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Title: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: tonymctones on June 28, 2016, 04:42:04 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/hillary-clintons-email-story-continues-to-get-harder-and-harder-to-believe/

She deleted more emails than she turned over to the state department.

She claims they were all personal, so that means she either was doing more personal things than her job as Sec. Of State or she is lying.

Which one do you guys think it was?
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Erik C on June 28, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Kind of lean towards lying her ass off again.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on June 28, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: tonymctones on June 28, 2016, 04:42:04 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/hillary-clintons-email-story-continues-to-get-harder-and-harder-to-believe/

She deleted more emails than she turned over to the state department.

She claims they were all personal, so that means she either was doing more personal things than her job as Sec. Of State or she is lying.

Which one do you guys think it was?

This about sums it up.  lol

Quote from: Erik C on June 28, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Kind of lean towards lying her ass off again.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 29, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
GayBay, andreisatrans and 99% of other blacks are going to vote for her no matter what she does.   
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 05, 2016, 05:01:35 AM
The State Department is under fire for delaying to release records related to Hillary Clinton's tenure
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FILE - In this Oct. 18, 2011, file photo, then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton checks her Blackberry from a desk inside a C-17 military plane upon her departure from Malta, in the Mediterranean Sea, bound for Tripoli, Libya. The State Department is under fire in courtrooms over its delays turning over government files related to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. In one case, the department warned it needed a 27-month delay, until October 2018, to turn over emails from Clinton’s former aides.  (AP Photo/Kevin Lamarque, Pool, File)
FILE - In this Oct. 18, 2011, file photo, then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton checks her Blackberry from a desk inside a C-17 military plane upon her departure from Malta, in the Mediterranean Sea, bound for Tripoli, Libya. The State Department is under fire in courtrooms over its delays turning over government files related to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. In one case, the department warned it needed a 27-month delay, until October 2018, to turn over emails from Clinton’s former aides. (AP Photo/Kevin Lamarque, Pool, File) syndication.ap.org
WASHINGTON (AP) — Just five months before the presidential election, the State Department is under fire in courtrooms over its delays in turning over government files related to Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

In one case, the agency warned it needed a 27-month delay, until October 2018, to turn over emails from Clinton's former aides, and the judge in another case, a lawsuit by The Associated Press, wondered aloud whether the State Department might be deliberately delaying until after the election.

"We're now reaching a point where there's mounting frustration that this is a project where the State Department may be running out the clock," said U.S. District Court Judge Richard J. Leon.

The judge said he was considering imposing penalties on the agency if it failed to meet the next set of deadlines he orders. Leon wondered aloud at one point whether he might impose penalties for again failing to deliver records on time. He mused about "a fine on a daily basis" or "incarceration."

"I can't send the marshals, obviously, out to bring in the documents, at least they wouldn't know where to go, probably," Leon said.

Secretary of State John Kerry and other officials have said they are committed to public transparency, vowing that the State Department will improve its practices under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. Last year, after an inspector general's audit harshly critical of the agency, Kerry appointed a "transparency coordinator," Janice Jacobs, and said the agency would "fundamentally improve our ability to respond to requests for our records."

But in three separate court hearings last week, officials acknowledged that their records searches were hobbled by errors and new delays and said they need far more time to produce Clinton records. In other cases where the agency has already reached legal agreements with news organizations and political groups, the final delivery of thousands of records will not come until months after the November election — far too late to give voters an opportunity to analyze the performance of Clinton and her aides.

State Department spokesman John Kirby blamed the spiraling delays on mounting requests for more files. "These requests are also frequently more complex, and increasingly seeking larger volumes of documents requiring more time, more resources and frankly, more interagency coordination," Kirby said.

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Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton addresses supporters at a campaign kickoff event in Denver, Colorado August 4, 2015. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

The State Department said in court that it had miscalculated the amount of material it expected to process as part of a public records lawsuit from Citizens United, a conservative interest group. In basic searches of 14,000 pages of records, officials failed to include the "to" and "from" lines of the messages, missing many possible records.

"These delay tactics by the Obama administration look like nothing more than an assist to former Secretary Clinton," said the group's president, David Bossie.

The AP had better luck asking for files about the role Clinton or her aides played in a 2011 decision allowing the British defense contractor BAE Systems plc to avoid being barred from government work and instead pay a $79 million fine. The AP received some records, but last week, the judge said he will likely order the State Department to turn over remaining files in September instead of mid-October, as the agency proposed.

Government lawyers said they need to review thousands of pages and allow the files to be examined by BAE's lawyers in case the company identifies proprietary material that would need to be censored.

"I'm not going to set them for October, two weeks before the election, that's ridiculous," Leon said.

In a third court case, the Gawker.com news site was told by State Department lawyers last week that the agency had failed to provide at least 100 email attachments from Philippe Reines, a Clinton aide who used a private account to send work-related messages. Gawker and the agency agreed that the State Department would turn over the missing material by September.

Also last week, during another legal proceeding involving Huma Abedin, Clinton's closest aide and her former deputy chief of staff, Abedin said she "was never asked to search my emails for anything related to FOIA when I was at State."

Logs of requests showed that Abedin's emails had been sought at the time by reporters for Gawker, Huffington Post and other organizations.

Kirby told the AP that he could not comment on whether Abedin's files were properly searched during Clinton's tenure. But he added that "we have acknowledged that historically we did not have a consistent practice for searching emails in the Office of the Secretary."
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 05, 2016, 05:26:24 AM
Clinton-Related State Dept. Records Delays Are Mounting Up
By Stephen Braun
July 05, 2016
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Just five months before the presidential election, the State Department is under fire in courtrooms over its delays in turning over government files related to Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

In one case, the agency warned it needed a 27-month delay, until October 2018, to turn over emails from Clinton's former aides, and the judge in another case, a lawsuit by The Associated Press, wondered aloud whether the State Department might be deliberately delaying until after the election.


"We're now reaching a point where there's mounting frustration that this is a project where the State Department may be running out the clock," said U.S. District Court Judge Richard J. Leon. The judge said he was considering imposing penalties on the agency if it failed to meet the next set of deadlines he orders. Leon wondered aloud at one point whether he might impose penalties for again failing to deliver records on time. He mused about "a fine on a daily basis" or "incarceration."

"I can't send the marshals, obviously, out to bring in the documents, at least they wouldn't know where to go, probably," Leon said.

Secretary of State John Kerry and other officials have said they are committed to public transparency, vowing that the State Department will improve its practices under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. Last year, after an inspector general's audit harshly critical of the agency, Kerry appointed a "transparency coordinator," Janice Jacobs, and said the agency would "fundamentally improve our ability to respond to requests for our records."

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But in three separate court hearings last week, officials acknowledged that their records searches were hobbled by errors and new delays and said they need far more time to produce Clinton records. In other cases where the agency has already reached legal agreements with news organizations and political groups, the final delivery of thousands of records will not come until months after the November election - far too late to give voters an opportunity to analyze the performance of Clinton and her aides.

State Department spokesman John Kirby blamed the spiraling delays on mounting requests for more files. "These requests are also frequently more complex, and increasingly seeking larger volumes of documents requiring more time, more resources and frankly, more interagency coordination," Kirby said.

The State Department said in court that it had miscalculated the amount of material it expected to process as part of a public records lawsuit from Citizens United, a conservative interest group. In basic searches of 14,000 pages of records, officials failed to include the "to" and "from" lines of the messages, missing many possible records.

"These delay tactics by the Obama administration look like nothing more than an assist to former Secretary Clinton," said the group's president, David Bossie.

The AP had better luck asking for files about the role Clinton or her aides played in a 2011 decision allowing the British defense contractor BAE Systems plc to avoid being barred from government work and instead pay a $79 million fine. The AP received some records, but last week, the judge said he will likely order the State Department to turn over remaining files in September instead of mid-October, as the agency proposed.

Government lawyers said they need to review thousands of pages and allow the files to be examined by BAE's lawyers in case the company identifies proprietary material that would need to be censored.

"I'm not going to set them for October, two weeks before the election, that's ridiculous," Leon said.

In a third court case, the Gawker.com news site was told by State Department lawyers last week that the agency had failed to provide at least 100 email attachments from Philippe Reines, a Clinton aide who used a private account to send work-related messages. Gawker and the agency agreed that the State Department would turn over the missing material by September.

Also last week, during another legal proceeding involving Huma Abedin, Clinton's closest aide and her former deputy chief of staff, Abedin said she "was never asked to search my emails for anything related to FOIA when I was at State."

Logs of requests showed that Abedin's emails had been sought at the time by reporters for Gawker, Huffington Post and other organizations.

Kirby told the AP that he could not comment on whether Abedin's files were properly searched during Clinton's tenure. But he added that "we have acknowledged that historically we did not have a consistent practice for searching emails in the Office of the Secretary."

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Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 06, 2016, 08:30:54 AM
AP FACT CHECK: Clinton email claims collapse under FBI probe
By STEPHEN BRAUN and JACK GILLUM
 Jul. 6, 2016 4:01 AM EDT
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Key assertions by Hillary Clinton in defense of her email practices have collapsed under FBI scrutiny.

The agency's yearlong investigation found that she did not, as she claimed, turn over all her work-related messages for release. It found that her private email server did carry classified emails, also contrary to her past statements. And it made clear that Clinton used many devices to send and receive email despite her statements that she set up her email system so that she only needed to carry one.

FBI Director James Comey's announcement Tuesday that he will not refer criminal charges to the Justice Department against Clinton spared her from prosecution and a devastating political predicament. But it left much of her account in tatters and may have aggravated questions of trust swirling around her Democratic presidential candidacy.

A look at Clinton's claims since questions about her email practices as secretary of state surfaced and how they compare with facts established in the FBI probe:

 
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CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material." News conference, March 2015.

THE FACTS: Actually, the FBI identified at least 113 emails that passed through Clinton's server and contained materials that were classified at the time they were sent, including some that were Top Secret and referred to a highly classified special access program, Comey said.

Most of those emails — 110 of them — were included among 30,000 emails that Clinton returned to the State Department around the time her use of a private email server was discovered. The three others were recovered from a forensic analysis of Clinton's server. "Any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about the matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation," Comey said. Clinton and her aides "were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information," he said.

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CLINTON: "I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified." NBC interview, July 2016.

THE FACTS: Clinton has separately clung to her rationale that there were no classification markings on her emails that would have warned her and others not to transmit the sensitive material. But the private system did, in fact, handle emails that bore markings indicating they contained classified information, Comey said.

He said the marked emails were "a very small number." But that's not the only standard for judging how officials handle sensitive material, he added. "Even if information is not marked classified in an email, participants who know, or should know, that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it."

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CLINTON: "I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work related" to the State Department. News conference, March 2015.

THE FACTS: Not so, the FBI found.

Comey said that when his forensic team examined Clinton's server it found there were "several thousand work-related emails that were not in the group of 30,000" that had been returned by Clinton to the State Department.

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CLINTON: "I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for personal emails instead of two." News conference, March 2015.

THE FACTS: This reasoning for using private email both for public business and private correspondence didn't hold up in the investigation. Clinton "used numerous mobile devices to view and send email" using her personal account, Comey said. He also said Clinton had used different servers.

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CLINTON: "It was on property guarded by the Secret Service, and there were no security breaches. ... The use of that server, which started with my husband, certainly proved to be effective and secure." News conference, March 2015.

CLINTON campaign website: "There is no evidence there was ever a breach."

THE FACTS: The campaign website claimed "no evidence" of a breach, a less categorical statement than Clinton herself made last year, when she said there was no breach. The FBI did not uncover a breach but made clear that that possibility cannot be ruled out.

"We assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account," Comey said.

He said evidence would be hard to find because hackers are sophisticated and can cover their tracks. Comey said his investigators learned that Clinton's security lapses included using "her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries." Comey also noted that hackers breached the email accounts of several outsiders who messaged with Clinton.

Comey did not mention names, but a Romanian hacker who called himself Guccifer accessed and later leaked emails from Sidney Blumenthal, an outside adviser to Clinton who regularly communicated with her.

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CLINTON: "I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department." News conference, March 2015.

THE FACTS: Comey did not address Clinton's reason for using a private server instead of a government one, but he highlighted the perils in routing sensitive information through a home server.

The FBI found that Clinton's personal server was "not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government or even with a commercial email service like Gmail," the director said.

A May 2016 audit by the State Department inspector general found there was no evidence Clinton sought or received approval to operate a private server, and that she "had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices." Courts have frowned on such a practice.

In an unrelated case, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled Tuesday that the purpose of public records law is "hardly served" when a department head "can deprive the citizens of their right to know what his department is up to" by maintaining emails on a private system.

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Associated Press writer Calvin Woodward contributed to this report.

EDITOR'S NOTE _ A look at the veracity of claims by public officials
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 06, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Seven new revelations from FBI’s Clinton probe
The Hill ^ | 07/05/16 | Julian Hattem
Posted on 7/5/2016, 2:03:20 PM by walford


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FBI Director James Comey shed new light on Hillary Clinton’s private email setup when he announced Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend charges against the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Here are some of the new details revealed by Comey.

113 emails were classified at the time they were sent

Both Clinton’s presidential campaign and the State Department have repeatedly insisted that none of the approximately 2,000 emails now considered classified was deemed sensitive at the time.   

But Comey on Tuesday said that wasn’t quite the case.

In fact, federal agencies have claimed that 113 emails in more than 50 chains contained sensitive information at the time they were sent or received by her private setup, which she kept at her home in New York. Of those, eight chains contained information considered top secret, the highest level of classification.

Three of the sensitive emails were discovered among the thousands the former secretary of State claimed were purely personal in nature and which she deleted before giving her servers to the FBI last year.

An undisclosed “very small number” of messages “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” he said, without divulging additional details.

Thousands of work emails were deleted

Clinton has previously framed the decision to delete half of her machine’s cache of approximately 60,000 messages as an effort to avoid letting her private life become public.

“I chose not to keep my private personal emails — emails about planning Chelsea's wedding or my mother's funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes,” she said in March 2015 in a widely scrutinized press conference at the United Nations.

But FBI investigators uncovered “several thousand work-related emails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton” to the State Department, Comey said on Tuesday.

The bureau found “traces” of those emails on machines connected to the private clintonemail.com domain, as well as “fragments” from decommissioned servers and from the email accounts of people who had communicated with her.

No official emails were ‘intentionally’ deleted

None of the work-related messages was intentionally deleted from Clinton’s machine as part of an effort to evade federal laws, Comey said on Tuesday.

“We found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them,” he said. “Our assessment is that, like many e-mail users, Secretary Clinton periodically deleted e-mails or e-mails were purged from the system when devices were changed.”

Both government systems and commercial services such as Yahoo or Gmail routinely archive old emails. But Clinton’s bespoke setup did not include that feature, Comey said.

While deciding which emails to preserve and which to delete, Clinton’s lawyers also used a search tool and did not go through the emails one by one, as officials from the FBI did as part of their investigation. In doing so, they may have accidentally overlooked some emails that should have been sent to the government.

“So it is not surprising that we discovered emails that were not on Secretary Clinton’s system in 2014, when she produced the 30,000 emails to the State Department,” Comey said.

There were likely more work-related emails that will never be recovered

The FBI could not recover all of the emails that Clinton deleted, so there’s a good chance that other official messages will be lost forever.

“It is also likely that there are other work-related emails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere,” Comey said.

Those messages, he added, are likely “now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.”

Clinton used more than one server and multiple mobile devices

The public narrative about Clinton’s setup is that she used a single server throughout her tenure at the State Department, which was given to the FBI as part of its investigation last year.

But the reality is somewhat more complicated. In fact, Clinton changed machines when older ones became out of date, leaving a trail of out-of-order servers behind her.

“Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain,” Comey revealed on Tuesday. “As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored and decommissioned in various ways.”

Old servers, such as one that was decommissioned in 2013, contained “email fragments” in the unused “slack” space that investigators combed to try to resurrect some of the old messages.

It's ‘possible’ she was hacked

FBI officials did not uncover any evidence that Clinton’s private setup may have been hacked by foreigners, terrorists, activists or anyone else.

But that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, according to the head of the FBI.

Hackers have targeted people she communicated with, such as longtime confidant Sidney Blumenthal, and her arrangement was relatively well-known and “readily apparent,” Comey said. 

“It is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal email account,” he said.

Anyone else might have faced administrative punishments

Clinton was let off the hook in the eyes of the law, but the FBI doesn’t want to send a message that her behavior was OK.

There was “evidence of potential violations” of laws against handling classified information, Comey said.

Just not enough to bring charges.

“Our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” he told reporters.

“To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences,” Comey added. “To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

“But that is not what we are deciding now.”

Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: andreisdaman on July 07, 2016, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Soul Crusher on June 29, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
GayBay, andreisatrans and 99% of other blacks are going to vote for her no matter what she does.   
so are you apparently....since you are bashing Trump like everyone else
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 07, 2016, 08:52:14 AM
Quote from: andreisdaman on July 07, 2016, 08:49:06 AM
so are you apparently....since you are bashing Trump like everyone else

Gary Johnson

Unlike 99% of liberal blacks - i can think for myself. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: OzmO on July 07, 2016, 09:07:17 AM
The 2 worse choices for president in history has gotten worse.   
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: andreisdaman on July 07, 2016, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: Soul Crusher on July 07, 2016, 08:52:14 AM
Gary Johnson

Unlike 99% of liberal blacks - i can think for myself. 

yeah vote for someone you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about you idiot....that'll show em!
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 07, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: James on July 08, 2016, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Soul Crusher on July 07, 2016, 08:52:14 AM
Gary Johnson

Unlike 99% of liberal blacks - i can think for myself. 

Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: chadstallion on July 08, 2016, 12:07:31 PM
FBI investigated; made their report.
just cause your butthurt because it's not the answer you were looking for; let's spend more money and have more investigations that come to same conclusion.
we moved on from the WMD and Bush; time for you to do same.
and get used to using the phrase, Madam President.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 08, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: chadstallion on July 08, 2016, 12:07:31 PM
FBI investigated; made their report.
just cause your butthurt because it's not the answer you were looking for; let's spend more money and have more investigations that come to same conclusion.
we moved on from the WMD and Bush; time for you to do same.
and get used to using the phrase, Madam President.

Are bothered at all by all the lies she told and how reckless she was with classified intel? 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: chadstallion on July 10, 2016, 12:27:08 PM
nope.
video, pissed off people; what difference does it make?
no one will tell the real reason for the attack in Libya because the CIA is involved.
someone should investigate the number of emails Bush/Cheney et al deleted in the good ole days.

reckless?
when the FBI or others can find proof emails were compromised then I'll review my opinion.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 11, 2016, 05:22:58 AM
Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie: The Quick List of Clinton’s Eight E-mail Lies (Carlos Barria/Reuters) SHARE ARTICLE ON FACEBOOKSHARE   TWEET ARTICLETWEET   PLUS ONE ARTICLE ON GOOGLE PLUS+1   PRINT ARTICLE   ADJUST FONT SIZEAA by CELINA DURGIN   July 8, 2016 4:00 AM

Actually, a truly quick list is not possible, because she told so many, so often. James Comey, the FBI director, said in a statement Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend Hillary Clinton for indictment for using a private e-mail address and server for work communication while secretary of state. But he also detailed the findings of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s private server — disproving several of eight major lies she has told multiple times since the investigation into her private server began.

Here are those eight lies, debunked.

1. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails that were classified “at the time.” Clinton told this to reporters at a press conference March 10, 2015. She repeated it at an Iowa Democratic fundraiser July 25 and at a Democratic debate February 4, 2016. Once the investigation into Clinton’s e-mails began, the FBI began retroactively classifying some of the work-related e-mails she had released. So Clinton probably opted to dodge the issue by qualifying her statement, saying that no e-mails she sent were classified “at the time.” Truth: Comey said that the FBI found at least 110 e-mails that were classified at the time Clinton sent or received them — 52 e-mail chains in all, including eight Top Secret (the highest classification level) chains.

2. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails “marked classified” at the time. Clinton made this claim most recently July 3, 2016, on Meet the Press. She first made the claim August 26, 2015, at an Iowa news conference. She repeated it at Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; at a Democratic debate March 9; at a New York news conference March 1; and on Face the Nation May 8. Clinton again appeared to spin the facts emerging in the investigation. This time, she suggested that even if the FBI were now classifying some of her e-mails, she couldn’t be held responsible since the e-mails lacked any mark of classification at the time they were sent or received. Some wondered what she even meant by “marked” classified, while others pointed out that lack of markings was no defense for mishandling the information — which the secretary of state, of all people, should have judged to be sensitive. Truth: Comey confirmed suspicions about Clinton’s claim by noting that a “small number” of the e-mails were, in fact, marked classified. Moreover, he added: “Even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

3. Lie: She turned over all of her work-related e-mails. Clinton said this on MSNBC September 4, 2015; at a Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; and at a New York press conference March 10. It’s important to remember that Clinton made this claim about the 30,000 e-mails she and her attorneys chose to provide to the State Department. After turning over paper copies of these 30,000, she and her attorneys then unilaterally deleted another 32,000 that they deemed personal. Truth: The FBI found “thousands” of work-related e-mails other than those Clinton had provided; they were in various officials’ mailboxes and in the server’s slack space. Clinton’s attorneys “did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails,” Comey said. “Instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total e-mails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014.” Though Comey denied he saw evidence of ill intent, he said: It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related e-mails, and that we later found them. . . . It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.  (Remember the “server-wipe” speculation?)

4. Lie: She wanted to use a personal e-mail account for convenience and simplicity, streamlining to one device. Clinton said she used one device on CNN July 7, 2015, and at a New York press conference March 10. Truth: Clinton used multiple servers, administrators, and mobile devices, including an iPad and a Blackberry, to access her e-mail on her personal domain. “As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways,” Comey explained. “Piecing all of that back together — to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work — has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.” 5.

Lie: Clinton’s use of a private server and e-mail domain was permitted by law and regulation. Clinton made this claim in an interview on CNN July 7, 2015; in a campaign statement in July 2015; and at the Democratic primary debates in Las Vegas on October 13, 2015. Truth: No: A May report issued by the State Department’s inspector general found that it has been department policy since 2005 that work communication be restricted to government servers. While the IG allowed for occasional use of personal e-mail in emergencies, Clinton used her personal e-mail exclusively for all work communication.

6. Lie: All of Clinton’s e-mails were immediately captured by @.gov addresses. Clinton made this claim at a New York press conference May 10, 2015. Crucially, Clinton told reporters that she exclusively used her personal e-mail because she thought her messages were always saved in the e-mail threads of senior department officials who used @.gov accounts. Truth: The State Department did not begin automatically capturing and preserving e-mails until February 2015, two years after Clinton left the State Department.

7. Lie: There were numerous safeguards against security breaches and “no evidence” of hacking. Clinton made the “safeguards” claim at a New York press conference March 10, 2015, and her former tech aide made the “no evidence” claim March 3, 2016. Truth: Among the “safeguards” of Clinton’s server were Secret Service members — but this is no safeguard at all where the Internet is concerned. Further, Comey noted: None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government — or even with a commercial service like Gmail. Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. Which is to say: Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. There is some evidence of a possible breach. Comey said: Hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account. Clinton’s “no evidence” claim is less of a bald lie than a concealment of strong possibility. She also failed to report several hacking attempts.


 8. Lie: Clinton was never served a subpoena on her e-mail use. Clinton said this in a CNN interview July 7, 2015. Truth: The next day, July 8, the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, Trey Gowdy, accused Clinton of lying about not receiving a subpoena. Gowdy said in a statement: “The committee has issued several subpoenas, but I have not sought to make them public. I would not make this one public now, but after Secretary Clinton falsely claimed the committee did not subpoena her, I have no choice in order to correct the inaccuracy.” — Celina Durgin is a Collegiate Network fellow at National Review. Did you like this?

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Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2016, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: chadstallion on July 10, 2016, 12:27:08 PM
nope.
video, pissed off people; what difference does it make?
no one will tell the real reason for the attack in Libya because the CIA is involved.
someone should investigate the number of emails Bush/Cheney et al deleted in the good ole days.

reckless?
when the FBI or others can find proof emails were compromised then I'll review my opinion.

I actually wasn't talking about her Benghazi lies (to both the public and victim's families).  I was talking about her lies regarding not sending or receiving any classified intel on her personal devices, not sending anything "marked" classified, turning over all of her work-related emails, only using one device, etc.  None of those blatant lies from someone who wants to be president bothers you?  Not even a little?? 

So reckless conduct is okay from someone who wants to be president, so long as no "harm" is done? 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: chadstallion on July 12, 2016, 11:09:42 AM
yup
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 12, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
Clinton legal team moves to block deposition in email lawsuit
By JOSH GERSTEIN 07/12/16 12:31 PM EDT
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Lawyers for Hillary Clinton are going to federal court for the first time to block efforts to force her to testify in a civil lawsuit related to her private email set-up.
Clinton's attorneys submitted a legal filing Tuesday morning in a bid to shut down a conservative group's request for an order forcing her to submit to a deposition in the midst of her presidential campaign.
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Clinton’s legal team said her testimony was unnecessary and superfluous in light of her questioning before the House Benghazi Committee last October and several State Department inquiries into the issue.
“Despite this public testimony and the various investigative reports, Judicial Watch claims that it needs to depose Secretary Clinton, a former Cabinet Secretary, about six purportedly unanswered questions," the filing states. "The record, however, already answers those questions or makes clear that Secretary Clinton has no personal knowledge to provide.”
Judicial Watch has asked to depose Clinton in a pair of Freedom of Information Act lawsuits which have raised questions about whether her private email system was created in part to avoid making messages accessible under FOIA.
“In any event, the discovery requested by Judicial Watch is futile," the filing states. "Even if this Court had authority to issue such unprecedented relief, Secretary Clinton has nothing to produce, as the server equipment used to host her @clintonemail.com account is in the possession of the FBI.”
U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan has set a hearing for Monday on the request for Clinton’s testimony in one of the suits.
Clinton's legal team has never previously intervened directly in the lawsuits, which name the State Department as defendant.
However, last year, Clinton did submit a declaration under penalty of perjury saying she'd instructed her attorneys to turn over all federal records in her possession to the State Department. Clinton said it was her belief that had been done.
The State Department is also resisting efforts to call Clinton for depositions in the suits.


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Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: chadstallion on July 12, 2016, 11:09:42 AM
yup

Sad.  This is how we end up with a string of duds in political office. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 13, 2016, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 09:29:45 AM
Sad.  This is how we end up with a string of duds in political office. 

Its a cult - been saying that forever - Hillcunt could light these peoples' mother on fire and they would be perfectly fine w it
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: Soul Crusher on July 13, 2016, 10:49:46 AM
Its a cult - been saying that forever - Hillcunt could light these peoples' mother on fire and they would be perfectly fine w it

Sure sounds like a cult. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
Both Trump and Clinton die hards are cultists.

They both have very rabid fans that don't see the reality of their candidates.

It's a disaster.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
Both Trump and Clinton die hards are cultists.

They both have very rabid fans that don't see the reality of their candidates.

It's a disaster.

I agree to a certain extent, although I don't put a lot of the Trump supporters that I've encountered in that category.  They are just fed up with the status quo and don't give a rip.  Because of that, they are willing to ignore or accept all of the bad things Trump brings to the table. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:21:29 PM
Quote from: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
I agree to a certain extent, although I don't put a lot of the Trump supporters that I've encountered in that category.  They are just fed up with the status quo and don't give a rip.  Because of that, they are willing to ignore or accept all of the bad things Trump brings to the table. 

Perhaps, but a lot of Trump's own statements seem to show cult like attitudes.

He truly could shoot someone and he wouldn't lose the base he has. He has said some vile nasty things about people and not lost one bit of support among those people.

I can't for the life of me understand that at all.

Sure, it makes for some great tag lines and oh look... he doesn't care moments, but really, leaders are supposed to care... Right?

When you go to work, as most people do, do you want to feel like your boss doesn't give a shit about you at all? That's not what leaders do.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:21:29 PM
Perhaps, but a lot of Trump's own statements seem to show cult like attitudes.

He truly could shoot someone and he wouldn't lose the base he has. He has said some vile nasty things about people and not lost one bit of support among those people.

I can't for the life of me understand that at all.

Sure, it makes for some great tag lines and oh look... he doesn't care moments, but really, leaders are supposed to care... Right?

When you go to work, as most people do, do you want to feel like your boss doesn't give a shit about you at all? That's not what leaders do.

I hear you.  Trump is the most vile person who has ever made it this far in political office IMO.  It really doesn't make sense.  Surreal. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 13, 2016, 01:29:05 PM
Bloomberg should have run 3rd party
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:27:12 PM
I hear you.  Trump is the most vile person who has ever made it this far in political office IMO.  It really doesn't make sense.  Surreal. 

I feel the same way about Hillary. I just don't get the fascination with either one.

Man, I'm not bullshitting, I would vote for damn near anyone over these two clowns.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
I feel the same way about Hillary. I just don't get the fascination with either one.

Man, I'm not bullshitting, I would vote for damn near anyone over these two clowns.

Unbelievable.

Yeah.  Republicans are so friggin stupid.  They had several vastly superior options.  But something different is happening. 
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 01:39:38 PM
Yeah.  Republicans are so friggin stupid.  They had several vastly superior options.  But something different is happening.  

They did! So many better options.

Question... Do you feel that the Republican party was Highjacked in some way?
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 01:43:17 PM
They did! So many better options.

Question... Do you feel that the Republican party was Highjacked in some way?

Yeah, pretty much.  A minority of Republican voters made this decision.  The anti-Trump vote was enormous. 

I talked to a delegate who is getting on the plane today headed to the convention and he's holding out hope that they can deny Trump the nomination.  Not going to happen, but there are a lot of delegates who agree with him.   
Title: Re: Clintons email story gets harder to believe
Post by: TuHolmes on July 13, 2016, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
Yeah, pretty much.  A minority of Republican voters made this decision.  The anti-Trump vote was enormous. 

I talked to a delegate who is getting on the plane today headed to the convention and he's holding out hope that they can deny Trump the nomination.  Not going to happen, but there are a lot of delegates who agree with him.   

If they do, they get my vote.