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The plan that is in place by PDI will blow the IFBB away in 3 years. If PDI has 15 shows in 3 years IFBB will be in deep trouble. What IFBB doesn't know is that many of their officials will soon switch which will further weaken IFBB.
And, do you really think all the shows on their schedule will take place this year?? I think they will cancel 2 or 3 of them and they will look worse. Also, look where the shows are held. They are held in school auditoriums instead of theaters. IFBB is putting the sport back 30 years.
I am a former pro. I know what was once there. I am happy PDI has been created and will rule!
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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Insider, you speak wisdom and you speak optimism. How soon til the first Pro Division Athlete will becomes known?
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yeah...heres some great wisdom.
So you're telling me that all the alledged "corrupt officials" from the IFBB, will soon be going to the "PDI"?
makes sense to me...
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what is so funny about that Chick ?
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Now you're talking, Bob. You man that sinking ship. Aye-aye, captain!
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must be a slow leak...it's taking 60 years to go down.
lets see them get 1 show off the ground before "ruling the world".
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yeah...heres some great wisdom.
So you're telling me that all the alledged "corrupt officials" from the IFBB, will soon be going to the "PDI"?
makes sense to me...
You always sound very funny, Chick.
You'd have better chances as comedian than athlete's rep.
Your boss will never let those officials leave, they are the backbone of his power.
Insider Z
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"let them leave"?
I'm pretty sure they can leave if they want...
amazing you guys wan't them, being corrupt and all.
so lets re-cap:
you're saying you're starting another BB fed...using 3-4th tier pro's and corrupt officials from the IFRBB?
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must be a slow leak...it's taking 60 years to go down.
lets see them get 1 show off the ground before "ruling the world".
The WBF would have flourished had the Internet been around back then. All of us not on the IFBB payroll are bored with the monopolies, the predictability, and the fact that the IFBB just makes things boring.
You cannot deny that this year, that first show, will have some excitement. The fact that you, Bob Chick, are arguing with me instead of making up excuses for avoiding Vince Taylor, shows you are concerned.
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you're saying you're starting another BB fed...using 3-4th tier pro's and corrupt officials from the IFRBB?
If it was 3rd tier pros, they might have asked you to come. They didn't.
No, this will be a steady mix of tier 1,2, and 3 guys the first year. year two, once your Cutlers/Martinez'/Branchs see guys will lesser physiques pulling 3 times the money, they'll jump two. Year two will be the big one.
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year 2??
Lets see SHOW 1, first...
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I really have some reservations about PDI making it.
For example take a look a Shawn Ray’s show, he is having trouble attracting top athletes and this is a sanctioned event. The IFBB states that a card carrying Pro can’t enter and non-sanctioned event, so what kind of representation are they going to have on stage. Even as it is now everybody is really dissapointed with shows that don't showcase top talent. How many top tier pro's are joining PDI? Hopes and wishes don't pay the bills. Without the media supporting PDI, the athletes won't even land top dollar contracts because they just won't have the exposure needed.
Most of the Top Magazines are AMI owned and I can’t believe they are going to do anything to promote something that leads to direct competition with their Olympia. What will happen with the signed athletes already, can they even leave without breaking contractural obligations?
I am not sure how many guys are willing to risk everything on a chance. You don’t have to take a long look back to see what happened to some of the WBF guys and that was a guaranteed paycheck they jumped ship for, PDI isn’t.
Don’t get me wrong I will spend a few of my bucks supporting the PDI when they do come out, if we don’t do that at least they will never survive.
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chick, that's whats up big dawg
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MD is gonna get behind PDI. After being treated like crap at recent O/ASCs, they'd love nothing more than to see the IFBB and Bob Dickerillo go down in flames.
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"let them leave"?
I'm pretty sure they can leave if they want...
amazing you guys wan't them, being corrupt and all.
so lets re-cap:
you're saying you're starting another BB fed...using 3-4th tier pro's and corrupt officials from the IFRBB?
Chick,
you are funny no more.
Besides being the worst athletes' rep ever, it sounds you are dyslexic, too.
Those you consider "corrupted officials" are the backbone of your boss' power.
Who was in the judging panels during the last shows? Bedway, Big Steve, Rockell, Crane...
Same fellowship of the ring.
I didn't noticed any "spring cleaning" since Manion and you took place.
Business as usual.
Insider Z
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I've got an idea...why don't you contact Wayne and see about being a promoter for the PDI?
Surely, with your marketing genius and the money you claim to make...I see big $$$ in YOUR future.
This the PERFECT opportunity for a young entrepreneur such as yourself to grasp a once in a lifetime chance, and finally be a pert of pro bb in some manor other than posting bullshit on the internet all day...
GO FOR IT KID!!
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Chick,
you are funny no more.
Besides being the worst athletes' rep ever, it sounds you are dyslexic, too.
Those you consider "corrupted officials" are the backbone of your boss' power.
Who was in the judging panels during the last shows? Bedway, Big Steve, Rockell, Crane...
Same fellowship of the ring.
I didn't noticed any "spring cleaning" since Manion and you took place.
Business as usual.
Insider Z
You're making as much sense as you did when you started the "Pro division will be paying for their athletes insurance.." thread.
After I exposed you as a complete idiot, amazingly...you never posted again to explain yourself.
It's YOU GUYS that think they're corrupt and crooked...that's why you're looking for greener pastures, right?
In your own words, you say some of those same oficials will be crosing over to the promised land....
I'll ask you again: WHY DO YOU WANT THEM?
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I've got an idea...why don't you contact Wayne and see about being a promoter for the PDI?
Surely, with your marketing genius and the money you claim to make...I see big $$$ in YOUR future.
This the PERFECT opportunity for a young entrepreneur such as yourself to grasp a once in a lifetime chance, and finally be a pert of pro bb in some manor other than posting bullshit on the internet all day...
GO FOR IT KID!!
Bob, I appreciate career advice from nonsustainable earner like yourself, but I'll pass. Turns out doing contract work without binding affiliations is working out a little better for me.
Since we're talking about careers, though... Tell me, what have you done in your year as Athlete's Rep to grow the sport? From what I can see, there is still no health insurance, judging still reeks, prize $ sucks, and it doesn't pay to put on a show. Plus mag sales are down.
In the last 3 months, I've got freecraigtitus.com on MSNBC and hits through the roof, I've grown b7 to 1800 members, built the Pro Div fan site, and now I'm doing Pro Div athlete promotions, in addition to my regular client list- about 25 full sites and launches in 10 weeks. Plus my work outside of the BBing realm. And I'm just a "KID".
Tell us, what have you achieved in the last year as Athlete's Rep? It must scare the hell out of you to know that internet idiots can outperform you.
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Hey Chick,
you say that might not be a first show?
Well, as the man that sees tomorrow this is what I see
1) NoC will take place
2) You will be sitting in the third row
3) You will be there because the company you work for will be a sponsor
Insider Z
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Any pic of Bob Chick sitting in the stands at a Pro Div show will be major pwnage.
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Hey Chick,
you say that might not be a first show?
Well, as the man that sees tomorrow this is what I see
1) NoC will take place
2) You will be sitting in the third row
3) You will be there because the company you work for will be a sponsor
Insider Z
If my company sponsors it..great. Thats not my call.
I'll be more than happy to be sitting in the 3rd row...let's just hope theres people sitting behind me...!
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Bob,
you'd better get off the computer and start training 'cause Vince Taylor looks far better than you.
By the way, I will be sitting behind you because I have already bought my ticket.
Insider Z
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If my company sponsors it..great. Thats not my call.
Interesting.
So you'd sell your image/likeness to a company whose sponsorships went against your own personal beliefs?
Some would call that "selling out".
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Bob, I appreciate career advice from an illegal drug user and nonsustainable earner like yourself, but I'll pass. Turns out doing contract work without binding affiliations is working out a little better for me.
Since we're talking about careers, though... Tell me, what have you done in your year as Athlete's Rep to grow the sport? From what I can see, there is still no health insurance, judging still reeks, prize $ sucks, and it doesn't pay to put on a show. Plus mag sales are down.
In the last 3 months, I've got freecraigtitus.com on MSNBC and hits through the roof, I've grown b7 to 1800 members, built the Pro Div fan site, and now I'm doing Pro Div athlete promotions, in addition to my regular client list- about 25 full sites and launches in 10 weeks. Plus my work outside of the BBing realm. And I'm just a "KID".
Tell us, what have you achieved in the last year as Athlete's Rep? It must scare the hell out of you to know that internet idiots can outperform you.
What have I done to make the sport grow? are you joking?? More than anyone else has done in the last 40 years as far as the athletes are concerned.
1. group health insurance available to all IFBB pro's
2. 4th place finisher qualifies if top 3 already are (your boy Mustafa can thank me for that one.)
3. Judges scores made public to athletes
4. set up data base for all official IFBB shows/ info
5. 2 free tickets to all IFBB pro's to any IFBB event
6. IFBB show purse to be backed up/ insured
you're right...what have I done for the sport? Tough to compete with the guy that started
"free craig titus.com"
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Interesting.
So you'd sell your image/likeness to a company whose sponsorships went against your own personal beliefs?
Some would call that "selling out".
you're making yourself sound like an idiot...that doesn't even make sense.
What are MY personal beliefs, BTW...you don't you tell me?
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you're making yourself sound like an idiot...that doesn't even make sense.
What are MY personal beliefs, BTW...you don't you tell me?
Hey Chick,
how could you consider everyone an idiot just 'cause they don't want to be a Manion's puppet like you?
Insider Z
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I consider you an idiot, given the fact you STILL won't answer the question I asked...
BTW..who was paying for the athletes insurance again?? I must have missed it...
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I really have some reservations about PDI making it.
For example take a look a Shawn Ray’s show, he is having trouble attracting top athletes and this is a sanctioned event. The IFBB states that a card carrying Pro can’t enter and non-sanctioned event, so what kind of representation are they going to have on stage. Even as it is now everybody is really dissapointed with shows that don't showcase top talent. How many top tier pro's are joining PDI? Hopes and wishes don't pay the bills. Without the media supporting PDI, the athletes won't even land top dollar contracts because they just won't have the exposure needed.
Most of the Top Magazines are AMI owned and I can’t believe they are going to do anything to promote something that leads to direct competition with their Olympia. What will happen with the signed athletes already, can they even leave without breaking contractural obligations?
I am not sure how many guys are willing to risk everything on a chance. You don’t have to take a long look back to see what happened to some of the WBF guys and that was a guaranteed paycheck they jumped ship for, PDI isn’t.
Don’t get me wrong I will spend a few of my bucks supporting the PDI when they do come out, if we don’t do that at least they will never survive.
Shawn is having problems with getting competitors cause he is not offering them anything to come. NO expenses are being paid for the BB's. Meaning they are flipping their own bill. They are not used to that. Some will do it just to be in it and hopefully have a chance to win something.
When you say "how many guys are willing to take a risk" WHAT RISK? What does the IFBB do any of their members? The PDI is raising prize money every other year. PDI will pay for as many of the athletes expenses for each show as possible.
And the funniest thing is AMI owns the major industry magazines. What does that mean or do. They do nothing for the IFBB or NPC shows now. Are they gicing back to the BB industry they have dexcided to get invovled with. Are they giving FREE ads to all the show promoters in the NPC and IFBB. AMI has done nothing to help BB whatsoever. When are you people who continue to increase your delusion the IFBB is good for BB and that it is god almighty and can't be beaten. They are a bunch of losers who take advantage of the BB's themselves and the fans.
You think you would have noticed after the 1st Olympia that they know NOTHING. They fucked up the most premier BB show in the industry. And it only took them one year. Get it through your heads.
Why do you think AMI is looking to sell there 50% of the Olympia. AMI has lost millions of dollars since becoming involved with BB. How many IFBB shows are there now in the US. Not many. The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB. It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses. How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling. Imgaine this, every NPC promoter and IFBB promoter decides to take the year off. What the fuck happens. There will be no shows. Who will put on shows. NO ONE!. Wayne owns the PDI and he is 100% involved with it. And you are talking about magazines and stuff. Believe me he has plenty of press onboard. You do honestly think you know everything what is happening with PDI. Wayne has been doing this for a long long time. He has made some enemies along the way but believe me he has made way more friends that are stepping forward to support PDI.
The IFBB better get their shit together.
The way it looks, PDI worse show may be as good as the IFBB's best show.
Keith "if you only knew what and who i talk too" Jones
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I cant wait to see this pan out ....
I hate the monopoly of the IFBB....
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I cant wait to see this pan out ....
I hate the monopoly of the IFBB....
I hate people that defend the monopoly of the IFBB
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That is exactly it. I hate more than anything companies and people who think they have or do have the monopoly on anything. They are arugant assholes who use people cause they can't do it themselves. And if something goes wrong they get rid ofor punish the people who did the work. Manion is a pussy flat out. As is the Weiders. The use people and the people they use are either too stupid or ignorant to realize or just have no where else to go or both. I hate pussies who hide behind others that do the work and when something goes wrong they hide and make the front guy take the fall. If something goes great then they are right there accepting the rewards and accolades. They are just pussies.
How many promoters can people list. Not many. How many people associate the Olympia to Weiders, evryone. What the fuck do they do to help put on the show. All they have is their name everyhwere. Chic is simply a puppet as mentioned before. Not to knock him but to tell you the truth he should give up the rep job and either concntrate on competing 100% or get out of BB and concentrate on acting and make real money and a career.
At least in acting you can make more money and have a nice pension when you retire and have health insurance (real insurance) for free.
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I consider you an idiot, given the fact you STILL won't answer the question I asked...
BTW..who was paying for the athletes insurance again?? I must have missed it...
Hey Bob,
please consider that I may be an idiot but I have no commitments with you and you are not my rep.
I'm used to answer to polite people and you don't look like being one of those.
Insider Z
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nice out....way to back yourself up.
thanks for coming....please keep us updated on more of those "exclusive inside" tidbits you have...
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Imagine the Ownage if this PDI thing goes through or falls on its face...
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The PDI's advantage is that Wayne Demilia has the necessary experience to get things done. When the WBF started up, the IFBB was a rock solid organization and no one else could compete with them. That's all changed now. Since AMI's involvement, there has been a clear decline in the professionalism/quality of the shows. This is a good time for a new organization to bring things back to a level they used to be.
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I agree with 240 on the fact that the internet and boards like this have made it possible for an org. like Weider to be exposed for the monopoly it is.
You cant hate on Bob, he is just doing his thing...
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Shawn is having problems with getting competitors cause he is not offering them anything to come. NO expenses are being paid for the BB's. Meaning they are flipping their own bill. They are not used to that. Some will do it just to be in it and hopefully have a chance to win something.
Didn't know that, but then by the punctuation you would notice tha most of the stuff I stated were questions, so thanks for the answer.
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When you say "how many guys are willing to take a risk" WHAT RISK? What does the IFBB do any of their members? The PDI is raising prize money every other year. PDI will pay for as many of the athletes expenses for each show as possible.
Ask Gary Strydom about risks, and most of the money comes from endorsments not from standing onstage. So until the supplement companies and magazines make OFFICIAL announcements that they are on board and supporting PDI, its a BIG risk
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And the funniest thing is AMI owns the major industry magazines. What does that mean or do. They do nothing for the IFBB or NPC shows now. Are they gicing back to the BB industry they have dexcided to get invovled with. Are they giving FREE ads to all the show promoters in the NPC and IFBB. AMI has done nothing to help BB whatsoever. When are you people who continue to increase your delusion the IFBB is good for BB and that it is god almighty and can't be beaten. They are a bunch of losers who take advantage of the BB's themselves and the fans.
Name me one industry magazine in any sport that doesn't profit from the Sport(s) they feature. So you never look at Flex or Muscle and fitness? I would call this the promotion for the sport and their profit as well. Do I agree with the money distribution, not a chance but if there was no profit there would be no magazine. I know Sports Illustrated keeps the bulk of its revenue and tries to avoid even paying minimum amounts when they can. Its called business.
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You think you would have noticed after the 1st Olympia that they know NOTHING. They fucked up the most premier BB show in the industry. And it only took them one year. Get it through your heads.
Why do you think AMI is looking to sell there 50% of the Olympia. AMI has lost millions of dollars since becoming involved with BB. How many IFBB shows are there now in the US. Not many. The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB. It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses. How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling. Imgaine this, every NPC promoter and IFBB promoter decides to take the year off. What the f**k happens. There will be no shows. Who will put on shows. NO ONE!. Wayne owns the PDI and he is 100% involved with it. And you are talking about magazines and stuff. Believe me he has plenty of press onboard. You do honestly think you know everything what is happening with PDI. Wayne has been doing this for a long long time. He has made some enemies along the way but believe me he has made way more friends that are stepping forward to support PDI.
The media still controls the fans. Otherwise there would have been no buzz about Federov. Tell me you weren't the least bit interested about his showing. He turned out to be a paper tiger, but it was the media who built the interest that I am sure even you were intrigued with.
If it was not so why would Jay Cutler keep stating that it isn't about the money on stage, he needs to win the Olympia so he can claim to be the #1 Bobybuilder in the world and a new world of possiblities for endorsments. So again, until the supplement companies and magazines make OFFICIAL announcements that they are on board and supporting PDI, its a BIG risk
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How many IFBB shows are there now in the US. Not many. The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB. It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses. How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling
True but the biggest shows and prizes are still on US soil. I never stated I supported the IFBB, I just said it is a risk stepping into unknown waters which until more information comes forth this is PDI.
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Keith "if you only knew what and who i talk too" Jones
And god I wish I did know who you talk too, so I could get my questions answered.
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only non-corrupt judges will be permitted in the PDI
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Hey Chick,
If you really represent the the Pros why aren't you fighting for the opportunity for all of them to compete in any
professional competitions. Are you representing their interests or your own? I'm really puzzled by your position on
these matters. If you are going to lead please do so or vacate your post. As far as I can see you are not leading
the ranks to broaden their means of making a living.
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year 2??
Lets see SHOW 1, first...
For a supposedly impartial athletes rep who wanted to head a union (an adversarial organization of workers against bosses and mangagement), you seem to be the biggest apologist for the powers that be. So telling. You represent the athletes as long as they bow down to the monolithic IFBB bureaucracy.
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All right - very interesting arguements regarding the PDI. First of all - Chick is working his butt off to bee the best athlete's rep that he can be. He has a lot of obstacles - and a lot of unappreciative competitors who don't even bother to come to a meeting or respond to concerns. As the athlete's rep for the IFBB - he is there to listen to people, and to try and work out differences. He does that.
As for the PDI - claiming it will be a great organization is your opinion, but as with any startup organization, lets see. That is all Chick is asking to see. There are some amatuer shows coming up, there is the first 'pro' show coming two weeks before the Olympia - but again - who is sponsoring it - who is going to be there - etc.
The PDI is getting much more interest than other bodybuilding organizations out there - and all there has been is a few notices on the boards. What is getting interest is that Wayne DeMilia is behind that - and he has a success record. If it was someone else, would we be saying anything? Probably not.
However - like many others - we are all waiting. If there is something newsworthy to report - then the magazines, the boards, and other bodybuilding sites will report it. As for the IFBB, all are all still going to go to the contests, and talk about it. What the PDI is going to do, as it nears its first competition, is make the IFBB be much more aware of things. Many of us are still going to support all IFBB shows (including Shawn show, New York Pro, Olympia, etc). But will be watching the PDI. Yes, with interest because it is a newsworthy interest.
The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go??? Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???
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Hey Chick,
If you really represent the the Pros why aren't you fighting for the opportunity for all of them to compete in any
professional competitions. Are you representing their interests or your own? I'm really puzzled by your position on
these matters. If you are going to lead please do so or vacate your post. As far as I can see you are not leading
the ranks to broaden their means of making a living.
First I think his position as rep is a dead issue. It went no where and I think it probably is being fizzled out. It was poven at the last IFBB Pros meeting at the Arnold. Without involvement from the other IFBB pros it is basically a one man's crusade against a bunch morons and fuckups who run the BB industry.
Name me one industry magazine in any sport that doesn't profit from the Sport(s) they feature. So you never look at Flex or Muscle and fitness? I would call this the promotion for the sport and their profit as well. Do I agree with the money distribution, not a chance but if there was no profit there would be no magazine. I know Sports Illustrated keeps the bulk of its revenue and tries to avoid even paying minimum amounts when they can. Its called business.
I meant what does the magazines do for the shows. You say unless PDI gets the support from the magazines. What support does he need and what support do the other IFBB and NPC shows get? NONE! Only the Arnold and Olympia get any kind of major coverage. And the others that are being faetured ar after the fact. AMI does not give away free advertising to the promoters for there shows. They get charged just like everyone else. And it is expensive that is why you rarely see any ads for NPC or IFBB shows other than the Olympia and Arnold. That is what I am saying, what will the magazines do for PDI that they need that they can't buy like anyone else. And their are allot fo magazines in Europe in the health and fitness industry. Here is a flash, right now the majority of the scheduled shows for the PDI are in Europe. There is a reason for that. The support for the PDI has been overwhelming in Europe with sponsors, media and promoters. Wait to see how much the US supplement companies jump onboard when they see the European market being opened for them by the PDI. The IFBB is losing grip on what they have had a monopoly on for ever. Too bad, it couldn't happen to a better group of assholes.
And like someone else said, when the WBF was formed it was formed by people who knew nothing about BB and its demographics. Just like when AMI bought into this industry. They knew nothing and they are proving it day after day. Wayne has been around BB for many years. He is in the trenches not behind a desk like Weiders and Manion. He knows the BB industry. That is a huge difference when you start something like PDI. No matter what people say bad about Wayne, he was there not hiding like the others.
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All right - very interesting arguements regarding the PDI. First of all - Chick is working his butt off to bee the best athlete's rep that he can be. He has a lot of obstacles - and a lot of unappreciative competitors who don't even bother to come to a meeting or respond to concerns. As the athlete's rep for the IFBB - he is there to listen to people, and to try and work out differences. He does that.
Don't blame the athletes for their own oppressed position. They don't regard Chick's efforsts because he doesn't provide what is needed, real fighting leadership for the athletes against the bureaucracy. An athletes rep is not supposed to be an mediator, but militant leadership for the athletes. How do you expect any athlete to become motivated to come to Chick's meetings to supposedly fight for better conditions, when at the slightest critique of the bureaucracy, Chick is in the IFBB's corner explaining how great they are.
Here we finally have a rival division where there is hope that the athletes might fare better, and everyone of Chick's posts have been filled with condescension and a veiled hope that it fails. Some athletes rep...really concerned for the athletes, or his own privledged position?
I cry foul.
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What is wrong w/ doing a little research around the states and finding creditable sport doctors that are into bodybuilding and have them judge the new division?
Those individuals should have some creditability?
how does one become a judge anyway?
no "in back pocket" judges just new inexperienced people that just enjoy the art of bodybuilding.
Just a thought, I know there are many variables to consider and I'm probally out in left field but....
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The athletes support Bob!
After all, he had a lot of supporters show up at his meeting at the ASC, right?
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The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go??? Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???
Well I hope that nothing happens to any IFBB pro that simply goes and watches a PDI event. I am pretty sure the IFBB legally cannot forbid anyone whether signed or not to go do what they want todo on their free time. I am pretty sure the IFBB doesn't own these guys (except one, Chic). And if a company is spnsoring a show then I would think the BB is obligated to appear in their booth or whatever or be in default of their contract. That whole paragraph Ron sounds like a kingdom ruled by the IFBB and unless its subjects do what they are told they will be beheaded or even worse get kicked out of the IFBB (heaven forbid).
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Chick, you're a shite pro.
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I will do everyone a favor here and find out who the judges will be chosen from. But I highly doubt many if any IFBB judges will be used. they have already proven they are not qualified to judge a BB contest.
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I was just thinking (I do that sometimes), if the IFBB pros really want to see BB go forward for the better they would support and go to every PDI event. Instead of Chic being the IFBB rep for the ahtletes (since he is obviously not the athletes rep) he would to encourage them all to attend because it is helping out BB and the bodybuilders themsleve. But then again, it appears not many IFBB pros listen to Chic.
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The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go??? Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???
A most poignant question, I would really be interested in seeing how this one would be handled.
What would the IFBB do if BSE wanted Ronnie at a PDI show to do the Expo?
This is going to be quite the conundrum for Bob as the IFBB athlete’s rep to answer.
But until PDI launches and this comes to terms the IFBB doesn’t have to “kick this anthill”…yet.
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Question for Onlyme....
Will PDI let the athletes enter IFBB or other Non PDI events?
I can only think that this would have healthy benefits for the sport if they could do any shows they chose in any federation without repercussions.
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Chic is attempting to help the athletes but gets no support. Ron, myself and others have seen it first-hand. The competitors would rather bitch and moan then do something about it. God forbid something postive take place and people embrace it.
"Comeback kid" since you seem to have all the answers, who would get more done then Chic? Chic is the athlete's rep for the IFBB, why would he support anything but the organization he represents and attempt to make it better?
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"Comeback kid" since you seem to have all the answers, who would get more done then Chic? Chic is the athlete's rep for the IFBB, why would he support anything but that organization and attempt to make it better?
What would I do? Well first I would avail myself of the Federal laws set up under the National Labor Relations Board. Before the athletes illusions in Chick were smashed, Chick should have engaged in a real union campaign. This would have required getting an established union supporting a signature drive. If Bob could have secured the signatures of 30% percent of the athletes, he could have forced a vote which if supported by 50% of the athetes would have turned the IFBB into a "union shop." This means that the IFBB would have to negotiate with the athletes as a cumulative body and not as individuals. Its called "collective bargining." Athletes would not be allowed to compete professionally unless the joined the union...similar to pro baseball or football.
At this point, having a real union in place, the athletes could have withheld competing until prize money and accomodations were improved. The athletes would have tremendous power, especially since the majority of their incomes are not from competing. They are not dependent on the IFBB, rather the IFBB is dependent on the athletes. If the IFBB can't deliver...let the union organize its own competions under a profit sharing plan designed not to make money for a greedy bureaucracy...but rather provide for the well being of the athletes as a whole.
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comebackkid, you seem to know your stuff!
Bob, have you initiated unionization steps to protect the athletes?
No he hasn't. I've already had this debate with him. You can't expect fighting leadership from someone whos status of rep is one of privledge. There is no incentive for him to fight the bureaucracy when they are the one who provide him his "elevated" status.
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If it was 3rd tier pros, they might have asked you to come. They didn't.
No, this will be a steady mix of tier 1,2, and 3 guys the first year. year two, once your Cutlers/Martinez'/Branchs see guys will lesser physiques pulling 3 times the money, they'll jump two. Year two will be the big one.
ROFL!! Bob set himself up with that "3rd and 4th tier" comment........saw this one coming from a mile away.
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If there was a 4 tier category.....he may be ranked at the top.
I still put Bob in the mediocre 3rd tier as of late.
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PDIs position regarding athletes entering other pro shows is that any Pro can enter
any competition without sanctions being held against them regardless of affiliation.
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first athlete to declare pro should be announcing it soon, right?
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first athlete to declare pro should be announcing it soon, right?
Mark my words...or picture.
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What would I do? Well first I would avail myself of the Federal laws set up under the National Labor Relations Board. Before the athletes illusions in Chick were smashed, Chick should have engaged in a real union campaign. This would have required getting an established union supporting a signature drive. If Bob could have secured the signatures of 30% percent of the athletes, he could have forced a vote which if supported by 50% of the athetes would have turned the IFBB into a "union shop." This means that the IFBB would have to negotiate with the athletes as a cumulative body and not as individuals. Its called "collective bargining." Athletes would not be allowed to compete professionally unless the joined the union...similar to pro baseball or football.
At this point, having a real union in place, the athletes could have withheld competing until prize money and accomodations were improved. The athletes would have tremendous power, especially since the majority of their incomes are not from competing. They are not dependent on the IFBB, rather the IFBB is dependent on the athletes. If the IFBB can't deliver...let the union organize its own competions under a profit sharing plan designed not to make money for a greedy bureaucracy...but rather provide for the well being of the athletes as a whole.
Lift Studios = OWNED!
5. 2 free tickets to all IFBB pro's to any IFBB event
WOW , MONSTER NEGOTIATING SKILLS
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Let's all remember - Chick has a Weider (now AMI) contract. AMI ows the mags and puts on the biggest shows for the IFBB. Chick will NEVER admit that this new fed has a chance because he has a paycheck at risk. I see it as Bob representing himself more than the athletes.
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Let get a few facts straight boys....
1. I attempted to form a athletes union a few years ago.... not enough support to attend the MEETING to even see if a union was a option, was present. Out of over 100+ responses from pro's everywhere...only 25-30 had the balls to show up at the meeting. The rest were too scared, or were having their contracts threatened by...you guessed it...Wayne himself.
The athletes spoke...not interested in starting a union.
2. I've never bad mouthed the "PDI"....hell, I've talked to Wayne himself about the opportunity it presents to athletes and the advantages of having competition in the same market. I have had many conversations with IFBB pro athletes about what they should consider, and if going to a new federation is in their best interest....for some, I've advised to give it a shot....others, to not even consider it.
I've asked some very fair questions, and made comments along the lines of "wait and see"...
I support the athletes...whatever organization they wish to support is a personal choice of THEIRS and THEIRS alone.
3. I don't have to "tow the company line"...I'm not employed by the IFBB, Jim Manion, nor am I in any "blue blazer" capacity within the IFBB....I'm the athletes representative. I present changes to the IFBB on behalf of the athletes, and in the athletes best interests...so far I have yet to have any athletes that are dissatified with what I've achieved, or that have come forward to complain.
For that matter, (other than Shawn Ray and Betty Pariso) I have also yet to receive 1 SINGLE item for submission from any other pro....I've scheduled meetings for the athletes to voice their opinions and be heard...so far, the interest level is pathetic. They are content to let me handle things on my own...fine by me. I 'll continue to schedule meetings, send out emails and make positive changes for the betterment of the athletes in the IFBB...maybe athletes will start to take an interest in THEIR futures, maybe they won't...it's in THEIR hands.
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Sometimes I wonder why Chick even responds to 240 or Insider.
Chick is doing excellent work, he is a great spokesman, and he knows that you have to give and take in order to get things accomplished, and he knows change will not happen overnight.
Insider, you said you were a former Pro BB. Well now I understand, you will support any organization outside of the IFBB because let me guess, you always got judged unfairly, the contests were all fixed, and you should have been Mr. Olympia.
Good Luck to Wayne and his new organization. For those who want to join good luck. As for me I will stay w/ the NPC/IFBB. I'll stick around and help Chick plug that sloooooooooooowwwww leak!!!
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Hard to imagine that bodybuilders don't have the foresight to think about their futures.
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must be a slow leak...it's taking 60 years to go down.
lets see them get 1 show off the ground before "ruling the world".
Yeah and what did they say about the Titanic?
Bob love ya your a great company man :).Oh and good luck against Vince.When you wish upon a star ...well you know the rest
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...and good luck in the PDI, Lee. ;D
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Let get a few facts straight boys....
1. I attempted to form a athletes union a few years ago.... not enough support to attend the MEETING to even see if a union was a option, was present. Out of over 100+ responses from pro's everywhere...only 25-30 had the balls to show up at the meeting. The rest were too scared, or were having their contracts threatened by...you guessed it...Wayne himself.
The athletes spoke...not interested in starting a union.
Did you start a signature drive? What Federated Unions did you speak to about organizing? 30 attendants at a first meeting out of 100+ responses is a helluva start. Congratulations. What did you do next? Did you move from there by getting union cards signed by the attendees and then move on those who didn't attend by explaining that there was interest...and potential numbers behind the move?
Why didn't more show up? Maybe because you're not viewed as an independent representative fighting on behalf of the athletes, but rather an mediator. You're an appoined arm of the bureaucracy.
Bob, admit it. You have no clue how to facilitate an organizing drive. Moreover, you're ignorant to the tactics and goals of a union. This is demonstrated by your vocal support for the IFBB, the bosses. The athletes (the workers) are in perpetual conflict with the bureaucracy. For every dollar the bureaucracy gets, that's one less dollar for the athletes. Where's the struggle?
Bob you're not the leader of the struggle, but the graveyard where they are buried.
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must be a slow leak...it's taking 60 years to go down.
lets see them get 1 show off the ground before "ruling the world".
Yeah and what did they say about the Titanic?
Bob love ya your a great company man :).Oh and good luck against Vince.When you wish upon a star ...well you know the rest
Chick got owned!!! :D
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Did you start a signature drive? What Federated Unions did you speak to about organizing? 30 attendants at a first meeting out of 100+ responses is a helluva start. Congratulations. What did you do next? Did you move from there by getting union cards signed by the attendees and then move on those who didn't attend by explaining that there was interest...and potential numbers behind the move?
Why didn't more show up? Maybe because you're not viewed as an independent representative fighting on behalf of the athletes, but rather an mediator. You're an appoined arm of the bureaucracy.
Bob, admit it. You have no clue how to facilitate an organizing drive. Moreover, you're ignorant to the tactics and goals of a union. This is demonstrated by your vocal support for the IFBB, the bosses. The athletes (the workers) are in perpetual conflict with the bureaucracy. For every dollar the bureaucracy gets, that's one less dollar for the athletes. Where's the struggle?
Bob you're not the leader of the struggle, but the graveyard where they are buried.
This was 3 years ago, genius....I wasn't the athletes rep, there was none.
Organize it yourself counselor, nothing standing in your way....remember, your the LEADER OF THE INTERNET!
Start a thread to organize it...all the pro's are right here, ready to be lead to the promised land...by the Comeback Kid...!
Good luck
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Chick, like I said why bother w/ these comments. Not one person you are responding to has any credibility in this sport.
Stay the course ChicK, you are on the right path.
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This was 3 years ago, genius....I wasn't the athletes rep, there was none.
Organize it yourself counselor, nothing standing in your way....remember, your the LEADER OF THE INTERNET!
Start a thread to organize it...all the pro's are right here, ready to be lead to the promised land...by the Comeback Kid...!
Good luck
You're such a great cynic. You know Bob, anyone with any understanding of Logic will see this as you raising the white flag of surrender in this arguement.
I've been in my share of Labor struggles. Don't fret, I wear the scars from the everyday. And be rest assured...I'll earn a few more before the end of my days. But now put yourself back on the ground of reality. I haven't an audience with the pros bodybuilders. That's first. Second, I'm not a pro competitor myself. Again, if you understood anything about Unions, you'd know that the seed has to come from within. No leader will lead the athletes (workers) to the promised land. They have the ability to lead themsleves with a leader from their own ranks. They dont' need some glorious savior from without. You on the other hand Bob...didn't know what you were doing. If there was a chance...you buried it.
I think if there is a man amongst the Pros who could provide such leadership....its you Lee. You'd fight the good fight.
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I think if there is a man amongst the Pros who could provide such leadership....its you Lee. You'd fight the good fight.
I'm sure that's why he's getting tattooed . . . putting his war-paint on before he leads the Pros in glorious battle against the aging Authority.
I'm sure the "labor struggle" will result in wonderful things . . . just ask the "Big 3" in Detroit or any one of a number of American airlines.
But, never mind, I like to wave a red flag too every now and again. Must be the attention-seeker in me.
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Insider, you said you were a former Pro BB. Well now I understand, you will support any organization outside of the IFBB because let me guess, you always got judged unfairly, the contests were all fixed, and you should have been Mr. Olympia.
Ehi sweetie,
you should read better my posts. I wrote I was a pro. Period.
So funny to see "rescue squads" post every now and then to explain which side are they on.
Insider Z
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Ehi sweetie,
you should read better my posts. I wrote I was a pro. Period.
So funny to see "rescue squads" post every now and then to explain which side are they on.
Insider Z
My bad! So you left off BB'er, so you could be like a pro figure skater or something. I got you my bad
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You're such a great cynic. You know Bob, anyone with any understanding of Logic will see this as you raising the white flag of surrender in this arguement.
I've been in my share of Labor struggles. Don't fret, I wear the scars from the everyday. And be rest assured...I'll earn a few more before the end of my days. But now put yourself back on the ground of reality. I haven't an audience with the pros bodybuilders. That's first. Second, I'm not a pro competitor myself. Again, if you understood anything about Unions, you'd know that the seed has to come from within. No leader will lead the athletes (workers) to the promised land. They have the ability to lead themsleves with a leader from their own ranks. They dont' need some glorious savior from without. You on the other hand Bob...didn't know what you were doing. If there was a chance...you buried it.
I think if there is a man amongst the Pros who could provide such leadership....its you Lee. You'd fight the good fight.
It' you that is in fantasyland, my friend...
what part about "they werent interested" didn't you get?
They (the athletes) don't even have the interest to attend their own meetings, let alone start and support a union.....
THATS REALITY
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It' you that is in fantasyland, my friend...
what part about "they werent interested" didn't you get?
They (the athletes) don't even have the interest to attend their own meetings, let alone start and support a union.....
THATS REALITY
to a battle-scarred and charismatic organizer like comeback, the pros' apathy would be no obstacle . . .
if he were the rep, he would have them all on their feet roaring for change . . .
In my mind's eye, he is sort of like Maximus from Gladiator.
:P
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Until 'Pro Division Incorporated' includes the word 'Bodybuilding' in their title, they are going to fail and fail huge. Any new endeavor, must include the type of sport they are attempting to promote.
On another note; I'm planning to start 'Galactic International Enterprises Ltd'. Who wants to join? Our 1st event is in June.
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Bob, as a budding actor I was curious to know how you "became" the character in the critically acclaimed role you played in dodgeball.
Did you use the "method", to portray the inner workings of the character?
I hear this has been used by your fellow thespians al pacino and bobby de niro.
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I think if there is a man amongst the Pros who could provide such leadership....its you Lee. You'd fight the good fight.
Comeback's vision for the IFBB rep:
Chick (at meeting held in Madison Square Garden, in a booming baritone): Pecker! Release my men. Free health care is to be provided. There was a dream that was the IFBB. It shall be realized. These are the wishes of Marcus Aurelius.
the rep can't be Lee as he doesn't have the height to dominate men . . .
What the IFBB rep and meetings should be like \/
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My bad! So you left off BB'er, so you could be like a pro figure skater or something. I got you my bad
Should I smile at this wisecrack?
Do we have the new Abbott and Costello Show?
Or you consider you and your buddy Bob more as Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin?
I started my posting few months ago predicting that a new organisation was on the way.
True!!
I'm predicting NoC will take place for good in September.
All the rest is just a lot of talk and a badge!!
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Should I smile at this wisecrack?
Do we have the new Abbott and Costello Show?
Or you consider you and your buddy Bob more as Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin?
I started my posting few months ago predicting that a new organisation was on the way.
True!!
I'm predicting NoC will take place for good in September.
All the rest is just a lot of talk and a badge!!
So you are a Pro Figure Skater!
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So you are a Pro Figure Skater!
Yes, if that makes you happy, darling.
Insider Z
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Yes, if that makes you happy, darling.
Insider Z
we're talking about dreams and hopes and visions and glory . . . and what do you know? people begin this tawdry flirting.
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to a battle-scarred and charismatic organizer like comeback, the pros' apathy would be no obstacle . . .
if he were the rep, he would have them all on their feet roaring for change . . .
In my mind's eye, he is sort of like Maximus from Gladiator.
:P
Or maybe that short German guy in 1939, Adolf something or other
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Or maybe that short German guy in 1939, Adolf something or other
charisma is charisma . . . the man with a vision can get the people to care.
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When you wish upon a star....
Chick, bro, you just got...... OWNED!!!!
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Heh, yea, and Google will never get off the ground till they incorporate "search engine" into their name. Coke will fall flat on it's face if it doesn't hurry up and add "soda pop" to it's name. ::)
IFBB is getting owned hard. Couple of the IFBB "supporters" here are either paid by them and/or seriously brown-nosing...
:) Ok Ok. We don't agree. Remember... for it's first 100 years it was called Coca-Cola. The 'Cola' was so people who hadn't heard of it, would know it was a beverage. Now your Google example... not bad; although I will credit the worldwide infatuation with the internet, and the billions of dollars of revnue generated though electronic commerce, with 95% of Googles success.
I hope I'm wrong about PDI. I hope pro bodybuilders finally get what they deserve. A lot of people have made millions... even billions off bodybuilding. The bodybuilders deserve some too.
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A lot of people have made millions... even billions off bodybuilding. The bodybuilders deserve some too.
a lot of people have made billions off bb? the same folks who gave Chick and Dillett 4 million dollar deals?
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When you wish upon a star....
Chick, bro, you just got...... OWNED!!!!
I can't believe a 1st Tier Pro just said that to a 3rd Tier Pro
;D
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a lot of people have made billions off bb? the same folks who gave Chick and Dillett 4 million dollar deals?
The Weider boys
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"ether" is a pro? who?
Bob love ya your a great company man :).Oh and good luck against Vince.When you wish upon a star ...well you know the rest
thats who
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It's good to know that after spending all day on the internet sucking Manion and Pecker's cocks, Bob can take time off to relax:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=54b1e7bb22050e8eb91649a71788c3c4&action=dlattach;topic=61214.0;attach=71142;image)
Gross.
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It's good to know that after spending all day on the internet sucking Manion and Pecker's cocks, Bob can take time off to relax:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=54b1e7bb22050e8eb91649a71788c3c4&action=dlattach;topic=61214.0;attach=71142;image)
He's got the best "stroker ace" in the industry
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What? It's been over and hour and nothing?????
Ok, Bob all I want to know is can you attend one of those public speaking classes that train you not to say the pitiful sound/word AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH ,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH,,,,,AHH that you like to throw in inbetween words when your speaking?????
Thanks! 8)
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He's got the best "stroker ace" in the industry
hehe
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when's the announcement coming already???????
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It' you that is in fantasyland, my friend...
what part about "they werent interested" didn't you get?
They (the athletes) don't even have the interest to attend their own meetings, let alone start and support a union.....
THATS REALITY
Bob, in any other organizing campaign for labor, you'd be lucky in a shop of 500 to have 5 people at the beginning. And these 5 would have to work very low key, because if they were discovered by management, they'd be out of a job. Also remember that they have an advantage in that all the workers are usually on the same premises within a 24 hour period.
YOU on the other hand had 30 who were able to work in relative openess. This is thirty people in one location when the pros are scattered all over the world, not working in one shop. These 30 would have been a base for an organizing campaign.
Bob, you just didn't know what you were doing. You had no concept of how to "certify" a union. Your outlook is bourgeois. You don't represent the athletes, you represent yourself. Your like a Napolean...as he defused the progressive struggle by positioning with revolutionaries while placating the bourgeosie...you position yourself as a representative of the athletes while acutally carrying out the work of the IFBB bureaucracy.
Hey Bob, the athletes are continually shit upon by the IFBB, agreed. But hey, "long live the IFBB," right? Hypocrite,
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Bob, you just didn't know what you were doing. You had no concept of how to "certify" a union. Your outlook is bourgeois. You don't represent the athletes, you represent yourself. Your like a Napolean...as he defused the progressive struggle by positioning with revolutionaries while placating the bourgeosie...you position yourself as a representative of the athletes while acutally carrying out the work of the IFBB bureaucracy.
Are you for real? Bob is like a "Napolean" . . . man, you need to share some of whatever you're high on . . .
BTW, do you often hear people snickering when you walk through a room?
Here you go, Bob, here's who comeback wants you to be like, not Maximus (my bad), but toussaint.
Edit: Toussaint's holding a charter of IFBB HUMAN RIGHTS as he rallies a bunch of underpaid Afro-Carribeans . . .
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I think Chick is right on this one. If the athletes don't care or are so concerned that their endorsements or contest placings will suffer that they don't or won't show any interest, there's not much Bob can do. He's the athlete rep, not a fag running for class president. The pros at the top - Coleman, Cutler, Jackson don't want to see any changes because they're doing just fine, thank you. The next level of guys thinks they're next in line to reap the benefits, so they don't want to make a fuss, and the third tier guys are the only ones with the balls to say anything because they have little to lose. The fourth tier guys are too busy mowing lawns and bouncing at bars to give a crap.
And cut out all the talk about "doing his best" - losers always whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fcuk the prom queen.
Special "Mason" Ed
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It' you that is in fantasyland, my friend...
what part about "they werent interested" didn't you get?
They (the athletes) don't even have the interest to attend their own meetings, let alone start and support a union.....
THATS REALITY
This is what blowsmeaway. You admit this, yet three years later you still decide to represnt them. Have you ever heard the saying "beat a dead horse" what you are doing is the perfect analogy to that saying
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Let get a few facts straight boys....
1. I attempted to form a athletes union a few years ago.... not enough support to attend the MEETING to even see if a union was a option, was present. Out of over 100+ responses from pro's everywhere...only 25-30 had the balls to show up at the meeting. The rest were too scared, or were having their contracts threatened by...you guessed it...Wayne himself.
The athletes spoke...not interested in starting a union.
Who are you kidding. Do you honestly believe it was Wayne who threatened them. For someone who is supposed to be involved with BB you sure are way off. Wayne did what he was told to do. Let Wayne look like the asshole. Do you honestly believe Weiders would have let Wayne make a decision like that. Chic you are smarter than that I hope. You are making yourself look really bad when you put dumb statements like that down. You probably think it was Wayne who ordered the drug tests on Shawn in 1990. Here is another saying "Don't shoot the messenger" Wayne was the President, he took orders like any other president of an organization. The reason I like Wayne so much is because he didn't behind someone else.
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Enough with the union. It didn't work when Bob tried to set it up a few years back. Shawn Ray was frustrated with the Athlete's Rep when he couldn't get anything done, and quit. At least Bob Cicherillo is trying something to get some interest for the athletes.
But no - for the Arnold - Bob prepared a ton of info for peopel who are interested, from insurance, to business oriented stuff, to trying to get something started - but you know what. Very few people came.
He did a lot of work - and they didn't come. For the athletes who are interested in Bob working and helping out - he is there. But so many athlete's and competitors complain, yet when it comes down to go to a meeting that Bob set up - they don't show. Not only that - they don't even call to tell him they are not coming - or email to say they are not coming but if he could provide some info...
Nothing.
Don't blame Bob - for he is doing the best job that he can do. Blame the athletes that are individual minded and don't care about supporting one another.
Simple as that.
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Like Bob?
I hope not. From what I understand, he says is that he does not work for the IFBB. He reps the athletes not the IFBB. And from what it appears is that no pros are invovled either. So what it is, is a self-inducing vigil to see what he can do to supposedly help the athletes with issues they have with there present situation with the IFBB. But in the same breathe he will defend the IFBB against all negative implications even if they are affecting the athletes he is representing. It really is a stalemate. I just can't believe he still does it.
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Goat I am horrible in math
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Enough with the union. It didn't work when Bob tried to set it up a few years back. Shawn Ray was frustrated with the Athlete's Rep when he couldn't get anything done, and quit. At least Bob Cicherillo is trying something to get some interest for the athletes.
But no - for the Arnold - Bob prepared a ton of info for peopel who are interested, from insurance, to business oriented stuff, to trying to get something started - but you know what. Very few people came.
He did a lot of work - and they didn't come. For the athletes who are interested in Bob working and helping out - he is there. But so many athlete's and competitors complain, yet when it comes down to go to a meeting that Bob set up - they don't show. Not only that - they don't even call to tell him they are not coming - or email to say they are not coming but if he could provide some info...
Nothing.
Don't blame Bob - for he is doing the best job that he can do. Blame the athletes that are individual minded and don't care about supporting one another.
Simple as that.
I am curious to who showed up.
Now I know that names won't be mentioned......but can you atleast tell me if they were..............
1st Tier.....2nd Tier or 3rd Tier Pros?
;D
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People will be surprised at not only the names of the athletes who will switch, but also who are going to judge and promote. Many former pros will be involved with judging and promoting. The names will be revealed as time goes on.
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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Yes people will VERY VERY be surprised who is involved and who some of the judges are. The judging alone will bring many guys over to the PDI. The funny thing that may happen is the PDI is going to wake up Manion, Weiders and AMI. And they will try to change. But, like the old saying goes "you can't change a tigers strips" ( or someothing like that.) I was very surprised when I found out who is going to be judging the PDI shows.
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Insider Z do I know you? Did we just talk on the phone.
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Yes people will VERY VERY be surprised who is involved and who some of the judges are. The judging alone will bring many guys over to the PDI. The funny thing that may happen is the PDI is going to wake up Manion, Weiders and AMI. And they will try to change. But, like the old saying goes "you can't change a tigers strips" ( or someothing like that.) I was very surprised when I found out who is going to be judging the PDI shows.
It sounds like you are more insider than me.
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Insider Z do I know you? Did we just talk on the phone.
Nope.
Positively.
Insider Z
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What I really like about the PDI is how they will qualify more guys for the Pro rank. It gives more guys a chance to do something in BB. It makes the playing field more even. It gives the athletes more leverage when looking for endorsements. It's a fact that probably less than 10 or so IFBB pros actually make enough money from BB to make a decent living. With more shows in the PDI it gives more of a chance for the competitors to make money. WIth many shows overseas it gives them a chance to travel and get more exposure. I can't see a downfall here. The PDI gives BB's so much more power to themselves and gives them more opportunity to excel in BB. Shawn and Chic and whoever think I hate BB. I have supported BB since the late 80's. I have spent more money on BB than most pros. I like BB, I don't the IFBB, NPC, Manion and Weiders. They are bad for BB. Started off great but as the money comes in the greedy scumbag comes out. And that is what I don't like.
It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show. Hard to say what you get, but you do save $50,000. And with that you sure can improve your show. For an IFBB promoter to switch over to the PDI is perfect. Chance the name of the show and save $50,000. Add it to the purse or get a nicer venue or whatever. Why keep losing money doing IFBB shows. The promoter takes the hit not the IFBB. Why keep losing money when you don't have too.
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It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show. Hard to say what you get, but you do save $50,000. And with that you sure can improve your show. For an IFBB promoter to switch over to the PDI is perfect. Chance the name of the show and save $50,000. Add it to the purse or get a nicer venue or whatever. Why keep losing money doing IFBB shows. The promoter takes the hit not the IFBB. Why keep losing money when you don't have too.
don't know if it's worth $50k, but that money does get you associated w an organization that is known, has publicity vehicles, etc. they may not be as good as they could be . . . if PDI charged more, odds are no one would pay.
just b/c something's cheaper doesn't make it better. that said, i'm sure competition will move prices from monopoly range.
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I think Chick is right on this one. If the athletes don't care or are so concerned that their endorsements or contest placings will suffer that they don't or won't show any interest, there's not much Bob can do. He's the athlete rep, not a fag running for class president. The pros at the top - Coleman, Cutler, Jackson don't want to see any changes because they're doing just fine, thank you. The next level of guys thinks they're next in line to reap the benefits, so they don't want to make a fuss, and the third tier guys are the only ones with the balls to say anything because they have little to lose. The fourth tier guys are too busy mowing lawns and bouncing at bars to give a crap.
And cut out all the talk about "doing his best" - losers always whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fcuk the prom queen.
Special "Mason" Ed
The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.
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Actualy The IFBBPro 60k sanction fee is not set in stone and it variys from show to show and promoter to promoter !!!! dont know how they work out the varing sanction fees but they seem to have different strokes for different folks !!!
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Whether PDI will survive or not, one thing is clear AMI/IFBB are running the Mr. Olympia into the ground. Last year they made every screwup imaginable. This year they have the Mr. O sharing the stage with three women's events. Unless something changes, the judging and the night show will be compressed to accommodate the women's events. Last year the men's judging was compressed so the judges could grab an early lunch. This year it will be compressed so they can get their beauty rest. Last year the posing routines were cut to accommodate the Challenge Round. This year they will be compressed for T and A. Whatever you can say about Wayne DeMilia, you would not see this sorry state of affairs if he was still running the show. I would not sell his years of experience and contacts short. If any of you have noticed, he is building his base in Europe, where the professional side of the IFBB, other than the off and on Grand Prix contests, is only a minor presence. Maybe the PDI will wake a few people up before AMI/IFBB have reduced the Mr. O to the equivalent of a Grand Prix event.
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It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show.
Once again your information is incorrect. Having attended most of the IFBB shows over the past 10 years, the promoters tell me they've paid $10K
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I wonder where all the sanction fees and athletes fees ect ect goes ??????? that would be a good question to ask JM on the Bodybuilding radio i would think ???
And the fees do vary by the way , I know promoters whom have payed 20k for sanctioning , plus they have to fly all IFBB officaldom first class with first class accomidation to the event if they desire to be present !!!
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I'm gonna send the latest PDI press release to 'Mythbusters' and see if they can figure this thing out.
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The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.
this is why they need lee in charge and not bob. lee cares about what the long term future holds for the ATHLETES and not just for himself. good job lee keep speaking your mind maybe someday these guys will understand what you are trying to say ;)
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Um. Strange, I was going to be charged $60,000 to put an IFBB show on here. I just talked to the guy who would know and he is the one who told me $60,000 was about average. Oh well, you know what would be interesting is see how much Shawn is paying for his show (the fee)
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I just scanned/read this entire thread and found some of the dialogue informative and interesting.
Don't laugh, but I swear , I would enjoy bodybuilding a whole lot more if I didn't know as much as I do, about all the "business end" of it along with the crazy drug use, etc.
Perhaps in bodybuilding, ignoarance is bliss ??? True....?
I did have a great leg workout today, 10 plates (each side ) for 8 decent reps on leg press and followed that with 405 for 6 on smith machine squats.
Howard
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Considering the quality of IFBB competitors who are doing the show, he should ask for a refund.
The blonde dude in the purple string thing on the right is really impressive ;)
I bet he uses the Louie's dad line in PI, of ; " Take a look at this hunk of man."
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Um. Strange, I was going to be charged $60,000 to put an IFBB show on here. I just talked to the guy who would know and he is the one who told me $60,000 was about average. Oh well, you know what would be interesting is see how much Shawn is paying for his show (the fee)
Does the person who told you it would be $60k work for the IFBB?
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I would be realy pissed if I paid 60k only to find out other promoters pay a lot less, I would be realy realy pissed , I would be demanding some serious answers and refunds !!!, thats why one should always do there home work first, you also would have to ask in the negotation period just what do I get for my outlay, this is where competition will be very very beneficial !!!
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I would be realy pissed if I paid 60k only to find out other promoters pay a lot less, I would be realy realy pissed , I would be demanding some serious answers and refunds !!!, thats why one should always do there home work first, you also would have to ask in the negotation period just what do I get for my outlay, this is where competition will be very very beneficial !!!
I agree. I'd expect a large show like the Arnolds to pay more but the shows in Europe and Australia only pull in 1000-2000 people. A $60K sanction fee would add up to $60 per ticket!
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Does the person who told you it would be $60k work for the IFBB?
Yes they do. Have for ALONG time.
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Yes they do. Have for ALONG time.
Who was it?
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Who was it?
You are great in making questions that won't receive answers.
You just need to wait to see if things happen.
Who cares who says what.
Insider Z
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Hopefully I will get to at least a couple of the European events this year.
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You are great in making questions that won't receive answers.
You just need to wait to see if things happen.
Who cares who says what.
Insider Z
Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show. I e-mailed the theatre and they said
"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "
So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?
I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.
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Insider z is titus
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Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show. I e-mailed the theatre and they said
"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "
So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?
I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.
Kevin,
believe me: I have had my ticket and I have had it at the special price of 50 bucks.
Things are on progress and I think there is a time for everything.
Don't be in hurry, I think Demilia consider you a friend and there'll always be a seat for you when he is the promoter.
I understand your doubts but you should know we are living in weird times and things have to be said and done in proper time.
By the way, I'd like to know your opinion about big daddy Manion dropping the radio interview.
Insider Z
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Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show. I e-mailed the theatre and they said
"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "
So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?
I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.
Cause you are in fact Jim Manion hiding behind a screename. No one wants to help you anymore. Any info will help your position. This is a top secret organization and any leaks could mean disaster for the world. Until you have proven yourself worthy, no information is allowed to be given to you. You must meet the requirements and pass the test. Until then, you will know nothing. And all PDI event tickets are double for you
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I think I just pissed my fuckin pants from that parody contest poster goatboy posted
lolololol
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Cause you are in fact Jim Manion hiding behind a screename. No one wants to help you anymore. Any info will help your position. This is a top secret organization and any leaks could mean disaster for the world. Until you have proven yourself worthy, no information is allowed to be given to you. You must meet the requirements and pass the test. Until then, you will know nothing. And all PDI event tickets are double for you
Damn I've been busted!
As for the tickets I have to hope that InsiderZ can fix me ip with the discounted one's he's getting. 4th row VIP tickets for $50 when everyone else has to pay $200!
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And they're gonna get their money from... where?
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I think I just pissed my fuckin pants from that parody contest poster goatboy posted
lolololol
I did that poster.
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GetBig has proven that it can change things. It gave Manion the flu so he cancelled the show today.
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GetBig has proven that it can change things. It gave Manion the flu so he cancelled the show today.
lol i think it was one man's set of questions:
Monday's show with special guest Jim Manion has been postponed. Unfortunately, Mr. Manion fell victim to the flu. We will be announcing a re-scheduled date for this highly anticipated interview. In the mean time, please enjoy a special "Encore Presentation" of our March 13th broadcast featuring emerging superstar Branch Warren - 8pm est (5pm pst). http://www.ProBodybuildingWeekly.com
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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.
*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event. Why is that?
*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?
*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?
*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself. Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?
*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.
*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness? As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???
*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?
*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?
*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?
*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again. When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?
*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.
*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?
*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB - is tough - is not a conflict of interest?
*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?
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To 240, You are so on target with every question and comment you made for questioning Manion. I truly
believe he will not appear on the show . Basically he is non confrontational and will let others like Weinberger
do his deeds for him. I'm shocked that the IRS hasn't looked into the finances Of the NPC and how the monies are distributed amongst his family members.
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he is scared of 240 questions
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The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.
I could have sworn that bodybuilding was deemed an "individual" sport. So, it's a bit puzzling as to why the guys at the top of the food chain, so to speak, are all of sudden being selfish.
If one were looking from Coleman's perspective, he might see things differently. After all, who was helping Ronnie, while he was still working full-time as a cop? Who cried for him, while he worked 50+ hours per week AND endured all the rigors of preparing for professional competition?
Coleman sees the big picture. He has his health benefits and retirement package, in check. Coleman is still a reserve police officer, which keeps him eligible for his pension. And, he was a full-time cop, during his first three years as Mr. Olympia.
College athletes, in sports like basketball and football, are always told to get an education so that they can make a good living, when their sports careers come to an end. Why doesn't the same hold true for bodybuilders? It appears to me that most of the successful bodybuilders are the ones that had careers and financial plans in place, just in case they didn't make it as bodybuilders.
Reading about Darrem Charles in FLEX was quite enlightening. You talk about a rags-to-riches story. The guy comes to America to be a personal trainer and bodybuilder, leaving his wife and son in Trinidad. He slowly worked his way to prosperity, sending for his family after being in America a year. He turned pro in '92 but didn't get a contract of any kind until 2000 (with Weider). Now, his patience and perserverance has paid off. His personal training business got him through and, now that he's with MuscleTech, the $$$$ are in good supply. And, most of all, he can provide for his son's education.
The answer appears to be simple: Get an education AND A JOB! Putting your eggs all in one basket, especially one as fragile as pro bodybuilding appears to be a sure ticket to disaster.
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lol i think it was one man's set of questions:
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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.
*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event. Why is that?
*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?
*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?
*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself. Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?
*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.
*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness? As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???
*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?
*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?
*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?
*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again. When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?
*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.
*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?
*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB - is tough - is not a conflict of interest?
*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?
With regards to judging, unless those certain pros get named Mr. Olympia, they're going to continue to complain. As for different judges, wasn't/isn't Rich Gaspari a judge? He critiqued some of the very men against whom he once competed, including Shawn Ray.
Besides, different judges is no guarantee that you'll please more of the fans anyway. This past Olympia was a prime example. I remind you of the Challenge Round where Gustavo Badell DEFEATED 7-time (and eventually, 8-time) Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman. Different judges? You betcha!
As for judges you can respect, the ones who did the Challenge Round were not only former competitors, they were all......FORMER MR. OLYMPIA WINNERS!!! If you can't respect them, you can't respect anybody who judges a show. Yet, for the past several months, all we've heard from the magazines is how terrible the Challenge Round is and how it's a "insult" to the competition, to Mr. Olympia, to the fans, to the competitors. That is except for Gustavo Badell; he has no gripes, as it's helped him the last two years (not to mention his employer, who will ride those "How I beat Mr. Olympia" ad-reports featuring Badell, to the bank).
Public display? The Challenge Round scores were displayed on a "jumbotron" screen for all to see. So, not seeing the score ain't much of an issue. Even if you have different judges, you're still going to have controversy. How does Badell not even get compared to either Cutler or Coleman in the regular show, yet he beats them BOTH in the Challenge Round? Even in the Challenge Round, the speculation is that Badell beat Coleman, because three of the 5 former Mr. Os were the "smaller, aesthetic" ones (Scott, Zane, Bannout).
I don't get it. One minute, certain people are DYING to see Ronnie Coleman get beat. Then, when he does, many of those same people are going ballistic when that happens. Badell said in a FLEX interview that, with the Challenge Round, he might end up being Mr. Olympia. Had that round counted in 2005 the way it did in 2004, his words would have been prophetic.
The Challenge Round was a microcosm of many of the things some folks swear to the heavens needs to happen to improve the Mr. Olympia (and bodybuilding, in general): Different judges, judges who are former competitors, displayed scores, etc. Yet, we've seen (or at least, I've seen) virtually no shortage of the blubbering about the ills of this competition.
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lol i think it was one man's set of questions:
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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.
*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event. Why is that?
*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?
*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?
*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself. Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?
*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.
*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness? As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???
*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?
*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?
*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?
*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again. When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?
*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.
*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?
*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB - is tough - is not a conflict of interest?
*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?
Question #1 for 240.
Who cares what you want answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those weren't my questions.
However, they were very good questions.
Solid Attitude, you seem to have your own agenda here. You bash everything that questions the IFBB's authority. If the PDI was running fixed contests, ripping off competitors, and monopolizing a field, I'd be asking WD these same questions.
And you can take a poll. I bet you about 90% of getbig members would LOVE to see those questions answered.
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I tell you 240 should go into fishing. You would make millions. I have never seen so many people bite at the bait you throw out. Maybe politics?
Solid Attitude dear, we are in a vocal minority here. I think the majority here like the IFBB but the noisy ones are really against it. Saying that there are several of the questions that 240 presented that I would like to have been addressed, but in a far more professional and unbiased presentation.
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Forthe people who really defend the Weiners, Manion and the IFBB. What positive things have they done for the BB's that improve their lives. They put on shows, but in reality they don't really put them on someone else does and they get paid for others to do the work yet reap the riches. BB has become a huge business now. It has spawned off many industries including supplements, magazines, shows, clothing, equipment etc. 100's of millions of dollars a year are spent in this industry. Yet the BB's get nothing in relation to the growth. Only the guys at the top are getting rich. And Ronnie Coleman who is supposed to the epitome, the top dog, the man does not make a great living from BB. Sure he has nice stuff and whatever but it pales in comparison to what he should have or compared to other athletes or World Champions. This is all due to the FACT that the Weiners have had 100% control of what happens to the BB's lives. It's too bad so many of you like to be controlled and not in charge of your own destiny and life.
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I tell you 240 should go into fishing. You would make millions. I have never seen so many people bite at the bait you throw out. Maybe politics?
Solid Attitude dear, we are in a vocal minority here. I think the majority here like the IFBB but the noisy ones are really against it. Saying that there are several of the questions that 240 presented that I would like to have been addressed, but in a far more professional and unbiased presentation.
I understand your point NR. I would like Jim to have the opportunity to set the record straight as well. However why even give the 240's and the onlyme's the time of day.
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I understand your point NR. I would like Jim to have the opportunity to set the record straight as well. However why even give the 240's and the onlyme's the time of day.
Yea you don't have me the time of day, I have a nice watch. Solid are you JM.
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This guy had the saavy and political skill to grow the Olympia and grand prix events for years. He killed the WBF and truly understands the nature of competition in BBing shows.
He's had a year to sit back and plan. To talk to the pros he knows. To make quiet deals. To work out the details, and foresee a majority of the problems he will face. He's had a year to talk to sponsors and see their concerns and plan accordingly.
I know many here are undercover IFBB shills who crap all over everything written about the PDI. But any athlete wants more money and a better chance at fair judging. So the athletes are into it. The excitement is here- the fan website www.prodivisionbbing.com gets 4000 hits a week. Everyone is dying to see the real site. It's the number one topic on the boards. Sponsors and mags follow the boards.
Once the landslide starts, there's no stopping it.
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and the new Philly Phanatic is red!
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The WBF was going to die anyway. The drug testing and silly costumes were too much:)
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Plus half of their athletes did that high-fat diet and came in super bloated.
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Plus half of their athletes did that high-fat diet and came in super bloated.
But still, the positive side is that nothing can be worse than the often terrible IFBB judging. I hope that the PDI does well.
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No I dont think so ,most are just waiting for some firm exsistance and a place to go to , every company needs a head office so speak !!! Plus I think if there was some deffinite movement from sponcers on the subject that would help, but all in all most are awear of W Demillias ablitys , I think the big problem has been with the little bits of info being released at varing times , he would have been better of having a big press conference with all details worked out , new pros sighned on , sponcers there and the anouncment of the first big event !!!! with a big prize purse !!!
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I think to people are under estimating the potential in endorsements. As you knwo there are 6 shows this year in Europe. There will be more next year and in other countries. There are huge supplements companies abroad who will be looking for PDI athletes to sponsor. And when the orient opens up watch out! Everyone knows how the Japanese and Asian markets are and how much money they spend.
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You are right, Keith. I know back in the early 90s, there were huge crowds that would follow the athletes in public during the Euro and Rus Grand Prix events
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I think to people are under estimating the potential in endorsements. As you knwo there are 6 shows this year in Europe. There will be more next year and in other countries. There are huge supplements companies abroad who will be looking for PDI athletes to sponsor. And when the orient opens up watch out! Everyone knows how the Japanese and Asian markets are and how much money they spend.
Exactly. I have long ranted how the "International" should be put back in the IFBB.
There are 200 + nations in the world, incorporating an international viewpoint seems to be the prudent thing to do.
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Check out this statement to the IFBB athletes. What was he thinking??
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Check out this statement to the IFBB athletes. What was he thinking??
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I think Bob Chick presented himself about as well as he could in that clip, given his genetic limitations.
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The WBF was going to die anyway. The drug testing and silly costumes were too much:)
Since when do BBers wear silly clothes?
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Since when do BBers wear silly clothes?
You make a super point.
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240 and Adam Empire, priceless commentary ;D I'm a little too young to remember, but do either of you guys remember what was going through your heads when bodybuilders wore fashions like that and striped spandex bodysuits?
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240 and Adam Empire, priceless commentary ;D I'm a little too young to remember, but do either of you guys remember what was going through your heads when bodybuilders wore fashions like that and striped spandex bodysuits?
It's sad. The style snafus of that time permeated ALL parts of our culture.
Rappers wore jheri curls. Rock stars wore spandex. Citizens wore tight pants and tall socks. Bodybuilders did what everyone else did. And, just like in some circles, there are people today who are still dressing like it's the 80s/90s.
PS.... Hi Mike Arvilla!
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Sounds hilarious. Boy, the Jheri curl is something that almost nobody could wear these days. It is like a black mullet, totally unacceptable.
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We may very well be underestimating Wayne, but we could be overestimating him too. It takes a lot of skill and flat-out luck to construct a Pro Division in any sport. I am intrigued, but nothing is certain at this point in time.
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The excitement is here- the fan website www.prodivisionbbing.com gets 4000 hits a week. Everyone is dying to see the real site. It's the number one topic on the boards. Sponsors and mags follow the boards.
Once the landslide starts, there's no stopping it.
Hah, kudos
You're talking more and more like a promoter by the day 240 (with the same flair for stretching the truth as you might give credit to shawn for) :)
Number one topic on the boards.. haha brilliant.
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Well I hope that nothing happens to any IFBB pro that simply goes and watches a PDI event. I am pretty sure the IFBB legally cannot forbid anyone whether signed or not to go do what they want todo on their free time. I am pretty sure the IFBB doesn't own these guys (except one, Chic). And if a company is spnsoring a show then I would think the BB is obligated to appear in their booth or whatever or be in default of their contract. That whole paragraph Ron sounds like a kingdom ruled by the IFBB and unless its subjects do what they are told they will be beheaded or even worse get kicked out of the IFBB (heaven forbid).
This type of comment is totally out of line. To say Chick is owned is an offensive statement. At what point in time did a fat has been become the definitive statement on any issue or question other than " where in the nearest all you can eat buffet?"
What did you ever accomplish, hungout with Kaz . . . what else puts you on the inside?
My advise to you is to be respectful, or you might find yourself getting a new asshole ripped for ya, champ.
Play nice.
The Beef.
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1. 240, you dress like trailer trash so lets not even get into what fashion trends are sad, bad or whatever.
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You make a super point.
Adam Empire just got deuced on
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OMG...The BEEF!, King of all Homo's, is telling everyone about getting a new ass hole ripped.....now that is something the BEEF! has experience at-right CHAMP! That ass has been drilled more times than Exxon has drilled in the middle east!
Listen ass wipe-you are the biggest booty blaster on Getbig-Mindspin and 240 have that FACT proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
My advice to the HOMO BEEF! is to sit down, have a coke and STFU..........oh....forg ot......and have fun starting at the Richard Simmons pic above your bed, you know the one-rigth next to Clay Akins..............hahah ahahahaha
Meltdown.
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When Joe Weider dies Arnold will move his show to Wayne's Pro Division
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This type of comment is totally out of line. To say Chick is owned is an offensive statement. At what point in time did a fat has been become the definitive statement on any issue or question other than " where in the nearest all you can eat buffet?"
What did you ever accomplish, hungout with Kaz . . . what else puts you on the inside?
My advise to you is to be respectful, or you might find yourself getting a new asshole ripped for ya, champ.
Play nice.
The Beef.
Is that you Chic. Why you being so mean to me.
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PRO DIVISION INC ANNOUNCES THE FIRST GROUP OF EUROPEAN EVENTS
Pro Division Inc is proud to announce the initial events on their European schedule. Listed are the first three events. Other PDI European events will be announced in our next press release.
DATE CONTEST& LOCATION PRIZE MONEY
Oct 20th Slovak Pro Championships, Kosice, Slovakia $30,000.
Oct 21st Hungarian Pro Championships, Budapest, Hungary $30,000.
Oct 22nd British Pro Championships, London, England $30,000.
PDI promoters will be paying full expenses for a minimum of eight athletes and they will cover hotel for most of the other athletes who will be traveling on their own money. Athletes receiving full expenses will not only receive their travel but also a private room at each location and $75. expense money per night at each location.
The judging panels will be different for each event in order to make each competition as impartial and non-discriminatory as possible. The panels will feature judges from different amateur and pro organizations from all over the world as well as recently retired pro bodybuilders. All events will be judged under the new and innovative PDI judging system.
Pro Division CEO Wayne S. DeMilia states, “We are ecstatic with the response we have received in the amount of promoters who have come forward to be part of this new venture. The promoters who were more advanced in their promotional preparation will be doing shows in our opening year. The other promoters are already organizing their events for the 2007 season. “
These events occur one month after the initial PDI event, Night of Champions XXVII. NOC will be offering $50,000. in prize money plus the $5,000. NOC ring.
In closing, DeMilia announces, “As we have stated previously, 2006 is only our first year and we feel we are ahead of schedule. There was much skepticism on whether or not we would even have one event. We are still on course to have a minimum of 6 shows this fall, 12 to 15 shows in 2007, and 25 pro events encompassing all major continents by the 2010 season.”
Anyone wishing to purchase tickets for any of the announced 2006 PDI events or any athletes interested in competing should do so by contacting us at prodivisioninc@yahoo.com.
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Meltdown.
Yes it was ;D
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Yes it was ;D
Why did he meltdown so easily? ;D
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from reading chicks posts in this thread it seems as though he is more concerned with the ifbb then the pro athletes rights(athletes rep?)...... hmmmmmmmm. shouldnt it be the oposite?
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bump...
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Wow the whole Getbig ganged up on Chick saying that the PDI had a chance and Chick laughed at them and said noway, conlcusion Chick spanked them all, way to go Chick.
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The plan that is in place by PDI will blow the IFBB away in 3 years. If PDI has 15 shows in 3 years IFBB will be in deep trouble. What IFBB doesn't know is that many of their officials will soon switch which will further weaken IFBB.
And, do you really think all the shows on their schedule will take place this year?? I think they will cancel 2 or 3 of them and they will look worse. Also, look where the shows are held. They are held in school auditoriums instead of theaters. IFBB is putting the sport back 30 years.
I am a former pro. I know what was once there. I am happy PDI has been created and will rule!
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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I think to people are under estimating the potential in endorsements. As you knwo there are 6 shows this year in Europe. There will be more next year and in other countries. There are huge supplements companies abroad who will be looking for PDI athletes to sponsor. And when the orient opens up watch out! Everyone knows how the Japanese and Asian markets are and how much money they spend.
Hmm...... funny how things don't work out the way you think!
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Bob rules the world.
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insider z.
publicly buttfucked by his own words
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I'll be more than happy to be sitting in the 3rd row...let's just hope theres people sitting behind me...!
One of Chick's best lines ever.
;D
Chick: 1
GetBig: 0
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well this didn't come to fruition. however if pdi had serious dollars(hundreds of millions, or billions) backing them and they didnt just give away pro cards they would have had a much better chance.
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The plan that is in place by PDI will blow the IFBB away in 3 years. If PDI has 15 shows in 3 years IFBB will be in deep trouble. What IFBB doesn't know is that many of their officials will soon switch which will further weaken IFBB.
And, do you really think all the shows on their schedule will take place this year?? I think they will cancel 2 or 3 of them and they will look worse. Also, look where the shows are held. They are held in school auditoriums instead of theaters. IFBB is putting the sport back 30 years.
I am a former pro. I know what was once there. I am happy PDI has been created and will rule!
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
it failed.
However, if Wayne didn't get the cancer return, year #2 of the PDI was going to have 6-8 shows. There were Euro promoters set up.
2 shows first year.
6 shows second year.
10 in the 3rd year would have been reasonable.
You had Priest, St Cloud, Frey, Sami, another IFBB guy I can't recall, BSA, and a fre good Euro guys. Would you have had more IFBB guys jump? Stats say yes. 1 guy in year one. 3 guys in year two. Maybe 5 or 7 in year 3? Entire possible as the trend goes.
It was dependent on one guy. If Joe Weider got prostate cancer in 1960, would we have the IFBB today? Doubtful. PDI didn't fly. Dependent on 1 guy who is focusing on more important things right now. When Wayne recovers, with a new lease on life, should he return to the PDI mission, look out lol... it *could* be a scary beast.
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must be a slow leak...it's taking 60 years to go down.
lets see them get 1 show off the ground before "ruling the world".
you're being awfully negative about something that may actually cause bodybuilders to earn some real money and real benefits.. a little competition never hurt anyone, thats why the IFBB are so pathetic (no offense to you of course im not directing it at you, you're kind of in a rock and a hard place it seems)
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I think the biggest reason they failed was they hired a horrible T shirt guy. Keith was too fkn incompetent to get them their shirts and they weren't able to give away free advertising. Don't blame Waynes cancer, blame Keith.
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I think the biggest reason they failed was they hired a horrible T shirt guy. Keith was too fkn incompetent to get them their shirts and they weren't able to give away free advertising. Don't blame Waynes cancer, blame Keith.
their most outspoken guy was a saggy titted ex power lifter who made the modern day Kovacs look like Jay Cutler :-\
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they have the nice idea to do business with money of the others (european sponsors)
their shows were in my opinion homo orientated,
nobody will regret end of PDI
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you're being awfully negative about something that may actually cause bodybuilders to earn some real money and real benefits.. a little competition never hurt anyone, thats why the IFBB are so pathetic (no offense to you of course im not directing it at you, you're kind of in a rock and a hard place it seems)
He ain't being negative, he is saying it how it is, you want facts or bs?, And the ifbb is still the way to go for bodyduilding now and always, thats a fact.
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Did Insider Z ever pay up?