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He keeps on spouting college should be free. So explain to me how should someone in college with $50K debt should feel when the freshman class comes in all free? Or someone just graduating with $100K in loans knowing that the new class will get all of it free?
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He keeps on spouting college should be free. So explain to me how should someone in college with $50K debt should feel when the freshman class comes in all free? Or someone just graduating with $100K in loans knowing that the new class will get all of it free?
He said that State level colleges should be free, he didn't all colleges and universities
in your example, we shouldn't give free health care because last year someone paid for so and so procedure. You have to start some place, and there will be a few people that won't be able to maximize it such as in the example you gave.
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We'll just print more money and raise taxes on the middle class a little.
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He said that State level colleges should be free, he didn't all colleges and universities
in your example, we shouldn't give free health care because last year someone paid for so and so procedure. You have to start some place, and there will be a few people that won't be able to maximize it such as in the example you gave.
Let's talk about Health Care. A family has to claim bankruptcy for cancer treatment when a year later it's given out free. That family is going to spend years on a payment plan while others after don't pay shit.
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We'll just print more money and raise taxes on the middle class a little.
Already been done. Didn't work. Surprise.
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Let's talk about Health Care. A family has to claim bankruptcy for cancer treatment when a year later it's given out free. That family is going to spend years on a payment plan while others after don't pay shit.
Well, of course that's bullshit.
But really, should the richest, most powerful nation on earth not be trying to save peoples lives anyway?
Take the money from politics or the war on drugs and use it for cancer? How horrible would that be?
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We'll just print more money and raise taxes on the middle class a little.
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Well, of course that's bullshit.
But really, should the richest, most powerful nation on earth not be trying to save peoples lives anyway?
Take the money from politics or the war on drugs and use it for cancer? How horrible would that be?
I agree but it still stings knowing that others are sucking straight from the nipple when for years before you were getting rammed in the ass.
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He keeps on spouting college should be free. So explain to me how should someone in college with $50K debt should feel when the freshman class comes in all free? Or someone just graduating with $100K in loans knowing that the new class will get all of it free?
I'm still paying loans and I wouldn't care about it being free. I don't think it should be free though.
You will end up with shitty free colleges and $$$ private colleges.
However, a cheap state ran distance learning programs for all citizens would be a great idea. And make the classes more like in India where they focus more on the career you want to do, and remove a lot of the BS easy A courses.
Give everyone the option to get skills and knowledge.
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I'm still paying loans and I wouldn't care about it being free. I don't think it should be free though.
You will end up with shitty free colleges and $$$ private colleges.
However, a cheap state ran distance learning programs for all citizens would be a great idea. And make the classes more like in India where they focus more on the career you want to do, and remove a lot of the BS easy A courses.
Give everyone the option to get skills and knowledge.
I wouldn't argue if they made Trade Job Training free. Train people to be plumbers, electricians, road workers etc... A bunch of college graduates will just mean over qualified people flipping burgers and making coffee.
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Well, of course that's bullshit.
But really, should the richest, most powerful nation on earth not be trying to save peoples lives anyway?
Take the money from politics or the war on drugs and use it for cancer? How horrible would that be?
Drug companies couldn't recoup money spent on R&D or earn profits for investors without some protection.
We should probably have some cap on terminal cases but that conversation won't happen as long as people think healthcare is free.
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He keeps on spouting college should be free. So explain to me how should someone in college with $50K debt should feel when the freshman class comes in all free? Or someone just graduating with $100K in loans knowing that the new class will get all of it free?
All the colleges will have to close for four years duh
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Drug companies couldn't recoup money spent on R&D or earn profits for investors without some protection.
We should probably have some cap on terminal cases but that conversation won't happen as long as people think healthcare is free.
That R&D money comes in forms of grants. Think about the billions raised from charities to find cancer, aids , heart disease and other cures. That money is then divied up to these R&D departments of Universities and Big pharma to find a cure, then they find a cure and make billions off of it.
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That R&D money comes in forms of grants. Think about the billions raised from charities to find cancer, aids , heart disease and other cures. That money is then divied up to these R&D departments of Universities and Big pharma to find a cure, then they find a cure and make billions off of it.
It's not all grants.
There's enough money for everything if rich people will just pay their fair share, right? :)
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It's an investment in the future. The more educated Americans are the better we do as an economy. The less burdened with debt we are, the more chances young college grads have to start new businesses or take risks to innovate.
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It's an investment in the future. The more educated Americans are the better we do as an economy. The less burdened with debt we are, the more chances young college grads have to start new businesses or take risks to innovate.
Unsustainable. As soon as government gets involved, costs go up tremendously.
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It's an investment in the future. The more educated Americans are the better we do as an economy. The less burdened with debt we are, the more chances young college grads have to start new businesses or take risks to innovate.
Yep, because college degrees in philosophy are a great stepping stone at starting new businesses. Maybe instead of wasting money on college the gov can give out free courses on starting your own business, how to apply for gov. grant and loans and not get taxed too heavy so they can survive in the first few years.
All free college will do is saturate a market that doesn't have enough jobs to serve them. So you'll end up having college degree Uber Drivers, Starbucks Baristas and Hookers.
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Already been done. Didn't work. Surprise.
well just need to up the dose..
who needs a middle class anywhoo
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College should NOT be free. There has to be a barrier to entry for all fields otherwise it dilutes the worth of said degree. Look at all the European countries with thousands of unemployed over educated college grads.
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People are so fuckinnng stupid. Who actually believes college will be free?
Even if it will be seriously considered it will be still a slap in the face of most lazy millennialis. There will be gpa retirements and a timeline for graduation most likely. Georgia has free state college for in state residents with minimum gpa and graduation requirements.
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I wouldn't argue if they made Trade Job Training free. Train people to be plumbers, electricians, road workers etc... A bunch of college graduates will just mean over qualified people flipping burgers and making coffee.
You're leaving off technology. I'd hire 5 qualified developers and lead architects next week if I could find them, to support the amount of big projects we have.
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It's an investment in the future. The more educated Americans are the better we do as an economy. The less burdened with debt we are, the more chances young college grads have to start new businesses or take risks to innovate.
This is a fallacy and I've heard Sanders saying the same.
There is a finite numbers of jobs for people with college degrees, also resources are limited.
For instance, if a country has 1 million civil engineers, and some years later that number increases up to 5 million, it doesn't mean the country is building 5 times as much as before.
An oversupply in civil engineers would only lead to lower wages, and a bigger unemployement rate in that field. Of course, as soon as younger people notice it's not a good idea to become one, then supply would lower and wages would go up again.
But Sander's premise is wrong.
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I wouldn't argue if they made Trade Job Training free. Train people to be plumbers, electricians, road workers etc... A bunch of college graduates will just mean over qualified people flipping burgers and making coffee.
Bingo!
Ben Franklin started this back in the late 1700's!
He called it the " Academy" system and you worked as an apprentice while learning your trade.
Ben did this himself I believe in the printing trade.
Hmmmm, I'd say ol' Ben Franklin was a well educated success.
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Education thread! Time for me to dust off the 'ol shoulder chip.
Lets be honest. College in the US is basically 4 more years of high school except with more beer and unshackled vaginas. Both very worthwhile things, although unrelated to any ostensible book larnin aspirations.
I guess these places should continue to exist, what with their hallowed pedigree of being suppositories of knowledge, bacons of illumination, etc. No them apples, but name one piece of information held in reserve by a college that you couldn't have uncovered at the library.
"Peer discussion." That's true. You may have met these peers. You might even be one. "Lab." Which would be technical schooling, with a practical view to employment in that field, as in: vocational learning. Worker training to create an efficient, obedient, process adhering, third party stamped and approved cog on a sesame seed bun. As distinct from actual education, the long forgotten and gone purpose of which is to edify the individual for his own sake, not that of his bank balance, or his employer, or his employer's bank balance. I love seeing advice to 'get an education' so that someone can 'make big money.' It's deliciously vulgar.
I submit that our more astuter degreed members, far more astutied than I, were that way in the first place and took an effort in/improvement out approach to their schooling, which makes them a result of their own efforts, not a product minted by an institution. Others didn't take such an approach but I'm sure they had a good time anyway. So should years 13-16 of high school and lab coat shop class be free? The correct answer is: What the fuck's the difference.
Come on, Special Olympians. Lets see those blue participant ribbons waving.
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College is a scam and a racket. Any college getting any federal funds should be required to offer an objective multiple choice test in any subject that if you pass you get the degree, no questions asked. If some kid, rich or poor or black or white comes in and passes then that is that. Place all the emphasis on actual learning. A huge amount of time in college is spent fiddle farting around because it isn't about learning. It is about lining various pockets.
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Good luck finding a full time job w/ included benefits
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I agree but it still stings knowing that others are sucking straight from the nipple when for years before you were getting rammed in the ass.
totally feel you... But there are many groups "sucking from the nipple" only the poor ones get demonized...
DEA=Government welfare... Bullshit drug war is a justification of their payroll...Thats suckling from the teet
Postwar contractors = Start war... fuck shit up... rebuild it in the image if Murica..using government contracts
Insanely rich tax breaks... well thats pretty self explanatory
Everyone BUT the middle class sucks the government titty but its just classified differently for different groups... but its all from the same money pool..
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College should NOT be free. There has to be a barrier to entry for all fields otherwise it dilutes the worth of said degree. Look at all the European countries with thousands of unemployed over educated college grads.
The US has thousands of unemployed over-educated college grads
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He said that State level colleges should be free, he didn't all colleges and universities
in your example, we shouldn't give free health care because last year someone paid for so and so procedure. You have to start some place, and there will be a few people that won't be able to maximize it such as in the example you gave.
If you score well on standardized test you have more options.
Univeristy of Illinois was very hard to get into (at least for a white male) and i had to score well on the ACT (28 or higher) but the tuition was only $5k per semester (back in 1998)
My dumb friends who bombed the ACT. Were forced to go out-of-state and pay ridiculous tuition.
My point is that you should reward the students who deserve it. If they try hard, get good grades and score well on tests then they should pay much for school. Everyone else should have to either pay full price or do extra work to try and qualify for grants, etc
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Unsustainable. As soon as government gets involved, costs go up tremendously.
(http://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ishyZ4vV8iWU/v1/-1x-1.png)
The government is already involved through loans and grants. That's a given. The government needs to reign in tuition costs.
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Yep, because college degrees in philosophy are a great stepping stone at starting new businesses. Maybe instead of wasting money on college the gov can give out free courses on starting your own business, how to apply for gov. grant and loans and not get taxed too heavy so they can survive in the first few years.
All free college will do is saturate a market that doesn't have enough jobs to serve them. So you'll end up having college degree Uber Drivers, Starbucks Baristas and Hookers.
You're using 1 example of a useless degree as evidence against college?
Wtf.
No, You can't start a business as an architect, doctor, lawyer, dentist, etc. Without a degree. While a degree is not necessary in every field, it helps significantly. If not a 4 year degree then a 2 year degree of trade.
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This is a fallacy and I've heard Sanders saying the same.
There is a finite numbers of jobs for people with college degrees, also resources are limited.
For instance, if a country has 1 million civil engineers, and some years later that number increases up to 5 million, it doesn't mean the country is building 5 times as much as before.
An oversupply in civil engineers would only lead to lower wages, and a bigger unemployement rate in that field. Of course, as soon as younger people notice it's not a good idea to become one, then supply would lower and wages would go up again.
But Sander's premise is wrong.
Sorry, your logic fails. If colleges kept students up to date on trends ot wouldn't be a problem. For instance, if we have 5x as many engineers as we need then engineer pay goes down and then prospective engineers see this and pick another major. However, currently, colleges benefit from deceiving students into going into bad programs
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Sorry, your logic fails. If colleges kept students up to date on trends ot wouldn't be a problem. For instance, if we have 5x as many engineers as we need then engineer pay goes down and then prospective engineers see this and pick another major. However, currently, colleges benefit from deceiving students into going into bad programs
I will agree with you here!
My fiancé is on path to becoming an Occupational Therapist, and her advisor convinced (more like "forced") her to major in kinesiology. That is fine and all, but she could have gotten all of the prerequisite course material in any of the science majors (like BIO, CHEM, PHYS, Etc.).
If she does not get accepted into her OT program after graduation, there are not many jobs that a bachelor's in Kinesiology can obtain on its own (compared to a BA in Bio, Chem, Physics, etc.).
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Sorry, your logic fails. If colleges kept students up to date on trends ot wouldn't be a problem. For instance, if we have 5x as many engineers as we need then engineer pay goes down and then prospective engineers see this and pick another major. However, currently, colleges benefit from deceiving students into going into bad programs
Lol wtf?
That's exactly what I said about wages going down and up again. How are you refuting my argument repeating the same argument? ???
Again, there's a limited number of jobs and resources. An oversupply in professionals doesn't equal more development.
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totally feel you... But there are many groups "sucking from the nipple" only the poor ones get demonized...
DEA=Government welfare... Bullshit drug war is a justification of their payroll...Thats suckling from the teet
Postwar contractors = Start war... fuck shit up... rebuild it in the image if Murica..using government contracts
Insanely rich tax breaks... well thats pretty self explanatory
Everyone BUT the middle class sucks the government titty but its just classified differently for different groups... but its all from the same money pool..
Good post!
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The US has thousands of unemployed over-educated college grads
Yup, and most are engineers ;D
But seriously, A good college will help you find a job or internship.
A lot of college graduates don't want to work for it, experience is very important.
They think a degree is the end all be all, it isn't, it is just the beginning.
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college for knowledge?
or internet for knowledge
same results you can teach yourself everything by books and internet at a low cost
its true if college is free youll saturate some jobs others will be glad to have more people
can you imagine all the fuckhead low class kids disrupting college lectures. it will be a massive problem gang activity on campus ect the minorities will help clusterfuck it for all......college will never be free low class kids dont belong in college or highschool one bad apple can ruin it for 30
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college for knowledge?
or internet for knowledge
same results you can teach yourself everything by books and internet at a low cost
its true if college is free youll saturate some jobs others will be glad to have more people
can you imagine all the fuckhead low class kids disrupting college lectures. it will be a massive problem gang activity on campus ect the minorities will help clusterfuck it for all......college will never be free low class kids dont belong in college or highschool one bad apple can ruin it for 30
The material at a college has undergone some peer process and is delivered in an organized manner. Also, they're supposedly teaching people to understand information.
The internet has blurred the line between information and knowledge. It's easier for people to feel validated about being ignorant or reinforce any crazy notion (i.e., Reptilians, Original Hebrews, Aliens, Egyptian gene splicing, etc...) because there are a ton of other dumbfucks believing the same stupid shit.
Even if someone's educated, a great deal of information is of limited value if they may not have the foundation to understanding or its application. That simple fact doesn't stop people with a lot of formal education from believing they have a valid opinion on every topic or overestimating their capabilities in other areas. :)