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of years than why are the same constellations visable?
do they want us to beleive all the stars are moving at the exact same speed all this time???
:o ::)
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Dirt: it's what's for dinner.
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yes.
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We aren't moving that fast around the galaxy, maybe the galaxy itself is from the big bang, but I'm going to do legs today.
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of years than why are the same constellations visable?
do they want us to beleive all the stars are moving at the exact same speed all this time???
:o ::)
You know the answer to this Marty. we can only witness things in the past, we have been here for 100 years, us less, they are huge and if they are in a different spot it might take thousands of years for the light to reach us.
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You know the answer to this Marty. we can only witness things in the past, we have been here for 100 years, us less, they are huge and if they are in a different spot it might take thousands of years for the light to reach us.
time still passes from year2 year decade to decade (even though we are looking into the past when looking at a distant star, the stars cannot all be moving at the same speed in the same direction if they are infact moving like nasa claims...
therefore since we see no change in constellations or space in between stars... then the stars arent moving at all and may very well be fake or a complex illusion
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I think that there have been changes :
http://ww2.kqed.org/quest/2012/07/27/do-constellations-change-over-time/
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I don't care what Nasa says, only care what Nasser says.
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I think that there have been changes :
http://ww2.kqed.org/quest/2012/07/27/do-constellations-change-over-time/
garbage but interesting to read bullshit . i do not accept that the fastest star changes its position 1 pinky width over 300 years highly improvable
if thats there best evidence its pathetic
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The cosmos is a well functioning thought more than a well functioning reality.
Think about it
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We live in a dome. A snow globe of sorts.
HTH
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Who even gives a flying fuck.
We're nothing in a universe of nothing. None of it matters.
It's why the weak must believe in a maker, a "sky wizard". The reality is too much for them to handle.
We were likely engineered by a species that is/was, relatively speaking, as unimportant as us.
The universe just is.
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Who even gives a flying fuck.
We're nothing in a universe of nothing. None of it matters.
It's why the weak must believe in a maker, a "sky wizard". The reality is too much for them to handle.
We were likely engineered by a species that is/was, relatively speaking, as unimportant as us.
The universe just is.
Yeah, is this why the more secular a nation, the higher its suicide rate? Too much for atheists to handle?
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Yeah, is this why the more secular a nation, the higher its suicide rate? Too much for atheists to handle?
For many, yes.
But at least they die not as delusional/brainwashed tools.
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In stable orbit of a black hole like most everything else in this galaxy. Especially this far out. Maybe close to the black hole tings get more chaotic.
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The only Big Bang the OP believes in, is the only that happens in his ass every night.
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Once you solve that question , try wrapping your mind around Branch Warren being a 2 time Arnold Schwarzenegger classic winner
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It's like when you get nut and blow a load.
You THINK it was a gallon of jizz going 100 mph for 50 feet.
Reality is a few mL slid down your boyfriends hamstring.
Hope this helps.
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garbage but interesting to read bullshit . i do not accept that the fastest star changes its position 1 pinky width over 300 years highly improvable
if thats there best evidence its pathetic
i think the issue is that YOU expect the experts to convince you.
that is not their job. YOU need to get yourself educated and then learn about things before flying off with ill informed accusations, conclusions and assumptions.
just because YOU dont get it, it doesnt mean there is a conspiracy or orchestrated society scheming cunning plans.
it is a well known proverb :you cannot convince a stupid person that they are stupid.
and it applies also to ignorant people.
i think NASA- who's janitors have PhDs (j/k of course, but last i heard, if you didnt have at least 1 PhD, then you dont even get an interview) , would be well placed to make such comments.
so its NASA, versus you.
as a betting man, i will take the bet that NASA is closer to the truth. but thats just me.
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i think the issue is that YOU expect the experts to convince you.
that is not their job. YOU need to get yourself educated and then learn about things before flying off with ill informed accusations, conclusions and assumptions.
just because YOU dont get it, it doesnt mean there is a conspiracy or orchestrated society scheming cunning plans.
it is a well known proverb :you cannot convince a stupid person that they are stupid.
and it applies also to ignorant people.
i think NASA- who's janitors have PhDs (j/k of course, but last i heard, if you didnt have at least 1 PhD, then you dont even get an interview) , would be well placed to make such comments.
so its NASA, versus you.
as a betting man, i will take the bet that NASA is closer to the truth. but thats just me.
common sense says every star constellation is fixed everything moves together in the night sky at the same rate
the moon and sun are not apart of any constellation so omit them
everything else aside from meteors is oddly fixed
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Absolute bullshit.
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whenever science claims something moved .0000001233 inches in 350 years you know theyre shitten on you
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the great thing about science is it doesn't care if you're stupid - it's still true
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the great thing about science is it doesn't care if you're stupid - it's still true going to change regularly as we learn more and more.
fixed
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Dirt: it's what's for dinner.
That orange clay
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of years than why are the same constellations visable?
do they want us to beleive all the stars are moving at the exact same speed all this time???
:o ::)
It's because our angle of vision.
Imagine a car passing next to you at 100 mph, it only takes a couple of seconds for the car to get out of your sight (assuming you don't move your head).
Now imagine an airplane moving at 500 mph, thousands of feet's above the ground. Although it's moving way faster than the car, it takes longer for the plane to get out of your sight.
The same applies to what we see in the night sky. Things are moving, really really fast, but they are so far away that we still can see them.
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I will teach you High School Physics, only if you ask for my help
That is good of you Howard.
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you really think all stars are moving at the same speed and same direction for 100's of years
It's because our angle of vision.
Imagine a car passing next to you at 100 mph, it only takes a couple of seconds for the car to get out of your sight (assuming you don't move your head).
Now imagine an airplane moving at 500 mph, thousands of feet's above the ground. Although it's moving way faster than the car, it takes longer for the plane to get out of your sight.
The same applies to what we see in the night sky. Things are moving, really really fast, but they are so far away that we still can see them.
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you really think all stars are moving at the same speed and same direction for 100's of years
I really doubt that's what theory says.
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whenever science claims something moved .0000001233 inches in 350 years you know theyre shitten on you
It's testimony to how large the galaxy truly is. If you accept what the distances of the stars are it makes sense. They even have constellation maps of what the sky will look like many thousands of years from now, you can google it.
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It's testimony to how large the galaxy truly is. If you accept what the distances of the stars are it makes sense. They even have constellation maps of what the sky will look like many thousands of years from now, you can google it.
"them" knowing the speed and direction and orbits of stars is not shown and is not known
the constelations dont change they do not change like planets
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"them" knowing the speed and direction and orbits of stars is not shown and is not known
the constelations dont change they do not change like planets
Ask a scientist or professor. There are plenty at the colleges near you.
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Ask a scientist or professor. There are plenty at the colleges near you.
you see the farther away something is the faster it must travel to keep the pace needed to keep the constellation shape consistent
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PhD Theoretical Physicist at Harvard < Johnny Falcon--Getbig Legend
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PhD Theoretical Physicist at Harvard < Johnny Falcon--Getbig Legend
sf what do u think about my last post , is there any glaring innacuracies to your best knowledge?
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sf what do u think about my last post , is there any glaring innacuracies to your best knowledge?
Falcon, I do not have a clue. I don't study this stuff. :'(
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Falcon, I do not have a clue. I don't study this stuff. :'(
i asked what did u think about my last post
"objects further away like stars have to travel much faster than the closer stars to keep the constellations in order"
thinking doesnt require a phd in fuckery
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you really think all stars are moving at the same speed and same direction for 100's of years
They are, that's known, the universe is expanding, redshift explains this. All galaxies are moving away from each other at the speed of light, we have literally no chance of making it to another galaxy unless we move at light speed or somehow go superluminal.
Things are in different places, the light you are seeing is comprised of photons, which travel at the speed of light, take time to reach you, you are seeing the past. Wait a thousand years for light to reach you and you are seeing a 1000 years into the past.
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They are, that's known, the universe is expanding, redshift explains this. All galaxies are moving away from each other at the speed of light, we have literally no chance of making it to another galaxy unless we move at light speed or somehow go superluminal.
Things are in different places, the light you are seeing is comprised of photons, which travel at the speed of light, take time to reach you, you are seeing the past. Wait a thousand years for light to reach you and you are seeing a 1000 years into the past.
It is fascinating that the night sky is an image of the past. Some of the stars we are looking at may have moved further along the main sequence or not even exist anymore.
Awe inspiring stuff.
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Things are in different places, the light you are seeing is comprised of photons, which travel at the speed of light, take time to reach you, you are seeing the past. Wait a thousand years for light to reach you and you are seeing a 1000 years into the past.
you still should see a rate of change looking at old light we arent always looking at the same light from the year 502
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you see the farther away something is the faster it must travel to keep the pace needed to keep the constellation shape consistent
Gravity is keeping them together, they are moving apart from each other.
you still should see a rate of change looking at old light we arent always looking at the same light from the year 502
Correct, we are seeing slight movement, however, when it reaches us the constellation (stars) are in a different place, gravity holds the spin of the galaxies together, as the universe expands at an ever accelerating rate, gravity will not hold shit together, the big rip as it were.
I would imagine a degree of movement in the sky is millions of lightyears of travel based on the distance.
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It is fascinating that the night sky is an image of the past. Some of the stars we are looking at may have moved further along the main sequence or not even exist anymore.
Awe inspiring stuff.
It's pretty amazing, some cool space shit you might like. Magnetars are pretty mind blowing, Bootes void is a crazy mystery and the big roar (radio signal) is perhaps the best mystery of space. It prevents us from gaining information about the oldest stars that exist, we are essentially blocked out as the radio signal is roughly 6 times greater then any known source of such a signal. Some suggest it is tech and perhaps a dyson sphere blocking us out. Some suggest it is the universe beginning to rip hence the magnitude of the roar.
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They are, that's known, the universe is expanding, redshift explains this. All galaxies are moving away from each other at the speed of light, we have literally no chance of making it to another galaxy unless we move at light speed or somehow go superluminal.
Things are in different places, the light you are seeing is comprised of photons, which travel at the speed of light, take time to reach you, you are seeing the past. Wait a thousand years for light to reach you and you are seeing a 1000 years into the past.
AFAIK the speed is proportional to the galaxy distance. For this reason the redshift is used to estimate the distance of the stars
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It's pretty amazing, some cool space shit you might like. Magnetars are pretty mind blowing, Bootes void is a crazy mystery and the big roar (radio signal) is perhaps the best mystery of space. It prevents us from gaining information about the oldest stars that exist, we are essentially blocked out as the radio signal is roughly 6 times greater then any known source of such a signal. Some suggest it is tech and perhaps a dyson sphere blocking us out. Some suggest it is the universe beginning to rip hence the magnitude of the roar.
Space roar is very interesting, I wasn't even aware of it. There does not seem to be a lot of info about it relative to the importance of such a phenomenon.
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They are, that's known, the universe is expanding, redshift explains this. All galaxies are moving away from each other at the speed of light, we have literally no chance of making it to another galaxy unless we move at light speed or somehow go superluminal.
Things are in different places, the light you are seeing is comprised of photons, which travel at the speed of light, take time to reach you, you are seeing the past. Wait a thousand years for light to reach you and you are seeing a 1000 years into the past.
Really? I was under the belief that gravity will eventually pull the galaxies together, with the Milky Way and Andromeda merging in a few billion years time.
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Gravity is keeping them together, they are moving apart from each other.
Correct, we are seeing slight movement, however, when it reaches us the constellation (stars) are in a different place, gravity holds the spin of the galaxies together, as the universe expands at an ever accelerating rate, gravity will not hold shit together, the big rip as it were.
I would imagine a degree of movement in the sky is millions of lightyears of travel based on the distance.
wrong weve had the same constellations
we should have new constellations often but we dont
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Really? I was under the belief that gravity will eventually pull the galaxies together, with the Milky Way and Andromeda merging in a few billion years time.
The universe is expanding, the space between things is growing, think of the universe like a balloon with the stars dotted on it, as you expand/blow up the balloon they get further apart.
Eventually the expansion will overcome gravity, it may big crunch, I am speaking in exactness, the big rip appears to have more evidence.
You are correct, some galaxies may merge, this is only in galaxies which share the same gravity well, in an expanding universe, all things are moving apart.
AFAIK the speed is proportional to the galaxy distance. For this reason the redshift is used to estimate the distance of the stars
Hubbles law correct?
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The universe is expanding, the space between things is growing, think of the universe like a balloon with the stars dotted on it, as you expand/blow up the balloon they get further apart.
Eventually the expansion will overcome gravity, it may big crunch, I am speaking in exactness, the big rip appears to have more evidence.
You are correct, some galaxies may merge, this is only in galaxies which share the same gravity well, in an expanding universe, all things are moving apart.
Thanks for the info.
Is the speed in which the universe expanding remaining consistent? I think the "Big Crunch" concept came from the belief that the speed in which the universe is expanding is slowing down, which some scientists think would eventually lead to a stagnation and then a reversal - resulting in the crunch. However, I've also heard that the speed in which the universe is expanding increases the further it expands.
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Thanks for the info.
Is the speed in which the universe expanding remaining consistent? I think the "Big Crunch" concept came from the belief that the speed in which the universe is expanding is slowing down, which some scientists think would eventually lead to a stagnation and then a reversal - resulting in the crunch. However, I've also heard that the speed in which the universe is expanding increases the further it expands.
It's not my field more of a hobby so I could be wrong, but as I understand it, gravity weakens as things spread out on the space-time fabric from expansion. The metric for expansion of space is based on the distance between two objects in space overtime, the rate of expansion is accelerating, it has always expanded,the rate was slower in the past. The fact that's it picking up would indicate gravity is weakening, shit's going rip.
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It's because our angle of vision.
Imagine a car passing next to you at 100 mph, it only takes a couple of seconds for the car to get out of your sight (assuming you don't move your head).
Now imagine an airplane moving at 500 mph, thousands of feet's above the ground. Although it's moving way faster than the car, it takes longer for the plane to get out of your sight.
The same applies to what we see in the night sky. Things are moving, really really fast, but they are so far away that we still can see them.
stars and constellations are at different distances from earth
stars of the same constellation are at different distances from earth
if a star in a constellation is 800 million miles from earth and another star in that same constellation is 900 million miles then that further star has to be moving precisley slower or faster in order to keep integrity of the constellation
if science can only claim a very small fractional amount of movement or differentiation in the constellation over a large amount of time 350 years you can bank on they have no clue wats really out there
your comment was so irrelevant and stupid entirely missing the argument
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stars and constellations are at different distances from earth
stars of the same constellation are at different distances from earth
if a star in a constellation is 800 million miles from earth and another star in that same constellation is 900 million miles then that further star has to be moving precisley slower or faster in order to keep integrity of the constellation
if science can only claim a very small fractional amount of movement or differentiation in the constellation over a large amount of time 350 years you can bank on they have no clue wats really out there
your comment was so irrelevant and stupid entirely missing the argument
constellations are moving together, they share the same gravity well, those constellations may be gone completely, we won't know for thousands of years.
They are a cluster of stars while moving, are moving together. The amount of space between things is absolutely insane.
This will help put things into perspective.
http://htwins.net/scale2/
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stars and constellations are at different distances from earth
stars of the same constellation are at different distances from earth
if a star in a constellation is 800 million miles from earth and another star in that same constellation is 900 million miles then that further star has to be moving precisley slower or faster in order to keep integrity of the constellation
if science can only claim a very small fractional amount of movement or differentiation in the constellation over a large amount of time 350 years you can bank on they have no clue wats really out there
your comment was so irrelevant and stupid entirely missing the argument
You're not realizing how far the stars are. 800 million miles is a drop in the bucket, that's well within our solar system. Stars aren't moving around like planets from our perspective. And there is no integrity of the constellations. Constellations are just arbitrary groupings of stars notated by ancient people, to what they saw in the sky, it just stuck around out of convenience. And it will one day be entirely rearranged.
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You're not realizing how far the stars are. 800 million miles is a drop in the bucket, that's well within our solar system. Stars aren't moving around like planets from our perspective. And there is no integrity of the constellations. Constellations are just arbitrary groupings of stars notated by ancient people, to what they saw in the sky, it just stuck around out of convenience. And it will one day be entirely rearranged.
Voyager 1 or 3, to lazy to look it up, maybe another one, has been travelling for like 40 years and is just now reaching the edge of our solarsystem.
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constellations are moving together, they share the same gravity well, those constellations may be gone completely, we won't know for thousands of years.
They are a cluster of stars while moving, are moving together. The amount of space between things is absolutely insane.
This will help put things into perspective.
http://htwins.net/scale2/
Excellent link.
This is the one that did it for me (massive 21mb image (http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Ff%2Ff5%2FEarth%2527s_Location_in_the_Universe_VERTICAL_(JPEG).jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AEarth%27s_Location_in_the_Universe_VERTICAL_(JPEG).jpg&h=23624&w=2953&tbnid=qGZtfX0v3EhlfM%3A&docid=JhyVGz4gCjCGFM&ei=VFtDV9mMGMuisAGPsITgDQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=223&page=1&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=0ahUKEwjZhtLC-PDMAhVLESwKHQ8YAdwQMwg3KA0wDQ&bih=637&biw=1280))
The scale is too unfathomable to be contemplated by our experience of space and time. I think the species has not evolved to meaningfully explore even local star systems, never mind the galaxy. We just experience time too fast.
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You're not realizing how far the stars are. 800 million miles is a drop in the bucket, that's well within our solar system. Stars aren't moving around like planets from our perspective. And there is no integrity of the constellations. Constellations are just arbitrary groupings of stars notated by ancient people, to what they saw in the sky, it just stuck around out of convenience. And it will one day be entirely rearranged.
the constellations havent changed in 1000's of years
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the constellations havent changed in 1000's of years
Look up Barnard's star, it's very close to us in relative terms. Its movement has been tracked. Binary stars that are close to eachother, their orbital paths have been tracked too. Some of them take only months to move around each other.
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Look up Barnard's star, it's very close to us in relative terms. Its movement has been tracked. Binary stars that are close to eachother, their orbital paths have been tracked too. Some of them take only months to move around each other.
yes but we cant see it with naked eye
all constellations have kept there integrity over many years
wich seems to be a tall task considering every thing is moving in diff directions
i cant figure it out
i beleive the planets move but not stars