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Title: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 04:23:53 AM
It's a real thing. What the actual fuck?
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 29, 2016, 04:30:33 AM
I heard it might have something to do with spinal stenosis with advanced age?

The threat is indeed real. Matt Mendenhall is a good example. Still in great shape for his age, but his former awesome tris just don't look right, even taking into account him not being as large as back then. Note that the lower edge of the tricep seems ragged and torn, perhaps a side effect of it retreated up the arm as it atrophies?

 
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 04:32:40 AM
I heard it might have something to do with spinal stenosis with advanced age?

The threat is indeed real. Matt Mendenhall is a good example. Still in great shape for his age, but his former awesome tris just don't look right, even taking into account him not being as large as back then. Note that the lower edge of the tricep seems ragged and torn, perhaps a side effect of it retreated up the arm as it atrophies?  

Mine just basically shrank. I've always had relatively strong triceps and still do, but they just are flat with no fullness or pop. Very disappointing. If my tris matched my bis I would have a nice 18.5-19" arm.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Royalty on March 29, 2016, 04:41:22 AM
Heavy, weighted bench dips will cure this phenomenon
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 04:44:02 AM
Heavy, weighted bench dips will cure this phenomenon

Not always. I've been doing heavy weighted dips (i am actually between sets as I wrote this) for years and it hasn't stopped ARTA. Maybe slowed it down.

(Heavy == 90 pounds on belt. Maybe not enough?)
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 04:49:50 AM
Heavy, weighted bench dips will cure this phenomenon

Wait, are "bench dips" those shoulder-wrecking dips with your hands behind you and your feet on a bench?
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Royalty on March 29, 2016, 04:55:06 AM
Wait, are "bench dips" those shoulder-wrecking dips with your hands behind you and your feet on a bench?

Set up your high bench.. and do your "bench dips" on your TDS unit

That might be better for your shoulders
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 05:00:09 AM
Set up your high bench.. and do your "bench dips" on your TDS unit

That might be better for your shoulders

I like regular parallel bar dips. They don't bother me at all. As soon as my shoulder tendonitis is done, I will get back to close-grip benching, but honestly nothing helps.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: equipoise on March 29, 2016, 05:05:16 AM
Yes sadly I think it's real. Maybe too many years of heavy pressing movements actually causes it. Look how ronnie's triceps shrank (although this probably has a lot to do with his spinal surgeries etc.). I also read that GH causes pointy elbows over time although I dunno how true this is. With that said, I've looked at pictures of Jack Lalanne when he was old and his triceps were not that different from when he was young.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 05:10:08 AM
I also have high tricep insertions, like at the fucking rear delt, ffs. My wife has gorgeous low insertions near the elbow and has great tricep lines. Grumble. I can still take her in biceps, tho!
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Waller on March 29, 2016, 05:14:06 AM
Just book a family holiday to Mexico and get some PMMA.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: pellius on March 29, 2016, 05:22:19 AM
Heavy, weighted bench dips will cure this phenomenon

No it won't. You don't think AJ has tried everything in the book?

Father time always  wins in the end.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Disco187 on March 29, 2016, 05:31:53 AM
Yes sadly I think it's real. Maybe too many years of heavy pressing movements actually causes it. Look how ronnie's triceps shrank (although this probably has a lot to do with his spinal surgeries etc.). I also read that GH causes pointy elbows over time although I dunno how true this is. With that said, I've looked at pictures of Jack Lalanne when he was old and his triceps were not that different from when he was young.

I think ronnie has bursitis, his one elbow seams to be ok with the other looking horrible,  there fluid that builds up from the inflamation that needs to be removed.  I saw other people non weightlifters with the same exact thing. when i first saw it I thought it must be from the growth aswell. 
plus i think his spinal chord shrank his triceps aswell threw cervical or upper thoracic vertebral disc herniation that presses on the nerve cause the tricep muscle to not respond to hypertrophy
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: drkaje on March 29, 2016, 05:51:17 AM
If it's an entrapment, you might have some success with a Chiropractor who practices ART (Active Release Technique).
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Grape Ape on March 29, 2016, 05:56:08 AM
There is a cure for this.

Worry about speed, strength, and the domination of suburban flag football circuits.

As you stare admirably at your latest championship trophy, the size of your putrid triceps will be an afterthought, at worst, or completely forgotten, at best.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: devilsmile on March 29, 2016, 05:59:55 AM
_aj_ it's called aging, you need to let this shit go and just be happy with whatever tools you have left in this body shaping lifestyle :D. There's no going back in time
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 07:38:39 AM
_aj_ it's called aging, you need to let this shit go and just be happy with whatever tools you have left in this body shaping lifestyle :D. There's no going back in time

Trust me, I am very aware and quite happy in life. That doesn't mean that I can't aspire for more, nor does it mean that I will be delusional with myself when I hit a side tricep.  :-X
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: devilsmile on March 29, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
Trust me, I am very aware and quite happy in life. That doesn't mean that I can't aspire for more, nor does it mean that I will be delusional with myself when I hit a side tricep.  :-X

most important thing ;D
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: da_vinci on March 29, 2016, 08:56:33 AM
It's like with cock, shirnks in half after 60  :-X

I'm preparing myself psychologcally to have a 6 incher some day.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Grape Ape on March 29, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
I'm preparing myself psychologcally to have a 6 incher some day.

Use enough lube and I doubt you'll even feel it.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: drkaje on March 29, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Use enough lube and I doubt you'll even feel it.


Always helpful. :)
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: CalvinH on March 29, 2016, 12:49:25 PM
It's a real thing. What the actual fuck?


Time to up the dose!
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Royalty on March 29, 2016, 01:18:20 PM
A lot of bro science and poor advice in this thread. Yes, your muscle has atrophied so the secret is weighted dips  ::)

Weighted dips.... It's a proven, guaranteed approach
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Parker on March 29, 2016, 01:48:06 PM
Yet Vince Taylor and the Ageless One were in their 50s still competing and had full triceps.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: judochoke on March 29, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
59 in three days. my triceps are still big, full, and strong. no problems for me. maybe I'm lucky. still can do nose busters no problem.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 05:03:22 PM
59 in three days. my triceps are still big, full, and strong. no problems for me. maybe I'm lucky. still can do nose busters no problem.

As can I. But the tris are lacking.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Pete Nice on March 29, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
Buy an inversion table and use it 2x daily for spinal decompression. 
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: pellius on March 29, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
Buy an inversion table and use it 2x daily for spinal decompression. 

Does it really work? I was thinking about getting one of those.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 29, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
As can I. But the tris are lacking.

That's your bodybuilding-induced insecurity speaking. I'm your height and wish my biceps were half as good as yours... high tris too. And I'm still in my '20s.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 06:24:37 PM
That's your bodybuilding-induced insecurity speaking. I'm your height and wish my biceps were half as good as yours... high tris too. And I'm still in my '20s.

Body dysmorphia is a bitch.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Danimal77 on March 29, 2016, 06:26:26 PM
Mine just basically shrank. I've always had relatively strong triceps and still do, but they just are flat with no fullness or pop. Very disappointing. If my tris matched my bis I would have a nice 18.5-19" arm.

And if your mom had a dick she'd be your dad. Be happy with what you've got man. Mine are 16.5" (real measurement, not at an angle or pressed up against my body). I'm assuming yours are about the same size?
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 29, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
And if your mom had a dick she'd be your dad. Be happy with what you've got man. Mine are 16.5" (real measurement, not at an angle or pressed up against my body). I'm assuming yours are about the same size?

Legit cold 17.5, maybe a bit bigger. They've been 18, but I am trying to lean out a bit more.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: njflex on March 29, 2016, 06:39:53 PM
As can I. But the tris are lacking.
post a pic of those bad boys ...im sure your fine..you salt and pepper stud'no homo'
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: jude2 on March 29, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
I will explain part of this again. Most guys who trained for years begin to have elbow pain that interferes with training them, ie skull crushers.  Most stop doing overhead movements for the long head because of shoulder and elbow issuses.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 29, 2016, 09:52:28 PM
I will explain part of this again. Most guys who trained for years begin to have elbow pain that interferes with training them, ie skull crushers.  Most stop doing overhead movements for the long head because of shoulder and elbow issuses.

This.  I have talked to both Haney and Taylor (only two pros I know that are retired) about why this happens.  Lee doesn't have this problem.  He said he thinks it is because they have ruined their elbows, wrists and tendons over the years.  Most can't stimulate the long head of the triceps well enough to keep size there. 

Taylor just said "beats me". 
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: falco on March 30, 2016, 02:10:35 AM
The atrophy might be related with the gradual stifening of the spine, the cervical area in this case.
Last years i have been dealing with a cervical hernia, and one of the sympthoms was the left triceps atrophy, caused by the pressure in the nerves.
Muscle and therefore skeleton imbalances might agravate this condition. One thing that most bodybuilders have is the shoulders rotated forward, pulling the neck forward, creating stress points in the cervical area.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 30, 2016, 07:18:46 AM
post a pic of those bad boys ...im sure your fine..you salt and pepper stud'no homo'

If I can grab a pic that won't make me hurl, sure. I am doing arms tomorrow, so maybe that'll be the time. They'll have a "pump"  ::)
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Disco187 on March 30, 2016, 07:38:41 AM
It's like with cock, shirnks in half after 60  :-X

I'm preparing myself psychologcally to have a 6 incher some day.
hahahaahahha
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: HonestBob on March 30, 2016, 07:39:57 AM
it's almost always due to c4/c5 issues and attendant spinal stenosis.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: jude2 on March 30, 2016, 08:22:27 AM
it's almost always due to c4/c5 issues and attendant spinal stenosis.
If it was spinal issues, it would be below that level. Try C6/C7.  I may be this sometime. But I can tell you in my case it is more elbow joint related from training hard for the past 36 years straight.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 30, 2016, 09:20:24 AM
Dragonslayer a victim of ARTA:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=389461.0;attach=421109;image)
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: njflex on March 30, 2016, 09:26:59 AM
Dragonslayer a victim of ARTA:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=389461.0;attach=421109;image)
yeah but still considering former pro and still slamming gear he looks pretty good ,his arms were a weakness 'sorta' even in his younger yrs..
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 30, 2016, 09:29:20 AM
yeah but still considering former pro and still slamming gear he looks pretty good ,his arms were a weakness 'sorta' even in his younger yrs..

The chest implant is ridiculous though. He has good vascularity, but he just looks 100% drug-built as he gets older. Not much size, biceps look torn but apparently he never tore is bis, only his chest.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: njflex on March 30, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
The chest implant is ridiculous though. He has good vascularity, but he just looks 100% drug-built as he gets older. Not much size, biceps look torn but apparently he never tore is bis, only his chest.
agree,,but he knew his genetics early on weren't up to his contemporaries so he out worked and made up the rest with his 'regimine'to beat them.he had great chest,legs,insane conditioning..
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: devilsmile on March 30, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
The chest implant is ridiculous though. He has good vascularity, but he just looks 100% drug-built as he gets older. Not much size, biceps look torn but apparently he never tore is bis, only his chest.

he has a chest implant? Jeeeez, is it really that serious?
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 30, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
he has a chest implant? Jeeeez, is it really that serious?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623511;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623512;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623509;image)
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: WalterWhite on March 30, 2016, 10:05:21 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623511;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623512;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623509;image)

Right tri is gone.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: CalvinH on March 30, 2016, 11:20:00 AM
Does it really work? I was thinking about getting one of those.


Yes they do help.it takes a week or so of doing it but helps me with back pain.
my biggest problem is that I'm not consistent enough using it.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: _aj_ on March 30, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=575464.0;attach=623509;image)

What the actual fuck?
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 30, 2016, 03:07:53 PM
Benfatto beat the curse (so far), in his 50s.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: AbrahamG on March 30, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
Benfatto beat the curse (so far), in his 50s.

Would love to know how much he still uses?  His legs actually look like they may be bigger now than when he competed.
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Primemuscle on March 30, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
Ain't old age a bitch!
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Nether Animal on March 30, 2016, 07:59:34 PM
DEMEY and VALENTE still have their tris...
Title: Re: ARTA: Age-Related Tricep Atrophy
Post by: Slik on March 30, 2016, 10:45:40 PM
What the actual fuck?
r u sure u r not confusing loose skin for a chest implant?  It looks like he maybe had gyno removed and at his age it left a lot of loose skin to hang down.  Maybe?