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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BodyConnoisseur on April 20, 2016, 06:13:19 PM
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Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
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was jesus aware of this activity? according to man of steel, they are burning in hell (although christianity had not been invented yet lol)
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It was expected and socially acceptable for a freeborn Roman man to want sex with both female and male partners, as long as he took the penetrative role.[11] The morality of the behavior depended on the social standing of the partner, not gender per se
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was jesus aware of this activity? according to man of steel, they are burning in hell (although christianity had not been invented yet lol)
It was indeed shitty Christianity that deemed male on male action unacceptable
Before then, alphas tag teaming whores together and fucking betas was very common
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Rome didn't adopt Christianity as the official religion until the 300's AD. Plus the condemnation of homosexuality goes back to mosaic law (Judaism).
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Oh yea I'm sure this is not slanted and it's all fine and dandy.
Meanwhile they killed Socrates for asking questions, but, of course, they have no qualms with fucking guys as long as you took the "dominant" role.
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Oh yea I'm sure this is not slanted and it's all fine and dandy.
Meanwhile they killed Socrates for asking questions, but, of course, they have no qualms with fucking guys as long as you took the "dominant" role.
At one point neither the Greeks or the Romans had a concept of homosexuality or heterosexuality. Men were assumed to be attracted to both males and females, and to express a preference for just one sex was considered eccentric.
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So this is the code most guidos live by?
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At one point neither the Greeks or the Romans had a concept of homosexuality or heterosexuality. Men were assumed to be attracted to both males and females, and to express a preference for just one sex was considered eccentric.
And how did that turn out for the Roman Civilization?
This abnormal behavior increased as Rome became more corrupt. The same is happening in Western Civilizations now. There will be a reset - nature will take care of it.
Just because you're a faggit doesn't make it normal or cool. Stop projecting your weirdness / weakness on alpha males. In your dreams faggit!
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was jesus aware of this activity? according to man of steel, they are burning in hell (although christianity had not been invented yet lol)
Everyone loves to invent Man of Steel quotes. ::)
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And how did that turn out for the Roman Civilization?
This abnormal behavior increased as Rome became more corrupt. The same is happening in Western Civilizations now. There will be a reset - nature will take care of it.
Just because you're a faggit doesn't make it normal or cool. Stop projecting your weirdness / weakness on alpha males. In your dreams faggit!
You're the product of thousands of years of deluding and brainwashing so I expect you to be this stupid. I'm more alpha than you'll ever be pussy
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And how did that turn out for the Roman Civilization?
This abnormal behavior increased as Rome became more corrupt. The same is happening in Western Civilizations now. There will be a reset - nature will take care of it.
Just because you're a faggit doesn't make it normal or cool. Stop projecting your weirdness / weakness on alpha males. In your dreams faggit!
I'm in love. ;D
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You're the product of thousands of years of deluding and brainwashing so I expect you to be this stupid. I'm more alpha than you'll ever be pussy
No, you're a faggit. If anyone has been brainwashed its you. But nature will cancel out your abnormality in due time. You're a mistake, a dead end in Evolution.
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I'm in love. ;D
LOL!
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This is where poofery starts to get right on my tits, ok you are gay......good for you, congratulations you are completely accepted in 2016! Please may I ask that all you do in return is not push your homosexuality on others.......K? Thanks very much.
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This is where poofery starts to get right on my tits, ok you are gay......good for you, congratulations you are completely accepted in 2016! Please may I ask that all you do in return is not push your homosexuality on others.......K? Thanks very much.
You know it doesn't work that way. Their leaders want to be in charge and use their political power to make things more..."fair" as they call it. This is what you all get for allowing this abhorrent behavior to be expressed openly. It started with this, then trannys, then it'll be bestiality and pedos. This happened before.
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Any mention of male homosexuality even though it is part of the foundation of bodybuilding and concepts of masculinity and brotherhood causes all sorts of anxieties in some users.
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Any mention of male homosexuality even though it is part of the foundation of bodybuilding causes all sorts of anxieties in some users.
It's a part of YOUR foundation of bodybuilding, not mine and not alot of others.
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It's a part of YOUR foundation of bodybuilding, not mine and not alot of others.
Bodybuilding is one in foundation and roots; it doesn't have an alternative story to suit your taste.
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Fucking johnny cakes
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You know it doesn't work that way. Their leaders want to be in charge and use their political power to make things more..."fair" as they call it. This is what you all get for allowing this abhorrent behavior to be expressed openly. It started with this, then trannys, then it'll be bestiality and pedos. This happened before.
If a grown man wants to fuck another grown man that's fine by me they are both adults just don't push it on me. That's quite different from fucking animals Uncle Wiggs and very different from interfering with kids. That will never be acceptable please God and if it is then I will believe this Sodom and Gomorrah shit you preach.
It's a part of YOUR foundation of bodybuilding, not mine and not alot of others.
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Bodybuilding is one in foundation and roots; it doesn't have an alternative story to suit your taste.
Most people like to look good and be fit and strong. It has zero to do with being gay my friend.
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No, you're a faggit. If anyone has been brainwashed its you. But nature will cancel out your abnormality in due time. You're a mistake, a dead end in Evolution.
Trash like you or that fat burnt bastard wiggs should never reproduce. Animals Iike you two hold evolution back
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If a grown man wants to fuck another grown man that's fine by me they are both adults just don't push it on me. That's quite different from fucking animals Uncle Wiggs and very different from interfering with kids. That will never be acceptable please God and if it is then I will believe this Sodom and Gomorrah shit you preach.
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Most people like to look good and be fit and strong. It has zero to do with being gay my friend.
A person being gay or not is not subject; what is being mentioned, despite the anxiety that it causes to some bodybuilding fans who see their world collapse because of this is that bodybuilding finds its roots in male homosexuality because it was homosexual and bisexual men of ancient Greece who conceptualised and celebrated the athletic/muscular body as the ideal body type for men. Not only did they conceptualise it but also practised it, promoted it, depicted it (art pieces) and passed down through generations of brotherhood.
To the anger of some who usually want to silence these statements, the concept of the Greek male body is a homosexual concept. One might as well consider bodybuilding one of the earliest expressions of gay (sub)culture that history ever saw.
Yeah, anybody who wants to build their body has the right to do so, that's not the issue. I just think it is appropriate to mention the origins of bodybuilding because they have been systematically erased/ignored. But whoever tries to deny its roots there will be tons of people reminding them of this.
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A person being gay or not is not subject; what is being mentioned, despite the anxiety that it causes to some bodybuilding fans who see their world collapse because of this is that bodybuilding finds its roots in male homosexuality because it was homosexual and bisexual men of ancient Greece who conceptualised and celebrated the athletic/muscular body as the ideal body type for men. Not only did they conceptualise it but also practised it, promoted it, depicted it (art pieces) and passed down through generations of brotherhood.
To the anger of some who usually want to silence these statements, the concept of the Greek male body is a homosexual concept. One might as well consider bodybuilding one of the earliest expressions of gay (sub)culture that history ever saw.
Yeah, anybody who wants to build their body has the right to do so, that's not the issue. I just think it is appropriate to mention the origins of bodybuilding because they have been systematically erased/ignored. But whoever tries to deny its roots there will be tons of people reminding them of this.
Someone with a brain
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Homosexuality, even pedophilia and zoophilia were quite common practices in many ancient cultures and civilisations.
The Etoro tribe in Papua New Guinea sound like the original getbiggers. :-X
They are well known among anthropologists because of ritual homosexual acts practised between the young boys and men of the tribe. The Etoro believe that young boys must ingest the semen of their elders daily from the age of 7 until they turn 17 to achieve adult male status and to properly mature and grow strong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro_people
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Why is it so rare for people to be gay without needing or constantly begging for everyone's attention?
Unless we're talking about two hot lesbians willing to do a threesome: No one gives a fuck if you're gay.
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And how did that turn out for the Roman Civilization?
This abnormal behavior increased as Rome became more corrupt. The same is happening in Western Civilizations now. There will be a reset - nature will take care of it.
Just because you're a faggit doesn't make it normal or cool. Stop projecting your weirdness / weakness on alpha males. In your dreams faggit!
lol wow...delusional christian exposed.
every civilization up until this point has ended. our civilization will end too. with that ending, all of our silly thoughts on jesus, bible, etc will vanish with it. just like all other civilizations
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Fucking johnny cakes
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So they were only fucking guys but not being fucked?
Sounds like it's only gay if you want it to be.
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And how did that turn out for the Roman Civilization?
This abnormal behavior increased as Rome became more corrupt. The same is happening in Western Civilizations now. There will be a reset - nature will take care of it.
Just because you're a faggit doesn't make it normal or cool. Stop projecting your weirdness / weakness on alpha males. In your dreams faggit!
Props boss.
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Homosexuality, even pedophilia and zoophilia were quite common practices in many ancient cultures and civilisations.
The Etoro tribe in Papua New Guinea sound like the original getbiggers. :-X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro_people
Daily Cum Shakes of Peace
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It's a part of YOUR foundation of bodybuilding, not mine and not alot of others.
Bodybuilding is one in foundation and roots; it doesn't have an alternative story to suit your taste.
Most people like to look good and be fit and strong. It has zero to do with being gay my friend.
Points well taken, but I have to side with Wiggs and Rascal Full on this one: the "roots" of bodybuilding and its current "branches" are not necessarily homosexual.
The concepts of homosexuality and homoeroticism are often conflated. While the concept of the latter is inherent in the concept of the former, the former is not, per se, contained within the latter. On the one hand, homosexuality involves sexual activity between members of the same (homo) sex, which does include a form of male desire (eros). On the other hand, while homoeroticism does involve a form of male desire, that desire is not necessarily a Shizzonian thirst to consume the contents of another man's pendulous nethersacks or to boldly travel down the Tbombzian tributaries of the tuchus (e.g., homoeroticism can be seen in a man's [or men's] admiration of another man's [or other men's] male characteristics that are not tied to sexual desire – this could be viewed as certain attractions toward manly personality traits, rugged physical abilities, handsome appearances, etc.). Obviously, bodybuilding is supported by both homosexual and homoerotic tendencies, but it is not exclusively tied to a secret, Kaimprehensive desire to go behind the white towel, as it were (no homo, no schmoemo, no flaming majordomo).
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
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So prison rules?
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lol wow...delusional christian exposed.
every civilization up until this point has ended. our civilization will end too. with that ending, all of our silly thoughts on jesus, bible, etc will vanish with it. just like all other civilizations
I don't really understand his point - by the time of the collapse of Rome weren't they a majority Christian?
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I don't really understand his point - by the time of the collapse of Rome weren't they a majority Christian?
Constantine The great started Christianity is Rome.
Before that they would feeds Christians to lions.
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Constantine The great started Christianity is Rome.
Before that they would feeds Christians to lions.
He started MODERN Christianity. You make no sens. If he started Christianity, then there should have been no Christians before him. There were followers of Christ before Constintine but they followed very differently. Meaning, they followed the Sabbath. Modern Christians do not. Modern Christians celebrate pagan Holidays instituted by Constintine. Pre-Constintine Christians followed Holy Days that were non-pagan. Modern Christians don't follow the dietary laws. Pre-Constintine Christians did. There are so many differences, it's not even the same beliefs.
Constintine hijacked Christianity and changed it to appease pagans.
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Why are you idiots arguing with a gimmick? Adding fuel to the fire!!
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Why are you idiots arguing with a gimmick? Adding fuel to the fire!!
Who is he in reality?
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Who is he in reality?
Don't know, but no person is going to come on getbig and say these things, other than a gimmick.
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Don't know, but no person is going to come on getbig and say these things, other than a gimmick.
How did he get his blue stars? He had previously claimed that he had done photoshoots alongside Alexey Lesukov. Seems odd that someone who apparently is actively involved in the industry would write the stuff he does.
The mods should request him to prove his identity.
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LOL I have my blue stars because I've already proven my identity jackasses
I am no longer involved in the industry, therefore I no longer give a fuck 8) and yes Alexey and I both shot for muscle gallery. A very gay erotic website
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LOL I have my blue stars because I've already proven my identity jackasses
I am no longer involved in the industry, therefore I no longer give a fuck 8) and yes Alexey and I both shot for muscle gallery. A very gay erotic website
Other posters (such as ENZO) were given blue stars despite being eventually being exposed as gimmicks. Why not prove your identity again?
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Everybody getting spun up by a pair of "gay" gimmicks being run by the same person ::)
Don't feed the trolls, people.
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I cannot imagine (even for the smallest fraction of time measurement known to science) a man boinkin' a man..
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He started MODERN Christianity. You make no sens. If he started Christianity, then there should have been no Christians before him. There were followers of Christ before Constintine but they followed very differently. Meaning, they followed the Sabbath. Modern Christians do not. Modern Christians celebrate pagan Holidays instituted by Constintine. Pre-Constintine Christians followed Holy Days that were non-pagan. Modern Christians don't follow the dietary laws. Pre-Constintine Christians did. There are so many differences, it's not even the same beliefs.
Constintine hijacked Christianity and changed it to appease pagans.
you can't read? i said "IN ROME" you illiterate nut job.
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you can't read? i said "IN ROME" you illiterate nut job.
Gay remark Reported! ;D
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How did he get his blue stars? He had previously claimed that he had done photoshoots alongside Alexey Lesukov. Seems odd that someone who apparently is actively involved in the industry would write the stuff he does.
The mods should request him to prove his identity.
Because its a gimmick.
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Gay remark Reported! ;D
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Gimmick ass bitch ::)
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"Although this book focuses on gay male culture, it is also important to make a distinction between the conceptualized ideal bodies of men and those of women. The female body ideal was created through the objectification of women-by men-and has fairly been protested by many cultural critics, feminists and writers. Although, nowadays, women objectify the male body in the same way men have objectified the female body for millenia, they have been doing this on a significat scale only since the onset of women's movement: the past thirty years account for only 1 percent of the period under discussion. The critical difference is that women did not create the male body ideal, because it was already there; it was created, cultivated and celebrated by men for 2,500 years before women would have a say in the matter. More to the point, because homosexuality was widespread practice by the culture of the Greek gymnasium as the Greek body ideal evolved, and because men who had sex with men were the ones who conceptualized and refined the ideal, by and large the Greek ideal can be defined as a homosexual concept."
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the roman empire lasted a very time only going in to decline after it embraced Christianity
The sacking of Rome by the Visigoths in 410AD was a turning point for the Roman Empire, but blaming Christianity for this was refuted in 426AD by St Augustine of Hippo in his book 'The City of God'.
This book is also considered one of the corner stones of Western thought, you can read it here to learn more.. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1201.htm
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The sacking of Rome by the Visigoths in 410AD was a turning point for the Roman Empire, but blaming Christianity for this was refuted in 426AD by St Augustine of Hippo in his book 'The City of God'.
This book is also considered one of the corner stones of Western thought, you can read it here to learn more.. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1201.htm
saying that the Roman Empire declined after embracing Christianity is not allocating blame
One might reasonably expect a prince of the church to defend the church
The roman empire continued, albeit not headquartered in Rome, till the 15th Century
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saying that the Roman Empire declined after embracing Christianity is not allocating blame
Oh ok, it just seemed like you were implying that it declined because of Christianity.
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"Although this book focuses on gay male culture, it is also important to make a distinction between the conceptualized ideal bodies of men and those of women. The female body ideal was created through the objectification of women-by men-and has fairly been protested by many cultural critics, feminists and writers. Although, nowadays, women objectify the male body in the same way men have objectified the female body for millenia, they have been doing this on a significat scale only since the onset of women's movement: the past thirty years account for only 1 percent of the period under discussion. The critical difference is that women did not create the male body ideal, because it was already there; it was created, cultivated and celebrated by men for 2,500 years before women would have a say in the matter. More to the point, because homosexuality was widespread practice by the culture of the Greek gymnasium as the Greek body ideal evolved, and because men who had sex with men were the ones who conceptualized and refined the ideal, by and large the Greek ideal can be defined as a homosexual concept."
What book is this from?
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"Although this book focuses on gay male culture, it is also important to make a distinction between the conceptualized ideal bodies of men and those of women. The female body ideal was created through the objectification of women-by men-and has fairly been protested by many cultural critics, feminists and writers. Although, nowadays, women objectify the male body in the same way men have objectified the female body for millenia, they have been doing this on a significat scale only since the onset of women's movement: the past thirty years account for only 1 percent of the period under discussion. The critical difference is that women did not create the male body ideal, because it was already there; it was created, cultivated and celebrated by men for 2,500 years before women would have a say in the matter. More to the point, because homosexuality was widespread practice by the culture of the Greek gymnasium as the Greek body ideal evolved, and because men who had sex with men were the ones who conceptualized and refined the ideal, by and large the Greek ideal can be defined as a homosexual concept."
Makes a ton of sense.
That being said: Wouldn't evolution* have created a male physical ideal in women's minds? Something along the lines of functional fitness with some minimal fat stores for leaner times. Bigger, stronger, men would have been better able to protect women from dinosaurs, marauders, hunting, and have been more capable of physical labor depending upon whatever region's agricultural needs dictated.
Someone who was morbidly obese or too skinny wouldn't have had any ability to make women feel safe enough to have children.
All things being equal; a taller, fit, guy will get more pussy. Height is a positive trait in men. Regardless or how advanced we've become, characteristics that would have increased chances of survival and/or reduced infant mortality seem hard-wired into our mate selection process.
* I mean evolution in terms of how environment shapes needs, real or perceived.
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Makes a ton of sense.
That being said: Wouldn't evolution* have created a male physical ideal in women's minds? Something along the lines of functional fitness with some minimal fat stores for leaner times. Bigger, stronger, men would have been better able to protect women from dinosaurs, marauders, hunting, and have been more capable of physical labor depending upon whatever region's agricultural needs dictated.
Someone who was morbidly obese or too skinny wouldn't have had any ability to make women feel safe enough to have children.
All things being equal; a taller, fit, guy will get more pussy. Height is a positive trait in men. Regardless or how advanced we've become, characteristics that would have increased chances of survival and/or reduced infant mortality seem hard-wired into our mate selection process.
* I mean evolution in terms of how environment shapes needs, real or perceived.
Dinosaurs?
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Makes a ton of sense.
That being said: Wouldn't evolution* have created a male physical ideal in women's minds? Something along the lines of functional fitness with some minimal fat stores for leaner times. Bigger, stronger, men would have been better able to protect women from dinosaurs, marauders, hunting, and have been more capable of physical labor depending upon whatever region's agricultural needs dictated.
Someone who was morbidly obese or too skinny wouldn't have had any ability to make women feel safe enough to have children.
All things being equal; a taller, fit, guy will get more pussy. Height is a positive trait in men. Regardless or how advanced we've become, characteristics that would have increased chances of survival and/or reduced infant mortality seem hard-wired into our mate selection process.
* I mean evolution in terms of how environment shapes needs, real or perceived.
Can't we make a similar argument for why men like women with big tits? That big tits mean more milk for the newborn offspring? And a shapely woman would symbolize good health and fitness, again an ability to quickly flee or fend off foe?
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Can't we make a similar argument for why men like women with big tits? That big tits mean more milk for the newborn offspring? And a shapely woman would symbolize good health and fitness, again an ability to quickly flee or fend off foe?
I have my own bro-science based theory on how women gain power over men with tits vs ass: Guys overly nurtured (by their moms) seek tits. Men with abandonment issues love ass. :)
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What book is this from?
"There is enough evidence in the art and literature of Classical Greece to substantiate that not only was the Greek gymnasium a male-centered institution, but a homosexual-centered one. During the Golden Age of Greece (around the fifth century BC), the high point of Greek culture and influence, the Greek gymnasium became prominent. The culture of the Greek gymnasium, where Greek athletes were born, the Olympic games were set in motion, and the male body ideal was conceptualized, can be best described as one that was largely made up by men who were sexually and romantically interested in and involved with other men".
Muscle Boys: Gay Gym Culture by Erick Alvarez.
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Key quote: "largely," but not exclusively [viz. the distinction between homosexuality and homoeroticism (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=607838.25)].
Obviously, because they were not restricting the entrance to people according to their sexual orientation, but still, heterosexual men were not substantially involved in the conceptualization of the ideal male body and that's natural because the male body is not the object of their attraction and interest as it is for men who like men so they were not spending their time with men's bodies in their minds. Instead, the conceptualisation of the ideal female body is the work of heterosexual men for the most part.
That's why the Greek ideal is considered a homosexual concept and one of the earliest expessions of what today is called "gay (sub)culture".
As matter of fact, one of the reasons why modern bodybuilding leant towards excessively muscular bodies has to do with its link to male homosexuality.
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Can't we make a similar argument for why men like women with big tits? That big tits mean more milk for the newborn offspring? And a shapely woman would symbolize good health and fitness, again an ability to quickly flee or fend off foe?
Just like woman like a man with strong buttocks and thighs. Because strong buttocks and thighs implies thrusting power, for which a man can better spread his seed.
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Good points. Do you think that perhaps the author's hypothesis underestimates an internalized gaze of female desire (eros) in the Greek (gay) conceptualization of the ideal male body?
I don't think Greek culture at the time really cared much about what women had to say about the male body. If you look at the iconography of the time the male body was heavily depicted from the homoerotic perspective which was not exclusively about naked bodies but also about display of athleticism, strength, etc which are also aspects of male homoeroticism or what is considered sexually appealing in male same-sex attraction both as spectarors and as participants (practitioners and dedicated athletes)
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Women were believe to below men. Plus they didn't have the modern culture of "OMG he fucked a guy!!! Let's burn him at the stake!!".
Samurai fucked guys too. Spartans did as well. Most old warrior cultures fucked men.
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Guys fucking and sucking guys is g ay.
HTH
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Guys fucking and sucking guys is g ay.
HTH
Only if you want it to be. :)
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Only if you want it to be. :)
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Sticking your ass out isn't gay unless there's a cock in it.
and even then that's not gay unless you want it to be.
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I don't know why the world has so much against homosexuality
I mean---nothing is more beautiful than when two women make out
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I don't know why the world has so much against homosexuality
I mean---nothing is more beautiful than when two women make out
Unless they're ugly, fat, or both.
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Unless they're ugly, fat, or both.
This ;)
Yeah I agree, 2 guys fucking in their own home, doesn't effect me one bit.
With all the fucked up shit going on in the world, I can't believe simple minded people focus on this.