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impulse buy while waiting in line at the pharmacy. saw some bronkaid and picked it up. 25mg of Ephedra each pill. currently split the pill to guage tolerance.
any experience? what was your dose? results?
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Using it now.
Lost 10 lbs in 10 days with a cleaned up diet. It works for me with fasted cardio.
EDIT: 50 mg around 10-15 minutes before my fasted cardio session
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Just another one of the latest "diet Pills" to hit the market!
::)
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ECA stack 2 bronk, 2 caffeine 400, 2 aspirin
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Known 4 guys who did it on and off mostly on for years. Three went into heart failure one died two kinda recovered and the 4th never really recovered and now has chronic fatigue.
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Younger me: "yeah bro--you can do eca 6 times a day"
older, wiser me: "no- i'm not touching anything that is a "fat burner" of any sorts...stick to clean diet (cheat meals included) and training"
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Known 4 guys who did it on and off mostly on for years. Three went into heart failure one died two kinda recovered and the 4th never really recovered and now has chronic fatigue.
Jesus, why would they be on it for years? I can't stay on it longer than 2 weeks before my blood pressure gets too high.
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Jesus, why would they be on it for years? I can't stay on it longer than 2 weeks before my blood pressure gets too high.
After a while you need it just to wake up in the morning. If I use fat burners at all it's the last 5 weeks or so.
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when I did run ECA stack... I had to only use 1/2 a caff pill, and sometimes 1/2 a brokaid.
I can't imagine adding coffee to it. ANyway, how does one gain any muscle if they live on ECA?
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Jesus, why would they be on it for years?
because "bro- if you come off then those extra calories your body burned while on ECA won't burned anymore bro and you'll gain fat bro"
faulty "broscience" aside this all falls into the disease of having a body image disorder
getting off of a fat burner ='s "you're gonna get fat, bro" ='s feeding into a poor self image to begin with ='s having to be on drugs you never have to be on to begin with just to feed a negative self image
just love yourself for who you are and you can still be lean without having a heart attack in the future
since we're on broscince myth busting, while fasted state cardio works I have recently found out that I can get/stay lean without having to wake up at 400 am before I have breakfast
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I use it. I just take 1 pill (25mg) AM with coffee and sometimes a baby aspirin (81 mgs) when dieting for 2-3 weeks.
I agree with Dan Duchaine it's not T3 or Clen that gets you cut up and keeps you cut up - those aren't the secret weapon to staying shredded - it's ECA. ECA doesn't stop working like Clen and it doesn't leave you totally depleted like T3.
Anyone know or remember how many mgs was in Ultimate Orange back in the day?
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*ephedra* has been used for thousands of years so there's probably a safe way to do it.
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*ephedra* has been used for thousands of years so there's probably a safe way to do it.
Mainlining it but being able to quit at anytime is the key.
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impulse buy while waiting in line at the pharmacy. saw some bronkaid and picked it up. 25mg of Ephedra each pill. currently split the pill to guage tolerance.
any experience? what was your dose? results?
Been around forever. Ditch the coffee, buy some caffeine pills from the store for $5 or so. Too much black coffee made my stomach hurt sometimes.
Only go with the 25/200-250 recommendation. E/C is safe, and in my opinion, way safer than the odd stuff that took its place the last few years. The only times I've seen problems is when guys up the dose too much or too often, or stack it with other energy/fat burners. Or when they run it too long, and it becomes an addiction and not a supplement.
Look at your other supplements, and make sure no Yohimbe/Yohimbine or other stuff is in them. You never want to stack the "real" fat burning thermogenic supplements if you're smart. I'm sure competitors do, but there's too much downside for regular folks.
Also, in my experience, give yourself at least 5-6 hours in between last dose and bedtime.
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I used to do the stack on time in the a.m before work. Helped me get through the day better. Didnt really see any diff to my physique.
More was using it for daily energy though.
and oh man that ultimate orange stuff. hahaha that was good shit.
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ECY is good for woman (hips and thighs) and I liked to use it leading up to a contest.
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Anyone know or remember how many mgs was in Ultimate Orange back in the day?
I seem to remember it was 400 mgs or so of Ephedra standardized at 10%, so 40 mgs give or take. This was inline with Duchaine's personal dosages which were more like 50mgs of Ephedrine. I forget if he raised the caffeine too. Another thing is that the Ultimate Orange jugs were just open containers, like if you opened a ton of Diet Fuel into them, so the doses could be +/- a good bit.
It also had a tad of grapefruit extract, and a medium glycemic carb powder and whey protein added to it in close to a 40/60 mix.
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Been around forever. Ditch the coffee, buy some caffeine pills from the store for $5 or so. Too much black coffee made my stomach hurt sometimes.
Only go with the 25/200-250 recommendation. E/C is safe, and in my opinion, way safer than the odd stuff that took its place the last few years. The only times I've seen problems is when guys up the dose too much or too often, or stack it with other energy/fat burners. Or when they run it too long, and it becomes an addiction and not a supplement.
Look at your other supplements, and make sure no Yohimbe/Yohimbine or other stuff is in them. You never want to stack the "real" fat burning thermogenic supplements if you're smart. I'm sure competitors do, but there's too much downside for regular folks.
Also, in my experience, give yourself at least 5-6 hours in between last dose and bedtime.
Are you insinuating that a bodybuilder at the top of his game would count his macros down to the single digit, time his meal on the dot, and then risk it all by possibly taking an unknown or potentially-contaminated substance into his body?
Get f***ing real.
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I have asthma, so I take Primatene tabs daily to breathe. I don't add the coffee part as that really does send your heart racing. I have done the whole ECA though stack many times and always lose weight. But I think most of the weight you lose is water as the items used together seem like a diuretic more than anything else. Plus guys tend to eat clean when they use it so they probably would have lost weight without it.
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I have asthma, so I take Primatene tabs daily to breathe. I don't add the coffee part as that really does send your heart racing. I have done the whole ECA though stack many times and always lose weight. But I think most of the weight you lose is water as the items used together seem like a diuretic more than anything else. Plus guys tend to eat clean when they use it so they probably would have lost weight without it.
It goes without saying.
Every bodybuilder has asthma, low testosterone, growth hormone deficiency, as well as severe back pain.
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I became immune to it pretty quickly myself.
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I became immune to it pretty quickly myself.
Bound to happen.
Did you try snorting or injecting it?
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Better and cheaper than anything else on the market. I bronkaid, 1 baby aspirin and 1 caffeine pill is all you need. You can get 60 servings for $15.
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Didn't they stop selling bronkaid in the States?
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you dick will get soft from long term use
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No. They have to combine it with an expectorant to sell it. Pure ephedrine is no longer otc and ephedra ( which is less potent than pure ephedrine) has been axed.
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first 2 days i lost 3 lbs, but cant tell if it was just water or what. im only using one pill a day with my coffee. IF style eating so very small 200 call breakfast, 200 cal lunch, and then whatever i want for dinner. 1700 or so total cals
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you dick will get soft from long term use
So ECA will make you impotent and then eventually kill you? Where do I sign up?
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So ECA will make you impotent and then eventually kill you? Where do I sign up?
Have you seen Ansdreas Munzer's corpse?
People would die to look like that!
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Used ephedrine most days for maybe 15 years. Last few years rarely due to poor availability. My sensitivity went UP over time. Great drug, pretty safe... much safer bet than any of the pwo and diet pills sold today (designer drugs) so I agree with BB.
Only an idiot or clueless person would used any "pwo" in place of ephedrine if they have a choice.
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Known 4 guys who did it on and off mostly on for years. Three went into heart failure one died two kinda recovered and the 4th never really recovered and now has chronic fatigue.
I have a friend who got through nursing school/college taking massive amount of E and C everyday. He was taking 150mg of E and 1000mg of caffeine per day. He did this for years. He now has all kinds of problems; heart, nervous system, chronic fatigue, neuropathy, etc. I told him not to abuse it, he didn't listen to me. You young guys better be careful.
Small amounts of E can be tolerated, but it's too easy to go overboard chasing the high, especially for people with addictive behavior.
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I used to love it but lately it just seems to set me on edge. Its "fat burning" capabilities are way overstated, it's most useful to supress appetite & provide energy for workouts while depleted
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I remember about 8-10 years ago taking aMarkus Ruhl endorsed product called "Lipo-6" and that shit was potent as hell. Gave me jitters like nothing else and I ended up tossing it after a week or so.
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ECA stack 2 bronk, 2 caffeine 400, 2 aspirin
^^
THAT WOULD WORK, 100%...
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With ephedrine you must take breaks. It does in fact cause adrenal fatigue.
Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.
150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.
I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't
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ive noticed this actually. the first two doses of eph were nice, had a lil buzz going and felt wired. after that, almost nothing. i dont think i will bump to 50mg though. just gonna do the 25mg with a cup of coffee every morning with a very small 200 cal breakfast. maybe ill split a pill in half and take a smaller second dose around 2pm
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I have enough problems sleeping-fuck that!
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150mg?? Wow. What an absolute idiot. The chronic fatigue is definitely from adrenal abuse, he wiped his system red lining that hard.
Crazy huh. He started small, but needed to take more and more over time to get the same effect. He got up to 50mg E /350mg caffeine 3x day. I have no idea how he slept at all. He's a train wreck today and stopped training years ago... multiple muscle tears and joint/tendon injuries, which IMO were caused by the E&C abuse.
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Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.
150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.
I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't
It's probably because you're suffering from adrenal fatigue bro.
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It's probably because you're suffering from adrenal fatigue bro.
An ephedrine-naive person will often not even notice any stimulation if the ephedrine is taken with no caffeine.
My sensitivity went up which happens with certain classes of drugs sometimes.
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Crazy huh. He started small, but needed to take more and more over time to get the same effect. He got up to 50mg E /350mg caffeine 3x day. I have no idea how he slept at all. He's a train wreck today and stopped training years ago... multiple muscle tears and joint/tendon injuries, which IMO were caused by the E&C abuse.
So why has ephedrine been made in 50mg tabs if it's such a "crazy" killer dosage?
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Adrenal fatigue is a bullshit term, there's no such thing.
You'll notice a lot of people who believe in chemtrails, lizard people, deliberate vaccine poisoning by the authorities and Nibiru also say they suffer from adrenal fatigue or believe in it.
150mg is a lot and unnecessary for our purposes but a 50mg tab a few times per day is a common dosage for asthma in Europe and some have been on it for decades.
I've said it before, but caffeine is a much stronger stimulant than ephedrine and certainly feels "dirtier". Think about that when you order your Starbucks caffeine bomb. Take 25mg of ephedrine with no caffeine and see how jacked up you become. You really don't
Adrenal fatigue may very well be a bullshit term, but the idea that something in our bodies that produces energy and vigor is being thwarted is very sound. That's probably why it's so widespread.
For instance, if we didn't have the word "addiction" we would still understand that some people who take recreational drugs still feel a strong urge to abuse despite many negative effects.
And really, is it so hard to believe that our bodies are being run in overdrive? Caffeine is everywhere and hidden in just about every "energy drink, 0 calorie" bullshit product plus the constant use of TVs and phones to wreck our sleep cycle. Let's not forget the first world stress as well... In short, "adrenal fatigue" might be a shit term but it attempts to describe some real malady.
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Adrenal fatigue may very well be a bullshit term, but the idea that something in our bodies that produces energy and vigor is being thwarted is very sound. That's probably why it's so widespread.
For instance, if we didn't have the word "addiction" we would still understand that some people who take recreational drugs still feel a strong urge to abuse despite many negative effects.
And really, is it so hard to believe that our bodies are being run in overdrive? Caffeine is everywhere and hidden in just about every "energy drink, 0 calorie" bullshit product plus the constant use of TVs and phones to wreck our sleep cycle. Let's not forget the first world stress as well... In short, "adrenal fatigue" might be a shit term but it attempts to describe some real malady.
Sure, but there is no way to diagnose it. Is it a mental affliction like allergy to electric devices some claim to have and which feels very real to those people? Ephedrine does affect some reward chemicals so there can be some withdrawal effects. But so does caffeine. Doesn't necessarily mean your adrenals are burned out.
What some call adrenal exhaustion might just be depression for whatever reason. Depression can make you exhausted and ultra sensitive to any bodily sensations.
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Sure, but there is no way to diagnose it. Is it a mental affliction like allergy to electric devices some claim to have and which feels very real to those people? Ephedrine does affect some reward chemicals so there can be some withdrawal effects. But so does caffeine. Doesn't necessarily mean your adrenals are burned out.
What some call adrenal exhaustion might just be depression for whatever reason. Depression can make you exhausted and ultra sensitive to any bodily sensations.
I agree with what you're saying.
We can't diagnose it. Not being able to diagnose something doesn't preclude it from being "real" in some ways.
For what it's worth, I think it's a string of bad things going together -- high stress, low nutrition food, tons of caffeine, sleep disturbances. That's probably the majority of the population and now you can sprinkle in cigarettes, drugs (Rx or rec), alcohol, pollutants from work or environment, people living off Flint water, etc etc.
Do we really think these things won't have an effect over time? Beau Baisden didn't die from a year of doing roids, but after a decade he sure put himself in a nice deep pile of shit!
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ephedrine is like adderall so it's probably fair to assume what works for adderall dependency works for ephedrine. maybe?
turns out aerobic exercise is the cure for all the fatigue etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Addiction
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ephedrine is like adderall so it's probably fair to assume what works for adderall dependency works for ephedrine. maybe?
turns out aerobic exercise is the cure for all the fatigue etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Addiction
Aerobic exercise is good for human life. Pretty much that simple.
But so is eating nutritious, unprocessed food.
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Aerobic exercise is good for human life. Pretty much that simple.
But so is eating nutritious, unprocessed food.
up to a point. endurance athletes tend to develop their own set of cardiovascular issues, contrary to popular perception.
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I agree with what you're saying.
We can't diagnose it. Not being able to diagnose something doesn't preclude it from being "real" in some ways.
For what it's worth, I think it's a string of bad things going together -- high stress, low nutrition food, tons of caffeine, sleep disturbances. That's probably the majority of the population and now you can sprinkle in cigarettes, drugs (Rx or rec), alcohol, pollutants from work or environment, people living off Flint water, etc etc.
Do we really think these things won't have an effect over time? Beau Baisden didn't die from a year of doing roids, but after a decade he sure put himself in a nice deep pile of shit!
Ephedrine can have side effects for sure, but all in all a relatively safe substance, even compared to something like caffeine which can make you feel like death. Think how many people used it.
I'm just always questioning things and don't take anecdotes as fact necessarily. People have major symptoms from many common things, like fluoride toothpaste or radiation from their cellphone or whatever and when you investigate closer the person may be just a neurotic.
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friend of mine lost everything through ephedrine, started taking it to train then all the time, then started taking Nubain to sleep at night.
Ended up on the streets like a junkie.
Hes sorted himself out now but the physical effects wont ever leave him.
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friend of mine lost everything through ephedrine, started taking it to train then all the time, then started taking Nubain to sleep at night.
Ended up on the streets like a junkie.
Hes sorted himself out now but the physical effects wont ever leave him.
Again, ephedrine is a rather mild stimulant, weaker than caffeine, which he used too I'm sure. Might as well say he fucked himself with coffee. You don't need Nubain to sleep due to ephedrine just like you don't need it due to drinking coffee. Bottom line, dude liked getting high. Sure pain killers can help you train hard but mainly they make you feel goood... rest is just excuses.