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Says the word "thug" is a racial code word and that Donald trump is using that word describing protestors to incite racism.
I love all people but people like this are more responsible for making people angry and making the divide bigger between races than anyone else.
Spouting this ridiculousness is getting people pissed off.
This shit is gonna backfire. I'm first born here and worked my ass off. I'm s minority. Im getting pissed at this spin and whining.
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I WONDER WHAT THE OPINION OF GETBIGGERS WILL BE ON THIS TOPIC!! I AM SURE IT WILL BE AN OPINION THAT IS NEW AND REFRESHING!!
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Apparently you can't say Ghetto either. So basically is the word "black" even allowed? Didn't Sarah Palin just call the protestor at the Trump rally a Punk ass Thug?
Also isn't the NAACP leader some whitey pretending to be black?
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Apparently you can't say Ghetto either. So basically is the word "black" even allowed? Didn't Sarah Palin just call the protestor at the Trump rally a Punk ass Thug?
Also isn't the NAACP leader some whitey pretending to be black?
What happened to that girl?
Did people ever accept her as a black individual?
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I WONDER WHAT THE OPINION OF GETBIGGERS WILL BE ON THIS TOPIC!! I AM SURE IT WILL BE AN OPINION THAT IS NEW AND REFRESHING!!
CALLING SOMEONE A THUG IS NOT RACIST, CUT THE JAZZ, SLIK!
fucking ridiculous. They are remaking the concepts of words now to make trump lose, the english language LOL. To me that makes trump look even better.
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I WONDER WHAT THE OPINION OF GETBIGGERS WILL BE ON THIS TOPIC!! I AM SURE IT WILL BE AN OPINION THAT IS NEW AND REFRESHING!!
slik will be going to a trump rally, he's believes in telling it like it is and cutting the PC talk.
only 20% of Trump Supports believe black people should be enslaved.
http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/
so slik is in the majority ;D
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To play on a variation of Piaf: Vous voyez la vie en noir, much?
Race is the NAACP's raison d'être, its main source of income, its corn bread and hoppin' John, as it were. I'm surprised they haven't yet called out scientists for coining 85% of the cosmos' unseen mass as 'Dark Matter.' That's physi(ra)cist, man!
Of course, in all seriousness, y'all know that the game being played by NAACP President and CEO Brooks (funny, he was an editor of the Yale Law Journal, but hasn't published any law review articles himself) and his ilk is the highjacking of semantics, namely, the semantic inversion of any word with even the most remote possibility of being tied to race. The Venerable Roger Bacon, Magister Archer, and I held an afternoon colloquium on the subject.
Ma' fellow and honorary Crackas, below was my contribution that day with regard to the C-Word.
So which term does Eminem use?
And which word would Rachel Dolezal empower, and to whom? Which would she disempower?
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I WONDER WHAT THE OPINION OF GETBIGGERS WILL BE ON THIS TOPIC!! I AM SURE IT WILL BE AN OPINION THAT IS NEW AND REFRESHING!!
please stop with this. If you don't like a thread, then don't post in it.
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Trump should immediately begin using "Dindu" and force it into the common vernacular.
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:)
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I WONDER WHAT THE OPINION OF GETBIGGERS WILL BE ON THIS TOPIC!! I AM SURE IT WILL BE AN OPINION THAT IS NEW AND REFRESHING!!
Hahahahaha I can't stop laughing at this.
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Trump should immediately begin using "Dindu" and force it into the common vernacular.
He'd probably get more votes using the N-word.
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slik will be going to a trump rally, he's believes in telling it like it is and cutting the PC talk.
only 20% of Trump Supports believe black people should be enslaved.
http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/
so slik is in the majority ;D
You provided the most vague article you could find. Now, can you actually find the stats that this article is quoting.. I suspect you can't, but then again, I haven't seen a single one of your posts backed by facts.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-pro-slavery/
Not that you will actually read that, or comprehend it, but that is what you are relying on for your evidence.
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Hahahahaha I can't stop laughing at this.
;D ;D ;D
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Iwantmass' facts won't help.
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Iwantmass' facts won't help.
Don't get me wrong, I suspect an abundance of racist whites support trump. That doesn't support the absurdity of Mr turbo's weak link, nor does it imply trump is racist. Trump has no reason to denounce racists that support him. By that logic, Obama should have denounced the new black Panthers and all the racist blacks that supported him. I don't recall black racist voting for Obama being much of an issue....even when they intimidated voters at the polls.
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Apparently you can't say Ghetto either. So basically is the word "black" even allowed? Didn't Sarah Palin just call the protestor at the Trump rally a Punk ass Thug?
Also isn't the NAACP leader some whitey pretending to be black?
It's funny cause it's black peoples fault as in rappers, they glorified the words ghetto and thug and use it like it is supposed to be cool or bad ass, now they are mad those words are thrown at them
Can't have it both ways
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You provided the most vague article you could find. Now, can you actually find the stats that this article is quoting.. I suspect you can't, but then again, I haven't seen a single one of your posts backed by facts.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-pro-slavery/
Not that you will actually read that, or comprehend it, but that is what you are relying on for your evidence.
thanks for that. I've missed your fine grain statistical analysis. Even if you only claim things are biased when they disagree with you. ;)
As we know you believe racism doesn't exist, any claims to the contrary are ideologically driven.
that said, it's seems the stat was misleading but If I choose to refer to it in the future that's my rhetorical prerogative.
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Don't get me wrong, I suspect an abundance of racist whites support trump. That doesn't support the absurdity of Mr turbo's weak link, nor does it imply trump is racist. Trump has no reason to denounce racists that support him. By that logic, Obama should have denounced the new black Panthers and all the racist blacks that supported him. I don't recall black racist voting for Obama being much of an issue....even when they intimidated voters at the polls.
It equals out, LOL!
I've read plenty of posts complaining about blacks being too dumb to know Bernie was good for them.
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thanks for that. I've missed your fine grain statistical analysis. Even if you only claim things are biased when they disagree with you. ;)
As we know you believe racism doesn't exist, any claims to the contrary are ideologically driven.
that said, it's seems the stat was misleading but If I choose to refer to it in the future that's my rhetorical prerogative.
Look a few posts above, race baiter. I said that I suspect most of the racist whites vote for trump, so I clearly never denied it exists. Who else would you expect them to vote for, given their views and his rhetoric. How is that his fault that a certain demographic votes for him? Do you blame Obama for all the black racists that vote for him? I know you aren't Capable of critical thinking, but this one was pretty simple
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Look a few posts above, race baiter. I said that I suspect most of the racist whites vote for trump, so I clearly never denied it exists. Who else would you expect them to vote for, given their views and his rhetoric. How is that his fault that a certain demographic votes for him? Do you blame Obama for all the black racists that vote for him? I know you aren't Capable of critical thinking, but this one was pretty simple
To clarify racism according to you does exist but Trump is pretty much just like Obama. I mean yeah like Obama has a bunch of racist black supporters that the dems have been cultivating for years.
ok....so here's where we ask you to provide support for that. Then you change the suject. I'll find support for Trump really having rasict supporters. Then you dispute the accuracy of the data.
To be honest I don't really enjoy this dance but given the dismal production of alternate viewpoints I'll take what I can get.
So again go ahead let's see the data about the racists that support Obama.
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Look a few posts above, race baiter. I said that I suspect most of the racist whites vote for trump, so I clearly never denied it exists. Who else would you expect them to vote for, given their views and his rhetoric. How is that his fault that a certain demographic votes for him? Do you blame Obama for all the black racists that vote for him? I know you aren't Capable of critical thinking, but this one was pretty simple
Nevermind him. He actually thinks socialism works and is good for the country.
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To clarify racism according to you does exist but Trump is pretty much just like Obama. I mean yeah like Obama has a bunch of racist black supporters that the dems have been cultivating for years.
ok....so here's where we ask you to provide support for that. Then you change the suject. I'll find support for Trump really having rasict supporters. Then you dispute the accuracy of the data.
To be honest I don't really enjoy this dance but given the dismal production of alternate viewpoints I'll take what I can get.
So again go ahead let's see the data about the racists that support Obama.
I don't know anything about Democrats cultivating racist black supporters, nor did I suggest that. That's why I brought up your lack of critical thinking skills. A racist voter will vote for whoever most supports their ideology/view points. A bunch of rednecks with a disdain for everything not white are likely to vote for trump, given what he is selling.
At the same time, when Obama was running for election....and there was a record number of black participation....and organizations like the new black Panthers (a known racist organization that is well more dangerous than the Kkk by miles at this current time), I'm gonna assume that whatever racist blacks existed in this country voted for obama. I doubt they voted for the white guy.....because of the racist thing. Before your simple brain assumes I'm calling all blacks racist, I'm not. I'm strictly talking about the blacks that are racist, which is by no means a small number.
Is Obama to be faulted for that or should he have to condemn these groups? Absolutely not. Nor should trump
So, that was the long version. Here is the short version. In an election that featured a black guy, and a record number of black participation, and most all black voters of this record crowd voted for the black guy; I'm going to assume those blacks that are racist were part of that voter base. I doubt they were the scarce few that voted white....once again, because they are racist.
Stop trying to act intelligent and acting as if you have to choose this debate because you are above most other viewpoints. You are mentally slow and a race baiter. And most of your arguments, such as claiming I think racism doesn't exist, only occur in your own racist black rational and have no factual basis.
You should stick to your trolling. It hides your stupidity a bit
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Apparently you can't say Ghetto either. So basically is the word "black" even allowed? Didn't Sarah Palin just call the protestor at the Trump rally a Punk ass Thug?
Also isn't the NAACP leader some whitey pretending to be black?
That was white Rachel Dolezal who I think was the leader of the Seattle (?) NAACP.
She should be posing nude soon for money and blaming her white parents for it.
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I don't know anything about Democrats cultivating racist black supporters, nor did I suggest that. That's why I brought up your lack of critical thinking skills. A racist voter will vote for whoever most supports their ideology/view points. A bunch of rednecks with a disdain for everything not white are likely to vote for trump, given what he is selling.
At the same time, when Obama was running for election....and there was a record number of black participation....and organizations like the new black Panthers (a known racist organization that is well more dangerous than the Kkk by miles at this current time), I'm gonna assume that whatever racist blacks existed in this country voted for obama. I doubt they voted for the white guy.....because of the racist thing. Before your simple brain assumes I'm calling all blacks racist, I'm not. I'm strictly talking about the blacks that are racist, which is by no means a small number.
Is Obama to be faulted for that or should he have to condemn these groups? Absolutely not. Nor should trump
So, that was the long version. Here is the short version. In an election that featured a black guy, and a record number of black participation, and most all black voters of this record crowd voted for the black guy; I'm going to assume those blacks that are racist were part of that voter base. I doubt they were the scarce few that voted white....once again, because they are racist.
Stop trying to act intelligent and acting as if you have to choose this debate because you are above most other viewpoints. You are mentally slow and a race baiter. And most of your arguments, such as claiming I think racism doesn't exist, only occur in your own racist black rational and have no factual basis.
You should stick to your trolling. It hides your stupidity a bit
the truth is the GOP has been cultivating it's crazy base for years, now that the whole racist thing is obvious it's panic time. It's the "I told you so" moment. That's why you can't compare Obama to Trump because the dems don't have a racist base. It's not some sort of coincidental thing with demographics. I do appreciate the effort to twist that into a rational argument. Sorry but it didn't go too well. I also find the remarks about the kkk amusing. keep it coming. We have already reviewed the expert security reports on that. lol!
I'm open to this argument that blacks (such as obama supporters) are the real racist problem, or that they are at least just as bad. You haven't provided empirical support for this claim. I've done my homework on the white supremacist stuff however.
As for trump i don't think he's really racist but he provides a focus for what was previously a disparate and fragmented set of extremists. This is potentially a serious problem. I would expect the experts will agree.
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the truth is the GOP has been cultivating it's crazy base for years, now that the whole racist thing is obvious it's panic time. It's the "I told you so" moment. That's why you can't compare Obama to Trump because the dems don't have a racist base. It's not some sort of coincidental thing with demographics. I do appreciate the effort to twist that into a rational argument. Sorry but it didn't go too well. I also find the remarks about the kkk amusing. keep it coming. We have already reviewed the expert security reports on that. lol!
I'm open to this argument that blacks (such as obama supporters) are the real racist problem, or that they are at least just as bad. You haven't provided empirical support for this claim. I've done my homework on the white supremacist stuff however.
As for trump i don't think he's really racist but he provides a focus for what was previously a disparate and fragmented set of extremists. This is potentially a serious problem. I would expect the experts will agree.
The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn. They are gaining voters by doing so. You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.
I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing. Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time. When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything? They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies. The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk. You just don't mind that, because they are black
As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.
I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population. If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself. Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.
You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist. Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age. They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore. Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric. Plenty to see
Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist. It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.
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@ iwantmass,
Wasn't there a story released recently about KKK Cops in Alabama specifically targeting blacks?
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/florida-kkk-corrections-murder-plot/
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The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn. They are gaining voters by doing so. You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.
I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing. Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time. When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything? They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies. The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk. You just don't mind that, because they are black
As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.
I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population. If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself. Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.
You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist. Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age. They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore. Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric. Plenty to see
Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist. It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
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The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn. They are gaining voters by doing so. You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.
I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing. Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time. When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything? They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies. The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk. You just don't mind that, because they are black
As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.
I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population. If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself. Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.
You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist. Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age. They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore. Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric. Plenty to see
Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist. It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.
I have all the data at my fingertips. Feel free to peruse the SPLC map there and analyse to your hearts content. I expect you'll find some fundamental flaw with their methodology since the data undermines all of your claims. Enjoy.
here's Obama on the topic.
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@ iwantmass,
Wasn't there a story released recently about KKK Cops in Alabama specifically targeting blacks?
There was such a story.....released on facebook to stoke racial tensions amongst blacks. It was proven to be pure bullshit, but it was good enough for people that get their news from social media. Im not even gonna bother providing a link for you. Best I will do is cite the county, dothan.
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https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
This splc. Yeah, no thanks...
http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2015/12/splc_deletes_tweet_promoting_a.html
They are people just like you, that lie and distort the truth just like you tried last time we called you out on this with your data on white supremacist vs Muslim terror attacks.
How about an explanation of how the splc defines hate groups
http://www.splcreport.com/
Under that definition, the black Lives Matter movement is the largest most active hate group on the planet.
In the future, you should quote groups that aren't known for corruption and false accusations
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The KKK have been totally infiltrated by the government so have become more or less redundant as a dangerous organization. The bigger threat comes from individuals who may have no direct connection with them, but are influenced by their beliefs - individuals such as Dylann Roof.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/florida-kkk-corrections-murder-plot/
You kinda proved my point. You linked an isolated case of 3 guys that got caught. The kkk is a weak former shade of itself. You will.find anomalies.
Do you want me to link multiple links of new black Panthers encouraging the murders of all whites, race wars, etc? I guarantee I can provide more than 1.
I can provide all the racist black agitators jumping the gun against whites in cases like Mike Brown , just for an excuse to hate whites without knowing the facts. I can provide evidence of racist blacks intimidating good upstanding blacks that wanted to come forward and tell the truth in the Mike Brown case
Then again, you don't care about the multiple incidents of blacks attacking/murdering whites for nothing more than their color. You actually insist it doesn't exist.
The difference is, whereas you have to provide a needle in the haystack, I can provide many instances Of black racists threatening/committing violence against whites. The whole black Lives moment matter was founded and continues on hatred for whites
You know what? I don't fault Obama for those guys supporting him, though.
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I have all the data at my fingertips. Feel free to peruse the SPLC map there and analyse to your hearts content. I expect you'll find some fundamental flaw with their methodology since the data undermines all of your claims. Enjoy.
here's Obama on the topic.
Is that the same Obama that has made an ass out of himself over false claims of racism most notably in the Harvard professor case, Mike Brown case, and trayvon Martin case; all without knowing the facts. The same Obama that attended Jeremiah wright's racist church for most of his adult life, until their racist ideology became known to the national media?
Yeah....I'm not gonna take his word at face value when it comes to racial matters. He has a history of false claims of racism.
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Is that the same Obama that has made an ass out of himself over false claims of racism most notably in the Harvard professor case, Mike Brown case, and trayvon Martin case; all without knowing the facts. The same Obama that attended Jeremiah wright's racist church for most of his adult life, until their racist ideology became known to the national media?
Yeah....I'm not gonna take his word at face value when it comes to racial matters. He has a history of false claims of racism.
ok so we have here a link to a report by a "hate group" and another one showing SPLC retracting suspect information. Once again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this does not help your argument. Citing a hate group listed by SPLC is not a credible source. I hope you understand my amusement on this now.
I'm not holding my breath that you'll provide any support for your "novel" claims. ie. of this nefarious racist black menace. Apparently there's a bunch of dangerous black racists supporting Obama. The black panthers are out causing trouble etc. Please do show us this information, looking forward to seeing that. You can't use michael brown because the DOJ went in and shut the whole town down for civil rights abuses. Again we need better examples.
Look, like Obama said, this is the time for a bit of self-reflection and to really consider weather you want to go off the deep end with the rest of the crazies. Trust me, there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. I'm not the only one saying this. Half the republicans agree (at least). You seem to be fairly sensible but there's something clearly amiss. Perhaps you're excluding information that makes you come to uncomfortable conclusions? This will lead to disaster, look at the mess with the GOP at the moment for proof.
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ok so we have here a link to a report by a "hate group" and another one showing SPLC retracting suspect information. Once again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this does not help your argument. Citing a hate group listed by SPLC is not a credible source. I hope you understand my amusement on this now.
I'm not holding my breath that you'll provide any support for your "novel" claims. ie. of this nefarious racist black menace. Apparently there's a bunch of dangerous black racists supporting Obama. The black panthers are out causing trouble etc. Please do show us this information, looking forward to seeing that. You can't use michael brown because the DOJ went in and shut the whole town down for civil rights abuses. Again we need better examples.
Look, like Obama said, this is the time for a bit of self-reflection and to really consider weather you want to go off the deep end with the rest of the crazies. Trust me, there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. I'm not the only one saying this. Half the republicans agree (at least). You seem to be fairly sensible but there's something clearly amiss. Perhaps you're excluding information that makes you come to uncomfortable conclusions? This will lead to disaster, look at the mess with the GOP at the moment for proof.
I cited the criteria that they use to qualify a hate group. Your illiteracy must have missed that. I notice you didn't comment on the black Lives Matter movement being the largest active hate group by that criteria.
If you choose to deny blacks are racist, that is your business and why no one takes you seriously. You also chose to.ignore Obama attending an openly racist black church for 20 years until the racist rhetoric they preached became known to the public.
I can and will mention Mike brown. If you actually read the doj document in its entirety, as I did, you would know about the racist blacks throughout the community that threatened the honest blacks with physical violence if they came forward and told the truth. Then again, you read racist talking points, not the actual entire documents.
I never mentioned the black panthers, I mentioned the new black panthers, the group that the black panthers are critical of as well. Wow, you didn't know they were 2 different organizations... how sad for one that claims to do so much research and to be a beacon of truth on racial issues.
I agree with obama, it is a time for self reflection. Next time a mike brown is gunned down, he shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was because the cop was white and the victim was black. He should assess the facts before he makes his opinion, because otherwise he just looks like a racist asshole.
When you do things like citing the 3000 member kkk as being a real danger, yet ignore violent organizations like the new black panthers, you lose credibility. Your bias isn't even up for debate at that point. Oh wait you are so incompetent that you didn't even know the new black Panthers differ from the black panthers. It's that, or you are just a race baiting liar. Who knows
As i told you before, stick to being a troll. It masks your stupidity a bit
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I cited the criteria that they use to qualify a hate group. Your illiteracy must have missed that. I notice you didn't comment on the black Lives Matter movement being the largest active hate group by that criteria.
If you choose to deny blacks are racist, that is your business and why no one takes you seriously. You also chose to.ignore Obama attending an openly racist black church for 20 years until the racist rhetoric they preached became known to the public.
I can and will mention Mike brown. If you actually read the doj document in its entirety, as I did, you would know about the racist blacks throughout the community that threatened the honest blacks with physical violence if they came forward and told the truth. Then again, you read racist talking points, not the actual entire documents.
I never mentioned the black panthers, I mentioned the new black panthers, the group that the black panthers are critical of as well. Wow, you didn't know they were 2 different organizations... how sad for one that claims to do so much research and to be a beacon of truth on racial issues.
I agree with obama, it is a time for self reflection. Next time a mike brown is gunned down, he shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was because the cop was white and the victim was black. He should assess the facts before he makes his opinion, because otherwise he just looks like a racist asshole.
When you do things like citing the 3000 member kkk as being a real danger, yet ignore violent organizations like the new black panthers, you lose credibility. Your bias isn't even up for debate at that point. Oh wait you are so incompetent that you didn't even know the new black Panthers differ from the black panthers. It's that, or you are just a race baiting liar. Who knows
As i told you before, stick to being a troll. It masks your stupidity a bit
Just to summarize:
information from the SPLC, the DOJ, FBI etc. on racism is inaccurate.
information produced by "hate group" FAIR on racism is accurate.
the *new* black panther party is just as bad as the KKK BUT the KKK is no longer dangerous.
I'm open to these claims but so far you've not provided any support for them.
enjoy the following:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/analysis.html
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right
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a study on the link between right wing political violence and popular opinion which includes racist groups.
This would apply to trump followers:
This research explored whether trends in right-wing political violence in the United States are related
to trends in national polling data for issues linked to right-wing grievances. Repeated poll items related
to right-wing extremism were identified in the American National Election Survey and the General
Social Survey from 1970-2006. The Global Terrorism Database (GTD) was used to identify incidents
of domestic right-wing terrorism over this same time period. The poll items were examined in relation
to (1) changes surrounding the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the deadliest right-wing incident in the
U.S. to date, and (2) relationships over time with the prevalence of right-wing incidents in the GTD.
Results suggest that polling trends—particularly trends in items tapping feelings that (1) government
is out or control, (2) government is doing too much for minorities, and (3) financial circumstances
have worsened —may provide new insight into trends in right-wing violence in the United States. Limitations
of the study are discussed.
https://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/local_attachments/Surveys%20-%20Right-Wing%20Extremism%20Final%20Report.pdf
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Just to summarize:
information from the SPLC, the DOJ, FBI etc. on racism is inaccurate.
information produced by "hate group" FAIR on racism is accurate.
the *new* black panther party is just as bad as the KKK BUT the KKK is no longer dangerous.
I'm open to these claims but so far you've not provided any support for them.
enjoy the following:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/analysis.html
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right
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Here we go again with your one sided links.
http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race
That link puts the numbers into perspective. Even though blacks make.up far less of the population, they commit far more hate crimes per their population. It addresses the skewed data of your first and second links. Blacks and Muslims are minorities in the scope of total population, yet they commit hate crimes and acts of terror.at a near similar rate.
If blacks and whites made up the same percentage of the population, they would commit far more hate crimes. That doesn't even take into effect the numerous knockout games, and other race based attacks that are never categorized as hate crimes
Your 2nd link is addressed in a similar fashion. Muslims make up a miniscule part of the population, yet they commit acts of terror at a near similar rate to whites, the majority population. That is even if you conveniently ignored 9/11 and start just after the worst terror attack in our history, which your one sided link did to.influence simple minded people like you. We made you look full retard the last time you presented that graph. That just.caused you to go full-grown mode. That's what you always resort to when you are losing. You will do it here soon enough
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Here we go again with your one sided links.
http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race
That link puts the numbers into perspective. Even though blacks make.up far less of the population, they commit far more hate crimes per their population. It addresses the skewed data of your first and second links. Blacks and Muslims are minorities in the scope of total population, yet they commit hate crimes and acts of terror.at a near similar rate.
If blacks and whites made up the same percentage of the population, they would commit far more hate crimes. That doesn't even take into effect the numerous knockout games, and other race based attacks that are never categorized as hate crimes
Your 2nd link is addressed in a similar fashion. Muslims make up a miniscule part of the population, yet they commit acts of terror at a near similar rate to whites, the majority population. That is even if you conveniently ignored 9/11 and start just after the worst terror attack in our history, which your one sided link did to.influence simple minded people like you. We made you look full retard the last time you presented that graph. That just.caused you to go full-grown mode. That's what you always resort to when you are losing. You will do it here soon enough
hate crimes are not racism. this includes a wide array or discrimination. We are looking for support for your claim blacks are racist. please provide this data and go ahead and provide it for the rest of your claims. thanks.
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a study on the link between right wing political violence and popular opinion which includes racist groups.
This would apply to trump followers:
This research explored whether trends in right-wing political violence in the United States are related
to trends in national polling data for issues linked to right-wing grievances. Repeated poll items related
to right-wing extremism were identified in the American National Election Survey and the General
Social Survey from 1970-2006. The Global Terrorism Database (GTD) was used to identify incidents
of domestic right-wing terrorism over this same time period. The poll items were examined in relation
to (1) changes surrounding the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the deadliest right-wing incident in the
U.S. to date, and (2) relationships over time with the prevalence of right-wing incidents in the GTD.
Results suggest that polling trends—particularly trends in items tapping feelings that (1) government
is out or control, (2) government is doing too much for minorities, and (3) financial circumstances
have worsened —may provide new insight into trends in right-wing violence in the United States. Limitations
of the study are discussed.
https://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/local_attachments/Surveys%20-%20Right-Wing%20Extremism%20Final%20Report.pdf
Stop trying to bog me down with a 55 page paper. I actually read stuff when you guys post it. Apparently you didn't, and you probably should so you don't continue to make yourself look stupid.
Tell me exactly what you think that paper says, because I don't think it means what you think it means. First off, by no means was this some.scientific study. You would know that if you actually read it. Secondly, some of the trends that emerged didn't support their initial assertion. You would know that as well, if you read it....
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hate crimes are not racism. this includes a wide array or discrimination. We are looking for support for your claim blacks are racist. please provide this data and go ahead and provide it for the rest of your claims. thanks.
A hate crime committed against another person because of their color is absolutely a demonstration of racism. Are you that dense?
I'm confused with what you are suggesting here. Are you actually suggesting that many blacks aren't racist?
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Stop trying to bog me down with a 55 page paper. I actually read stuff when you guys post it. Apparently you didn't, and you probably should so you don't continue to make yourself look stupid.
Tell me exactly what you think that paper says, because I don't think it means what you think it means. First off, by no means was this some.scientific study. You would know that if you actually read it. Secondly, some of the trends that emerged didn't support their initial assertion. You would know that as well, if you read it....
here's the take away.
homeland security saw fit to produce a 55 page paper on right wing extremism as it relates to public opinion.
west point produced a 155 page paper on domestic right wing extremism.
It would seem these agencies take the matter more seriously than you do. You say black racists are just as bad, in fact worse than white racists so... where are the reports from the experts on black extremists?
???
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A hate crime committed against another person because of their color is absolutely a demonstration of racism. Are you that dense?
I'm confused with what you are suggesting here. Are you actually suggesting that many blacks aren't racist?
I'm aware that blacks are more homophobic in general but to be honest I don't know about the racism. Conceptually it seems far fetched but I'm open to it.
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here's the take away.
homeland security saw fit to produce a 55 page paper on right wing extremism as is relates to public opinion.
west point produced a 155 page paper on domestic right wing extremism.
It would seem these agencies take the matter more seriously than you do. You say black racists are just as bad, in fact worse than white racists so... where are the reports from the experts on black extremists?
???
Took me all of 3 seconds. Do you need more?
https://vault.fbi.gov/Black%20Panther%20Party%20
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I'm aware that blacks are more homophobic in general but to be honest I don't know about the racism. Conceptually it seems far fetched but I'm open to it.
Then, you are a liar. I'm from Louisiana and have lived their my whole life. I've had black friends confess how openly racist many of their own are. Anytime one of my black friends dated a white woman, they were shocked to find out that it was the blacks that denounced them and not the whites as they anticipated.
Just because you don't consider it racism, doesn't mean it isnt. It might mean you are as racist
Nothing farfetched about it at all. A lot of poor blacks blame and resent whites for all their problems, thus breeding a racist attitude
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This one looks interesting for studies that don't exist
https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists
I find it odd that you rely on the fbi database when it fits your argument, yet you don't know about documents like this. I bet they even have a very comprehensive black Lives Matter file already. Care to take me up on that bet?
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we all have differing experiences.
here's an interesting poll.
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http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/PRRI-AVS-2015-Web.pdf
this shows public perception but as you know this is often inconsistent with facts.
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This one looks interesting for studies that don't exist
https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists
I find it odd that you rely on the fbi database when it fits your argument, yet you don't know about documents like this. I bet they even have a very comprehensive black Lives Matter file already. Care to take me up on that bet?
hey FYI citing cointelpro includes such extremists as Martin Luther King jr.
the amusement continues.
http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_federal_bureau_of_investigation_fbi/
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hey FYI citing cointelpro includes such extremists as Martin Luther King jr.
the amusement continues.
http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_federal_bureau_of_investigation_fbi/
Woah, there. You criticized me for doubting and suspecting fbi data. Thats kind of why I did it. It doesn't all have merit.....wait for it....just like your posts on right wing extremism. You can't have it both ways. You originally asserted that the fbi said it, so it must be true. Now, you take a different approach when it doesn't fit your biased narrative.
I wouldn't be criticizing your studies if I took the fbi database as fact on everything they have a file on
So you are right, the amusement does continue.
As I've said before mr turbo certainly isn't a name based off your sharp wit
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Woah, there. You criticized me for doubting and suspecting fbi data. Thats kind of why I did it. It doesn't all have merit.....wait for it....just like your posts on right wing extremism. You can't have it both ways. You originally asserted that the fbi said it, so it must be true. Now, you take a different approach when it doesn't fit your biased narrative.
I wouldn't be criticizing your studies if I took the fbi database as fact on everything they have a file on
So you are right, the amusement does continue.
As I've said before mr turbo certainly isn't a name based off your sharp wit
that's an internal file and it is like 40 years old. It's not a study. because the fbi is a public institution we can access their files, this was not published during the civil rights movement, do you think they want to advertise they are surveilling Martin Luther King?
ok so you didn't produce anything but that's ok. If you come up with something let me know. The information is there for you to look at but the key is not to exclude information that makes you come to the wrong conclusion. ie. material that makes you uncomfortable, sometimes the truth is like that.
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that's an internal file and it is like 40 years old. It's not a study. because the fbi is a public institution we can access their files, this was not published during the civil rights movement, do you think they want to advertise they are surveilling Martin Luther King?
ok so you didn't produce anything but that's ok. If you come up with something let me know. The information is there for you to look at but the key is not to exclude information that makes you come to the wrong conclusion. ie. material that makes you uncomfortable, sometimes the truth is like that.
You linked it, I didnt. The ones I linked weren't 40 years old and they provide plenty of the evidence you asked for on black extremists.
I haven't looked wrong this entire time
A brief summary:
You said I think racism doesn't exist 2 posts after I talked about racism
You challenged me because I doubted fbi files, so I produced a 2 fbi links that you didn't like
You claim to be oblivious to black racism and can't fathom black racists voting for Obama
You cherry picked data on hate crimes and teror acts, I corrected you
I think that about sums it up.
Oh yeah, you don't read any of the documents you link, you just look at the pretty pictures. That's crystal clear by the 55 page link you posted and the Ferguson document that you likely didn't read 1 page of, which is clear when you make vague references to it.
Let's keep this up..I usually make ppl look stupid on the political board but you are allowing me do so on the main forum
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do you have some support for the claim about black racism?
you linked to cointelpro, a 40 year old program widely condemned by human rights organisations for political prosecution.
your other source is a hate group.
you haven't done too well by my humble estimation.
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do you have some support for the claim about black racism?
you linked to cointelpro, a 40 year old program widely condemned by human rights organisations for political prosecution.
your other source is a hate group.
you haven't done too well by my humble estimation.
I've done just fine. I pulled resources from the fbi to satisfy your request, whether I agree with it or not. I can post plenty more like the one on the black panthers If you like.
It's not my fault you want to change the boundaries when I play by your rules.
Good job on ignoring the other parts I posted
Once again, I'm asking you very clearly. Are you claiming that black racism doesn't exist or that a black racist wouldn't vote for a black guy because he was black?
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I've done just fine. I pulled resources from the fbi to satisfy your request, whether I agree with it or not. I can post plenty more like the one on the black panthers If you like.
It's not my fault you want to change the boundaries when I play by your rules.
Good job on ignoring the other parts I posted
Once again, I'm asking you very clearly. Are you claiming that black racism doesn't exist or that a black racist wouldn't vote for a black guy because he was black?
look I'm willing to wait it out on this.
If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful.
appreciate your efforts regardless. :D
p.s. the black racism thing is confined to fellows like wiggs and the nation of islam. Seems like an extreme fringe phenomenon. I could be wrong but still waiting on that data.
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look I'm willing to wait it out on this.
If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful.
appreciate your efforts regardless. :D
And he's back to trolling, where he belongs. Looks like my work is done
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look I'm willing to wait it out on this.
If you come up with something that isn't immediately dismissable that would be wonderful.
appreciate your efforts regardless. :D
p.s. the black racism thing is confined to fellows like wiggs and the nation of islam. Seems like an extreme fringe phenomenon. I could be wrong but still waiting on that data.
You added that last line after your original post. You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that. I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this
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You added that last line after your original post. You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that. I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this
perceptions vary widely. Tea Partiers have diametrically opposed perceptions to democrats on this issue. Unfortunately not everyone can be correct simultaneously. this is where we look to "racism experts" I haven't done so because i didn't make the claim. that's your job.
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You added that last line after your original post. You couldn't find an honest black person on this forum that agrees with you on that. I would love tuholmes to chime in on that if he reads this
Sure... I'll chime in.
There are white racists and black racists. I would estimate that according to my actual real world experience that the number is probably about 20% on each side.
I have seen many white people hide their true ideas when there are black people around and I have heard black people do the same thing.
Case in point. I was with one of my Aunt's one day renting a U-Haul to haul some furniture across town for her. Her and one of my cousin's were in the place and a black girl who was working the U-Haul counter was talking about something going on in the news. Now, my Aunt, who happens to be black, is highly educated and of course not "ghetto" in any way. Now, what was odd about this was that the second the U-Haul girl found out that my Aunt was "my Aunt", she immediately started talking completely different.
It was like listening to two different people. She immediately felt comfortable enough to start talking in whatever manner she does around her friends that she would not have done near me (as she was not speaking this way) if my Aunt had not specifically said, "Oh... This is my nephew." Because my Aunt could see the inquisitive look on the young ladies' face as to why this "white boy" was hanging out here with them.
Another story my black grandmother used to love telling was how when I was a smaller kid, probably around 2 or 3, my great grandmother died. (Her Mom.)
Now, apparently, according to her story, I was the only "white person" at the funeral and everyone was wondering what this white kid was going to say or do being at this funeral around no one but black people. Of course people talked to me and my only statements were "That's my great grandma'" and that's why I'm here.
Now, you may see these as minor incidents, but really, it speaks to the mind set of people. Were they "violent acts of racism", no, they were not, but the meaning behind them and the overt racism is still there.
Similar to when we talk about institutional racism when white people were actually trying to keep the black man down.
I have, of course, some similar situations on the white side of my family, but I don't know if it is worth stating those because people already make the incorrect assumption that white people are the racist ones.
The reality is that black people are just as racist, not more, not less, than white people. What I do believe though is that neither side is as racist as they USED to be and that's a good thing.
I believe as a nation and a society, we are improving daily. I understand people see us as a divided nation, but I don't see that. I see us getting better all of the time.
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Sure... I'll chime in.
There are white racists and black racists. I would estimate that according to my actual real work experience that the number is probably about 20% on each side.
I have seen many white people hide their true ideas when there are black people around and I have heard black people do the same thing.
Case in point. I was with one of my Aunt's one day renting a U-Haul to haul some furniture across town for her. Her and one of my cousin's were in the place and a black girl who was working the U-Haul counter was talking about something going on in the news. Now, my Aunt, who happens to be black, is highly educated and of course not "ghetto" in any way. Now, what was odd about this was that the second the U-Haul girl found out that my Aunt was "my Aunt", she immediately started talking completely different.
It was like listening to two different people. She immediately felt comfortable enough to start talking in whatever manner she does around her friends that she would not have done near me (as she was not speaking this way) if my Aunt had not specifically said, "Oh... This is my nephew." Because my Aunt could see the inquisitive look on the young ladies' face as to why this "white boy" was hanging out here with them.
Another story my black grandmother used to love telling was how when I was a smaller kid, probably around 2 or 3, my great grandmother died. (Her Mom.)
Now, apparently, according to her story, I was the only "white person" at the funeral and everyone was wondering what this white kid was going to say or do being at this funeral around no one but black people. Of course people talked to me and my only statements were "That's my great grandma'" and that's why I'm here.
Now, you may see these as minor incidents, but really, it speaks to the mind set of people. Were they "violent acts of racism", no, they were not, but the meaning behind them and the overt racism is still there.
Similar to when we talk about institutional racism when white people were actually trying to keep the black man down.
I have, of course, some similar situations on the white side of my family, but I don't know if it is worth stating those because people already make the incorrect assumption that white people are the racist ones.
The reality is that black people are just as racist, not more, not less, than white people. What I do believe though is that neither side is as racist as they USED to be and that's a good thing.
I believe as a nation and a society, we are improving daily. I understand people see us as a divided nation, but I don't see that. I see us getting better all of the time.
Thank you for your input. I appreciate your honesty as always. Clearly these black people you mention don't exists because mr turbo suggests they don't exist and that he has never met a racist black person, other than the fanatical ones....he's seen on tv. They are far and away an anomaly and there is no way 20% of the black population could be racist.
There in lies the problem with people like mr turbo. He will lie to present his point. He knows he has met his fair share of racists blacks. He knows that he knows racist blacks that voted for obama. Yet, unless you provide him a documented admission of a black person signing off that they are racist, with video of the occurrence, he will turn a blind eye and deny it exist. Even then, the admission would occur under cohersion in his eyes.
I've consistently made him change his opinion and look like the dumbass he is at every turn, even making him refute his own solid fbi evidence, so now he wants me to post evidence that black people are racist....
Why would i bother with that stupidity? We all know that when he has reached the point to ask me to prove blacks are racist, he's lost and all his other points and is to his last resort
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perceptions vary widely. Tea Partiers have diametrically opposed perceptions to democrats on this issue. Unfortunately not everyone can be correct simultaneously. this is where we look to "racism experts" I haven't done so because i didn't make the claim. that's your job.
The sentence you just typed is pure hogwash that you hopes confuse someone just like your link to a 55 page study, that you only link an excerpt from the 2nd page...because that is all you read. You don't read these studies you post, you don't understand them, and you hope people don't look past the pretty pictures. I did read them, i did understand them, and thus realized your pretty pictures were skewed and as such i provided the rebuttal. I've more than supported my original claim. You just keep moving the end zone back 10 yards
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The sentence you just typed is pure hogwash that you hopes confuse someone just like your link to a 55 page study, that you only link an excerpt from the 2nd page...because that is all you read. You don't read these studies you post, you don't understand them, and you hope people don't look past the pretty pictures. I did read them, i did understand them, and thus realized your pretty pictures were skewed and as such i provided the rebuttal. I've more than supported my original claim. You just keep moving the end zone back 10 yards
you provided data on hate crimes. racism is a hate crime but not all hate crimes are racism. when you make a claim about racism we need information pertaining specifically to that.
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you provided data on hate crimes. racism is a hate crime but not all hate crimes are racism. when you make a claim about racism we need information pertaining specifically to that.
Sorry, i have no interest in proving to you that black people can be racist, and as a result, said racist black people would vote for obama in a similar fashion to racist whites voting for trump. Take it or leave it. I understand you have been made to look like an idiot, so you are trying to save some face, but I have no interests in convincing you that whites aren't the sole racists on the planet.