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For years I've done lateral raises like Vince Gironda suggested...like pouring a glass of wine. Well...this way has destroyed my shoulders to no end.
Now I'm hearing that you should do them with palms facing outward...which causes less stress. Little too late for me.
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In for a serious response. I can't do front/side laterals without feeling like I seriously aggravated something the next day and the pain lingers for up to a week sometimes. I have resorted to doing OHP only for direct shoulder work... and just riding on ancillary recruitment (front delts from press, rear delts from doing rows and back stuff) to get by.
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I think scaption raises or cable external rotation raise (arm across the body) are a lot safer for the long term
But U have to consider other factors for shoulder health-t spine mobility, adequate internal external capability of shoulders, your ability to set the shoulders back
But you're a real piece of shit so U should keep doing super heavy dumbbell laterals-hope your shoulder rips apart
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For years I've done lateral raises like Vince Gironda suggested...like pouring a glass of wine. Well...this way has destroyed my shoulders to no end.
Now I'm hearing that you should do them with palms facing outward...which causes less stress. Little too late for me.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do them back straight, palms downward. But, I pulled my rotator cuff 3 times so don;t listen to me.
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"Lateral raises": oh, brother ::)
Shit's absolute joint destruction. Especially that pouring-a-pitcher-of-water tomfoolery.
In general, single-joint exercises are damaging/modestly productive.
HTH
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Wonder what muscle he thinks he's working here?
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Wonder what muscle he thinks he's working here?
It's a special exercise known as the Allah Flap.
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Most people use way too much weight on this exercise in my expert opinion (I am a large powerful man).
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Most people use way too much weight on this exercise in my expert opinion (I am a large powerful man).
This. Less weight higher reps.
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It's a special exercise known as the Allah Flap.
I sure hope he's facing Mecca while he's doing that.
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The proper way is to scream "mother fucker" as you use your entire body to swing the weights. When you are done, throw the dumbells on the floor and pace the gym with your lats flared.
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The proper way is to scream "mother fucker" as you use your entire body to swing the weights. When you are done, throw the dumbells on the floor and pace the gym with your lats flared.
Branch-style!
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Lateral raises don't hurt your shoulder nearly as much as behind neck presses.
Use moderate weights and lead with the elbows instead of your wrists.
Drop sets have been very effective for me. When the side delts burn, you know it's working.
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Do them how Jay does.
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Lateral raises don't hurt your shoulder nearly as much as behind neck presses.
Use moderate weights and lead with the elbows instead of your wrists.
Drop sets have been very effective for me. When the side delts burn, you know it's working.
Agreed.
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Agreed.
Helpful advice.
Now fuck off.
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Helpful advice.
Now fuck off.
Fucking off, then.
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Lateral raises don't hurt your shoulder nearly as much as behind neck presses.
Use moderate weights and lead with the elbows instead of your wrists.
Drop sets have been very effective for me. When the side delts burn, you know it's working.
Poor advice. Leading with the elbows promotes "pinching" in the shoulder. With years comes inflammation. These aggravate the living hell out of the joint.
Anything where a resistance is pulled out and away from the body off a single joint (such as, say, leg extension) will eventually yield trouble.
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Poor advice. Leading with the elbows promotes "pinching" in the shoulder. With years comes inflammation. These aggravate the living hell out of the joint.
Anything where a resistance is pulled out and away from the body off a single joint (such as, say, leg extension) will eventually yield trouble.
Nonsense. Always the compound movements that fuck shit up.
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Nonsense. Always the compound movements that fuck shit up.
To state such a thing is to expose an extremely modest grasp of weight training.
Done well/correctly, multi-joint moves are much safer.
That injury often happens to folks doing these movements, ones that allow for the greatest amount of resistance to be used, is of little surprise. People approach them like easy-to-do exercises, and not technical athletic performances, as they should.
This, plus the stated allowance for considerable poundage, is why they get a bad rap as dangerous.
I've been consistently squatting, benching, deadlifting, and refining my technique, for over 30 years. Lifting without drugs (which produce superficial, and dangerous, strength gains). I have moved large numbers in all three. Never suffered a serious injury doing any of them.
Now, at 46 and stronger than ever, I experience essentially zero strain anywhere performing them.
My squats are done Olympic style, raw, and extremely deep, too, by the way. Training poundage runs from the fours into the mid-to-high 600s. Percentage cycling. I've done 660 in a meet; 705 in the gym.
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To state such a thing is to expose an extremely modest grasp of weight training.
Done well/correctly, multi-joint moves are much safer.
That injury often happens to folks doing these movements, ones that allow for the greatest amount of resistance to be used, is of little surprise. People approach them like easy-to-do exercises, and not technical athletic performances, as they should.
This, plus the stated allowance for considerable poundage, is why they get a bad rap as dangerous.
I've been consistently squatting, benching, deadlifting, and refining my technique, for over 30 years. Lifting without drugs (which produce superficial, and dangerous, strength gains). I have moved large numbers in all three. Never suffered a serious injury doing any of them.
Now, at 46 and stronger than ever, I experience essentially zero strain anywhere performing them.
My squats are done Olympic style, raw, and extremely deep, too, by the way.
Eh, not me. But I'm only 48.
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I think scaption raises or cable external rotation raise (arm across the body) are a lot safer for the long term
But U have to consider other factors for shoulder health-t spine mobility, adequate internal external capability of shoulders, your ability to set the shoulders back
But you're a real piece of shit so U should keep doing super heavy dumbbell laterals-hope your shoulder rips apart
:D
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I think scaption raises or cable external rotation raise (arm across the body) are a lot safer for the long term
But U have to consider other factors for shoulder health-t spine mobility, adequate internal external capability of shoulders, your ability to set the shoulders back
But you're a real piece of shit so U should keep doing super heavy dumbbell laterals-hope your shoulder rips apart
I give you a bro hug for this (no homo)
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Helpful advice.
Now fuck off.
now that is Helpful advice.. :D
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now that is Helpful advice.. :D
Fuck "off," he said. Not "pets."
How could that possibly help you, Don?
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I wrecked my shoulders doing front dumbbell raises, those and upright rows are awkward
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For years I've done lateral raises like Vince Gironda suggested...like pouring a glass of wine. Well...this way has destroyed my shoulders to no end.
Now I'm hearing that you should do them with palms facing outward...which causes less stress. Little too late for me.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gironda also suggest when doing bp lower the bar to the neck, are you goign to do that as well?
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I wrecked my shoulders doing front dumbbell raises, those and upright rows are awkward
with heavy weight
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the way which doesn't hurt your joint and you are getting good activation and contraction in the target area of course
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wrecking your shoulders from 100kg + behind the neck shoulder press is one thing but wrecking your shoulders from lateral raises ? really?
better not try tricep kickbacks you'll destroy your elbows!
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wrecking your shoulders from 100kg + behind the neck shoulder press is one thing but wrecking your shoulders from lateral raises ? really?
better not try tricep kickbacks you'll destroy your elbows!
posted this before but this explains why the Behind the neck press is so bad...
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I wrecked my shoulders doing front dumbbell raises
I hear this more and more everyday. Already had my biggest scare yet doing front raises with freakin' 25s. Ain't worth it.
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Poor advice. Leading with the elbows promotes "pinching" in the shoulder. With years comes inflammation. These aggravate the living hell out of the joint.
Anything where a resistance is pulled out and away from the body off a single joint (such as, say, leg extension) will eventually yield trouble.
I respect your opinions, but I've never hurt myself doing lateral raises... I have hurt myself doing behind the neck presses. I could never get the delt "capped" look doing presses either. DBs are best for the joint because they allow more freedom of movement. Upright rows totally destroy my shoulders.
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Just go here, and watch his vids.
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=athlean%20x%20shoulders&sm=1 (https://m.youtube.com/results?q=athlean%20x%20shoulders&sm=1)
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I use lower weight now, but am torn between starting with the weights at my side or in front of me to get a longer range of motion. Not sure which way is better.
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I use lower weight now, but am torn between starting with the weights at my side or in front of me to get a longer range of motion. Not sure which way is better.
do them both ways depends on the feel that day ,i tried heavy but after 35's or so the arms just heave and its worthless for me,amazing at branch and other pros swinging 60-90's,if u shoot shit in your delts all the time it dosen't matter i guess in the end...
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Just go here, and watch his vids.
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=athlean%20x%20shoulders&sm=1 (https://m.youtube.com/results?q=athlean%20x%20shoulders&sm=1)
He knows his stuff, but he sounds so nervous all the time.
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My suggestion: Take ~20% (give or take a bit) of your 1RM and hold the dbells out to your sides at the midpoint of the rep. Hold until you reach failure, then drop them to your sides and rest for a few seconds before repeating. Do 4 or 5 reps of this for a few sets. Don't gotta worry about fancy angles or shearing the shit out of your shoulder joints. Time under tension takes care of you muscle recruitment concerns. Has worked very well for me and helped reduce/eliminate shoulder joint irritation that's surfaced after 20 or so years in the gym.
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My suggestion: Take ~20% (give or take a bit) of your 1RM and hold the dbells out to your sides at the midpoint of the rep. Hold until you reach failure, then drop them to your sides and rest for a few seconds before repeating. Do 4 or 5 reps of this for a few sets. Don't gotta worry about fancy angles or shearing the shit out of your shoulder joints. Time under tension takes care of you muscle recruitment concerns. Has worked very well for me and helped reduce/eliminate shoulder joint irritation that's surfaced after 20 or so years in the gym.
might give this a go again. used to do it and didnt notice any more capped delts than usual, but wow does it burn. caps come down to genetics
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Also, bring them to the front at the end. Like you're double-fisting two 10-inch erections. When you raise to the side, keep them slightly out in front of your torso. Again, watch how Cutler does them; it directly works the front/side, but protects the joint.
I've done this when sore and it works.
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Also, bring them to the front at the end. Like you're double-fisting two 10-inch erections. When you raise to the side, keep them slightly out in front of your torso.
I guess this is where the power of visualization comes in handy... (or memory for certain individuals on here ;))
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Arms at the side of your body. Not to the front...
Hold the dumbbell with the back closest to your palms... when you raise them, slight bend in the Elbows, slight twist in your wrist forward so that your pinky knuckles are slightly higher than your pointing finger knuckle.
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Jimmy Pellechia style, with a 150lb dumbbell, sitting on a bench doing one arm at a time, swinging your entire body. Great for oblique development as well. If it bothers your shoulder just use two or three spotters no need for less weight.
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with resistance bands.
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Why do them at all?
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Why do them at all?
im starting to feel like this
Hate doing em
Stupid imo so boring
I'm gonna skip them from now on
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Arms at the side of your body. Not to the front...
Hold the dumbbell with the back closest to your palms... when you raise them, slight bend in the Elbows, slight twist in your wrist forward so that your pinky knuckles are slightly higher than your pointing finger knuckle.
Never benefitted from this 'pitcher pour' stuff. Seemed awkward and unnecessary.
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Arms at the side of your body. Not to the front...
Hold the dumbbell with the back closest to your palms... when you raise them, slight bend in the Elbows, slight twist in your wrist forward so that your pinky knuckles are slightly higher than your pointing finger knuckle.
Bro science. ::)
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Bro science. ::)
Though it's written like a true bro scientist, I believe there's some truth in his words. You're stronger when your hands are above your elbows, simply because the resistance shifts from the lateral to the front head of your shoulders, which is a stronger part of your shoulder. A side raise becomes much more challenging for the lateral part when you perform them with your elbows on top.
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Though it's written like a true bro scientist, I believe there's some truth in his words. You're stronger when your hands are above your elbows, simply because the resistance shifts from the lateral to the front head of your shoulders, which is a stronger part of your shoulder. A side raise becomes much more challenging for the lateral part when you perform them with your elbows on top.
The Side raise is mainly for the "Medial Head" and but gives minor stimulation to the posterior and anterior heads.. but please feel free to post a video demonstration of your side raise :)
shifting stress to the anterior head is defeating the object of the exercise.
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This one ..
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The Side raise is mainly for the "Medial Head" and but gives minor stimulation to the posterior and anterior heads.. but please feel free to post a video demonstration of your side raise :)
shifting stress to the anterior head is defeating the object of the exercise.
You can talk about biomechanics as much as you like, but the inner homo in you still wants to see & meet other male members of this forum...
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You can talk about biomechanics as much as you like, but the inner homo in you still wants to see & meet other male members of this forum...
no wonder you wrote you need a "Personal" trainer... ;)
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no wonder you wrote you need a "Personal" trainer... ;)
Why not post my quotes right away?
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Do it the way Arnold did in his 1980 rebuilt comeback video ...
Just kidding
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
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i DO MINE BEHIND THE BACK...........MUCH BETTER STRETCH AND SHIT!!
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i DO MINE BEHIND THE BACK...........MUCH BETTER STRETCH AND SHIT!!
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I have the Book but found on the web...
https://issuu.com/natuurtherapeut/docs/147693036-unleashing-the-wild-physi/97
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Hahaha. Straight out of Vegas. I knew I liked him for good reason.
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I have the Book but found on the web...
https://issuu.com/natuurtherapeut/docs/147693036-unleashing-the-wild-physi/97
Nobody cares Pedonkyfucker :)
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you should care because unlike you i do not need a "Personal" trainer. you might learn something.
Funny when you, yourself wrote that you work as a "personal" Trainer.. ;D
stick to your Online business.
Again, nobody cares Pedonkyfucker
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Just my view...whatever: The proper way to do lateral raises would to use a Nautilus shoulder/delt machine (original version), with the 3 phase cam. Where the resistance is on the elbows during the raise, where it should be, for better leverage and recruitment of the delt's themselves. . There are copied versions around, some fairly close to the original Nautilus machine, without the patten cam. Can also work well, as long as the resistance is kept on the elbows....the main advantage of such machines.
The DB proper way.....purist BB'ing: The DB lateral raise is an extension movement, where the elbows should always lead the upwards motion, not the DB's themselves. Try keeping the focus on the path of the elbows and not on gripping the DB's (light grip preferred). Start with the DB's against the side of the legs, not in front of the body, and keep the elbows in line with the shoulder/head...even back a bit, if you can. Raising the elbows/DB's much higher that the shoulder girdle can bring the traps into play. Releasing some tension on the delts themselves, though they are still involved.
Might suggest doing one hand/delt at a time, allowing a deeper focus on the lateral raise. Either with a machine (nautilus for example) or a DB. Sitting can be a better option for a lot of guy's, reducing any body English that may be involved.
(with heavier style lateral head/delt workouts, cheating is pretty much the thing. Even running the rack, which can be an ultimate delt destroyer. Pretty intense going up and back down a DB rack to the original pair of 10's you may have started with. One rep, grab the next DB in line, one rep, than to the next heavier DB, etc, etc, etc.. Than back down the rack again. Believe the original concept was for DB overhead preses or DB curls. Another delt style is to start with DB's in front of the body, raise them all the way up and than lowering them behind the body, than raise again and back to in front of the body...that's considered one rep. DB lateral raises, with the arms bent at around a 45 degree angle, is still pretty common also. And as in most versions, the elbows lead)
Good Luck.