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Seriously, how many chin-ups do you think Kai or Phil or Coleman or Yates could actually do? Not many if any at all. But, huge backs.
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Seriously, how many chin-ups do you think Kai or Phil or Coleman or Yayes could actually do? Not many if any at all. But, huge backs.
Kai: 34 chin ups
Phil: 27 chin up
Coleman: 37 chin ups
Yates: 33 chin ups
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In before cutler
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If you can do any pull ups at all it means you are not a bodybuilder.
No ifbb pro should be able to do one.
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Seriously, how many chin-ups do you think Kai or Phil or Coleman or Yayes could actually do? Not many if any at all. But, huge backs.
Phil could do a fair amount. That is what he would start his back workout with.
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Same could be said for powerlifters and strongmen, BUT crossfitters, hmmmmmm
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If you can do any pull ups at all it means you are not a bodybuilder.
No ifbb pro should be able to do one.
::)
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A powerlifter or a bodybuilder that likes strength training should be able to do good on pullups. The fancy schmancy gaymancies don't really care doing them ever.
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Dorian did weighted pull-ups
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If you can do any pull ups at all it means you are not a bodybuilder.
No ifbb pro should be able to do one.
Franco did pullips all the time. His back was awesome.
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21 reps at 61 years old(2014)
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Samir Bannout and Tony Pearson did pull ups and had two of the best backs of all time.
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pullups=overtraining
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In before cutler
Specifically considered adding Cutler but didn't consider his back good enough to make this point.
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Joel Stubbs did pull ups/chin ups as well.
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Dorian did weighted pull-ups
Maybe at some point early on, but he wasn't doing those once he gained more mass. All this XYZ did pull-ups means nothing. Everyone claims to have done pull-ups.
Franco, Samir and Tony Pearson are all mentioned. What is the common thread? Hint, look down.
The point isn't that you can't get a good back doing chins, it is that your goal is to get a good back, how many chins are irrelevant.
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Same could be said for powerlifters and strongmen, BUT crossfitters, hmmmmmm
Pudzianowsky could do at least 10 at 320 lbs, the guy was inhuman.
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Seriously, how many chin-ups do you think Kai or Phil or Coleman or Yates could actually do? Not many if any at all. But, huge backs.
zero
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I'm surprised nobody has posted the video of Toka Swola attempting to chin up.
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I'm surprised nobody has posted the video of Toka Swola attempting to chin up.
musclecenter already filled our requirements for zero pullup videos today.
<solitary tear runs down cheek while typing this>
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240 is the king of playground jungle gym chins.
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Pudzianowsky could do at least 10 at 320 lbs, the guy was inhuman.
Pudz is one of a kind - his dominator thing was kinda cheesy but on the other hand he literally earned that tag.
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blahas toy plastic chain, lol
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I think Chin ups / Pull ups are essential, been doing them religiously since I was a kid, I think they help in every aspect width, thickness, detail..proof is in the pudding
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Now THAT was a brilliant link that I would never have stumbled across! Thanks dude :D 8)
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I think Chin ups / Pull ups are essential, been doing them religiously since I was a kid, I think they help in every aspect width, thickness, detail..proof is in the pudding
lol you still claiming natural brah?
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Dude,you look fucking great......nice thickness in the back/lats area.
Props!!
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Now THAT was a brilliant link that I would never have stumbled across! Thanks dude :D 8)
Perfect chins on the second guy especially.
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Go4It.....work your erectors bro and your back will be friggin` perfect.
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Great back gay4it
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Seriously, how many chin-ups do you think Kai or Phil or Coleman or Yates could actually do? Not many if any at all. But, huge backs.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think they are a lot like push-ups. They build strength and muscularity, but you reach the point of diminishing returns pretty early on IF your goal is to be a very large, very strong bodybuilder. Definitely not an essential exercise for building a lot of mass or strength.
(For reference, I have started multiple posts about how overrated I think deadlifting is. I think chin ups/pull ups are similar in the sense that a lot of it comes down to "practice", but I chin regularly. )
Great back on go4it, but he has a slimmer build that chin ups would be beneficial for.
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I agree with you to a certain extent. I think they are a lot like push-ups. They build strength and muscularity, but you reach the point of diminishing returns pretty early on IF your goal is to be a very large, very strong bodybuilder. Definitely not an essential exercise for building a lot of mass or strength.
(For reference, I have started multiple posts about how overrated I think deadlifting is. I think chin ups/pull ups are similar in the sense that a lot of it comes down to "practice", but I chin regularly. )
Great back on go4it, but he has a slimmer build that chin ups would be beneficial for.
You can do them weighted with a dip belt, no?
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There's a video somewhere of Brock Lesner around 280 pounds doing endless pullups. Pretty impressive from a guy that big...
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I can't believe no one has said bay watch ???
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You can do them weighted with a dip belt, no?
A few years back, I was doing workouts with bodyweight-type stuff at the top half followed by free weights. I progressed to 3 plates (for about 4-5 reps) so ridiculously fast that I thought I was the shit. And people in my gym were constantly congratulating me because a lot of people couldn't even do 4-5 regular chins. Also, I'm a decent sized guy.
In retrospect, I don't think it was as impressive as I felt it was at the time. I have a theory about why deadlifting is overrated and it applies to chins to a certain degree, too. You engage so many muscles in deadlifting that you can compensate for a weak point in your lift without really gaining strength like you would on most compound exercises, back or otherwise. Chins are a back and arm exercise, but they also engage abs, legs and chest in a way that seated lat pulls don't. (You're probably saying "if you use legs to do chins, you're doing them wrong", but even doing them strictly, there is a degree of body motion that you use to complete a rep. The more difficult the rep, the more you use. Check out the leg movement on the guys in the video posted upthread.) I think chins can do a lot for your strength and physique, but I think there's a limit to how close it will get you to a bodybuilder-type back, even with added weight.
I didn't make this a booklength post, as people have complained about those from me in the past, but I can imagine that anyone who is interested probably sees some things to pick apart. Feel free. I have some other examples and observations that I'm sure won't change anyone's mind.
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lol you still claiming natural brah?
x2
On the one hand he gets a pass for being a get bigger
On the other ::)
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I can't believe no one has said bay watch ???
Just for you then... ;)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/08/21/32015E4900000578-3482525-image-m-25_1457472391911.jpg)
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I agree with you to a certain extent. I think they are a lot like push-ups. They build strength and muscularity, but you reach the point of diminishing returns pretty early on IF your goal is to be a very large, very strong bodybuilder. Definitely not an essential exercise for building a lot of mass or strength.
(For reference, I have started multiple posts about how overrated I think deadlifting is. I think chin ups/pull ups are similar in the sense that a lot of it comes down to "practice", but I chin regularly. )
Great back on go4it, but he has a slimmer build that chin ups would be beneficial for.
There is a vid of Kai showing a guy Adduction and abduction of your scapula when doing pull ups.
Also, one thing that I have noticed is that the bbers that do pull ups tend to have better back detsil. And that it possibly helps in developing a better mind muscle connection. It's not necessarily developing a lot of mass, but developing that detail. Also, chin ups are a very good biceps exercise, good for helping to develop one's peaks. And also the old school guys used to do pull ups and chest exercises---having the blood in the upper body area.
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A few years back, I was doing workouts with bodyweight-type stuff at the top half followed by free weights. I progressed to 3 plates (for about 4-5 reps) so ridiculously fast that I thought I was the shit. And people in my gym were constantly congratulating me because a lot of people couldn't even do 4-5 regular chins. Also, I'm a decent sized guy.
In retrospect, I don't think it was as impressive as I felt it was at the time. I have a theory about why deadlifting is overrated and it applies to chins to a certain degree, too. You engage so many muscles in deadlifting that you can compensate for a weak point in your lift without really gaining strength like you would on most compound exercises, back or otherwise. Chins are a back and arm exercise, but they also engage abs, legs and chest in a way that seated lat pulls don't. (You're probably saying "if you use legs to do chins, you're doing them wrong", but even doing them strictly, there is a degree of body motion that you use to complete a rep. The more difficult the rep, the more you use. Check out the leg movement on the guys in the video posted upthread.) I think chins can do a lot for your strength and physique, but I think there's a limit to how close it will get you to a bodybuilder-type back, even with added weight.
I didn't make this a booklength post, as people have complained about those from me in the past, but I can imagine that anyone who is interested probably sees some things to pick apart. Feel free. I have some other examples and observations that I'm sure won't change anyone's mind.
3 plates is awesome. Yeah they work abs, esp heavy 2 - 4 reps, high volume. The knees naturally want to go into tuck position. You feel the abs the next day if done right.
I used to hate chins cause I'd initially take each set to failure and it was energy draining. When I avoided failure and went for volume, then I discovered the true gem of the exercise. It's underrated IMO.
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Def not saying that chin-ups are worthless, just that I don't think they build prize winning bodybuilding backs. I think you could build a great fitness/physique competitor-style body using chins and dips as your only upper body exercises. I don't think you could ever build a Phillip Heath-type back with chins, no matter how many you do, no matter how much weight you add.
(I do not think you could build a great body of any type using only deadlifts.)
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I think Chin ups / Pull ups are essential, been doing them religiously since I was a kid, I think they help in every aspect width, thickness, detail..proof is in the pudding
Don't get me wrong, if you can do them, go for it. I would think they are helpful, just not essential to a good back. Usually they are reserved for those light in the legs.
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A few years back, I was doing workouts with bodyweight-type stuff at the top half followed by free weights. I progressed to 3 plates (for about 4-5 reps) so ridiculously fast that I thought I was the shit. And people in my gym were constantly congratulating me because a lot of people couldn't even do 4-5 regular chins. Also, I'm a decent sized guy.
In retrospect, I don't think it was as impressive as I felt it was at the time. I have a theory about why deadlifting is overrated and it applies to chins to a certain degree, too. You engage so many muscles in deadlifting that you can compensate for a weak point in your lift without really gaining strength like you would on most compound exercises, back or otherwise. Chins are a back and arm exercise, but they also engage abs, legs and chest in a way that seated lat pulls don't. (You're probably saying "if you use legs to do chins, you're doing them wrong", but even doing them strictly, there is a degree of body motion that you use to complete a rep. The more difficult the rep, the more you use. Check out the leg movement on the guys in the video posted upthread.) I think chins can do a lot for your strength and physique, but I think there's a limit to how close it will get you to a bodybuilder-type back, even with added weight.
I didn't make this a booklength post, as people have complained about those from me in the past, but I can imagine that anyone who is interested probably sees some things to pick apart. Feel free. I have some other examples and observations that I'm sure won't change anyone's mind.
This ain't no War and Peace.
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3 plates is awesome. Yeah they work abs, esp heavy 2 - 4 reps, high volume. The knees naturally want to go into tuck position. You feel the abs the next day if done right.
I used to hate chins cause I'd initially take each set to failure and it was energy draining. When I avoided failure and went for volume, then I discovered the true gem of the exercise. It's underrated IMO.
I agree I hate and suck at high reps so now with chins stick to multiple sets of 5 reps and can get more volume in this way
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I agree I hate and suck at high reps so now with chins stick to multiple sets of 5 reps and can get more volume in this way
Last year I had some really bad injuries and complications from them. Having done 25 chins (pullups, fool!) in the past made completing 3 seem worthless. But I did sets of 2 or 3 as I recovered, finding my later sets started producing more reps. I'll sometimes do sets of 3, 6, 9, 12, 9, etc. Stuff works.
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14:40 ;D
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chin ups build just as much mass as any other lat pulldown movement.
all this...its good for this and that is just BS simpleton stuff.
it all comes down to how many reps you can do on it.
its just like selecting a weight in a pulldown. when u want more weight, put on a belt.
it only starts to get impractical when the weight you carry becomes difficult for some reason like size of the plate stack.
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chin ups build just as much mass as any other lat pulldown movement.
all this...its good for this and that is just BS simpleton stuff.
it all comes down to how many reps you can do on it.
its just like selecting a weight in a pulldown. when u want more weight, put on a belt.
it only starts to get impractical when the weight you carry becomes difficult for some reason like size of the plate stack.
Don't forget a lot of people here struggle to do one with their drug bloat. So it's a bit biased.
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i did pullups today after not doing them forever. I was totally the 5-reps, then static hang guy. Forgot how intense this movement was. I always remember deadlift and rows. Not pullups... the station is always bust with some clown doing biceps cable curls.