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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fallsview on June 01, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
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1) Operated a hippy camp in Palm Springs.
2. Arrogant (Most smart people are...I try not to be, but I have one hell of a problem thinking he was smart)
3. Brutal 17 inch arms (listed as 18 but that is a lie)
4) Tries to pass himself off as a health nut, granola type of guy but still takes steroids.
5. Swimmers build
6. Did not deserve to win the Olympia.
7. Was given the gift of winning the Olympia to further promote his business (Zane Haven) and buy advertisement in Muscle Builder plus garner more interest in bodybuilding with his good looks. Weider believed that Zane would bring the hippies and women into the bodybuilding world. And he was right.
8. Still loves his wife.
9. People talk about how proportionate he was well when you weigh 170 pounds...who cares.
10. He looks good for his age. Well dummies, if you take care of yourself, stay skinny that shouldn't be a problem. Over eating, being large equals very tough and hard on the body and its systems. Zane was never large and never big, if he didn't take steroids he'd probably never break 150 pounds.
11. The People that are in love with him are the people with piss poor genetics that believe his physique is attainable. Also the Uncle Rico's want to travel back to the past because they believe it was a better time, therefore are madly in love with Zane.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It must really hurt to have no one in your life except the mirror.
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bite a dick again
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Fallsview is definitely, 100% certain, a Howard gimmick.
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Beanpole
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Also the Uncle Rico's want to travel
If you're going to make getbig great again, you'll need to do it with correct punctuation.
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12. long waisted
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I met him once
He's a real piece of shit
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I've never met Zane, but I've always wanted a leg blaster. Over pricing of peace.
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Frank Zane tore his urethra in a freak accident, and still managed to take 3rd in the Olympia that year.
Powerful man, powerful dingus.
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I met him once
He's a real piece of shit
I've seen him several times. Never felt inclined to walk over and say hello.
One year, at the Arnold Expo, he was sitting at his "booth" (basically a chair and cardboard backdrop) playing, like, a gazoo, or some shit. Total clown.
I was told that at some point that weekend Arnold strolled past him during one if his infamous walks and ol' beanpole launched into an ode to The Oak.
I am not joking.
Arnie smiled awkwardly and headed for the hills.
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1) Operated a hippy camp in Palm Springs.
2. Arrogant (Most smart people are...I try not to be, but I have one hell of a problem thinking he was smart)
3. Brutal 17 inch arms (listed as 18 but that is a lie)
4) Tries to pass himself off as a health nut, granola type of guy but still takes steroids.
5. Swimmers build
6. Did not deserve to win the Olympia...many others were way better, example Serge!
7. Was given the gift of winning the Olympia to further promote his business (Zane Haven) and buy advertisement in Muscle Builder plus garner more interest in bodybuilding with his good looks. Weider believed that Zane would bring the hippies and women into the bodybuilding world. And he was right.
8. Still loves his wife.
9. People talk about how proportionate he was well when you weigh 170 pounds...who cares.
10. He looks good for his age. Well dummies, if you take care of yourself, stay skinny that shouldn't be a problem. Over eating, being large equals very tough and hard of the body and its systems. Zane was never large and never big, if he didn't take steroids he'd probably never break 150 pounds.
11. The People that are in love with him are the people with piss poor genetics that believe his physique is attainable. Also the Uncle Rico's want to travel back to the past because they believe it was a better time, therefore are madly in love with Zane.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
which of the '77, '78 , or '79 olympias did serge compete in?
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I met him once
He's a real piece of shit
Details please...? :)
Frank Zane tore his urethra in a freak accident, and still managed to take 3rd in the Olympia that year.
Powerful man, powerful dingus.
I know someone who tore his 'banjo string' by going in much too dry - but how the f@#k do you tear a urethra?? Insert a roughly-hewn chopstick or something?
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which of the '77, '78 , or '79 olympias did serge compete in?
"The Sarge" Tony Emmott. Who'd you think I was talking about dummy?
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I know someone who tore his 'banjo string' by going in much too dry - but how the f@#k do you tear a urethra?? Insert a roughly-hewn chopstick or something?
For years, the gym stories were that he was on a beach chair that broke and crushed his pecker between the chair frame and the ground. Later this was his official version -
“I sat in this lightweight chair by the pool and as I did it slid on the wet Astroturf by the side and I fell onto the lip of the pool which hit me right between the legs and smashed my bulbous urethra. Blood was gushing from my penis. I was rushed to hospital and was in for four days with a catheter attachment … it was horrible.”
That seems hard to figure, as you always think of the penile urethra, but the bolbus ureathra is in a slightly different postion than you'd normally think -
(http://www.phoenix5.org/glossary/graphics/bulbar_urethra.gif).
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Zane didn't impregnate a Mildred. Zane wins.
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Why do you have a problem with him still loving his wife?
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"The Sarge" Tony Emmott. Who'd you think I was talking about dummy?
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what's your problem? you clearly said serge, and I was asking a serious question. and show me where tony emmott is referred to as sarge. not sure why mr. positive needs to act like a prick
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For years, the gym stories were that he was on a beach chair that broke and crushed his pecker between the chair frame and the ground. Later this was his official version -
“I sat in this lightweight chair by the pool and as I did it slid on the wet Astroturf by the side and I fell onto the lip of the pool which hit me right between the legs and smashed my bulbous urethra. Blood was gushing from my penis. I was rushed to hospital and was in for four days with a catheter attachment … it was horrible.”
That seems hard to figure, as you always think of the penile urethra, but the bolbus ureathra is in a slightly different postion than you'd normally think -
(http://www.phoenix5.org/glossary/graphics/bulbar_urethra.gif).
Oooh! Right, I get it now thanks :) FWIW I once smashed my bulbous urethra (formerly considered the 'under-penis') on the cross-bar of a bicycle under vigorous braking - made me projectile vomit... :-X :'(
I have literally no idea why I've stated that here, sorry...
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(http://www.phoenix5.org/glossary/graphics/bulbar_urethra.gif).
There's also a Rich Piana 'd1ck hanging lower than the balls' joke here somewhere with this diagram if I could be bothered... ;)
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Details please...? :)
I know someone who tore his 'banjo string' by going in much too dry - but how the f@#k do you tear a urethra?? Insert a roughly-hewn chopstick or something?
he was very arrogant and acted like he was hot shit
I met Sergio Olivia the same day and Sergio was very friendly
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ZANE IS THE BOMB!!!!!!drops mic and leaves room
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"The Sarge" Tony Emmott. Who'd you think I was talking about dummy?
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why are you insulting Hazbin? He is literally the most polite member on here and never says a bad thing about anyone.
You said Serge BTW
6. Did not deserve to win the Olympia...many others were way better, example Serge!
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MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Operated a hippy camp in Palm Springs.
2. Arrogant (Most smart people are...I try not to be, but I have one hell of a problem thinking he was smart)
3. Brutal 17 inch arms (listed as 18 but that is a lie)
4) Tries to pass himself off as a health nut, granola type of guy but still takes steroids.
5. Swimmers build
6. Did not deserve to win the Olympia...many others were way better, example Serge!
Serge who?
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what's your problem? you clearly said serge, and I was asking a serious question. and show me where tony emmott is referred to as sarge. not sure why mr. positive needs to act like a prick
Whats my problem? First off who the hell are you to ask me questions? You're trying to be a real dick by fishing into something you know nothing about. Yes, you're fishing to set me up because you're not a nice person but really a steroid using douche bag. Tony Emmott's nickname at his gym when training for the 1977 Mr. Universe was Sarge.
Maybe instead of trying to "catch"people on a bodybuilding board, maybe you should take care of you're family, you're dogs barking, go feed him.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Frank Zane would not approve of all this bickering and fighting. Much like asking yourself What Would Jesus Do, you should ask yourself What Would Frank Zane Do. It's how I live my life.
WWFZD
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Will somebody please can this obvious unfunny sad assed lame gimmick? :(
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why are you insulting Hazbin? He is literally the most polite member on here and never says a bad thing about anyone.
You said Serge BTW
it's ok, I know what is going on and it has nothing to do with this thread. I also know that someone with integrity that will not lie cannot win an internet argument so I will stand down.
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Zane was cool the few times I've talked with him, all, well almost all these guys are human, catch them on a good/bad day and you'll get different reactions.
I've worked with Arnold 3 times, first 2 he was a dick, third time he was great, even lit my cigar for me after a shoot, no homo.
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why are you insulting Hazbin? He is literally the most polite member on here and never says a bad thing about anyone.
You said Serge BTW
You just gave your gimmick away Joshie....
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and yet he is being talked about to this day...
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(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/be73d083c2d58fe28092ec7e3199f55c29f3d2473ccff4872b03e288f59cd4fd_1.jpg)
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How many schmoes was this guy taking on to need medical treatment for his junk?
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You just gave your gimmick away Joshie....
I guess you have me there....
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I guess you have me there....
Fuck off Shitbag.....
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Met him many times, he lives here in San Diego. Still looks good and the guy is 73.
The original poster and his "make get big great again" is cool, really cool... "love it, kill it"
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I've met Frank several times and he was always cool to me. Doesn't seem like an asshole to me. Far from it.
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I've only met Zane once at his home and he was as nice and normal as anyone in the world. Outside this place. ;D
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Fallsview is definitely, 100% certain, a Howard gimmick.
Really? Hmmm, news to me?
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Fuck off Shitbag.....
Need I remind you....and I have also certified as not Josh via the mods who have access to IP's
Shitbag...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=606675.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=606675.0)
I am the one in the yellow shirt
(http://s11.postimg.org/75ztzffkj/segsgse_2011.jpg)
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I met Frank (his friends call him Frankie) and he was phenomenal. Invited me to see the latest avenger movie. It was a blast. Later we had s'mores over a campfire.
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Need I remind you....and I have also certified as not Josh via the mods who have access to IP's
Shitbag...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=606675.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=606675.0)
I am the one in the yellow shirt
(http://s11.postimg.org/75ztzffkj/segsgse_2011.jpg)
Bullshit....
Eat a bag of dicks fuckface.
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Hey Walt, You're a loser. Big time loser. Stop PMing me about B.S. Stop PMing Mods about me. I've taken up enough real estate in your brain. If you put your brain in a bird it would fly backwards.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Bullshit....
Eat a bag of dicks fuckface.
glad to know I own space in your head ChopperRiderrrr...I mean Wally
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I met Frank (his friends call him Frankie) and he was phenomenal. Invited me to see the latest avenger movie. It was a blast. Later we had s'mores over a campfire.
Yeah, I've rolled with Big-F (which is what his truly close friends call him) many times. One time, he invited me along on an Ayahuasca Ceremony, where beneath the steaming Amazon canopy, our souls bonded on a plane beyond the physical, and together we stared into the face of the truth and cried tears of the purest joy... nice fella...
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Met Zane a couple of times..... always came away thinking he was arrogant and not as smart as his reputation suggests. In fact I always thought he was of average intelligence.
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He strikes me as the kind of person who brings up Jung and uses the word "archetype" to make other people think he is smart.
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He strikes me as the kind of person who brings up Jung and uses the word "archetype" to make other people think he is smart.
I only spoke with him for maybe 5 or 10 minutes. Jung never came up and neither do I recall the word "archetype" being used. I don't worry about such things and perhaps neither should you. ;D
This isn't to say he's perfect but then none of us are either.
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glad to know I own space in your head ChopperRiderrrr...I mean Wally
Isn't it about time you had a crying video meltdown and ran back to your suckass board?
Too much of a crybaby to fly, enjoy the bus Dicklicker
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I've seen him several times. Never felt inclined to walk over and say hello.
One year, at the Arnold Expo, he was sitting at his "booth" (basically a chair and cardboard backdrop) playing, like, a gazoo, or some shit. Total clown.
I was told that at some point that weekend Arnold strolled past him during one if his infamous walks and ol' beanpole launched into an ode to The Oak.
I am not joking.
Arnie smiled awkwardly and headed for the hills.
I met Frank Zane at the original Gold's gym many years ago.. I was a star struck fifteen year old aspiring bodybuilder and remember engaging in conversation with Frank as he was doing a set of standing calf raises..
He was very gracious and friendly as he changed the subject from bodybuilding to offer me some sincere advice.. He spontaneously encouraged me to stay in school because that was the most important thing .. What a great person he was to be a positive influence to a young person like that ..
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Frank Zane is 77 years old today and guess what?
Still looks like he did in 1977. Shriveled up, prune like and still 105 pounds.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I met Frank Zane at the original Gold's gym many years ago.. I was a star struck fifteen year old aspiring bodybuilder and remember engaging in conversation with Frank as he was doing a set of standing calf raises..
He was very gracious and friendly as he changed the subject from bodybuilding to offer me some sincere advice.. He spontaneously encouraged me to stay in school because that was the most important thing .. What a great person he was to be a positive influence to a young person like that ..
Attended his seminar in the late 70's and had a similar experience. Basile tells a story where Frank said he did not respond to email from people he does not know . . . I email him once a year ( could be Christmas, his or Christine's birthday ) and he never fails to thank me for my kind word and gesture.
J
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I don’t remember this thread but page 1 was a real knee-slapper
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Least positive thread from Fallsview on Getbig. Frank must've insulted him at some point in life.
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frank once insulted me.
not in words, but by playing the ukulele.
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frank once insulted me.
not in words, but by playing the ukulele.
Heavily into Pink Floyd and Grace Vanderwal
J
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Attended his seminar in the late 70's and had a similar experience. Basile tells a story where Frank said he did not respond to email from people he does not know . . . I email him once a year ( could be Christmas, his or Christine's birthday ) and he never fails to thank me for my kind word and gesture.
J
You email a bodybuilder on his birthday because you attended a seminar of his forty years ago??
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You email a bodybuilder on his birthday because you attended a seminar of his forty years ago??
Followed his career, read his books, I respect him and I’m a fan. Wow, what a fucken weirdo I am.
J
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If Frank isn't all that smart, as some here suggest, doesn't trying to fake intelligence make him clever... and thus intelligent?
Contemplate this on the "Tree of Woe" like this fool.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1ifp5w.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/51etx.jpg)
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I've never met Zane, but I've always wanted a leg blaster. Over pricing of peace.
He didn't invent the leg blaster. He bought the rights from a guy named Moore who built it and sold it in Ironman magazine. It really shows a lack of character that Zane never came clean and stated he didn't invent the thing.
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He didn't invent the leg blaster. He bought the rights from a guy named Moore who built it and sold it in Ironman magazine. It really shows a lack of character that Zane never came clean and stated he didn't invent the thing.
Years ago I read in M&F he said he bought it from Moore and modified the design.
J
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He didn't invent the leg blaster. He bought the rights from a guy named Moore who built it and sold it in Ironman magazine. It really shows a lack of character that Zane never came clean and stated he didn't invent the thing.
Thank you. Frank was too busy playing a flute.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you. Frank was too busy playing a flute.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well that's kinda a common ground . . . oldtimer1 plays the flesh flute.
J
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Well that's kinda a common ground . . . oldtimer1 plays the flesh flute.
J
I don't know what kind of flute it was in fact it was almost like a Kazoo. But anywho, I think Frank Zane is overrated. He tried to take advantage of many people along the way but who could think that of hippie Frank...for God's sake he's in touch with nature. Built his physique on nuts and barley. Picked dandelions and made an elixir from it to stop the common cold. Floated his troubles away in his flotation tanks and listened to the birds chirp while sitting legs crossed apple sauce.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Operated a hippy camp in Palm Springs.
2. Arrogant (Most smart people are...I try not to be, but I have one hell of a problem thinking he was smart)
3. Brutal 17 inch arms (listed as 18 but that is a lie)
4) Tries to pass himself off as a health nut, granola type of guy but still takes steroids.
5. Swimmers build
6. Did not deserve to win the Olympia.
7. Was given the gift of winning the Olympia to further promote his business (Zane Haven) and buy advertisement in Muscle Builder plus garner more interest in bodybuilding with his good looks. Weider believed that Zane would bring the hippies and women into the bodybuilding world. And he was right.
8. Still loves his wife.
9. People talk about how proportionate he was well when you weigh 170 pounds...who cares.
10. He looks good for his age. Well dummies, if you take care of yourself, stay skinny that shouldn't be a problem. Over eating, being large equals very tough and hard on the body and its systems. Zane was never large and never big, if he didn't take steroids he'd probably never break 150 pounds.
11. The People that are in love with him are the people with piss poor genetics that believe his physique is attainable. Also the Uncle Rico's want to travel back to the past because they believe it was a better time, therefore are madly in love with Zane.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a feeling you’re not as intelligent as you think you are.
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are you suggesting that frank inzane would be a better name?
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I don't know what kind of flute it was in fact it was almost like a Kazoo. But anywho, I think Frank Zane is overrated. He tried to take advantage of many people along the way but who could think that of hippie Frank...for God's sake he's in touch with nature. Built his physique on nuts and barley. Picked dandelions and made an elixir from it to stop the common cold. Floated his troubles away in his flotation tanks and listened to the birds chirp while sitting legs crossed apple sauce.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was a fella at my gym who was a manlet with piss poor bodybuilding genetics, and he would actually do phone consultations with Zane! He even thought he was natty. The naivety of this guy was beyond pathetic.
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There was a fella at my gym who was a manlet with piss poor bodybuilding genetics, and he would actually do phone consultations with Zane! He even thought he was natty. The naivety of this guy was beyond pathetic.
Lol. Zane used to do seminars and claim all natural. Used to say "come to Zane Haven and I'll be able to help you transform your body". So, Zane was actually doing what the supplement companies do. Giving you false hope. The only thing Zane Haven did for anyone is...
a great Palm Springs Tan.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lol. Zane used to do seminars and claim all natural. Used to say "come to Zane Haven and I'll be able to help you transform your body". So, Zane was actually doing what the supplement companies do. Giving you false hope. The only thing Zane Haven did for anyone is...
a great Palm Springs Tan.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must have been prior to 79 because he told the participants of the seminar I attended that he was using deca and dbol and it was 8 - 10 weeks from The Olympia.
J
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Must have been prior to 79 because he told the participants of the seminar I attended that he was using deca and dbol and it was 8 - 10 weeks from The Olympia.
J
Seriously? I didn't know that. I'm surprised because the people that went to Zane Haven he didn't mention one ounce of drugs only nutrition. So he must have kept that separate. I'll never forget seeing floatation tanks, first time ever. He really pushed the meditation thing along with getting in touch with the body and earth. His wife was beautiful and I always wondered if she knew that he was on steroids and not just granola.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lol. Zane used to do seminars and claim all natural. Used to say "come to Zane Haven and I'll be able to help you transform your body". So, Zane was actually doing what the supplement companies do. Giving you false hope. The only thing Zane Haven did for anyone is...
a great Palm Springs Tan.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!
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Frank Zane is 77 years old today and guess what?
Still looks like he did in 1977. Shriveled up, prune like and still 105 pounds.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Achieved Much more than You Likely Ever Did
As This is A Bodybuilding Board He Won 3 Olympia’s - With His Shrivelled Physique
How Many Have You Won ??
And He’s Not On Here Slagging An Anonymous You Off.
Jeez you’re Pathetic & Post Some absolute Drivel
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Frank Zane is 77 years old today and guess what?
Still looks like he did in 1977. Shriveled up, prune like and still 105 pounds.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How's your Mr. Montreal training going?
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Achieved Much more than You Likely Ever Did
As This is A Bodybuilding Board He Won 3 Olympia’s - With His Shrivelled Physique
How Many Have You Won ??
And He’s Not On Here Slagging An Anonymous You Off.
Jeez you’re Pathetic & Post Some absolute Drivel
A drugie coming to the aid of another drugie. How original. We need to clean you up and get rid of your Austin Powers teeth.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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frank once insulted me.
not in words, but by playing the ukulele.
That was Anabolichalo not Mr.Zane !?.
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A drugie coming to the aid of another drugie. How original. We need to clean you up and get rid of your Austin Powers teeth.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And your Teeth are Perfect are they Twatling
And your Not a Druggie - You Don’t use any Type Of Drugs
Ohh No Of Course Not......... ::) ::)
Fuck Off Already !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And your Teeth are Perfect are they Twatling
And your Not a Druggie - You Don’t use any Type Of Drugs
Ohh No Of Course Not......... ::) ::)
Fuck Off Already !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 exclamation marks
now thats a meltdown! way to go dude
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And your Teeth are Perfect are they Twatling
And your Not a Druggie - You Don’t use any Type Of Drugs
Ohh No Of Course Not......... ::) ::)
Fuck Off Already !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very negative, nasty, malcontent that breeds/spawns hatred. There is no space for you here. Be gone.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zane never had any kids did he?
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Very negative, nasty, malcontent that breeds/spawns hatred. There is no space for you here. Be gone.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Complain to Ron
Or Send Me Some More Threatning PM’s ::) ::)
You Totally Pathetic Thing
Fuck Off Already.
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Zane never had any kids did he?
How could he not impregnate his hot wife? Shooting blanks or gay?
(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/frank-zane-114.jpg)
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The Zane’s felt that their pursuits were highly individualistic and consuming so because of this they decided they could not fours of parenting. They also said they did not want to have kids just to see what they’d look like.
J
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Must have been prior to 79 because he told the participants of the seminar I attended that he was using deca and dbol and it was 8 - 10 weeks from The Olympia.
J
Any talk of dosages? Any other training/nutrition "pearls" that you remember from the seminar?
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The Zane’s felt that their pursuits were highly individualistic and consuming so because of this they decided they could not fours of parenting. They also said they did not want to have kids just to see what they’d look like.
J
Relationships without intention to have a family someday are pointless.
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Relationships without intention to have a family someday are pointless.
That's not true, there are several legal and financial advantages to being married.
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Life is great with a true mate and no kids, the best
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Life is great with a true mate and no kids, the best
Who take care you in the future with no kids? ???
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Who take care you in the future with no kids? ???
The schmoes of Zane Haven of course