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Title: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2016, 04:27:34 PM
Holy Shit....Bernie is toast :o


How Sanders Cleared Way to Dump Toxic Nuclear Waste on Poor Hispanics (and How They Fought Back)


Back in 1994, the state of Vermont had a problem: it had a nuclear power plant operating, but nowhere to dispose of the toxic waste. The Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant, located in Vernon, VT, provided 71.8% of all electricity generated within Vermont, amounting to 35% of Vermont's electricity consumption, according to figures in 2008. However, Vernon was deemed to be geologically unsuitable for nuclear waste disposal, so a search by the state began for a new low-level radioactive waste dump site. The result of the search: enter a tri-state compact with Texas and Maine to build a disposal facility in Texas and ship the waste there. Vermont's Legislature passed the General Assembly Act 137, which outlined the compact but still needed US Congressional approval to enact.

Enter our hero, then-Representative Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who ardently supported and  co-sponsored the bill H.R. 629, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Consent Act. Once passed and signed, the bill would validate the currently existing individual state bills, and thus start the construction of the waste disposal site. But where in Texas would the dump site be? Tasked with finding a suitable location, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Authority (TLLRWDA) recommended to build the waste facility five miles away from a small town in West Texas called Sierra Blanca:
“Sierra Blanca is a small town in Hudspeth County about 90 miles southeast of El Paso, TX and only 16 miles north of the Mexico border. There are about 900 residents, 60% of whom are mostly Hispanic. 30% of the roughly 430 housing units are vacant. Sierra Blanca is an extremely poor town where almost a third of the households live below the poverty level of $15,000. The town’s per capita income is about $10,500 but the entire county’s is only $8,000”
And how did they come to a decision to pick that town? Fighting the passage of bill H.R. 629 in the senate, Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) spoke on the matter in great length and detail. In short, it was a case of environmental injustice. Despite the findings of the consultants that Sierra Blanca was not a good site due to its “complex geology” and also a history of earthquakes in the past due to tectonic faults in El Paso and Hudspeth counties, the Waste Authority still went ahead and picked the site because the people living there would be least likely to resist or make a fuss about it, since the majority of the residents are Spanish-speaking and poor. They had tried to pick other locations for the site, but was met with either lawsuit or fierce opposition. So, finally, the Waste Authority just gave up and chose the path of least resistance, procedures and recommendations be damned. Texas legislature also gave a helping hand by passing the Box Law and stripped the rights of the residents in Sierra Blanca from suing. The only recourse they could take was to obtain an injunction from the state Supreme Court, which means they would have to make the 500-mile trip to Austin just to be heard.

A factoid one should note here was that at this time, the governor for whom the TLLRWDA was working was none other than George W. Bush. Oh, and Jane Sanders, Bernie's wife, sits on the Board of this wonderful Texas authority.

So, despite all that has happened to select the nuclear waste site, what was the course of action taken by Bernie Sanders? He feigned ignorance. Instead of acknowledging the environmental injustice that was going on, he washed his hands clean of any responsibility for that. While introducing the bill to the House, he insisted that it was not Congress’s job to designate a specific disposal site but that the task should be left up to Texas, a thinly veiled attempt to renege on responsibility and instead pass the buck to someone else. As far as he’s concerned, it’s only his job to ensure that somehow Vermont can send their toxic waste to Texas. The town name Sierra Blanca was mentioned over 58 times during the course of the debates on the bill. It’s highly doubtful that Bernie Sanders didn’t know exactly where they were going to dump the toxic waste from Vermont.

Fortunately, the local residents were not just going to take it lying down. In 1994, Bill Addington, a resident of Sierra Blanca, with the help of the Nuclear Responsibility Network, formed the Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund (SBLDF) to try to fight the building of the toxic site. Eventually, in 1998, a group of West Texas residents made their way all the way to Vermont, in hopes of elucidating the people there how the nuclear waste from out of state was affecting their lives. For weeks, they spoke in front of committees, with Vermont residents unaware of what was going on, and gained compassion and even apologies from them. Finally, they met with Bernie Sanders on the issue. What was his response? Drop dead:
“Before the rally Sanders invited the three West Texans to meet with him privately, and the Texans eagerly agreed. The meeting was no longer than Sanders’ attention span - when it comes to Sierra Blanca. “He didn’t listen,” Curry said. “He had his mind made up.” Afterward, Bernie was giving his pro forma campaign speech, never mentioning nuclear power or nuclear waste. Sierra Blanca activist Bill Addington, who’d arrived just that morning to join the march, along with his neighbor María Méndez, had had enough, and he yelled from the crowd, “What about my home, Bernie? What about Sierra Blanca?”

Several others joined in. “What about Sierra Blanca, Bernie?”

Sanders left the stage, which surprised no one in the small Texas delegation. Earlier, he had told them, “My position is unchanged, and you’re not gonna like it.” When they asked if he would visit the site in Sierra Blanca, he said, “Absolutely not. I’m gonna be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.””
By now, it's clear that Bernie Sanders knew of Sierra Blanca, and despite the same pleas made by the West Texas residents as they had done with the Vermont residents, he was unmoved. Worse, there was no sense of compassion or remorse from him for what the bill was going to do to the residents of Sierra Blanca. His mind was already made up, and nothing can convince him to change his position. As the bill HR 629 had already passed both chambers of Congress with veto-proof margins and was just waiting to be signed into law, it was already a done deal. By this point, it seemed that his re-election campaign was more important than the plight of these West Texas residents. It is interesting to note the pattern we see here that is also currently in his campaign, where his focus is always in making stump speeches and ignore or evade direct questions not answerable by his well-rehearsed talking points.

Fortunately, that was not the end of the road for the residents of Sierra Blanca. Efforts continued from the SBLDF and even from the Mexican Government, who cited that the building of nuclear waste site so near the border violates the La Paz Agreement of 1983, which states that both the US and Mexico must work toward reducing or even eliminating “contaminating sources” 64 miles north and south of the border. Many Mexican officials from nearby towns across the border also protested due to the seemingly blatant environmental injustice occurring in Sierra Blanca. Due to these pressures, in the end, despite congressional and state approvals, the Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission voted 3-0 on October 20, 1998 to deny the TLLRWDA a license to build a disposal facility outside Sierra Blanca, citing concerns regarding the socioeconomic impact and safety. Thus, victory was achieved for these residents of Sierra Blanca, no thanks to Bernie Sanders.

So, what did we learn about our glorious revolution leader Bernie Sanders from all this? First, all his claim of having always cared about the poor and fighting for minorities is a lie. He was willing to let a powerless group of underprivileged Hispanics suffer for the benefit of his mostly Caucasian Vermont constituents. He was willing to let environmental injustice play out at the expense of the Sierra Blanca residents. It is disgustingly hypocritical of him that on his official campaign website right now, he touts that he will fight racial injustice, with one of the sub-issues being environmental violence. Where was his sense of racial injustice then, when he tried to dump toxic waste on the poor people of Sierra Blanca? It was not even in his realm of concern, because he did not need the vote of the people of Sierra Blanca to keep himself in office in Vermont. But now that he needs the Latino votes, he hopes that everyone will forget this little incident here in West Texas.

Second, he is just another deceptive politician who refuses to be culpable for his actions. He pretended to not know where the exact dump site was going to be and emphatically noted in his speech upon introducing the bill that it’s not their job to debate about the actual site because that is the responsibility of Texas legislature and its "people". He smartly protected himself in case something bad came out of this, since he could easily blame it on Texas. According to him, he's not responsible for picking Sierra Blanca as the waste disposal site. Rather than saying the buck stops here and be held accountable for it, he chose to pass the buck instead. Is this a quality we want in our potential next President, someone who avoids taking responsibility when things could possibly go negative?

Third, just like the Texas Waste Authority, he took the path of least resistance, choosing the easy way out. If he had really cared about the environmental injustice suffered by underprivileged Hispanics, he could have recommended that Vermont pull out of the compact until a more suitable site is found, one that does not reek so badly of socioeconomic and environmental racism. He could also have supported the proposed amendments to the bill by Senator Wellstone to give rights to sue back to the residents of Sierra Blanca. But seeing as to how those amendments might jeopardize the tri-state Compact, he vehemently opposed it. In the end, all he cared about was to find the easiest way to rid Vermont of its nuclear toxic waste, instead of choosing to stand up for what is right and just.

Fourth, when Bernie Sanders has made up his mind, one cannot convince him otherwise. The confrontation between him and the residents of Sierra Blanca in Vermont was very telling. He had already made up his mind, and nothing the residents said, even detailing how their lives will be adversely affected by the bill, will change his mind. Some of his supporters might say this uncompromising quality is something they like in him, since it seems like he's "standing his ground" or not bending to the outside influences. As he makes grandiose plans to pass single-payer healthcare and free college for all, by being unyielding and not listening to others and compromise even when faced with new evidence, Bernie Sanders only guarantees that we will never see the light of day for any of his lofty goals.

So, let's face it. Bernie Sanders is no revolutionary. In the end, he's just another opportunistic career politician who will do and say things just to advance himself in the office--just like how he is opportunistic now all of a sudden wanting to proclaim to be the leader of the Democratic Party, despite having remained an independent and never having really done anything to help the party in the past twenty years. The MSM rhetoric has been highly pro-Sanders because they want to prolong this primary race for ratings. But the sooner the people realize who he really is and start to scrutinize and question his choices in the past, such as this abhorrent bill to dump toxic waste on the poor people of Sierra Blanca, the better off we will be.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Nether Animal on April 10, 2016, 04:28:34 PM
This isn't Politics and Political Issues board Vince...
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: chaos on April 10, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
TL:DR:FY
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
whoops  ;D
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: _aj_ on April 10, 2016, 04:32:42 PM
Bernie forgot to bring a gun to a gunfight with the Clintons. He's fucked.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:11:59 PM
 Depleted nuclear waste is about as radioactive as pencil graphite or banana peels.  I suspect most morons would not know that though.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
http://www.c-span.org/congress/bills/billAction/?print/1410681

That's the link to the actual bill if you want to read it.

Basically the States are in charge of disposal of their low-level nuclear waste. Texas, Vermont, and Maine wanted to form a disposal compact, in which only Vermont and Maine could dispose of their waste in Texas (with 80% of the waste coming from Texas, 10% coming from Maine, and 10% coming from Vermont).

The bill was basically the states asking Congress for permission to form this compact (which has been done for other states). All three governors from the States approved.

Bernie Sanders, being the representative of Vermont, obviously supported the bill. It's their job at the end of the day to do what their constituents want.

Texas legislation is who was in charge of where to put the waste in Texas and there was some backlash over it and of course people who weren't happy with it. And there was argument over an agreement with Mexico...

Below is Bernie's expert from the link above if you want to see what he said for yourself. Is it an environmental issue. Yes. But its mostly just a way to try and discredit Sanders by using big bait words like Nuclear Waste. It's making the circuit now because Flint is such an issue so they're seeing it as a way to pull Sanders down...

"Bernie Sanders, I-VT 1st

Mr. SANDERS. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me the time.

Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of H.R. 629. Mr. Chairman, the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Act and its 1985 amendments make commercial low-level radioactive waste disposal a State and not a Federal responsibility.

As we have heard, all that Texas and Maine and Vermont are asking for today is to be treated as 9 other compacts were treated affecting 41 States. This is not new business. We have done it 9 times, 41 States, and Texas, Maine, and Vermont ask us to do it today.

Mr. Chairman, let me touch for a moment upon the environmental aspects of this issue. Let me address it from the perspective of someone who is an opponent of nuclear power, who opposes the construction of power plants and, if he had his way, would shut down the existing nuclear power plants as quickly and as safely as we could.

One of the reasons that many of us oppose nuclear power plants is that when this technology was developed, there was not a lot of thought given as to how we dispose of the nuclear waste. Neither the industry nor the Government, in my view, did the right thing by allowing the construction of the plants and not figuring out how we get rid of the waste.

But the issue we are debating here today is not that issue. The reality, as others have already pointed out, is that the waste is here. We cannot wish it away. It exists in power plants in Maine and Vermont, it exists in hospitals, it is here.

The gentleman from Texas [Mr. Reyes] a few moments ago said, `Who wants radioactive waste in their district?' I guess he is right. But do Members know what, by going forward with the nuclear power industry, that is what we have. So the real environmental issue here is not to wish it away, but to make the judgment, the important environmental judgment, as to what is the safest way of disposing of the nuclear waste that has been created. That is the environmental challenge that we face.

The strong environmental position should not be and cannot be to do nothing, and to put our heads in the sand and pretend that the problem does not exist. It would be nice if Texas had no low-level radioactive waste, or Vermont or Maine or any other State. That would be great. That is not the reality. The environmental challenge now is, given the reality that low-level radioactive waste exists, what is the safest way of disposing of that waste.

Leaving the radioactive waste at the site where it was produced, despite the fact that that site may be extremely unsafe in terms of long-term isolation of the waste and was never intended to be a long-term depository of low-level waste, is horrendous environmental policy. What sense is it to say that you have to keep the waste where it is now, even though that might be very environmentally damaging? That does not make any sense at all.

No reputable scientist or environmentalist believes that the geology of Vermont or Maine would be a good place for this waste. In the humid climate of Vermont and Maine, it is more likely that groundwater will come in contact with that waste and carry off radioactive elements to the accessible environment.

There is widespread scientific evidence to suggest, on the other hand, that locations in Texas, some of which receive less than 12 inches of rainfall a year, a region where the groundwater table is more than 700 feet below the surface, is a far better location for this waste.

This is not a political assertion, it is a geological and environmental reality. Furthermore, even if this compact is not approved, it is likely that Texas, which has a great deal of low-level radioactive waste, and we should make the point that 80 percent of the waste is coming from Texas, 10 percent from Vermont, 10 percent from Maine, the reality is that Texas will go forward with or without this compact in building a facility to dispose of their low-level radioactive waste.

If they do not have the compact, which gives them the legal right to deny low-level radioactive waste from coming from anyplace else in the country, it seems to me they will be in worse environmental shape than they are right now. Right now, with the compact, they can deal with the constitutional issue of limiting the kinds of waste they get.

From an environmental point of view, I urge strong support for this legislation."
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:14:53 PM
Bernie forgot to bring a gun to a gunfight with the Clintons. He's fucked.
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Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: polychronopolous on April 10, 2016, 05:18:24 PM
I can see the angle where people get excited for Sanders, Trump or Cruz...All 3 have their own unique angles...

But Hillary??

WTF?? Corrupt as the day is long, phony as can be and zero redeemable qualities.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2016, 05:28:07 PM
Depleted nuclear waste is about as radioactive as pencil graphite or banana peels.  I suspect most morons would not know that though.


Really, then why didn't he keep it in Vermont???  Why have it transported all the way to Texas??  Why did he walk away from the residents when some of them came up to Vermont???


Hillary's Superpacs are dragging this up to kill his "Hippie Persona".....and its going to work
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: chaos on April 10, 2016, 05:32:17 PM
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I think he's saying the Clintons are notorious for having some of their opponents "disappear" :o
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:40:41 PM

Really, then why didn't he keep it in Vermont???  Why have it transported all the way to Texas??  Why did he walk away from the residents when some of them came up to Vermont???


Hillary's Superpacs are dragging this up to kill his "Hippie Persona".....and its going to work
Did you not read the bill?  ???
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:43:28 PM

Really, then why didn't he keep it in Vermont???  Why have it transported all the way to Texas??  Why did he walk away from the residents when some of them came up to Vermont???


Hillary's Superpacs are dragging this up to kill his "Hippie Persona".....and its going to work
President Clinton even signed and endorsed the bill himself.

Are you mad at the Clintons for that as well?  ???

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr629
ntroduced:

    Feb 6, 1997
    105th Congress, 1997–1998
Status:

    Enacted — Signed by the President on Sep 20, 1998

    This bill was enacted after being signed by the President on September 20, 1998.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 05:46:25 PM

Really, then why didn't he keep it in Vermont???  Why have it transported all the way to Texas??  Why did he walk away from the residents when some of them came up to Vermont???


Hillary's Superpacs are dragging this up to kill his "Hippie Persona".....and its going to work
Obviously you didn't read the bill and did not understand what it was. 

EC. 5. TEXAS LOW-LEVEL RADIOACTIVE WASTE DISPOSAL COMPACT.

    In accordance with section 4(a)(2) of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Act (42 U.S.C. 2021d(a)(2)), the consent of the Congress is given to the States of Texas, Maine, and Vermont to enter into the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact. Such compact is substantially as follows:
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Obviously you didn't read the bill and did not understand what it was. 

EC. 5. TEXAS LOW-LEVEL RADIOACTIVE WASTE DISPOSAL COMPACT.

    In accordance with section 4(a)(2) of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Act (42 U.S.C. 2021d(a)(2)), the consent of the Congress is given to the States of Texas, Maine, and Vermont to enter into the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact. Such compact is substantially as follows:



It makes no difference.  The minute the Bernie supporters even hear that Bernie put his name on it, its over.  He's going to get TigerFucked on Monday.  Clinton supporters could care less... ;D
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: drkaje on April 10, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
How is admitting that the waste associated with nuclear energy was underestimated and must be responsibly disposed of (in appropriate places) a skeleton?

It almost seems like he was honest.  ???
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: The True Adonis on April 10, 2016, 06:41:45 PM


It makes no difference.  The minute the Bernie supporters even hear that Bernie put his name on it, its over.  He's going to get TigerFucked on Monday.  Clinton supporters could care less... ;D
What are you talking about?  This isn't new.  Its been around for decades.  You are really out of the loop this political season.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Marty Champions on April 10, 2016, 07:03:31 PM
I can see the angle where people get excited for Sanders, Trump or Cruz...All 3 have their own unique angles...

But Hillary??

WTF?? Corrupt as the day is long, phony as can be and zero redeemable qualities.
x2
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 10, 2016, 07:23:21 PM
Holy Shit....Bernie is toast :o


How Sanders Cleared Way to Dump Toxic Nuclear Waste on Poor Hispanics (and How They Fought Back)


Back in 1994, the state of Vermont had a problem: it had a nuclear power plant operating, but nowhere to dispose of the toxic waste. The Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant, located in Vernon, VT, provided 71.8% of all electricity generated within Vermont, amounting to 35% of Vermont's electricity consumption, according to figures in 2008. However, Vernon was deemed to be geologically unsuitable for nuclear waste disposal, so a search by the state began for a new low-level radioactive waste dump site. The result of the search: enter a tri-state compact with Texas and Maine to build a disposal facility in Texas and ship the waste there. Vermont's Legislature passed the General Assembly Act 137, which outlined the compact but still needed US Congressional approval to enact.

Enter our hero, then-Representative Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who ardently supported and  co-sponsored the bill H.R. 629, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Consent Act. Once passed and signed, the bill would validate the currently existing individual state bills, and thus start the construction of the waste disposal site. But where in Texas would the dump site be? Tasked with finding a suitable location, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Authority (TLLRWDA) recommended to build the waste facility five miles away from a small town in West Texas called Sierra Blanca:
“Sierra Blanca is a small town in Hudspeth County about 90 miles southeast of El Paso, TX and only 16 miles north of the Mexico border. There are about 900 residents, 60% of whom are mostly Hispanic. 30% of the roughly 430 housing units are vacant. Sierra Blanca is an extremely poor town where almost a third of the households live below the poverty level of $15,000. The town’s per capita income is about $10,500 but the entire county’s is only $8,000”
LLRWDA was working was none other than George W. Bush. Oh, and Jane Sanders, Bernie's wife, sits on the Board of this wonderful Texas authority.



Vince you finally found some Americans who make less than you do
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2016, 07:39:23 PM
What are you talking about?  This isn't new.  Its been around for decades.  You are really out of the loop this political season.


Yes it has....but it hurts Bernie's persona as he's ran his campaign as a hippie treehugger. 
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Mike on April 10, 2016, 08:44:45 PM

Yes it has....but it hurts Bernie's persona as he's ran his campaign as a hippie treehugger. 

I am a fervent Bernie supporter and I read what you both posted and this, in no way, has any impact on how I see Bernie as a politician.  Even if this does have the elicited response in Bernie supporters that it's intended to have, are they going to vote for Hillary?  Maybe they don't have to for this to have an effect...I get that.

Its just very cut-and-dry in my mind when I see how fucked our political system has gotten when large amounts of money and corporations have such unending influence.  I

 am involved in politics here in Chicago so I know corruption.  Ive seen it first hand (personally).  Even if Bernie is full of shit (which his voting record and speeches constantly justify his stance), what he stands for is the only logical, political viewpoint I see in this current election....I also generally vote and side Republican (less the religious views)
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Schnauzer on April 10, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
I am a fervent Bernie supporter and I read what you both posted and this, in no way, has any impact on how I see Bernie as a politician.  Even if this does have the elicited response in Bernie supporters that it's intended to have, are they going to vote for Hillary?  Maybe they don't have to for this to have an effect...I get that.

Its just very cut-and-dry in my mind when I see how fucked our political system has gotten when large amounts of money and corporations have such unending influence.  I

 am involved in politics here in Chicago so I know corruption.  Ive seen it first hand (personally).  Even if Bernie is full of shit (which his voting record and speeches constantly justify his stance), what he stands for is the only logical, political viewpoint I see in this current election....I also generally vote and side Republican (less the religious views)



News flash: Socialism doesn't work.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Chacka on April 10, 2016, 09:10:51 PM
You're better than this triple V
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: drkaje on April 11, 2016, 05:57:27 AM


News flash: Socialism doesn't work.

Just print more money!!
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Yamcha on April 11, 2016, 06:01:10 AM
"Break up the big banks!"

How?

"We will let them decide."

Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: _aj_ on April 11, 2016, 08:54:07 AM
Vince is right that this can hurt Bernie, especially with all the in-the-bag Hillary media carrying her water. Welcome to being "the other party"

Vince hasn't satisfactorily explained why the Hebrew population is so fucking stupid that they vote for the Clintons, or any other democrat for that matter. The average Hebrew voter is as politically informed as a bag of flour and can be instructed who to vote for by a simple "hip hop" song or a Twitter meme.

They should have a poll test to give America some comfort that the people deciding our future are sentient. TBH, most democrats would fail the simplest poll test anyway.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 12, 2016, 04:03:13 AM
Vince is right that this can hurt Bernie, especially with all the in-the-bag Hillary media carrying her water. Welcome to being "the other party"

Vince hasn't satisfactorily explained why the Hebrew population is so fucking stupid that they vote for the Clintons, or any other democrat for that matter. The average Hebrew voter is as politically informed as a bag of flour and can be instructed who to vote for by a simple "hip hop" song or a Twitter meme.

They should have a poll test to give America some comfort that the people deciding our future are sentient. TBH, most democrats would fail the simplest poll test anyway.


Really???

Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: 240 is Back on April 12, 2016, 04:25:08 AM
Really, then why didn't he keep it in Vermont???  Why have it transported all the way to Texas??  Why did he walk away from the residents when some of them came up to Vermont???

Vermont is 9600 square miles.

Texas is almost 270,000 square miles.

The waste has to go someplace, TX has more big open spts, they were already putting waste there, and he made the deal with a Republican in a Republican state, didn't he?  :)

I think Bernie loses because 1) he looks like shit, and 2) Trump has spent the past 9 months attacking Bernie (not hilary).

Nobody is beating Hilary this time around.   Protected from emailgate, the delegate system is completely skewed.  She hand picked her GOP competitor (*trump).   Hilary, who I dislike, isn't losing this one.

This toxic waste story is a weak one... EVERYONE has to send theirs someplace and you can't hide it with 9600 square miles of state.  Bernie loses for OTHER reasons.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: 240 is Back on April 12, 2016, 04:30:33 AM
"Break up the big banks!"

How?

"We will let them decide."



Sanders & Trump have both been the victim of a swayed media this past month - True.

Sanders & Trump have both been victim of shitty delegate system - True.

Sanders & Trump have both shown to be a little dumb on their biggest promises... Also True.

Trump doesn't know how to do this delegates thing, cannot navigate the rules.  Trump has no idea about the geopolitical stuff, or how he'll "make" apple leave overseas and build here.  Bernie doesn't care the banks kinda keep everything afloat here... promises to "break them up" but I'm not sure he can explain much beyond that.  If he promised fine limits and less predatory loans, cool... but "breaking them up" means telling the biggest private US institutions he's significantly changing their market and structures overnight... I'm no fan, but that's a move that shakes things bigtime.  You are the #1 superpower, you don't "shake up" anything, you make minor tweaks. 

Just as trump appeases the racist idiots/uneducated, Bernie appeases the occupy folks/entitled.   They also appeal to reasonable people, but they use the wall/banks issue well.
Title: Re: The Skeletons From The Closet Of Bernie Sanders
Post by: Yamcha on April 12, 2016, 04:47:57 AM
Sanders & Trump have both been the victim of a swayed media this past month - True.

Sanders & Trump have both been victim of shitty delegate system - True.

Sanders & Trump have both shown to be a little dumb on their biggest promises... Also True.

Trump doesn't know how to do this delegates thing, cannot navigate the rules.  Trump has no idea about the geopolitical stuff, or how he'll "make" apple leave overseas and build here.  Bernie doesn't care the banks kinda keep everything afloat here... promises to "break them up" but I'm not sure he can explain much beyond that.  If he promised fine limits and less predatory loans, cool... but "breaking them up" means telling the biggest private US institutions he's significantly changing their market and structures overnight... I'm no fan, but that's a move that shakes things bigtime.  You are the #1 superpower, you don't "shake up" anything, you make minor tweaks. 

Just as trump appeases the racist idiots/uneducated, Bernie appeases the occupy folks/entitled.   They also appeal to reasonable people, but they use the wall/banks issue well.

and who in the hell does Hillary appease besides lifetime politicians and the elites?  ???