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Title: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: NickEdge779 on July 09, 2016, 05:57:49 PM
Instead of starting a gay supplement like Gifted Nutrition and travel around the world every weekend to go to expos to promote their brand, why don't they just eat, train, and sleep all day and email their clients contest prep diets and drug stacks etc. Do you know how much money Phil Heath would make if he sold diets and drug regimes to 18 year old kids? He could charge an astronomical amount and people would still buy his service. I'd rather sit on my couch and email people all day making millions, than travel to expos selling my fart powders to poser bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Spike on July 09, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Training people is tedious as shit, boring ,either you or your gym needs some sort of liability insurance , and if you're in a gym a lot it's a bitch waiting around for some fckwit to show up

Smart IFBB pros either have a supplement shop, inherited wealth, or you just 'work hard' like branch and money is just there


Personal training is busy work - why most trainers don't train hard or are really big dudes - you have to be personable to attract and retain clients, most aren't ,you have to wait for people to get up or get off work , schedule is shit , can't eat and get enough meals in, and when you train and bust ass you don't want to stick around for some skinny bro with low T and HRT test thinking he's superman to come in and tell you he's going to be your size after 6mknths training with you so he needs no more than 12 sessions ---

Easier to sell fart powder and bro diets online , as would be to charge old dudes for 'fruit bowls ' and 'goatses'
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: epic_alien on July 09, 2016, 07:14:26 PM
^^^perfect and spot on

training people is like raising some giant infant  baby. but they are adults
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: WOOO on July 09, 2016, 07:19:42 PM
men working as personal trainers for men may be in the gayest job in history...


nothing wrong with being gay


just saying

no homo
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: SF1900 on July 09, 2016, 08:13:25 PM
Training people is tedious as shit, boring ,either you or your gym needs some sort of liability insurance , and if you're in a gym a lot it's a bitch waiting around for some fckwit to show up

Smart IFBB pros either have a supplement shop, inherited wealth, or you just 'work hard' like branch and money is just there


Personal training is busy work - why most trainers don't train hard or are really big dudes - you have to be personable to attract and retain clients, most aren't ,you have to wait for people to get up or get off work , schedule is shit , can't eat and get enough meals in, and when you train and bust ass you don't want to stick around for some skinny bro with low T and HRT test thinking he's superman to come in and tell you he's going to be your size after 6mknths training with you so he needs no more than 12 sessions ---

Easier to sell fart powder and bro diets online , as would be to charge old dudes for 'fruit bowls ' and 'goatses'

Most gyms have a 24-hour cancellation policy and will charge your credit/debit card if you don't cancel in that time period. So, you still get paid for waiting around.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Anglo on July 10, 2016, 01:15:31 AM

Apart from highly technical athletics or olympic weightlifting, surely after one month of "personal training" the trainee should be equipped with the knowledge to never need the "service" again?

It's Mind boggling how folk stay with trainers for years, u$ually being led up the garden path.

Does one need guitar lessions ad infinitum?
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: rocket on July 10, 2016, 03:05:28 AM
I think it's fairly obvious that people often stay with trainers because they are unable to muster the motivation to train or think too much about training, themselves.

And generally, because they can - because they can afford it.  So whatever.. it's not the worst way for them to spend their money, I guess.

The regulars that I see train with trainers have basically looked the same for like 5 years :-/  Same potbelly they walked in with when they started.

I don't blame the trainer.  He can only take the money and give his advice.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Anglo on July 10, 2016, 04:39:36 AM
Very true, in cases where there an individual lacks motivation and their health is at risk a good trainer can make a life changing difference.

Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Azzaro on July 10, 2016, 05:34:44 AM
Apart from highly technical athletics or olympic weightlifting, surely after one month of "personal training" the trainee should be equipped with the knowledge to never need the "service" again?

It's Mind boggling how folk stay with trainers for years, u$ually being led up the garden path.

Does one need guitar lessions ad infinitum?

X1000
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on July 10, 2016, 05:40:40 AM
Training people is tedious as shit, boring ,either you or your gym needs some sort of liability insurance , and if you're in a gym a lot it's a bitch waiting around for some fckwit to show up

Smart IFBB pros either have a supplement shop, inherited wealth, or you just 'work hard' like branch and money is just there


Personal training is busy work - why most trainers don't train hard or are really big dudes - you have to be personable to attract and retain clients, most aren't ,you have to wait for people to get up or get off work , schedule is shit , can't eat and get enough meals in, and when you train and bust ass you don't want to stick around for some skinny bro with low T and HRT test thinking he's superman to come in and tell you he's going to be your size after 6mknths training with you so he needs no more than 12 sessions ---

Easier to sell fart powder and bro diets online , as would be to charge old dudes for 'fruit bowls ' and 'goatses'

Liability insurance is like $150/year, aka not a factor.  The rest is spot on though
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: dj181 on July 10, 2016, 05:49:09 AM
men working as personal trainers for men may be in the gayest job in history...


nothing wrong with being gay


just saying

no homo

welcome back bro

i worked as a fit trainer for a few years, and it was mostly like being a psychotherapist or some such shit as the vast majority of clients would just come and bitch and moan about different shit throughout the session

i had just a few clients who really worked hard and basically wanted to improve thier sport performance, like jumping ability, speed, strength/power and those clients were cool to work with but they were rare

my gym had 2 very busy trainers who were there from 6 am till 8/10 pm and almost all of thier fucking clients looked the same for years and years, never making any kind of change or improvement WTF  ??? ??? ??? guess they just wanted someone to bitch and moan to a few days a week
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Fortress on July 10, 2016, 06:39:31 AM
Being a PT is like being a babysitter/party host/motivator. I've done it, as have many others here. It's draining. Mostly expending your own energy to maintain enthusiasm because your client hates being there.

The odd time a middle-aged broad will take a shine to you and suck on your cock in a barren corridor in the empty back rooms. But, ahem, I wouldn't know much about that.

Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Parker on July 10, 2016, 06:53:32 AM
We all know that Charles Glass trains people. And apparently Mike Francois trains people. And apparently permabulker Trey Brewer trains people as well. When Flex Wheeler retired (the second time) he was offering packages for training services over the phone. Chris Cormier trains people as well (remember there was something on him supposedly stealing Glass' clients), he had trained Vida Guerra. And Dex and his woman have a training program for women getting into bikini competitions.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: LittleJ on July 10, 2016, 07:06:07 AM
Coach trains people.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Anglo on July 10, 2016, 12:05:25 PM
We all know that Charles Glass trains people. And apparently Mike Francois trains people. And apparently permabulker Trey Brewer trains people as well. When Flex Wheeler retired (the second time) he was offering packages for training services over the phone. Chris Cormier trains people as well (remember there was something on him supposedly stealing Glass' clients), he had trained Vida Guerra. And Dex and his woman have a training program for women getting into bikini competitions.

Training professional bodybuilders who, by definition are already maxing their genetic potential, supplement use and volume of steroids is laughable.

The best a "Trainer to the pros" can be is a hookup for pharma grade roids and maybe the odd recommendation for a post workout cam session  :D

Pro Trainers like Meadows who target the gullable with voodoo are slightly different.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Anglo on July 10, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Coach trains people.

Coach may have specific knowledge and niche area of expertise!
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 10, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
Coach trains people.

Lol
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Bevo on July 10, 2016, 03:29:49 PM
We all know that Charles Glass trains people. And apparently Mike Francois trains people. And apparently permabulker Trey Brewer trains people as well. When Flex Wheeler retired (the second time) he was offering packages for training services over the phone. Chris Cormier trains people as well (remember there was something on him supposedly stealing Glass' clients), he had trained Vida Guerra. And Dex and his woman have a training program for women getting into bikini competitions.

They don't really train "regular" people all of them are either pros or amat bbers

They should all just do g4p
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 10, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
Evan Centopani does train people at his gym powerhouse New haven

If y'all want me to I will book a session with him
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Never1AShow on July 10, 2016, 04:10:26 PM
Evan Centopani does train people at his gym powerhouse New haven

If y'all want me to I will book a session with him

You might get smacked in the face.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 10, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
could u book the session and log it on here? I'd contribute some funds to pay for the session
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: FREAKgeek on July 10, 2016, 04:52:31 PM
Instead of starting a gay supplement like Gifted Nutrition and travel around the world every weekend to go to expos to promote their brand, why don't they just eat, train, and sleep all day and email their clients contest prep diets and drug stacks etc. Do you know how much money Phil Heath would make if he sold diets and drug regimes to 18 year old kids? He could charge an astronomical amount and people would still buy his service. I'd rather sit on my couch and email people all day making millions, than travel to expos selling my fart powders to poser bodybuilders.

no other professional athlete trains joes off the street, that would look ghetto. Encouraging drug use to young adults would look bad too, it's underground for a reason.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: BayGBM on July 10, 2016, 07:42:30 PM
Apart from highly technical athletics or olympic weightlifting, surely after one month of "personal training" the trainee should be equipped with the knowledge to never need the "service" again?

It's Mind boggling how folk stay with trainers for years, u$ually being led up the garden path.

Does one need guitar lessions ad infinitum?


x2.  ::)
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 10, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
Apart from highly technical athletics or olympic weightlifting, surely after one month of "personal training" the trainee should be equipped with the knowledge to never need the "service" again?

It's Mind boggling how folk stay with trainers for years, u$ually being led up the garden path.

Does one need guitar lessions ad infinitum?

Most " regular"  joes and janes   who get personal trainers are looking more for motivation than anything else.

As for knowing everything after 1 month? I've been working out for nearly 20 years and there's still stuff I experiment with and learn from online videos and articles.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 10, 2016, 07:50:21 PM
Most " regular"  joes and janes   who get personal trainers are looking more for motivation than anything else.

As for knowing everything after 1 month? I've been working out for nearly 20 years and there's still stuff I experiment with and learn from online videos and articles.

OnLine Videos? Exactly What Was It That You've Learned From OnLine Videos?
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 10, 2016, 08:06:32 PM
OnLine Videos? Exactly What Was It That You've Learned From OnLine Videos?

How to military press properly.

I didn't quite get the hang of it when I was in the Navy.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 10, 2016, 08:12:32 PM
How to military press properly.

I didn't quite get the hang of it when I was in the Navy.

If You Learned How To Do It From An OnLine Video, Then You Still Don't Know How To Do It Right.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 10, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
......probably because there are no "IFFB" pro's ::)
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on July 11, 2016, 08:46:07 AM
If You Learned How To Do It From An OnLine Video, Then You Still Don't Know How To Do It Right.

There are plenty of guys strong as hell showing proper form for this life online, including Paul CArter, Jim Wendler, and Christian Thibaudeu. Not to mention a ton of articles on the lift.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on July 11, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
How to military press properly.

I didn't quite get the hang of it when I was in the Navy.

at least you didnt have to go through your #my personal hell like this guy  ;D

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/1692kpw.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=581102.0;attach=651421;image)

Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 11, 2016, 10:39:54 AM
There are plenty of guys strong as hell showing proper form for this life online, including Paul CArter, Jim Wendler, and Christian Thibaudeu. Not to mention a ton of articles on the lift.

And If One Of Those Guys, Who Really Does Know How To Lift, On YouTube, Would Come Over To Your Gym, And Watch You Lift, And Critique Your Form, To Show You What You Are Doing Wrong, Then Maybe You'll Learn To Lift Correctly Too. And That Goes Double For The Military Press.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 11, 2016, 11:09:18 AM
Most " regular"  joes and janes   who get personal trainers are looking more for motivation than anything else.

As for knowing everything after 1 month? I've been working out for nearly 20 years and there's still stuff I experiment with and learn from online videos and articles.

x2.

The occasional PT session is motivating and there's always more to learn.

Heck, when I did re-hab for my knee, the PT specialized in strongman and HS athletic enhancement.   Totally changed everything for me.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 11, 2016, 11:47:31 AM
at least you didnt have to go through your #my personal hell like this guy  ;D

Just to be clear, I was never in the Navy. It was a joke referencing something that triggered a massive meltdown for Erik C about a year and a half ago.

As for specific things I picked up online that I did not know my first month of training?  A few things that come to mind: the pre-exhaust principle, something I heard mentioned in an Aaron Clark video not more than 2 years ago, but I now institute it in my workouts and it has had a big impact. I learned about front squats online. This was years ago, but I  almost never see guys do these in the gym, so they're not something I would have just picked up by going to the gym regularly for a month. I prefer them to regular squats. Also, I've talked about how I'm a big believer in angles in previous posts. Not too long ago, maybe about 3 or 4 years ago, I was looking for different bicep angles  with dumbbells and  decided to start doing  decline bicep curls after seeing a Steve Kuclo video. It's not a new or little known exercise, but it's not something I'd been doing and just seeing it while I was looking for that specific information  inspired me to add it to my workout.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 11, 2016, 12:37:07 PM
Just to be clear, I was never in the Navy. It was a joke referencing something that triggered a massive meltdown for Erik C about a year and a half ago.

As for specific things I picked up online that I did not know my first month of training?  A few things that come to mind: the pre-exhaust principle, something I heard mentioned in an Aaron Clark video not more than 2 years ago, but I now institute it in my workouts and it has had a big impact. I learned about front squats online. This was years ago, but I  almost never see guys do these in the gym, so they're not something I would have just picked up by going to the gym regularly for a month. I prefer them to regular squats. Also, I've talked about how I'm a big believer in angles in previous posts. Not too long ago, maybe about 3 or 4 years ago, I was looking for different bicep angles  with dumbbells and  decided to start doing  decline bicep curls after seeing a Steve Kuclo video. It's not a new or little known exercise, but it's not something I'd been doing and just seeing it while I was looking for that specific information  inspired me to add it to my workout.

Decline Biceps Curls? You Mean Decline Triceps Extensions! You Really Are Full Of Shit.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 11, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
Decline Biceps Curls? You Mean Decline Triceps Extensions! You Really Are Full Of Shit.
::)
(http://www.menshealth.com/sites/menshealth.com/files/styles/slideshow-desktop/public/images/slideshow2/5-decline-db-curls.jpg?itok=s0U3krQa)

Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 11, 2016, 01:02:01 PM
::)
(http://www.menshealth.com/sites/menshealth.com/files/styles/slideshow-desktop/public/images/slideshow2/5-decline-db-curls.jpg?itok=s0U3krQa)


Oh, You Meant Prone Incline Dumbbell Curls?

Really Stupid Of You To Not Know The Difference Between Incline And Decline.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 11, 2016, 06:42:09 PM
And Pre-Exhaustion Of Muscles, LOL! That Ranks Right Up There With Muscle Confusion, LOL! You're Clueless!
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on July 11, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
::)
(http://www.menshealth.com/sites/menshealth.com/files/styles/slideshow-desktop/public/images/slideshow2/5-decline-db-curls.jpg?itok=s0U3krQa)



those are really good, doing them here and there among other angles/curls
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 11, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
Oh, You Meant Prone Incline Dumbbell Curls?

Really Stupid Of You To Not Know The Difference Between Incline And Decline.
That's a common name for that exercise. Many exercises have more than one name.The pic is hotlinked from the men's health website and the title of the pic is  "/5-decline-db-curls.jpg".


Man, you are going to be in the psyche ward before the start of September.  :-\


Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 11, 2016, 10:42:50 PM
That's a common name for that exercise. Many exercises have more than one name.The pic is hotlinked from the men's health website and the title of the pic is  "/5-decline-db-curls.jpg".


Man, you are going to be in the psyche ward before the start of September.  :-\




That's not a decline no matter who says it is.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 11, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
That's not a decline no matter who says it is.

If you face forward, it's an incline. If you face backwards, it's a decline.

If you were standing up and your back was angled in that position, you would be described as bending over, not facing upwards. I don't even see how this is debatable.

Regardless of semantics, if you google image "decline dumbbell curls", the first three images are this exercise. The top ten are half of this exercise and half of incline dumbbell curls, so that is one of its common names. The fact that there is even debate over what it is called reinforces my original point about it not being something you'd learn in the first month of going to a gym.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 11, 2016, 11:14:19 PM
If you face forward, it's an incline. If you face backwards, it's a decline.

If you were standing up and your back was angled in that position, you would be described as bending over, not facing upwards. I don't even see how this is debatable.

Regardless of semantics, if you google image "decline dumbbell curls", the first three images are this exercise. The top ten are half of this exercise and half of incline dumbbell curls, so that is one of its common names. The fact that there is even debate over what it is called reinforces my original point about it not being something you'd learn in the first month of going to a gym.

If you face forward it just becomes chest supported. I've been training for over 40 years. This exercise has been around at least that long. I don't need a google image written by some 20 something to tell me otherwise. If I have someone do a chest supported row am I going to tell them to do a "decline chest supported row? No, because all of the blood would rush to their head because their head would be in a DECLINE position.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 11, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
If you face forward it just becomes chest supported. I've been training for over 40 years. This exercise has been around at least that long. I don't need a google image written by some 20 something to tell me otherwise. If I have someone do a chest supported row am I going to tell them to do a "decline chest supported row? No, because all of the blood would rush to their head because their head would be in a DECLINE position.
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 :-\ I feel like this argument exceeds my threshold for triviality.  I literally couldn't give less of a fuck what anybody calls that exercise.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: chokeslam on July 12, 2016, 12:58:40 AM
Training professional bodybuilders who, by definition are already maxing their genetic potential, supplement use and volume of steroids is laughable.

The best a "Trainer to the pros" can be is a hookup for pharma grade roids and maybe the odd recommendation for a post workout cam session  :D

Pro Trainers like Meadows who target the gullable with voodoo are slightly different.

You forgot to add babysitting to the list.

Most of these people have the mentality of children at best. Can't think or act for themselves and need constant guidance and reassurance. Maybe drug and schmoe hookups too.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 12, 2016, 04:02:03 AM
That's a common name for that exercise. Many exercises have more than one name.The pic is hotlinked from the men's health website and the title of the pic is  "/5-decline-db-curls.jpg".


Man, you are going to be in the psyche ward before the start of September.  :-\




Oooh! "Men's Health!" The Gold Standard Of Lifting Knowledge! How Are Those Worthless Ab Exercises Of The Month Working For You? You Must Have A "Rocky Road" 8 Pack, LOL!
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 12, 2016, 04:08:25 AM
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 :-\ I feel like this argument exceeds my threshold for triviality.  I literally couldn't give less of a fuck what anybody calls that exercise.

That's Because You Have No Standards For Reality. A Knowledgeable Person Would Be Able To Accurately Describe An Exercise That They Are Recommending, Regardless Of How Many Others Incorrectly Describe It.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: rocco-x on July 12, 2016, 04:17:37 AM
I think it's fairly obvious that people often stay with trainers because they are unable to muster the motivation to train or think too much about training, themselves.

And generally, because they can - because they can afford it.  So whatever.. it's not the worst way for them to spend their money, I guess.

The regulars that I see train with trainers have basically looked the same for like 5 years :-/  Same potbelly they walked in with when they started.

I don't blame the trainer.  He can only take the money and give his advice.

a lot of the women in my area that have PTs have a shitload of money and are JAPs.milk them for all they hand over.most don't even go to the gym they have trainers come to their $4-5 million aptmnts on the upper west side.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Al Doggity on July 12, 2016, 07:50:38 AM
That's Because You Have No Standards For Reality.

No, it's because I do have standards for reality and I realized this is a stupid argument.  Feel free to continue. Will fit right in with the rest of your garbage posts.
Title: Re: Why don't IFFB Pro's Train People?
Post by: Erik C on July 12, 2016, 08:36:25 AM
No, it's because I do have standards for reality and I realized this is a stupid argument.  Feel free to continue. Will fit right in with the rest of your garbage posts.

No, It's Because You Were Wrong, And Totally Stupid, And You Refuse To Admit That, So You Have No Standards, And No Grasp On Reality.