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Birdie Sanders on the way! 8)
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Too little too late.
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Too little too late.
Not at all.
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He has done so very much better in this race than what the media would have us believe. If you look at the actual delegate count (have to dig deep for that, because they're still placing supers w hilary), it is much closer than you might think. After today, it will be even closer.
No reason at all for him to drop anything. Whites are backing him, and many of them will not back Hillary. So Bernie should stay in it to keep the pressure up. It's not over.
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Not this shit again.
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Not this shit again.
What the fuck do you care? Who are you backing? Have you said?
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Either you are TA talking to himself or???
Would me naming a name make it easier for you? What if I don't have one? My god! No name to play teams with? More melting then?
TA was behind Trump just last week. Now Bernie wins something and return of the all caps and red letters. Haha.
Wanting to be on the winning side that badly is just odd, really...even more so for somebody who rags on pro sports fandom on here.
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Either you are TA talking to himself or???
Would me naming a name make it easier for you? What if I don't have one? My god! No name to play teams with? More melting then?
Yes. You're great at criticizing everybody, which is easy to do, but not so good at backing anyone.
TA was behind Trump just last week. Now Bernie wins something and return of the all caps and red letters. Haha.
Wanting to be on the winning side that badly is just odd, really...even more so for somebody who rags on pro sports fandom on here.
He's said Bernie is his first choice, but that he'll back Trump as Plan B.
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Yes. You're great at criticizing everybody, which is easy to do, but not so good at backing anyone.
He's said Bernie is his first choice, but that he'll back Trump as Plan B.
So he goes from a communist to a capitalist then back to a communist? He sounds confused. Hahahaha
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So he goes from a communist to a capitalist then back to a communist? He sounds confused. Hahahaha
They are nearer in philosophy than any other two candidates. The rest of them are practically identical to one another.
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They are nearer in philosophy than any other two candidates. The rest are practically identical to one another.
Really? One wants to tax your ass (and at every level) up to 90% and they other wants to put more money in your pocket. That's just one example.
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Really? One wants to tax your ass (and at every level) up to 90% and they other wants to put more money in your pocket. That's just one example.
Does this mean you're on Team Trump?
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Does this mean you're on Team Trump?
No. It's just means the two are polar opposites
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Really? One wants to tax your ass (and at every level) up to 90% and they other wants to put more money in your pocket. That's just one example.
No need for you to worry, dumbfuck. You can only wet dream about being in a tax bracket that would have you pay 90%.
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No. It's just means the two are polar opposites
They are the only two who say they'll end the race to the bottom through trade agreements, which puts them completely in their own category.
Not only do the rest refuse to commit to that, but their ideas will make things worse. Much worse.
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He's said Bernie is his first choice, but that he'll back Trump as Plan B.
Quite a few people fit into this category.
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Quite a few people fit into this category.
I think so too.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-seeks-caucus-trifecta-win-close-delegate-gap-37947038
What was that third state? Ahhhh, wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-seeks-caucus-trifecta-win-close-delegate-gap-37947038
What was that third state? Ahhhh, wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
Hawaii.
A complete routing.
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Yes. You're great at criticizing everybody, which is easy to do, but not so good at backing anyone.
He's said Bernie is his first choice, but that he'll back Trump as Plan B.
Trump and Sanders are not the same platform. Come on. Choosing Sanders and then Trump is just playing odds of who wins in the obvious light of not wanting Hillary in any case.
I dislike the whole field. Hell, I believe the prez is selected not elected anyway. If Trump is genuine then I guess he would be the choice just based on the fact that he's not an established politician and there may be some small chance he wants to be a statesman. I like non-incumbents, term limits, etc. The govt doesn't not need to make more laws to pay themselves and take more personal freedom away. Gridlock is a good thing and ensures things move slowly as intended.
I have never voted for the winning president going all the way back to Perot though, so consider that. Probably means Trump fizzles and we end up with Hillary. Occam's razor...
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Trump and Sanders are not the same platform. Come on. Choosing Sanders and then Trump is just playing odds of who wins in the obvious light of not wanting Hillary in any case.
I dislike the whole field. Hell, I believe the prez is selected not elected anyway. If Trump is genuine then I guess he would be the choice just based on the fact that he's not an established politician and there may be some small chance he wants to be a statesman. I like non-incumbents, term limits, etc. The govt doesn't not need to make more laws to pay themselves and take more personal freedom away. Gridlock is a good thing and ensures things move slowly as intended.
I have never voted for the winning president going all the way back to Perot though, so consider that. Probably means Trump fizzles and we end up with Hillary. Occam's razor...
I feel you, Someparts. I think I had you figures wrong in the beginning.
And yes, gridlock is a good thing. The system was partly designed to work this way.
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Other than Washington...there's practically no delegates in the states. Hillary didn't even bother campaigning there. Its been over for Bernie.
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Other than Washington...there's practically no delegates in the states. Hillary didn't even bother campaigning there. Its been over for Bernie.
Your slavemaster is not going to win. Keep longing for the 90s. ;D
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Other than Washington...there's practically no delegates in the states. Hillary didn't even bother campaigning there. Its been over for Bernie.
Seriously though, I have had conversations with blacks and they really are not educated at all about politics. Its similar to this really. If blacks knew better (which most don't) they would realize that they fucked up big time with their votes. You included Vince. (unless you want Trump) Anyways, you have been wrong this entire Primary and will continue to be wrong. ;)
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Seriously though, I have had conversations with blacks and they really are not educated at all about politics. Its similar to this really. If blacks knew better (which most don't) they would realize that they fucked up big time with their votes. You included Vince. (unless you want Trump) Anyways, you have been wrong this entire Primary and will continue to be wrong. ;)
You speak as if whites are smarter than blacks. Your assessment is very foolish considering that there are plenty of white people voting for Hillary. Blacks are not voting for Bernie because he's a fraudulent Democrat. He was independent and voted with the GOP numerous time and only switched to Democrat last year so he could run. Who care if he was arrested in the 60's...fact is that you can't claim to not be part of the establishment when you've been a career politician. Blacks see Bernie for WHO HE REALLY IS AND SO DO WHITES.
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Trump and Sanders are not the same platform. Come on. Choosing Sanders and then Trump is just playing odds of who wins in the obvious light of not wanting Hillary in any case.
I dislike the whole field. Hell, I believe the prez is selected not elected anyway. If Trump is genuine then I guess he would be the choice just based on the fact that he's not an established politician and there may be some small chance he wants to be a statesman. I like non-incumbents, term limits, etc. The govt doesn't not need to make more laws to pay themselves and take more personal freedom away. Gridlock is a good thing and ensures things move slowly as intended.
I have never voted for the winning president going all the way back to Perot though, so consider that. Probably means Trump fizzles and we end up with Hillary. Occam's razor...
Did you vote for Perot?
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What's funny is that Adonis is praising this 3 state sweep except when you look at the vote count, its a complete joke. There were less than 600 votes cast in Alaska and barely over 40,000 each in Hawaii and Washington.
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Seth Abramson makes some very interesting points:
Nobody cares how well a politician does at the ballot box when he or she is running for an office unopposed. What matters is how a politician performs in contested primaries and general elections, as when it really matters — like it will, for instance, this November — you can be certain of a contested election.
With that said, let’s make an important observation: Bernie Sanders has tied or beaten Hillary Clinton in a majority of the actively contested votes this election season.
You doubt it? Okay, let me explain.
Bernie Sanders has terrible name recognition in states where he hasn’t advertised or campaigned yet; meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has universal name recognition everywhere. Realizing this, the Clinton camp pushed hard to rack up the early vote in every state where early voting was an option. They did this not primarily for the reason we’ve been told — because Clinton performs well among older voters, and older voters are more likely to vote early than other age demographics — but rather because they knew that early votes are almost always cast before the election season actually begins in a given state.
That’s right — in each state, most of the early primary voting occurs before the candidates have aired any commercials or held any campaign events. For Bernie Sanders, this means that early voting happens, pretty much everywhere, before anyone knows who he is. Certainly, early voting occurs in each state before voters have developed a sufficient level of familiarity and comfort with Sanders to vote for him.
But on Election Day — among voters who’ve been present and attentive for each candidate’s commercials, local news coverage, and live events — Sanders tends to tie or beat Clinton.
In fact, that’s the real reason Sanders does well in caucuses.
It’s not because caucuses “require a real time investment,” as the media likes to euphemistically say, but because caucuses require that you vote on Election Day rather than well before it.
Consider: in North Carolina, Hillary Clinton only won Election Day voting 52% to 48%. Given the shenanigans in evidence during the live voting there — thousands of college students were turned away from the polls due to insufficient identification under a new voter-suppression statute in the state — it wouldn’t be unfair to call that 4-point race more like a 2-point one (51% to 49% for Clinton).
Consider: on Super Tuesday 3, because early voting is always reported first, Clinton’s margins of victory were originally believed to be 25 points in Missouri, 30 points in Illinois, and 30 points in Ohio. Missouri, which doesn’t have conventional early voting, ended up a tie. Illinois ended up with a 1.8% margin for Clinton (after being a 42-point race in Clinton’s favor just a week earlier) and Ohio a 13.8% margin.
Any one of us could do the math there. And yet the media never did.
Consider: in Arizona yesterday, the election was called almost immediately by the media, with Clinton appearing to “win” the state by a margin of 61.5% to 36.1%. Of course, this was all early voting. CNN even wrongly reported that these early votes constituted the live vote in 41% of all Arizona precincts — rather than merely mail-in votes constituting a percentage of the total projected vote in the state — which allowed most Americans to go to bed believing both that Clinton had won Arizona by more than 25 points and that that margin was the result of nearly half of Arizona’s precincts reporting their live-voting results. Neither was true.
In fact, as of the time of that 61.5% to 36.1% “win,” not a single precinct in Arizona had reported its Election Day results.
Indeed, more than two and a half hours after polls closed in Arizona, officials there had counted only 54,000 of the estimated 431,000 Election Day ballots.
That’s about 12%.
So how did Bernie Sanders do on Election Day in Arizona?
As of the writing of this essay (2:45 AM ET), Sanders was leading Clinton in Election Day voting in Arizona 50.2% to 49.8%, with just under 75,000 votes (about 17.3% of all Election Day votes) counted.
So imagine, for a moment, that early votes were reported to the media last rather than first. Which, of course, they quite easily could be, given that they’re less — rather than more — reflective of the actual state of opinion on Election Day. Were early votes reported last rather than first, Arizona as of 2:45 AM ET would have been considered not only too close to call but a genuine nail-biter. In fact, only 400 or so Election Day votes were separating the two Democratic candidates at that point — though the momentum with each new vote counted was quite clearly in Sanders’ favor.
So the question becomes, why does any of this matter? Does the point being made here — that Bernie Sanders is as or more popular than Hillary in both all the states he won and many of the states he didn’t — gain Sanders a single delegate? Does it move him one inch closer to being President?
No.
What it does do is explain why the Clinton-Sanders race is a 5-point race nationally — just a hair from being a statistical tie, given the margin of error — despite the media treating Clinton’s nomination as a foregone conclusion.
What it does do is explain how Clinton is “beating” Sanders among American voters despite having a -13 favorability rating nationally, as compared to Sanders’ +11 rating. That dramatic difference is possible because in favorability polling, pollsters only count voters who say they know enough about a candidate to form an opinion. That eliminates the sort of “early voters” who cast ballots for Hillary Clinton before having much of a handle on who Bernie Sanders is.
And what it does do is explain why Sanders outperforms Clinton against Donald Trump in nearly every state where head-to-head general-election polling data is available. While some of this is undoubtedly due to the fact that Sanders beats Clinton by between 30 and 40 points among Independents — itself a major warning sign for a Clinton candidacy this fall — the rest is explained by the fact that when voters come to know Bernie Sanders as well as they already know Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, they tend to prefer him to these two by clear margins.
The Hillary camp, and Hillary supporters, are justly excited about how their candidate is performing in the delegate horse-race. The problem is that that excitement is quickly becoming the sort of arrogance that will in fact endanger Hillary’s candidacy for President. Both she and her team — including all her millions of supporters — should consider the fact that Hillary does not, outside the deep-red Deep South, do particularly well among voters when they’re given any other reasonable alternative. The fact that early voting statutes and media reporting of elections in America favors the maintenance of the illusion that Hillary remains popular when voters become familiar with other credible options does not excuse ignorance of the reality; certainly, it won’t help Democrats in November.
And given that a demagogue like Donald Trump is the likely Republican nominee, that’s a scary thought for many Americans. Sanders voters should want — and most do want — a Clinton campaign that understands its weaknesses sufficiently to ameliorate them in a general election, should Clinton be the Democratic nominee. Right now that’s clearly not happening, and the national media is unfortunately enabling the persistence and expansion of these troubling blind-spots.
Finally, we’d be remiss if we didn’t talk about super-delegates. These are folks who are supposed to be supporting whichever candidate has the best chance of winning in November. We already know, per head-to-head general-election polling, that the better candidate to run against Donald Trump is Bernie Sanders; however, many super-delegates (and most of the media) dismiss general election polling this early on, even though Sanders’ commanding lead over Trump is clearly statistically relevant. (This is especially true given that his name recognition lags well behind Trump’s.)
But what about the argument, implicitly being made to super-delegates now, and likely to be made to them explicitly in Philadelphia this summer, that Bernie Sanders has, broadly speaking, out-performed Hillary Clinton in Election Day voting? Given that Election Day voting in the spring is the very same sort of high-information voting that will occur in November, you’d think super-delegates would be quite interested to know that, in live voting, Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton more often than not.
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What's funny is that Adonis is praising this 3 state sweep except when you look at the vote count, its a complete joke. There were less than 600 votes cast in Alaska and barely over 40,000 each in Hawaii and Washington.
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Uh, Vote totals for the Alaska Democratic Party are state convention delegates won, not total votes, Vince, as its a caucus.
Would help to learn a bit about the election process.
There were thousands and thousands who showed up to all the states for Bernie. In fact, he doubled Baracks voter turnout in each of those states and won by LARGER margins than he did. Not only that he killed in Hawaii better than even native son Barack did.
You need to read a little more on this.
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What's funny is that Adonis is praising this 3 state sweep except when you look at the vote count, its a complete joke. There were less than 600 votes cast in Alaska and barely over 40,000 each in Hawaii and Washington.
There were 5,000 here for Bernie in Alaska just at one location.
Thousands of people filed into caucus sites around Alaska Saturday ... The Anchorage Fire Department estimated the crowd at this location to be over 5,000
(https://www.adn.com/sites/default/files/styles/ad_slideshow_wide/public/160326-dems-caucus-14.jpg?itok=qgdDlYuH)
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if we remove all the superdelegates, what is the new hilary/bernie score?
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I think Vince just reads or hears headlines without knowing any of the story or facts.
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Delegate count is 1243 to 975, and it is headed for the Northeast.
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if we remove all the superdelegates, what is the new hilary/bernie score?
1261 to 1031.
Here are some points to consider.
1. The rest of the states will still continue to be Bernie wins and by large amounts. Hillary will only continue to lose support, not gain.
2. The trends and data all have Bernie making it impossible for Hillary to clinch the nomination because she will lack the magic number of delegates by a few, thus it will go to convention.
3. New polls this week have Bernie now ahead Nationally in front of Hillary. Bloomberg poll: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeUMJXAWEAAzSOi.jpg:large)
4. Superdelegates will have to make a decision to switch to someone who can beat Trump. Right now, Bernie DOMINATES Trump whereas Hillary does not. Bernie beats Trump by HUGE margins and Hillary does not according to all data. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274402-sanders-superdelegates-may-jump-from-clinton Superdelegates may now be eyeing switch from Clinton
5. 30-60 percent of Bernie voters WILL NOT vote for Hilary making her not even a viable candidate against Trump.
6. The only candidate that can easily beat Trump right now is Bernie.
(http://s7.postimg.org/6ca6i0p7v/Yp2z_GYT.jpg)
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Delegate count is 1243 to 975, and it is headed for the Northeast.
1261 to 1031 should be the correct number. Very close and Bernie is going to make it impossible for her to clinch anything.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
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Upcoming contests. Wisconsin and Wyoming, actually, then to the NE.
April 5 – Wisconsin primaries
April 9 – Wyoming Democratic caucus
April 19 – New York primaries
April 26 – Connecticut primaries, Delaware primaries, Maryland primaries, Pennsylvania primaries, Rhode Island primaries
May 3 – Indiana primaries
May 7 – Guam Democratic caucuses
May 10 – Nebraska Republican primary, West Virginia primaries
May 17 – Oregon primaries and Kentucky Democratic primary
May 24 – Washington Republican primary
June 4 – U.S. Virgin Islands Democratic caucuses
June 5 – Puerto Rico Democratic caucuses
June 7 – New Jersey primaries, California primaries, Montana primaries, New Mexico primaries, North Dakota Democratic caucuses, South Dakota primaries
June 14 – District of Columbia Democratic primary.
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1261 to 1031 should be the correct number. Very close and Bernie is going to make it impossible for her to clinch anything.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
I like that better. I bet MSM purposely hasn't done a proper update from yesterday, and that's why the other numbers are posted on Google etc. They might as well come out and admit they're in this for Hilary's benefit and no one else.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cef40MTWsAAMJFA.jpg:large)
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1261 to 1031.
Here are some points to consider.
1. The rest of the states will still continue to be Bernie wins and by large amounts. Hillary will only continue to lose support, not gain.
2. The trends and data all have Bernie making it impossible for Hillary to clinch the nomination because she will lack the magic number of delegates by a few, thus it will go to convention.
3. New polls this week have Bernie now ahead Nationally in front of Hillary. Bloomberg poll: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeUMJXAWEAAzSOi.jpg:large)
4. Superdelegates will have to make a decision to switch to someone who can beat Trump. Right now, Bernie DOMINATES Trump whereas Hillary does not. Bernie beats Trump by HUGE margins and Hillary does not according to all data. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274402-sanders-superdelegates-may-jump-from-clinton Superdelegates may now be eyeing switch from Clinton
5. 30-60 percent of Bernie voters WILL NOT vote for Hilary making her not even a viable candidate against Trump.
6. The only candidate that can easily beat Trump right now is Bernie.
(http://s7.postimg.org/6ca6i0p7v/Yp2z_GYT.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeTzhaEVAAAWQ4f.jpg:large)
Bernie Sanders will not win the Superdelegates because he switched parties last year. That's why he hardly has any. If he switched parties in 2008, he might have done somewhat better.
Sorry, but he's not winning enough delegates to catch up. Wisconsin will be a split, he will likely win Wyoming, but New York!!!! New York IS WHERE WALL STREET IS and lots of black people....lets not forget that Hillary was the Senator from NY so she already has the ground game on Bernie.
This race ended a long time ago. Give it up
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Bernie Sanders will not win the Superdelegates because he switched parties last year. That's why he hardly has any. If he switched parties in 2008, he might have done somewhat better.
Sorry, but he's not winning enough delegates to catch up. Wisconsin will be a split, he will likely win Wyoming, but New York!!!! New York IS WHERE WALL STREET IS and lots of black people....lets not forget that Hillary was the Senator from NY so she already has the ground game on Bernie.
This race ended a long time ago. Give it up
You don't "win" Superdelegates Vince. They are not winnable.
He is catching up obviously and will win nearly every single state forward. Hillary will be unable to reach the magic number or she will be left behind. New York only has 15 percent blacks which is similar to Michigan, which Bernie won.
If you are saying black people are stupid because they vote for Hillary, I agree. They are, but its not going to matter in New York. Bernie does not even have to win New York (although he may) to still stop Hillary from clinching or even him pulling ahead when its said and done.
I know you have not been paying any attention at all to what is going on in each campaign, but once you do, you will see how wrong you are and have been and will be.
Hillary does get the idiot black vote and some of the moron gay black gay latino vote (despite being against gay marriage for decades), but what can you do? Blacks reached their peak in the 90s. Their entire culture has been stagnant since. They still dress and act just like they did 20 plus years ago-sagging pants and all. I just hope they grow up one day and move on from that pitiful existence of perpetual poverty.
I guess 15 dollars an hour min. wage, costless healthcare and free college tuition is not good enough for blacks because it takes away their victimhood status and would force them to actually have to do something. :-\
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Did you vote for Perot?
I absolutely did. You have to realize I was at the age of entry level jobs and the job market was tight. Also there were no perpetual govt benefits and unlimited unemployment then as there is now. It was hard to find a job and I hated college so I was looking to work.
My choices were an old man that didn't know what the price of a loaf of bread was(that was a big deal at the time), a southern lawyer that seemed like a character out of Dallas(and an obvious over-promiser and liar) and Perot who was very plain spoken and common sense. It just so happens that Perot picked a great man but terrible running mate but still carried double digits. I don't remember the social issues of the time, it was all about the economy for me.
Now before you say Trump is just Perot over again - that may be. And as I've said if Slick Willy does it again by putting a third candidate into play he is a political genius with no equal. I think Bill has been VERY quiet all through this. Too quiet.
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Forget Sanders....they are not running him vs Trump or Cruz. I have no idea how he'd do in a debate against either...trump would smother him with his bullshit and Cruz would destroy his positions. Handout Bernie ain't winning shit.
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Forget Sanders....they are not running him vs Trump or Cruz. I have no idea how he'd do in a debate against either...trump would smother him with his bullshit and Cruz would destroy his positions. Handout Bernie ain't winning shit.
You are not that intelligent if you think any of things would happen. Bernie destroys Clinton and I do not think Trump or Cruz could actually do that to Clinton when it comes to substance. Trump can make fun of her, but thats about it. They have no chance against Bernie. In fact, Bernie wanted to debate Trump on Fox and Trump backed away from it, scared.
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Forget Sanders....they are not running him vs Trump or Cruz. I have no idea how he'd do in a debate against either...trump would smother him with his bullshit and Cruz would destroy his positions. Handout Bernie ain't winning shit.
I have no issues with Bernie's so called handouts because they are nothing of the sort. He's wanting to GIVE BACK the money brought in from taxes to the middle class. The only people that have been getting handout is the banks and large corporations.
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Um...how about not tax us in the first place. How about the 51% who don't pay a fucking dime in taxes to start with. The programs he wants benefit those who are lazy and do not contribute a fucking thing. Free college...really. So these assholes can take African studies or gay and lesbian lit classes...really. The only beautiful thing about what that idiot trump has brought is that more and more we don't have to be civil to the Left. The repub establishment is getting hammered from its base. The left is seen for what it is. Further...the West cannot afford to have, at its head, a weak man who had no discernable trade until age 40, panders to racial agitators, identifies with communists and socialists and generally has a disdain for what this country stands for. We have had the worst man at the worst possible time for 8 years...if we got a cock sucking shitbag like Sanders, the country and the West will decline past the point of redemption. You libs are a stain upon the country
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Um...how about not tax us in the first place. How about the 51% who don't pay a fucking dime in taxes to start with. The programs he wants benefit those who are lazy and do not contribute a fucking thing. Free college...really. So these assholes can take African studies or gay and lesbian lit classes...really. The only beautiful thing about what that idiot trump has brought is that more and more we don't have to be civil to the Left. The repub establishment is getting hammered from its base. The left is seen for what it is. Further...the West cannot afford to have, at its head, a weak man who had no discernable trade until age 40, panders to racial agitators, identifies with communists and socialists and generally has a disdain for what this country stands for. We have had the worst man at the worst possible time for 8 years...if we got a cock sucking shitbag like Sanders, the country and the West will decline past the point of redemption. You libs are a stain upon the country
That's not true at all. People still pay taxes of food, goods, property tax, etc. That "no tax" is regarding to taxes taken from wages. Don't forget that people that are retired are lumped into that total and quite frankly, don't you think they've paid enough taxes???
Even the really poor and homeless pay taxes....its called the educational lottery
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Right and they're taxed enough...but income tax/payroll tax is massive and should only be necessary for only those things outlined in the Constitution.
In any event the FBI is getting ready to question Hil, so maybe Sanders is the last man standing
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I love it.
"Sure, you're going to be taxed a shit load more but you'll get that money back via government constructed and dispensed programs!"
Oh wow! Where do I sign up??!?!
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I absolutely did. You have to realize I was at the age of entry level jobs and the job market was tight. Also there were no perpetual govt benefits and unlimited unemployment then as there is now. It was hard to find a job and I hated college so I was looking to work.
My choices were an old man that didn't know what the price of a loaf of bread was(that was a big deal at the time), a southern lawyer that seemed like a character out of Dallas(and an obvious over-promiser and liar) and Perot who was very plain spoken and common sense. It just so happens that Perot picked a great man but terrible running mate but still carried double digits. I don't remember the social issues of the time, it was all about the economy for me.
Now before you say Trump is just Perot over again - that may be. And as I've said if Slick Willy does it again by putting a third candidate into play he is a political genius with no equal. I think Bill has been VERY quiet all through this. Too quiet.
Whether or not Clinton and Trump are working together, this may be the final stage of the Clinton plan. Really good point. Trump would be perfect for his part in that plan, because people are either strongly for him or strongly against him.
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This is going all the way to June at the least.
If Bernie wins California like he won states on Saturday, he will win the non-super delegate count.
If they give it to Clinton after that, then they are trying to crumble their own party and I don't think the Democrats are willing to do it.
Remember this also. The southern states that Clinton won are almost all going to be Red anyway. In the general election, Clinton won't win those anyway.
Also. Someone said something about NY.
She is NOT a New Yorker. Period.
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I love it.
"Sure, you're going to be taxed a shit load more but you'll get that money back via government constructed and dispensed programs!"
Oh wow! Where do I sign up??!?!
You won't get taxed more since you don't make more than 250,000 dollars a year.
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You won't get taxed more since you don't make more than 250,000 dollars a year.
How do you know?
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How do you know?
He's welcoming him to dispute it. So we'll see if he does.
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How do you know?
Because very few people in America make that much and chances are surely he is not one of the few. You are not either.
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He's welcoming him to dispute it. So we'll see if he does.
Why does he need to dispute something some internet dummy pulled out of his rear end?
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Because very few people in America make that much and chances are surely he is not one of the few. You are not either.
lol
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Why does he need to dispute something some internet dummy pulled out of his rear end?
He doesn't need to dispute anything if he'd rather not.