negates surgery as a medical procedure.
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U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995
Methylphenidate (Ritalin®) - Overview
1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine and other stimulants.
2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like reinforcing effects including increased rate of euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing effects.
3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with cocaine and amphetamines.
4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered preference studies in non-human primates.
5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and reinforcing effects
similar to amphetamines.
6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in scientific studies.
7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine reported higher levels of drug dependence than those who had not used Ritalin.
8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in occurrence and is accurately described as producing severe dependence. Sweden removed Ritalin from its market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.
9. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than those taking it medically prescribed.
Side-effects of Ritalin: increased blood pressure, heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior, paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors, heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and death
10. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the same as those with attention and behavior problems. Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.
CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin. CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant that is not associated with abuse or serious side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent with scientific literature.
11. The International Narcotics Control Board expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for the use of Ritalin in children.
12. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in drug thefts and is being abused by health professionals as well as street addicts.
Since Adderall and Dexadrine are amphetamines, could on conclude the above statements would also be true of them?
1998 National Institutes of Health Conference on ADHD
Report Summary
■ No valid, independent, consistent test available
■ No data indicating it is a brain dysfunction
■ Drugs don't normalize all behaviors
■ Kids on drugs still have higher level of behavior problems
■ Kids on drugs show little improvement in academic
and social skills
■ No information on treatment for more than one year
■ High doses of drugs cause hypertension, nervous and cardiovascular systems damage
All of this info comes from a Bias source that took everything the NIH stated out of context...The NIH actually conclued absolutely opposite of what you just posted.
http://www.ritalindeath.com/ADHD-Report-Summary.htm
^Bias source that took it out of context..
Actuall conclusions...
"Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or ADHD is a commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder of childhood that represents a costly major public health problem. Children with ADHD have pronounced impairments and can experience long-term adverse effects on academic performance, vocational success, and social-emotional development which have a profound impact on individuals, families, schools, and society. Despite progress in the assessment, diagnosis, and treatment of ADHD, this disorder and its treatment have remained controversial, especially the use of psychostimulants for both short- and long-term treatment.
Although an independent diagnostic test for ADHD does not exist, there is evidence supporting the validity of the disorder. Further research is needed on the dimensional aspects of ADHD, as well as the comorbid (coexisting) conditions present in both childhood and adult forms.
Studies (primarily short term, approximately 3 months), including randomized clinical trials, have established the efficacy of stimulants and psychosocial treatments for alleviating the symptoms of ADHD and associated aggressiveness and have indicated that stimulants are more effective than psychosocial therapies in treating these symptoms. Because of the lack of consistent improvement beyond the core symptoms and the paucity of long-term studies (beyond 14 months), there is a need for longer term studies with drugs and behavioral modalities and their combination. Although trials are under way, conclusive recommendations concerning treatment for the long term cannot be made presently.
There are wide variations in the use of psychostimulants across communities and physicians, suggesting no consensus regarding which ADHD patients should be treated with psychostimulants. These problems point to the need for improved assessment, treatment, and followup of patients with ADHD. A more consistent set of diagnostic procedures and practice guidelines is of utmost importance. Furthermore, the lack of insurance coverage preventing the appropriate diagnosis and treatment of ADHD and the lack of integration with educational services are substantial barriers and represent considerable long-term costs for society.
Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains largely speculative. Consequently, we have no documented strategies for the prevention of ADHD."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/adhd/nih.html
Nice Try! LMAO!
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So when did all these deficit disorders come into existence? ::) Oh yeah, when the drug companies made up a pill for them. It wasn't enough to say that a child had them, now adults do too. What a freakin joke. I know a girl who is in college and she told her Dr that she was stressed because she had to study all the time, he gave her Zoloft. Let me tell you that her problems have just begun. What a shame that this can be done. These Dr's are handing out drugs for any type of complaint left and right.
That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.
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That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.
Before ADD there was another drug that worked far better than Ritalin. It was called an ass-whoopin'. Many a misbehaving child has had good results with this drug.
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Before ADD there was another drug that worked far better than Ritalin. It was called an ass-whoopin'. Many a misbehaving child has had good results with this drug.
ADD is a mental problem just like a missing limb is a physical problem. Beating someone with ADD is about as effective as beating someone with a missing limb. It's archiac and ineffective.
You aren't smart enough to understand neurobiology so I won't explain it to you..But i'll put it in simple terms.
ADHD=Bad
Ritalin=Help
Get it?
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Ritalin worked really well for those kids at Columbine.
If their parents had taken responsibility and payed them some attention, maybe they wouldn't have been building bombs. Instead, they let a pill do the parenting. That's what most do.
I'm not arguing that true ADD doesn't exist, but it's a very overused term. Take a break from cutting and paste, then talk to a real parent. What you'll find out is that in some elementary schools almost 25% of kids are on Ritalin. There's no way 25% of kids have ADD in America. Until there was Ritalin, ADD was almost unheard of.
Except for extreme cases..... when there is a behavoir problem, look at the parenting.
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this thread is making me depressed...
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Just be her "Friend" don't dump her while she is down
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Just be her "Friend" don't dump her while she is down
LOL!
Believe it, he's been pre-dumped already. Any significant behavior change is the sign. Depressed, gym and no booty are all you need to know. It's over.
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Johnny Apollo... somehow I'm not at all surprised at your responses and ill fated attempts to discount my points stating fallacy. Package inserts are there for a reason. So are the warnings at the end of a commercial. Take Wellbutrin as example an “anti-depressant”. The warning at the end of the television commercial states that it could cause feelings of suicide.
Ludicrous… simply ludicrous.
Keep your misguided self-serving beliefs. I’m certainly not going to attempt to change your stance. You have done or said nothing to change mine. I’ve given valid literature to which you’ve attempted in vain to discount. We’re all adults here and can make our own choices. And long as the psychiatric community doesn’t imbed it’s way into our government, we’ll all still have that freedom. I’ve made my choice and you’ve made your choice.
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LOL!
Believe it, he's been pre-dumped already. Any significant behavior change is the sign. Depressed, gym and no booty are all you need to know. It's over.
Almost a certainty she's getting it elsewhere... dump the b*tch and find 10 more.
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I may be old-skool, but back in the day if your girl is getting herself back into shape and is not into the horizontal mombo with you, she's waxing the carrot somewhere else junior.
By the way, maybe he's not ADD, maybe he's just STUPID. Amazing how nobody has low intelligence anymore, they just have some three letter syndrome and a drug addiction for being Fkn STUPID. LOL!!!!!
She's a cheatin bitch, and he's STUPID.......There you have it and i dont even have a doctorate!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's absolutely false...These mental disorders symptoms have been documented for hundreds of years. They have been here but we just didn't know what they were or how to help them. Now we have much better ways of helping people who have these mental disorders.
So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.
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So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.
No he’s not in the dark… he is deeply imbedded in the psychiatric industry and feels his income being threatened by the truth.
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Johnny Apollo... somehow I'm not at all surprised at your responses and ill fated attempts to discount my points stating fallacy. Package inserts are there for a reason. So are the warnings at the end of a commercial. Take Wellbutrin as example an “anti-depressant”. The warning at the end of the television commercial states that it could cause feelings of suicide.
Ill fated? How so? Explain.
Anti-Depressants RARELY cause suicidal feelings. Side effects are RARE but must be listed for medical purposes. It's a balance between curing symptoms and having side effects and 99.9% of the time it's better to cure the symptoms.
Keep your misguided self-serving beliefs. I’m certainly not going to attempt to change your stance. You have done or said nothing to change mine. I’ve given valid literature to which you’ve attempted in vain to discount. We’re all adults here and can make our own choices. And long as the psychiatric community doesn’t imbed it’s way into our government, we’ll all still have that freedom. I’ve made my choice and you’ve made your choice.
Self serving? Try Simply "Serving". Millions suffer from mental disorders and millions are helped majorly by modern science and medication. Without it they would SUFFER everyday. But it's easy for YOU to discount their medication when you don't suffer from their illness. It's absurd..It's like some healthy person criticizing ChemoTherapy to someone who has Cancer "Ohh,But you'll go bald and get sick! It's not worth it!" ::)
Secondly EVERYTHING you posted was either a fallacy or completly false and I demonstrated how. You Copied and pasted from crazy "anti psychiatry" websites which took the statements of the NIH and twisted them all around..This I demonstrated perfectly.
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So not paying attention is a documented illness?? You are so in the dark it's sad.
Not paying attention isn't a documented illness. Try looking up the symptoms of ADHD/ADD before spouting off your bullshit. Do some RESEARCH! It's not that hard.
Not being able to pay attention in everyday life is a SYMPTOM of ADD however not the only symptom.
Symptoms include but are not limited to..
A sense of underachievement, of not meeting one's goals (regardless of how much one has actually accomplished).
Difficulty getting organized.
Chronic procrastination or trouble getting started.
Many projects going simultaneously; trouble with follow through.
A tendency to say what comes to mind without necessarily considering the timing or appropriateness of the remark.
A frequent search for high stimulation.
An intolerance of boredom.
Easy distractibility; trouble focusing attention, tendency to tune out or drift away in the middle of a page or conversation, often coupled with an inability to focus at times.
Often creative, intuitive, highly intelligent.
Trouble in going through established channels and following "proper" procedure.
Impatient; low tolerance of frustration.
Impulsive, either verbally or in action, as an impulsive spending of money.
Changing plans, enacting new schemes or career plans and the like; hot-tempered.
A tendency to worry needlessly, endlessly; a tendency to scan the horizon looking for something to worry about, alternating with attention to or disregard for actual dangers.
A sense of insecurity.
Mood swings, mood instability, especially when disengaged from a person or a project.
Physical or cognitive restlessness.
A tendency toward addictive behavior.
Chronic problems with self-esteem.
Inaccurate self-observation.
Family history of AD/HD or manic depressive illness or depression or substance abuse or other disorders of impulse control or mood.
From someone with ADHD...
...It's like being super-charged all the time. You get one idea and you have to act on it, and then, what do you know, but you've got another idea before you've finished up with the first one, and so you go for that one, but of course a third idea intercepts the second, and you just have to follow that one, and pretty soon people are calling you disorganized and impulsive and all sorts of impolite words that miss the point completely. Because you're trying really hard. It's just that you have all these invisible vectors pulling you this way and that, which makes it really hard to stay on task.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention-deficit_disorder
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max rep and disgusted are two immature idiots who think they can cure everything in their life by themselves. The problem is that they dont understand most of the time they cured their own disorders because of the people who were helping em. And that's the only purpose of psychatry: someone 's here to hear you , talk with you and suggest you how to get better, find solutions,when you re totally knocked out and blinded by your problems.When your loved ones are unable to help you.
Sure most people with a minimum of Will will be able to overcome the difficulties they meet in their life. But at some points, for some reasons, you just can't handle the shit, and you need the other's help.
Let's just hope you two clowns will never know what some people have had to overcome.
Because it look like you would fail to find a way to overcome these majors troubles , since you wouldnt consider that people around you could help you.
It's hard to say it, but sometimes, you need the others, because you just can' t handle it alone.
That's how nature works, how animals do it, how we do it, and you must be really stupid to think you re better than others individuals, or animals.
You re just not really aware of what makes your life working fine.
It's not you, it's you and the others surrounding you.
Maybe one day you will understand. But this day, you will think "damn, i cant stand it, i just cant get it anymore, nobody CAN help me since i m powerless facing my troubles, so all i can do is die"
That's what happen when you think you re superman for too long.
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what's the point of this hijacked thread anyways?
People who need help because they just cant go ahead anymore at some point in their lifes, need the help of the others.period.Whoevers says he never needed anyone is a liar, a moron.
Sure some people sometimes overcome deep troubles alone, but they are changed, they are psychologically far more affected and hurt than any other person who has loved ones surrounding him by these times of troubles.
In the end they are far more prone to get psychological traumas than any other individual who s able to take the troubles easier with the support of people helping and loving em.
It means that sooner or later, those who have had very bad experiences and overcame them alone, will have to face these troubles coming back in their life. Because they didnt really fought their troubles, they just forgot em, or put em in a dark area of their mind, because it was just too much for em to stand. But these troubles are still here, and one day they ll make a comeback ruing people's lifes when they thought they were "unbrekable".
There's nothign worst.
That's why you'd better think that yes, one day, maybe you ll have to let someone help you. If you dont, this day you couldnt be able to accept this help from these people, and you could this way destroy yourself once for all, and destroy your last chance to survive.
Loved ones when they are ABLE to hear you, psychiatrists when you and your loved ones fail to give the attention you need to understand why you re failing, why you re reproducing things living in a vicious circle.
Psychiatrists are in my book, "friends" you can rent when you need em.
And they re even better than any friends, cause they know what to tell you and when, they re not blinded by personnal/familial links and most em really acquire a deep understanding of the human nature after some years of practice.
You just can't say you can cure everything by yourself, or will always be able to do so.
Some people say that because they don't see what really allow em to feel happy and secure.
They need reality check.
Im not saying here you cant be confident, and that confident people are liars.
I just mean that some people are confidents for the good reasons, and some others are confident for the bad reasons.
You can be confident when you spent years fighting your way trough life with your girlfirend/wife, when you overcame your own disabilities thanks to the help of those who truly loves you, all in all you canb e confident when you have a real and hard as rock base of relationships including people who really cares about you.
The bad confidence is when you builded yourself a false confidence in yourself, and this caracterizes a lot of egoistical, lonely and self centered people.
They are prone to face reality one day, and prone to not be able to stand it.
They are prone to see that they cant handle life alone, just with their self confidence.
At the oposite, people who are truly loved and who truly loves people surrounding em, are constantly living in the truth, and are prone to make the best choices and handle troubles with more wiseness.
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As usual, a few people have to make every thread about them.
What does ADD have to do with homeboy's girl getting some strange dick?
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As usual, a few people have to make every thread about them.
What does ADD have to do with homeboy's girl getting some strange dick?
Some questions may never be answered...But I prefer to imagine a better tomorrow. Free of side walks and filled with phone books.
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