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http://www.youngcons.com/former-johns-hopkins-chief-of-psychiatry-says-trans-movement-is-collaborating-with-madness/
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"disorder" ::)
I look at it and think wtf? that is a very disturbed individual. That is my opinion.
Its an individual though, so disorder to who?
But then again we have "body dysmorphia", yet happiest when playing out that disorder...
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"disorder" ::)
I look at it and think wtf? that is a very disturbed individual. Its an individual though, so disorder to who?
But then again we have "body dysmorphia", yet happiest when playing out that disorder...
Nobody that lifts is asking for special laws.
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yeah but if a dime trans wants to suck your dick are you going to deny (he)r?
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Trump thinks people should be able to to the bathroom where they want.
Stop disagreeing with your party's nominee. You can't have it both ways - if you support him, you support his rubbish liberal policies.
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I totally agree with his assessment. Is it an wonder that these people are still highly suicidal even after their surgeries? They have the highest suicide rates in the world post op. Its because there is something wrong with the mind that the surgery doesn't cure that they thought it would.
Great video on the subject of mental illness and transgender operations.
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One guys opinion is all you need. :)
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I totally agree with his assessment. Is it an wonder that these people are still highly suicidal even after their surgeries? They have the highest suicide rates in the world post op. Its because there is something wrong with the mind that the surgery doesn't cure that they thought it would.
Great video on the subject of mental illness and transgender operations.
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Trump thinks people should be able to to the bathroom where they want.
Stop disagreeing with your party's nominee. You can't have it both ways - if you support him, you support his rubbish liberal policies.
conservative thought is so odd to me. one minute they scream about their amemdments and converge on federal peoperty in oregon or whatever, with loaded weapons and shit saying "dont tread on me" anthems. they hate laws telling businesses how to run or tell them to clean up their pollution byproducts. they want libertarian esq laws surrounding everything imagineable, hands off govt, "live free or die", etc....
then they get all upset when someone wants to use a ladies room after their cock got cut off, or want to marry a man or woman of the same sex. Its such a low importance issue, but its a hot button and easy topic for any christian conservative douche like coach or other walmart shopping biblebelt trolls to get upset over. a private company should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bathrooms (isnt that "conservative" principle 101?). a real conservative should applaud a target or other private store, eventhough they may personally think being transgender is silly. you cant have it both ways and this is what new age bible conservatives want
a true conservative should be all for gender reassignment, according to their own principles. too bad christianity has infiltrated the party with its twisted view and caused a massive hypocritical imbalance.
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i wanna piss on girls
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i wanna piss on girls
x2.5
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conservative thought is so odd to me. one minute they scream about their amemdments and converge on federal peoperty in oregon or whatever, with loaded weapons and shit saying "dont tread on me" anthems. they hate laws telling businesses how to run or tell them to clean up their pollution byproducts. they want libertarian esq laws surrounding everything imagineable, hands off govt, "live free or die", etc....
then they get all upset when someone wants to use a ladies room after their cock got cut off, or want to marry a man or woman of the same sex. Its such a low importance issue, but its a hot button and easy topic for any christian conservative douche like coach or other walmart shopping biblebelt trolls to get upset over. a private company should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bathrooms (isnt that "conservative" principle 101?). a real conservative should applaud a target or other private store, eventhough they may personally think being transgender is silly. you cant have it both ways and this is what new age bible conservatives want
a true conservative should be all for gender reassignment, according to their own principles. too bad christianity has infiltrated the party with its twisted view and caused a massive hypocritical imbalance.
It's easy to yell "States rights!" when they want to allow open carry in TX or public shakedowns in AZ. On the other hand, when a super liberal state wants to initiate some silly bathroom business, suddenly they want to have the uS govt step in and tell the states what to do.
Politics & the parties are so screwed. Most Repubs are having a hard time getting behind trump. He's going out of his way to alienate people and lose votes. I think it's intentional, but that's just me.
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conservative thought is so odd to me. one minute they scream about their amemdments and converge on federal peoperty in oregon or whatever, with loaded weapons and shit saying "dont tread on me" anthems. they hate laws telling businesses how to run or tell them to clean up their pollution byproducts. they want libertarian esq laws surrounding everything imagineable, hands off govt, "live free or die", etc....
then they get all upset when someone wants to use a ladies room after their cock got cut off, or want to marry a man or woman of the same sex. Its such a low importance issue, but its a hot button and easy topic for any christian conservative douche like coach or other walmart shopping biblebelt trolls to get upset over. a private company should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bathrooms (isnt that "conservative" principle 101?). a real conservative should applaud a target or other private store, eventhough they may personally think being transgender is silly. you cant have it both ways and this is what new age bible conservatives want
a true conservative should be all for gender reassignment, according to their own principles. too bad christianity has infiltrated the party with its twisted view and caused a massive hypocritical imbalance.
You're ignoring the extent to which reproductive rights and/or redefining marriage oppose right-winger principles of controlling women.
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It is 100% a mental illness when a man wants to have surgery to be a woman. There is absolutely nothing normal about it. It is a mental illness that the gov has caved into.
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It is 100% a mental illness when a man wants to have surgery to be a woman. There is absolutely nothing normal about it. It is a mental illness that the gov has caved into.
I've said that for many years here. I've also said that being a homosexual is in the same category. They're all mental illnesses. Hell, up until the 70s in the DSM, homosexuality was classified as a mental illness until it was taken out for political reasons.
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Let the transgenders be who they want to be.
But leave children out of it. They are now making children question their sexuality at kindergarden and schools, they are giving children in schools question sheets about which gender do they identify the best with.
In norway they already have "special" kindergarden where noone can be referred to as "he" or "she" because gender doesn't exist.
Look at this shit
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If you're going 5o let some mentally ill people "be", you need to let ALL mentally ill people be.
Either try to fix them all or don't fix any of them.
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If you're going 5o let some mentally ill people "be", you need to let ALL mentally ill people be.
Either try to fix them all or don't fix any of them.
Fine try to fix them all then. But the system shoudn't try to force kids to think they are gay or lesbian, or try to make little girls and boys question their sexual identity. That's all. Kids aren't mentally ill, they are innocent and should be left alone. But obviously this sick godless system wants them from the parents so that the next generation will be completely moral free and perverted monsters.
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Fine try to fix them all then. But the system shoudn't try to force kids to think they are gay or lesbian, or try to make little girls and boys question their sexual identity. That's all. Kids aren't mentally ill, they are innocent and should be left alone. But obviously this sick godless system wants them from the parents so that the next generation will be completely moral free and perverted monsters.
TRUTH
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Psychiatry? Really? They're the biggest quacks in "health care". Their entire business is based upon prescribing mind altering drugs. That's it. The only solutions they have is more pills. They're the biggest pushers out there. Time is better spent sourcing psychologist . And no I'm not a tranny! :)
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Psychiatry? Really? They're the biggest quacks in "health care". Their entire business is based upon prescribing mind altering drugs. That's it. The only solutions they have is more pills. They're the biggest pushers out there. Time is better spent sourcing psychologist . And no I'm not a tranny! :)
In all that you're correct but the fact still remains that it's mental illness.
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One guys opinion is all you need. :)
You got it.
One is all you need and then you can ignore all the other doctors who disagree along with the medical studies that contradict his claims
Meet The Doctor Social Conservatives Depend On To Justify Anti-Transgender Hate
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/10/3668041/paul-mchugh-transgender/
He seems to have a problem with gay people too:
http://www.glaad.org/cap/paul-mchugh
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You got it.
One is all you need and then you can ignore all the other doctors who disagree along with the medical studies that contradict his claims
Meet The Doctor Social Conservatives Depend On To Justify Anti-Transgender Hate
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/10/3668041/paul-mchugh-transgender/
He seems to have a problem with gay people too:
http://www.glaad.org/cap/paul-mchugh
So its completely normal behavior to want to chop your cock off, grow tits and become something you weren't physically to begin with? Theres absolutly no mental illness regarding that? How about people who think they should have been born a zebra and tattoo strips all over their bodies, walk around on all fours all day and sew a hairy mane down their backs? Do we just shrug and say, yeah that's completely normal too? Explain the difference if you disagree. Do you make the same exception for people who think its normal to sleep with children? Why not? In their minds its completly normal.
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So its completely normal behavior to want to chop your cock off, grow tits and become something you weren't physically to begin with? Theres absolutly no mental illness regarding that? How about people who think they should have been born a zebra and tattoo strips all over their bodies, walk around on all fours all day and sew a hairy mane down their backs? Do we just shrug and say, yeah that's completely normal too? Explain the difference if you disagree. Do you make the same exception for people who think its normal to sleep with children? Why not? In their minds its completly normal.
Most transgenders do not have surgery and don't want surgery. In Thailand at least, maybe only 50% take hormones anyway.
It also depends on culture, in Thailand and other Asian countries they've always had ladyboys or those of the 'third gender' for thousands of years.
Buddhist religion believes in reincarnation, so they believe it is possible for a female soul to be in male body.
The difference with your example, is that they are not hurting anyone else. The only one's usually offended are homophobic types.
If no one is getting hurt, who cares how others want to live their life.
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You got it.
One is all you need and then you can ignore all the other doctors who disagree along with the medical studies that contradict his claims
Meet The Doctor Social Conservatives Depend On To Justify Anti-Transgender Hate
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/10/3668041/paul-mchugh-transgender/
He seems to have a problem with gay people too:
http://www.glaad.org/cap/paul-mchugh
It is kind of cute how they pick and choose which scientific opinions are valid.
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Most transgenders do not have surgery and don't want surgery. In Thailand at least, maybe only 50% take hormones anyway.
It also depends on culture, in Thailand and other Asian countries they've always had ladyboys or those of the 'third gender' for thousands of years.
Buddhist religion believes in reincarnation, so they believe it is possible for a female soul to be in male body.
The difference with your example, is that they are not hurting anyone else. The only one's usually offended are homophobic types.
If no one is getting hurt, who cares how others want to live their life?
The question is whether its a mental illness or not. The question wasnt is this hurting anyone.
So with my example of the person that believes they should have been born a zebra and go through procedures to look like one and act like one, Im asking is this a mental illness? If you think it is, how is it any different then the person that wants to change their sex?
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The question is whether its a mental illness or not. The question wasnt is this hurting anyone.
So with my example of the person that believes they should have been born a zebra and go through procedures to look like one and act like one, Im asking is this a mental illness? If you think it is, how is it any different then the person that wants to change their sex?
I do not believe it is a 'mental disease'.
Western society is obsessed with classifying and categorizing everything, where almost everything is a potential mental disease.
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I do not believe it is a 'mental disease'.
Western society is obsessed with classifying and categorizing everything, where almost everything is a potential mental disease.
If there's no proof it's genetic, then it's in their heads.
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I do not believe it is a 'mental disease'.
Western society is obsessed with classifying and categorizing everything, where almost everything is a potential mental disease.
lmao yeah shame on me for thinking that its completely fucked up that a person would want to look and act like a zebra for the rest of their lives. I see no difference between that alteration and a sexual alteration.
I can just imagine what a fucked up world your anything goes attitude would bring about. Thats exactly why this west is going down the toilet.
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If there's no proof it's genetic, then it's in their heads.
People are born with genetic physical disorders all the time.
So its not to hard to imagine that this kind of desire to alter oneself could be the result of some genetic brain disorder
Why is that so difficult to accept?
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People are born with genetic physical disorders all the time.
So its not to hard to imagine that this kind of desire to alter oneself could be the result of some genetic brain disorder
Why is that so difficult to accept?
Because there hasn't been any hard proof showing the gay gene or tranny gene. Also, identical twins when one is gay and one is not or one is a tranny and one is not. What you call a brain disorder I'm calling mental illness.
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If there's no proof it's genetic, then it's in their heads.
really from the bible thumper? your whole life is based on "no proof"
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really from the bible thumper? your whole life is based on "no proof"
No its not. Yours is. I have all the proof I need. Carry on.
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It is kind of cute how they pick and choose which scientific opinions are valid.
lol this.
also, no conservative cared to comment on my post about how hypocritical the new age neo-con is.
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I've said that for many years here. I've also said that being a homosexual is in the same category. They're all mental illnesses. Hell, up until the 70s in the DSM, homosexuality was classified as a mental illness until it was taken out for political reasons.
Spot on...Most in the scientific industry and Psychiatric industry believe homosexuality is a mental illness. It's just they can't say that anymore or they'll not be able to make a living in the industry...
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If there's no proof it's genetic, then it's in their heads.
McHugh specifically states that “no evidence supports the claim that people such as Bruce Jenner [sic] have a biological source for their transgender assumptions. Plenty of evidence demonstrates that with him [sic] and most others, transgendering is a psychological rather than a biological matter.” To make this claim, McHugh must ignore at least fifteen studies that have found exactly that kind of evidence showing a biological origin for transgender identities.
You can find the 15 studies listed here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/how-much-evidence-does-it_b_4616722.html
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lol this.
also, no conservative cared to comment on my post about how hypocritical the new age neo-con is.
Because you're right. Look, I think it's weird, but if it doesn't hurt anyone and you're not forcing an agenda, what difference does it make? The world would be a much better place if everybody was just nice and or not assholes to each other. I don't always agree with other views, but I don't want to hurt them for it.
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Because you're right. Look, I think it's weird, but if it doesn't hurt anyone and you're not forcing an agenda, what difference does it make? The world would be a much better place if everybody was just nice and or not assholes to each other. I don't always agree with other views, but I don't want to hurt them for it.
well said, thanks
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Because you're right. Look, I think it's weird, but if it doesn't hurt anyone and you're not forcing an agenda, what difference does it make? The world would be a much better place if everybody was just nice and or not assholes to each other. I don't always agree with other views, but I don't want to hurt them for it.
So you don't want to bash peoples heads in over who they are voting for ???
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This is child abuse, pure and simple.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/movies/growing-up-coy-transgender-documentary.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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It is kind of cute how they pick and choose which scientific opinions are valid.
Yes, because I'm sure the studies in the "think progress" "glaad" "lgbt" and "Huffington Post" are totally bias and not hand picked. Much like the scientists on global warming. Sure, no agenda what so ever. It's perfectly normal for a 4 year old boy to feel like a girl and the at the first site of him playing with a Barbie the "progressive" parents throw a dress on him and brainwash him from that point on. You progressives always want to turn a non-issue into a big issue when there is absolutely no call for it. Is it even possible for you have at least a lick of commonsense?
It's disgusting.
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When you lump climate change in with the rest, you lose all credibility.
There is way more money in saying that it doesn't exist, than it does, yet climate scientists the world over are overwhelming in that it does exist.
Not even by small percentage points. So yes. It exists... That's just reality.
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Here, let me help you out this and the real reason. Last couple of months it was a freaking bathroom issue, now it's this.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/06/05/VA-Wants-Taxpayers-Pick-Tab-Transgender-Operations
But, hey let the other veterans suffer who actually need help and let the transgendered go first.
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Whether it is or isn't, surgically reassign your crotch or shut the fuck up. And stick to your organ's appropriate pisser.
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Where does it say let the transgendered go first?
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When you lump climate change in with the rest, you lose all credibility.
There is way more money in saying that it doesn't exist, than it does, yet climate scientists the world over are overwhelming in that it does exist.
Not even by small percentage points. So yes. It exists... That's just reality.
Yeah, I think it was something like 1978 hell was going to freeze over and today we're all going to burn up because AlGore said so ::)
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Yeah, I think it was something like 1978 hell was going to freeze over and today we're all going to burn up because AlGore said so ::)
When did Al Gore become a climate scientist?
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When did Al Gore become a climate scientist?
Ask him.
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When did Al Gore become a climate scientist?
Same time I did.
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That's what I thought.
Another dumb ass argument.
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Validating this shit is like telling an anorexic, "Yeah, looking kinda chubby, Roundo."
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That's what I thought.
Another dumb ass argument.
Tu, what do you want me to say? The majority of normal people couldn't give a shit whether someone wants to change gender, marry their gay partner, if you're black, white, yellow or otherwise but progressives seem to want to make a big deal out of nothing....literally. No one will EVER stop racism, discrimination or anything else the progressives want to make up. As far as I'm concerned it comes down to one thing....$$$.
I hardly know anyone that cares if someone from the same sex lives together. The same sex legal marriage BS all comes down to benefits. Tax and health care benefits and a few more. Other than that, who cares. I sure as hell don't.
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Tu, what do you want me to say? The majority of normal people couldn't give a shit whether someone wants to change gender, marry their gay partner, if your black, white, yellow or otherwise but progressives seem to want to make a big deal out of nothing....literally. No one will EVER stop racism, discrimination or anything else the progressives want to make up. As far as I'm concerned it comes down to one thing....$$$.
I hardly know anyone that cares if someone from the same sex lives together. The same sex legal marriage BS all comes down to benefits. Tax and health care benefits and a few more. Other than that, who cares. I sure as hell don't.
O RLY? Gay marriage used to be against your morals ;)
What is the secular argument against gay marriage that you claim exists?
Morals and the scientific fact two humans can't procreate.
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O RLY? Gay marriage used to be against your morals ;)
Dude, you've been having meltdowns of epic proportions lately. Protect yourself. You've been dumbing down quite a bit and making no sense. Was it the Killary threads? Btw, it still it against my morals. What the fuck does that have to do with anything.
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lmao yeah shame on me for thinking that its completely fucked up that a person would want to look and act like a zebra for the rest of their lives. I see no difference between that alteration and a sexual alteration.
I can just imagine what a fucked up world your anything goes attitude would bring about. Thats exactly why this west is going down the toilet.
Thailand is a nationalist right-wing militaristic society but they are also tolerant and have the most transgenders and possibly gays in the world.
Having all those ladyboys and gays has not made their society anything like the West.
Sexual orientation is not why the West is going down.
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Tu, what do you want me to say? The majority of normal people couldn't give a shit whether someone wants to change gender, marry their gay partner, if you're black, white, yellow or otherwise but progressives seem to want to make a big deal out of nothing....literally. No one will EVER stop racism, discrimination or anything else the progressives want to make up. As far as I'm concerned it comes down to one thing....$$$.
I hardly know anyone that cares if someone from the same sex lives together. The same sex legal marriage BS all comes down to benefits. Tax and health care benefits and a few more. Other than that, who cares. I sure as hell don't.
I was specifically talking about your comments about climate change.
However, I will flip it on you.
It's not progressives fighting against the same rights for all.
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Dude, you've been having meltdowns of epic proportions lately. Protect yourself. You've been dumbing down quite a bit and making no sense. Was it the Killary threads? Btw, it still it against my morals. What the fuck does that have to do with anything.
it's election season, man. I'm pumped. Super excited about Trump fixing the USA!
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Thailand is a nationalist right-wing militaristic society but they are also tolerant and have the most transgenders and possibly gays in the world.
Having all those ladyboys and gays has not made their society anything like the West.
Sexual orientation is not why the West is going down.
Im not going to waste my time on this crap anymore. We are on total opposite sides of the spectrum in regards to transgender individuals.
I see no difference in these two people as far as their mental state of mind, which I find to be ill. One thinks they should have been born a cat, the other a woman. You think this is perfectly normal and society is forced to embrace this instead of stepping back and asking some real questions.
By the way the cat guy killed himself. Seems to be an ongoing theme with people that have these mental issues. Good Luck.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/06/article-0-027FFAE600000578-658_468x657.jpg)
(http://cdn.popdust.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Caitlin-Jenner-Transgender-Homeless-Charity_2015-08-19_19-18-08-452x254.jpg)
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I see no difference in these two people as far as their mental state of mind, which I find to be ill. One thinks they should have been born a cat, the other a woman. You think this is perfectly normal and society is forced to embrace this instead of stepping back and asking some real questions.
All well and good. But what would your plan of action be? Take away an adult's personal choice by forcing them into therapy, drugs and possibly even being involuntarily institutionalised? Or more generally speaking, are you for personal freedom only for those actions you personally deem acceptable? If so, then why stop at transgenders? I think modern feminists are crazy. Lock those up too? How about right-wing militia nutcases? Force them to take their pills. Bodybuilders with body dysmorphia? Ban then from all gyms.
Before anyone wants to twist this into something it is not: I don't believe being transgender is a thing. But if they want to believe it is, then it should be their personal freedom as an adult to do so.
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Tu, what do you want me to say? The majority of normal people couldn't give a shit whether someone wants to change gender, marry their gay partner, if you're black, white, yellow or otherwise but progressives seem to want to make a big deal out of nothing....literally. No one will EVER stop racism, discrimination or anything else the progressives want to make up. As far as I'm concerned it comes down to one thing....$$$.
I hardly know anyone that cares if someone from the same sex lives together. The same sex legal marriage BS all comes down to benefits. Tax and health care benefits and a few more. Other than that, who cares. I sure as hell don't.
Perhaps people in long term relationships wanted equal legal protection if their partners were hospitalized or died.
Normal people, LOL!
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I hardly know anyone that cares if someone from the same sex lives together. The same sex legal marriage BS all comes down to benefits. Tax and health care benefits and a few more. Other than that, who cares. I sure as hell don't.
Agreed, this is bizarre. There should be no financial benefit in marrying, straight nor gay. The state should not be involved in any marriage, at all, ever. I take it you support this position as well? Small government for the win.
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Agreed, this is bizarre. There should be no financial benefit in marrying, straight nor gay. The state should not be involved in any marriage, at all, ever. I take it you support this position as well? Small government for the win.
Small Govt Conservatives are an endangered species. We're being hunted to extinction by right-wingers who want the US govt and political system to be extensions of their religion.
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All well and good. But what would your plan of action be? Take away an adult's personal choice by forcing them into therapy, drugs and possibly even being involuntarily institutionalised? Or more generally speaking, are you for personal freedom only for those actions you personally deem acceptable? If so, then why stop at transgenders? I think modern feminists are crazy. Lock those up too? How about right-wing militia nutcases? Force them to take their pills. Bodybuilders with body dysmorphia? Ban then from all gyms.
Before anyone wants to twist this into something it is not: I don't believe being transgender is a thing. But if they want to believe it is, then it should be their personal freedom as an adult to do so.
I agree that everyone should have a choice on how they should live their lives (as long as no one is hurt) and that to an extent, almost everyone suffers from some form of mental issue.
However, I think the problem many have with the whole transgender movement is the forced acceptence of it as something that is totally natural and that those who change their gender are just as authentic in their new sex as those who are born within it. Caitlyn Jenner winning "Woman of the Year" is a good example of this.
Anyone who speaks out against this, is quickly branded a bigot.
Germaine Greer was branded "transphobic" for simply stating that transgender women "are not real women".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34625512
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/germaine-greer-defends-grossly-offensive-comments-about-transgender-women-just-because-you-lop-off-a6709061.html
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I agree that everyone should have a choice on how they should live their lives (as long as no one is hurt) and that to an extent, almost everyone suffers from some form of mental issue.
However, I think the problem many have with the whole transgender movement is the forced acceptence of it as something that is totally natural and that those who change their gender are just as authentic in their new sex as those who are born within it. Caitlyn Jenner winning "Woman of the Year" is a good example of this.
Anyone who speaks out against this, is quickly branded a bigot.
Germaine Greer was branded "transphobic" for simply stating that transgender women "are not real women".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34625512
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/germaine-greer-defends-grossly-offensive-comments-about-transgender-women-just-because-you-lop-off-a6709061.html
Agreed that forced acceptance is a step too far. Everyone should be able to express themselves freely, as long as it doesn't turn into libel/slander.
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Im not going to waste my time on this crap anymore. We are on total opposite sides of the spectrum in regards to transgender individuals.
I see no difference in these two people as far as their mental state of mind, which I find to be ill. One thinks they should have been born a cat, the other a woman. You think this is perfectly normal and society is forced to embrace this instead of stepping back and asking some real questions.
By the way the cat guy killed himself. Seems to be an ongoing theme with people that have these mental issues. Good Luck.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/06/article-0-027FFAE600000578-658_468x657.jpg)
(http://cdn.popdust.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Caitlin-Jenner-Transgender-Homeless-Charity_2015-08-19_19-18-08-452x254.jpg)
By your definition, almost all male Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians were 'mentally diseased' as it was normal in their culture to have a relationship with a younger male. The same applies to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
Macedonians were more extreme, with adult men having relationships, the Spartans each were paired with a male 'lover', and the Athenians were well known for liking boys. Athens had a statue in their main public square of two homosexual lovers who killed their tyrant and helped bring in democracy. It was considered 'normal' in those days.
These are the founding fathers of Western civilization, political system and philosophy.
They also had transgenders in those days, castrated males who would dress and live as women and have relationships with men. They were called eunuchs. Even Alexander the Great had a relationship with a eunuch.
By your definition the pre-Christian Europe, North Africa and Middle East were all mentally diseased people.
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Yes, a militaristic skull-bashing government just happens to be overloaded with weak males in the general population.
All perfectly coincidental, though!
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Aggressive males in a general population are the first line of defense against wrongful power-grabs.
So if you're part of a cabal with tyranny in mind, you have every reason to want to see the males in that society turn into a sad bunch of Bruce Jenners.
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By your definition, almost all male Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians were 'mentally diseased' as it was normal in their culture to have a relationship with a younger male. The same applies to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
Macedonians were more extreme, with adult men having relationships, the Spartans each were paired with a male 'lover', and the Athenians were well known for liking boys. Athens had a statue in their main public square of two homosexual lovers who killed their tyrant and helped bring in democracy. It was considered 'normal' in those days.
These are the founding fathers of Western civilization, political system and philosophy.
They also had transgenders in those days, castrated males who would dress and live as women and have relationships with men. They were called eunuchs. Even Alexander the Great had a relationship with a eunuch.
By your definition the pre-Christian Europe, North Africa and Middle East were all mentally diseased people.
Interesting post, but you forgot to make "the announcement".
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By your definition, almost all male Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians were 'mentally diseased' as it was normal in their culture to have a relationship with a younger male. The same applies to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
Macedonians were more extreme, with adult men having relationships, the Spartans each were paired with a male 'lover', and the Athenians were well known for liking boys. Athens had a statue in their main public square of two homosexual lovers who killed their tyrant and helped bring in democracy. It was considered 'normal' in those days.
These are the founding fathers of Western civilization, political system and philosophy.
They also had transgenders in those days, castrated males who would dress and live as women and have relationships with men. They were called eunuchs. Even Alexander the Great had a relationship with a eunuch.
By your definition the pre-Christian Europe, North Africa and Middle East were all mentally diseased people.
AND?
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Lol, exactly.
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People should own their own shit and stop using religion as an excuse to hate.
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People should own their own shit and stop using religion as an excuse to hate.
Did you see the post about "castrating males" and "liking boys" etc. etc. made to try to somehow show that it's not at all a sign of derangement? Never mind that it succeeded only in doing the opposite.
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Did you see the post about "castrating males" and "liking boys" etc. etc. made to try to somehow show that it's not at all a sign of derangement? Never mind that it succeeded only in doing the opposite.
The main point is that is what is considered 'normal' changes over time according to the changing cultures of society.
The other point, is that gays and transgenders have existed for thousands of years, its not some new phenomenon.
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The main point is that is what is considered 'normal' changes over time according to the changing cultures of society.
The other point, is that gays and transgenders have existed for thousands of years, its not some new phenomenon.
So "normal" automatically equals "good" or what? I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.
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So "normal" automatically equals "good" or what? I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.
No, what is considered 'normal' or 'good' can depend on people's and society's views at a particular time.
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No, what is considered 'normal' or 'good' can depend on people's and society's views at a particular time.
But 'can' doesn't necessarily mean 'should' right?
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/26/article-2284644-184C7B59000005DC-692_638x430.jpg)
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The main point is that is what is considered 'normal' changes over time according to the changing cultures of society.
The other point, is that gays and transgenders have existed for thousands of years, its not some new phenomenon.
People chemically castrate themselves with PED side-effects. No one says "You're not normal, your body is a temple"... they just write which drugs will reduce the sides.
Also, people damage their hearts, livers, kidneys, lungs, etc... using drugs attempting to force their bodies' into Arnold, Superman, or some other unrealistic image in their heads and no one says a fucking thing.
There are probably more bodybuilders suffering from body dysmorphic disorder than transgendered, FFS! I find it amusing that a bunch of guys who will inject oil, drugs, overeat, and train to look like someone/something else are such hypocrites with it comes to a segment of society that's probably smaller than themselves.
Own your own shit, is all I'm saying. Don't bully or hate other's in God's name.
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Just don't expect applause when you make a claim stating you know better than God and/or Nature (take your pick, or both).
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Aggressive males in a general population are the first line of defense against wrongful power-grabs.
So if you're part of a cabal with tyranny in mind, you have every reason to want to see the males in that society turn into a sad bunch of Bruce Jenners.
Because of the overall tone of the thread, I initially read your above statement as: "if you're part of a cabal with trannys in mind, you have every reason to want to see the males in that society turn into a sad bunch of Bruce Jenners."
Weird how the human brain works...
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If no one is getting hurt, who cares how others want to live their life.
^^^ There it is....
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Agreed, this is bizarre. There should be no financial benefit in marrying, straight nor gay. The state should not be involved in any marriage, at all, ever. I take it you support this position as well? Small government for the win.
Yet there is.
Try telling married people that their married tax benefits will be going away and see how that goes.
Small Govt Conservatives are an endangered species. We're being hunted to extinction by right-wingers who want the US govt and political system to be extensions of their religion.
I agree. Small government conservatives are a dying breed.
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Because of the overall tone of the thread, I initially read your above statement as: "if you're part of a cabal with trannys in mind, you have every reason to want to see the males in that society turn into a sad bunch of Bruce Jenners."
Weird how the human brain works...
Can't say you weren't making sense of it, still, though.
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The Bible has been around a long time and countless people have derived their moral code from it AND other books inspired by it. It holds even more power today. To say not follow what the Bible said regarding homosexuality or anything else controversial is a pretty bold and dumb statement.
Using incendiary words like hate and bully to position yourself in a higher position morally doesn't change what the Bible says about these abhorrent behaviors. If you're a secularist or nihilist. Fine, fuck off. But for much too long, these spiritual tards and their lack of discernment has led this country and the western world down a path of debauchery in the name of being equal. You people don't understand law and order and believe chaos is order. You're genuinely screwed in the head.
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People chemically castrate themselves with PED side-effects. No one says "You're not normal, your body is a temple"... they just write which drugs will reduce the sides.
Also, people damage their hearts, livers, kidneys, lungs, etc... using drugs attempting to force their bodies' into Arnold, Superman, or some other unrealistic image in their heads and no one says a fucking thing.
There are probably more bodybuilders suffering from body dysmorphic disorder than transgendered, FFS! I find it amusing that a bunch of guys who will inject oil, drugs, overeat, and train to look like someone/something else are such hypocrites with it comes to a segment of society that's probably smaller than themselves.
Own your own shit, is all I'm saying. Don't bully or hate other's in God's name.
Exactly.
Guys using steroids and male hormones are trying to make themselves hyper-masculine, by using synthetic drugs.
Altering their bodies beyond and differently to what nature intended.
Its not 'natural' either.
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Georgia ACLU director resigns over transgender directive
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Exactly.
Guys using steroids and male hormones are trying to make themselves hyper-masculine, by using synthetic drugs.
Altering their bodies beyond and differently to what nature intended.
Its not 'natural' either.
"It's natural because I'm replacing what my body would have made 39 years ago", LOL!
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All well and good. But what would your plan of action be? Take away an adult's personal choice by forcing them into therapy, drugs and possibly even being involuntarily institutionalised? Or more generally speaking, are you for personal freedom only for those actions you personally deem acceptable? If so, then why stop at transgenders? I think modern feminists are crazy. Lock those up too? How about right-wing militia nutcases? Force them to take their pills. Bodybuilders with body dysmorphia? Ban then from all gyms.
Before anyone wants to twist this into something it is not: I don't believe being transgender is a thing. But if they want to believe it is, then it should be their personal freedom as an adult to do so.
The problem us they don't live in a bubble and the rest of us have to deal with their issues as well and we shouldn't have to. That's where I have an issue with it.
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I agree that everyone should have a choice on how they should live their lives (as long as no one is hurt) and that to an extent, almost everyone suffers from some form of mental issue.
However, I think the problem many have with the whole transgender movement is the forced acceptence of it as something that is totally natural and that those who change their gender are just as authentic in their new sex as those who are born within it. Caitlyn Jenner winning "Woman of the Year" is a good example of this.
Anyone who speaks out against this, is quickly branded a bigot.
Germaine Greer was branded "transphobic" for simply stating that transgender women "are not real women".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34625512
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/germaine-greer-defends-grossly-offensive-comments-about-transgender-women-just-because-you-lop-off-a6709061.html
Exactly.