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Ben Carson to tell supporters he sees no ‘path forward’ for campaign [will not debate]
Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who briefly led the Republican presidential race before his campaign began an extended public implosion, will tell his supporters in a statement Wednesday afternoon that he does not see a "path forward" and will not attend Thursday's debate in Detroit, according to two Republicans familiar with his plans.
Carson, however, will not formally suspend his campaign. Instead, the Republicans said, he has decided to make a speech about his political future on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland, just outside of Washington.
But the announcement will serve as an acknowledgment that Carson's candidacy is all but over following a disappointing showing in the 11 states that held contests on Tuesday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
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Looking towards that possible soon-to-be vacant Florida Senate seat.
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FINALLY THANK GOD
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It should benefit Cruz the most.
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It must be really confusing for Carson's supporters that Jesus didn't come through for them on this one
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Ben Carson to tell supporters he sees no ‘path forward’ for campaign [will not debate]
Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who briefly led the Republican presidential race before his campaign began an extended public implosion, will tell his supporters in a statement Wednesday afternoon that he does not see a "path forward" and will not attend Thursday's debate in Detroit, according to two Republicans familiar with his plans.
Carson, however, will not formally suspend his campaign. Instead, the Republicans said, he has decided to make a speech about his political future on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland, just outside of Washington.
But the announcement will serve as an acknowledgment that Carson's candidacy is all but over following a disappointing showing in the 11 states that held contests on Tuesday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
Good decision. He should run for the FL senate seat.
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Good decision. He should run for the FL senate seat.
there's a big prescription drug problem in florida. I think carson would do well here.
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there's a big prescription drug problem in florida. I think carson would do well here.
Maybe he treats compulsive liars. He might be able to help you.
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Maybe he treats compulsive liars. He might be able to help you.
only a liberal would defend the constantly-stoned Carson.
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only a liberal would defend the constantly-stoned Carson.
Only a screwball would continue to engage me, when all I do is mock him, for like ten years already. Get a life son. :) lol
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This idiot still will not suspend his campaign....what the hell.
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Good decision. He should run for the FL senate seat.
Why? What qualifications does Ben Carson have to run for any public office? He demonstrated a weak grasp of policy, a juvenile understanding of the issues, had consistently poor performances at the debates coupled with the energy level of a comatose patient and generally came across as a stoned deer unmovingly fixated on the headlights of a speeding freight train.
He may choose to run for the Florida Senate seat, although I hope he reads the writing on the wall, and chooses to run for spot on his HOA board. If he does run for the Senate, I predict he'll get just as creamed and end up served as the early-bird special.
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Why? What qualifications does Ben Carson have to run for any public office? He demonstrated a weak grasp of policy, a juvenile understanding of the issues, had consistently poor performances at the debates coupled with the energy level of a comatose patient and generally came across as a stoned deer unmovingly fixated on the headlights of a speeding freight train.
He may choose to run for the Florida Senate seat, although I hope he reads the writing on the wall, and chooses to run for spot on his HOA board. If he does run for the Senate, I predict he'll get just as creamed and end up served as the early-bird special.
I watched a town hall interview the other day where he talked extensively about policy (including foreign policy) and sounded very good. I thought his debate performances were good, even with the limited time they gave him to speak. And his qualifications to be a senator include his incredibly successful career, intelligence, temperament, integrity, ideas, and the fact he is from outside the beltway. He is precisely the kind of person who should be involved in public policy, as opposed to career politicians who are really detached from the people.
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Why? What qualifications does Ben Carson have to run for any public office? He demonstrated a weak grasp of policy, a juvenile understanding of the issues, had consistently poor performances at the debates coupled with the energy level of a comatose patient and generally came across as a stoned deer unmovingly fixated on the headlights of a speeding freight train.
He may choose to run for the Florida Senate seat, although I hope he reads the writing on the wall, and chooses to run for spot on his HOA board. If he does run for the Senate, I predict he'll get just as creamed and end up served as the early-bird special.
LOL
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I watched a town hall interview the other day where he talked extensively about policy (including foreign policy) and sounded very good. I thought his debate performances were good, even with the limited time they gave him to speak. And his qualifications to be a senator include his incredibly successful career, intelligence, temperament, integrity, ideas, and the fact he is from outside the beltway. He is precisely the kind of person who should be involved in public policy, as opposed to career politicians who are really detached from the people.
His career as a surgeon prepares him to hold office in what way?
Intelligence? Does not equate into experience.
Temperament? Rather lack of. The man was sleep walking through his whole campaign.
Integrity? Being a proven (and lousy) compulsive liar isn't exactly contributing to his integrity at all.
Ideas? Tithing for taxes? Obamacare is slavery? Prison makes people gay? US is like Nazi Germany? There may not be a 2016 election? Perhaps God can give him some good ideas to use, like he claims he did to pass his college chemistry final.
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Good riddance Ben.
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It must be really confusing for Carson's supporters that Jesus didn't come through for them on this one
I still hate you but I LOL'ed at this one ;D
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From Ace of Spades...sums up Carson
Well, he is a decent man, and had a lot of conservative instincts. However, it became very clear very quickly that he was unwilling to use his med-school-days cramming skills to become fluent in the vocabulary and principles of conservative agitation.
Which is too bad, because he had the thing that can't be taught -- likability, gravitas, personal attractiveness.
I'm a poor student myself (bright, but a terrible student), but I still don't understand these guys who run for president without spending a month paying a few guys to brief them and tutor them.
And it would only take that long. It would take ten thousand dollars (nothing money for a presidential candidate) and a month, or six weeks. Congressional candidates have to bone up, after all, when they make the leap from local/state politics to national politics.
They're not geniuses, for God's sake. And yet they've either done some reading, or have gone through some kind of briefing boot-camp.
The only possible explanation for this failure to do basic homework, I think, is ego.
People don't learn unless they think there's something worth learning.
I always had this fear, and said so over two years ago on the podcast, that what could hold Ben Carson back was the God Complex that top surgeons have. He would look at politics and scoff at having to do any reading, figuring, "It can't be brain surgery."
That's a very tempting thing to say, when your specialty is brain surgery, and brain surgery is used in everyday idioms to mean "something fantastically difficult to master."
But just because politics is a hell of a lot less intellectually demanding than brain surgery doesn't mean it's not intellectually demanding at all.
Given that Ben Carson is the world's top practitioner of a field synonymous with "extremely high intellectual challenge," there is no doubt he had the ability to become a policy whiz.
What he lacked was the desire to do so, or the realization that he had need of doing so.
I just don't get it. I just don't get it. I don't get why anyone goes into a field completely outside their range of training and daily experience and says, egotistically, "I'll just figure all of this out on the fly."
Well, you could. You could go through the trial and error process and figuring out everything iteratively through failure and correction.
Or, you could take advantage of the miracle of Books, in which the experience and thinking of other men is available to you for the cost of a week's reading.
See, the technology of writing means that we do not have to figure out things on the fly anymore. I could figure out how to build a deck improvisationally and through my natural cleverness, or, maybe take that short-cut of reading a book about How to Build a Deck, written by people who have built decks before.
I will never get this, not until the day I die and an angel explains it to me.
I cannot say this enough: I am utterly baffled by guys like Carson and Trump (and Palin) who just say "Oh, reading is for geeks and cowards, I'll just use my personality and wit to bullshit my way through this until I get it all figured out."
This never works-- they never actually do get it all figured out.*
But anyway -- another colossal raw political talent, but alas undone by this figure-it-out-when-I-get there hubris.
* Maybe this is because they expect the learning process to take place in a sort of communal, supportive environment -- as in school.
The problem is, learning while running for office does not take place in a supportive environment. It takes place in the most mocking, hostile environment possible.
So when one makes a mistake, one is not encouraged to correct it. One is attacked mercilessly and hounded and humiliated. Making one very averse to ever venturing away from places of intellectual comfort (Drill baby drill, we'll be so tired of winning) ever again.
Update: Carson's actual position on whether he's out of the race or not is like all of his positions -- confused.
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I watched a town hall interview the other day where he talked extensively about policy (including foreign policy) and sounded very good. I thought his debate performances were good, even with the limited time they gave him to speak. And his qualifications to be a senator include his incredibly successful career, intelligence, temperament, integrity, ideas, and the fact he is from outside the beltway. He is precisely the kind of person who should be involved in public policy, as opposed to career politicians who are really detached from the people.
you're a terrible judge of character. you think carson has a great grasp on reality, you think rubio is the perfect conservative. You probably enjoy nasty kinds of ice cream too. pralines and whatnot.
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Yes, he may have figured that we all thought he "had it" due to the fact he's a surgeon. But he probably didn't know what to do after that point.
Working for a SuperPAC makes someone no better than an empty-suited actor, anyway, so not sure what's the bother.
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His career as a surgeon prepares him to hold office in what way?
Intelligence? Does not equate into experience.
Temperament? Rather lack of. The man was sleep walking through his whole campaign.
Integrity? Being a proven (and lousy) compulsive liar isn't exactly contributing to his integrity at all.
Ideas? Tithing for taxes? Obamacare is slavery? Prison makes people gay? US is like Nazi Germany? There may not be a 2016 election? Perhaps God can give him some good ideas to use, like he claims he did to pass his college chemistry final.
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Good riddance Ben.
I can tell you put a lot of thought into this.
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I watched a town hall interview the other day where he talked extensively about policy (including foreign policy) and sounded very good.
In every interview I've seen, his answers have been choppy and disjointed. Now it's possible that I missed the good ones. But it's also very unlikely. A knock-it-out-the-park performance would have made news.
I thought his debate performances were good, even with the limited time they gave him to speak.
I guess we weren't watching the same debates. Yes he got limited time, but the time he did get he didn't use effectively. Whoever did his debate prep did a horrible job. The questions were hardly unexpected and Carson should have been ready to give the perfect answer - an answer that had been honed and refined and had the unnecessary whittled away until only the pure essence remained. Instead we got rambling answers... delivered... in a slow... stunted... choppy... manner... from someone... half... asleep.
And his qualifications to be a senator include his incredibly successful career, intelligence, temperament, integrity, ideas, and the fact he is from outside the beltway. He is precisely the kind of person who should be involved in public policy, as opposed to career politicians who are really detached from the people.
I have no problem with people "outside the beltway" coming into politics because the people inside the beltway are, by and large, horrible. Now, as to the things you claim qualify him, I'll address them slightly out of order.
You say that his ideas qualify him. What ideas are those? I can't think of any, other than the principle of taxing based on the principle of tithing. Seriously. That's all I can think of, and it's a horrible idea. Name one policy idea that Carson has that's literally knock-your-socks-off great.
You say his temperament qualifies him. What temperant? Was he supposed to project "steady, careful and deliberate"? He doesn't need to have "ferret on double cappucino" levels of energy, and it's great to see someone who's in control of their emotions, but he came across as borderline comatose.
You talk about his successful career and his intelligence. Certainly Ben Carson was successful at his chosen profession which isn't easy, but he's hardly an intellectual giant, or someone whose success is unfathomable. If all it takes to become President is to have a successful career and be moderately smart then is Ben Carson the best we can do?
As for his integrity, I have no beef with Dr. Carson on this issue. I don't know him first hand, but I have no reason to doubt his sincerity and honesty. While those are both laudable attributes, they don't serve politicians - or those who seek to become politicians - well.
In my opinion, Ben Carson was poorly qualified to even run for President, let alone become President. And, for whatever it's worth, it's an opinion that the majority of those who voted so far seem to share.
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I can tell you put a lot of thought into this.
It's common sense really. Which is why I am not surprised you can't grasp it.
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It's common sense really. Which is why I am not surprised you can't grasp it.
Liberals don't have common sense. Hope this helps.
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Liberals don't have common sense. Hope this helps.
Did converted liberals like Trump suddenly develop common sense after 62 years of not having it? LOL!
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Liberals don't have common sense.
And non-liberals like you do?
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Liberals don't have common sense. Hope this helps.
Reality has a liberal basis. I can see why you struggle every day to cope with it.
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And non-liberals like you do?
Absolutely.
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Reality has a liberal basis. I can see why you struggle every day to cope with it.
Reality of what? Seriously. Like made up bullshit movements and protests? "Equality"? Economics that make little to zero sense? Feel free to add to it.
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Did converted liberals like Trump suddenly develop common sense after 62 years of not having it? LOL!
Again, aligning me with Trump. But what most of the things he says does make sense. He's just full of shit and I don't trust him. Liberals like yourself know he's a dem thats why he's also appealing to libs. He's a con artist but not nearly as bad as Obama.
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It's common sense really. Which is why I am not surprised you can't grasp it.
No, it was gibberish. High school quality. And note I didn't call it "mindless" gibberish, because I think you really did make an effort.
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No, it was gibberish. High school quality. And note I didn't call it "mindless" gibberish, because I think you really did make an effort.
Confusing facts with gibberish seems to be a fundie trait. I can see you struggling with that post more than Carson struggled with his campaign. Which is saying a lot. But no surprise from either of you.
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In every interview I've seen, his answers have been choppy and disjointed. Now it's possible that I missed the good ones. But it's also very unlikely. A knock-it-out-the-park performance would have made news.
I guess we weren't watching the same debates. Yes he got limited time, but the time he did get he didn't use effectively. Whoever did his debate prep did a horrible job. The questions were hardly unexpected and Carson should have been ready to give the perfect answer - an answer that had been honed and refined and had the unnecessary whittled away until only the pure essence remained. Instead we got rambling answers... delivered... in a slow... stunted... choppy... manner... from someone... half... asleep.
I have no problem with people "outside the beltway" coming into politics because the people inside the beltway are, by and large, horrible. Now, as to the things you claim qualify him, I'll address them slightly out of order.
You say that his ideas qualify him. What ideas are those? I can't think of any, other than the principle of taxing based on the principle of tithing. Seriously. That's all I can think of, and it's a horrible idea. Name one policy idea that Carson has that's literally knock-your-socks-off great.
You say his temperament qualifies him. What temperant? Was he supposed to project "steady, careful and deliberate"? He doesn't need to have "ferret on double cappucino" levels of energy, and it's great to see someone who's in control of their emotions, but he came across as borderline comatose.
You talk about his successful career and his intelligence. Certainly Ben Carson was successful at his chosen profession which isn't easy, but he's hardly an intellectual giant, or someone whose success is unfathomable. If all it takes to become President is to have a successful career and be moderately smart then is Ben Carson the best we can do?
As for his integrity, I have no beef with Dr. Carson on this issue. I don't know him first hand, but I have no reason to doubt his sincerity and honesty. While those are both laudable attributes, they don't serve politicians - or those who seek to become politicians - well.
In my opinion, Ben Carson was poorly qualified to even run for President, let alone become President. And, for whatever it's worth, it's an opinion that the majority of those who voted so far seem to share.
Yes we have a different take on his debate performances. I didn't say he had a "knock-it-out-the-park performance." He did a good job.
I like his ideas about the size and role of government, his attempt to give more power to people instead of the power brokers in D.C., his tax ideas, etc. And I have no problem with a flat tax. Who cares if he got the idea from tithing? Big deal. It's still sound. Plenty of candidates push a flat tax.
His temperament is great. He doesn't get rattled. He doesn't get down in the mud and lose his cool. He always sounds like he is under control. You may not think those qualities are important. I do. Especially for a leader.
Overall, keep in mind he was drafted to run for office. He came into this process with zero political experience, very little name recognition (despite being one of the most successful neurosurgeons in world history), and made himself a presidential contender in a matter of months. He had a steep learning curve and did pretty darn well when you put things in context IMO.
I don't know what he plans to do going forward, but he should stay involved. We need people like him, particularly people of integrity.
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Confusing facts with gibberish seems to be a fundie trait. I can see you struggling with that post more than Carson struggled with his campaign. Which is saying a lot. But no surprise from either of you.
Lurker you're an immature moron. A social misfit who struggles to communicate on an adult level. But good effort trying to engage. Keep trying.
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Your fact dodging skills need work. "Keep trying".
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Absolutely.
when you were a liberal/clinton supporter in 92... you lacked common sense, right?
I didn't know common sense was someone one could magically develop overnight. What year did you develop it?
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Your fact dodging skills need work. "Keep trying".
And you're a simpleton. You have a limited vocabulary. You have a limited number of insults. When people engage and challenge you, you start quoting yourself. In lieu of quoting yourself, you copy the person who is challenging you. And you always insult people. You're a friggin insecure dummy.
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And you're a simpleton. You have a limited vocabulary. You have a limited number of insults. When people engage and challenge you, you start quoting yourself. In lieu of quoting yourself, you copy the person who is challenging you. And you always insult people. You're a friggin insecure dummy.
Your struggle is real. Jesus is not going to fix it.
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Your struggle is real. Jesus is not going to fix it.
And in my final admittedly personal insult of the day: you are a punk of the highest order. You spend the bulk of your time on this board insulting people. You make very personal comments about folks like Coach. You talk about people's mother. The kind of comments you'd never make to his face. Someone needs to punch you in the mouth. Seriously.
Ok. I'm done. Have a great day. :)
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when you were a liberal/clinton supporter in 92... you lacked common sense, right?
I didn't know common sense was someone one could magically develop overnight. What year did you develop it?
I was never a liberal. And yes, I had hardly any sense back then and really care about politics. No, I didn't even vote.
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when you were a liberal/clinton supporter in 92... you lacked common sense, right?
I didn't know common sense was someone one could magically develop overnight. What year did you develop it?
I always knew you couldn't financially survive if you're drowning in debt and avoided taking loans to pay off old debt. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that but liberals somehow have a hard time with it. Just to name one. Even a person with an MBA can figure that out....well, most.
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And in my final admittedly personal insult of the day: you are a punk of the highest order. You spend the bulk of your time on this board insulting people. You make very personal comments about folks like Coach. You talk about people's mother. The kind of comments you'd never make to his face. Someone needs to punch you in the mouth. Seriously.
Ok. I'm done. Have a great day. :)
Actually I would say those things to his face. Even if I had to bend my knees to do so.
Enjoy the rest of your day. :)
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Actually I would say those things to his face. Even if I had to bend my knees to do so.
Enjoy the rest of your day. :)
I would bet anything you wouldn't. Height makes NO difference.
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I would bet anything you wouldn't. Height makes NO difference.
Actually I would. Now you can believe that or you can deny it for your own reasons. Makes no difference to me.
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I was never a liberal. And yes, I had hardly any sense back then and really care about politics. No, I didn't even vote.
Swear on your life that you didn't vote for Clinton in 1992. Do it.
None of that vague "i don't remember" stuff. Many of us remember that posts and you can bet your ass the internet cache will show us the coach posts from 2004 and 2005.
Swear you didn't vote for Bill Clinton in 1992?
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I would bet anything you wouldn't. Height makes NO difference.
Of course he wouldn't. He's a keyboard warrior. Maybe he was bullied as a kid? Got beaten up for his lunch money? The internet is probably a good way for him to deal with being kicked around as a kid.
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Nice projections.
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Swear on your life that you didn't vote for Clinton in 1992. Do it.
None of that vague "i don't remember" stuff. Many of us remember that posts and you can bet your ass the internet cache will show us the coach posts from 2004 and 2005.
Swear you didn't vote for Bill Clinton in 1992?
Is this what you mean? Where is it that I said I voted for Clinton? and even if I did that was 24 years ago..lol. When did you turn full blown lib. I remember our first debates where you said you were a repub. All BS back then as well?
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Is this what you mean? Where is it that I said I voted for Clinton? and even if I did that was 24 years ago..lol. When did you turn full blown lib. I remember our first debates where you said you were a repub. All BS back then as well?
Not very convincing of you, Coach. Cut it out.
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Absolutely.
Forgive me, but with you being a birther – and being one long after the position had become untenable – you've forfeited any claims you might have had to common sense.
Not that common sense would do you any good even if you had it: you are a blind partisan and a low-quality mouthpiece, and the only difference between you and those you despise on the left is the scripts that your masters have you recite.
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Forgive me, but with you being a birther – and being one long after the position had become untenable – you've forfeited any claims you might have had to common sense.
Not that common sense would do you any good even if you had it: you are a blind partisan and a low-quality mouthpiece, and the only difference between you and those you despise on the left is the scripts that your masters have you recite.
Hahahaha.
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Is this what you mean? Where is it that I said I voted for Clinton? and even if I did
And even if you did? LOL You're telling us you dont know. That's something most here do not find believable. Most old-timers can tell you who they voted for fifty years ago. You're highly interested in politics and have posted many times about saving your soul in 97 and your past transgressions and how you were drawn under clinton's spell in 92 and quickly changed you political views right after that vote.
There it is. That says it all. You give a shit that Bill Ayers circle jerkes Obama 25 years ago, so yes, your vote after that is certainly relevant.
Just be real with us, admit who you voted for in 92. You remember ;)
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Ben Carson to tell supporters he sees no ‘path forward’ for campaign [will not debate]
Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who briefly led the Republican presidential race before his campaign began an extended public implosion, he started speaking will tell his supporters in a statement Wednesday afternoon that he does not see a "path forward" and will not attend Thursday's debate in Detroit, according to two Republicans familiar with his plans.
Carson, however, will not formally suspend his campaign. Instead, the Republicans said, he has decided to make a speech about his political future on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland, just outside of Washington.
But the announcement will serve as an acknowledgment that Carson's candidacy is all but over following a disappointing showing in the 11 states that held contests on Tuesday.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
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Remember when getbiggers believed Carson wasn't a stoned zealot with no touch with reality?
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Remember when getbiggers believed Carson wasn't a stoned zealot with no touch with reality?
With Carson not in the race - by all means and purposes - he can now devote his time to apprehending that Popeye's robber.
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Is this what you mean? Where is it that I said I voted for Clinton?
Right here, coach.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=204220.msg2813354#msg2813354