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Even the haters know it's a foregone conclusion that Phil will win again.
There has been a lack of competition for years now -- no "battle" whatsoever.
Sure Ronnie was a better bodybuilder, but at least he could be beat. Phillip, on the other hand, has to beat Branch, a 50 year old Levrone, and a 60 year old Dexter.
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That doesn't spell dominance. That spells lack of competition.
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Neither Arnold nor Dorian ever bitched about "haters"
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Even the haters know it's a foregone conclusion that Phil will win again.
There has been a lack of competition for years now -- no "battle" whatsoever.
Sure Ronnie was a better bodybuilder, but at least he could be beat. Phillip, on the other hand, has to beat Branch, a 50 year old Levrone, and a 60 year old Dexter.
It has nothing to do with being dominant. The depth of field sucks today, that's why Phil has won so many times.
Send Phil back into the mid-90's... could he win even one Mr. O? I doubt it.
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Even the haters know it's a foregone conclusion that Phil will win again.
There has been a lack of competition for years now -- no "battle" whatsoever.
Sure Ronnie was a better bodybuilder, but at least he could be beat. Phillip, on the other hand, has to beat Branch, a 50 year old Levrone, and a 60 year old Dexter.
No Dorian is and always will be. It's a fact.
Dorian win/loss percentage is 88.2% , Phil's is 64.7% even lower than Haneys which is 68.8% , Ronnie's win/loss is 39.4% ( worse than Chris Dickerson )
Dorian NEVER placed below 2nd place in ANY pro show. The lowest Phil placed was 5th. It took Phil 6 years to win the Olympia , it took Dorian 3 years. Dorian place second in his first Olympia , Phil 3rd.
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The sport is dead so Phil can have it now I guess
Not watching Mr O unless Kevin is in it
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Second only to Dickerson.
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#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
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#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
Vince Goodrum: 0 pro wins, 0 amateur wins, 0 successful businesses, 0 women satisfied
Vince Basile: 1 "win" (Mr Canada 1970 oh, brother), 0 blue stars
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cedric mcmillan can beat phil
he's been off too a couple times
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cedric mcmillan can beat phil
he's been off too a couple times
I think the only one who could is Kai. Vic and Cedric maybe but both are past their primes , same with Dexter although he's been holding up well.
Phil gets a lot of heat but he really is the best of his generation. The guy delivers , he's pretty complete and come in good shape
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#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
No one but you cares about these percentages. No one but you pulls this stuff up. Greatness is measured by Sandows, competition and overall physique. Seeing how the judging in the IFBB has a history of corruption, using percentages is hardly an accurate unit of measure. I prefer to use my own eyes. Dorian winning with torn muscles, wide waist and gut tells me what I need to know about judging.
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(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5851623&d=1370871928)
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cedric still looks like this
phil does not
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No one but you cares about these percentages. No one but you pulls this stuff up. Greatness is measured by Sandows, competition and overall physique. Seeing how the judging in the IFBB has a history of corruption, using percentages is hardly an accurate unit of measure. I prefer to use my own eyes. Dorian winning with torn muscles, wide waist and gut tells me what I need to know about judging.
If the stats said Haney was #1 you'd care plenty. But they don't so they're useless to you. Whatever. Haney was great , Haney 8 straight retired in the best shape of his life. Great man , Great champ. Most dominate? No.
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To clarify, I was not referring to winningest over a career, but just their reign as Mr. O.
As far as dominating the Mr. O is concerned, of course this is partly due to lack of competition.
Pity the 18 year old who considers a "career" in pro bodybuilding. That is the state of our "sport."
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If the stats said Haney was #1 you'd care plenty. But they don't so they're useless to you. Whatever. Haney was great , Haney 8 straight retired in the best shape of his life. Great man , Great champ. Most dominate? No.
Haney is number 1. He has the most Sandows while losing the least. Lets not forget he beat the so called most dominant Mr. O in the meantime. Dorian is first tier Mr. O for sure but you shouldn't be winning titles with torn muscles, guts and wide waists. Dorian was the beginning of the end of great bodybuilding.
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Haney is number 1. He has the most Sandows while losing the least. Lets not forget he beat the so called most dominant Mr. O in the meantime. Dorian is first tier Mr. O for sure but you shouldn't be winning titles with torn muscles, guts and waists. Dorian was the beginning of the end of great bodybuilding.
Most Sandows? Arnold could have won 10 or more if he wanted to. Doesn't say much. Haney was chasing Arnold's record. Arnold set the record to chase. And Haney LOST the muscularity round to Yates who was in his first Olympia contest ever despite being 10lbs lighter and being his only third pro show. Dorian forced Lee to retire! You can make a case that Dorian ' ruined ' bodybuilding but doesn't change facts. Dorian is the most dominant bodybuilder of all time.
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Most Sandows? Arnold could have won 10 or more if he wanted to. Doesn't say much. Haney was chasing Arnold's record. Arnold set the record to chase. And Haney LOST the muscularity round to Yates who was in his first Olympia contest ever despite being 10lbs lighter and being his only third pro show. Dorian forced Lee to retire! You can make a case that Dorian ' ruined ' bodybuilding but doesn't change facts. Dorian is the most dominant bodybuilder of all time.
Let me stop you before you even start. Let's keep this to actual history vs. would haves and could haves.
Next, it doesn't matter who lost what round. What matters in the end is who won. Dorian did not force Haney to retire. That is your opinion.
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Haney is number 1. He has the most Sandows while losing the least. Lets not forget he beat the so called most dominant Mr. O in the meantime. Dorian is first tier Mr. O for sure but you shouldn't be winning titles with torn muscles, guts and wide waists. Dorian was the beginning of the end of great bodybuilding.
Don't kid yourself. Haney is the coolest, most decent Olympia ever, but Arnold DOMINATED that contest like no other. '70 to '80, if he wanted, eleven f'n titles. No one else comes close.
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Let me stop you before you even start. Let's keep this to actual history vs. would haves and could haves.
Next, it doesn't matter who lost what round. What matters in the end is who won. Dorian did not force Haney to retire. That is your opinion.
Let me stop you before you even start. Let's keep this to actual history vs. would haves and could haves.
Actual history? Dorian win/loss proves that in actual history was more dominant.
Next, it doesn't matter who lost what round. What matters in the end is who won. Dorian did not force Haney to retire. That is your opinion.
Haney said in his acceptance speech he just learned how to peak the day of the contest and eluded he wasn't going to retire. Why do you think he did? ;) We both know why , Dorian 1993 would have left Haney for dead.
And it does matter who lost what round. Haney in the best shape of his life LOST the muscularity round , front & rear lat spreads , front & rear double biceps , side chest , side triceps , ab-thigh LOST to Dorian , in his 2nd fucking pro show to a guy 10 pounds lighter LMAO that speaks volumes. Haney read the writing on the wall , he had everything to lose and nothing to gain by facing Dorian , you bet your ass Dorian was a factor in him retiring.
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Don't kid yourself, dummy. Haney is the,coolest, most decent Olympia ever, but Arnold DOMINATED that contest like no other. '70 to '80, if he wanted, eleven f'n titles. No one else comes close.
Arnold could have won from 1970 until probably 1984 if he wanted to. He knew there was no money in it , wanted to be a star. Arnold is bodybuilding , nobody beyond a few people know who Haney is.
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Haney is number 1. He has the most Sandows while losing the least. Lets not forget he beat the so called most dominant Mr. O in the meantime. Dorian is first tier Mr. O for sure but you shouldn't be winning titles with torn muscles, guts and wide waists. Dorian was the beginning of the end of great bodybuilding.
Everyone here claims the 90s were the best an most competitive era in BB.
And Yates dominated that era.
Nothing against Haney, but his main competition was Gaspari. Not even close to what Yates had to defend.
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Everyone here claims the 90s were the best an most competitive era in BB.
And Yates dominated that era.
Nothing against Haney, but his main competition was Gaspari. Not even close to what Yates had to defend.
It's funny you say that because they said if Yates never came around Flex Wheeler would have probably beaten Haney. And great point , Haney's main competition was guys who were much lighter & smaller. Christain was taller , lighter and had zero legs. Demey was great but again to lean to compete.
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Arnold could have won from 1970 until probably 1984 if he wanted to. He knew there was no money in it , wanted to be a star. Arnold is bodybuilding , nobody beyond a few people know who Haney is.
This.
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That doesn't spell dominance. That spells lack of competition.
Bingo
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Bingo
What's the difference?
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Arnold likes the girls you don't take to the beach.
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Arnold likes the girls you don't take to find washed up on the beach.
Faxed.
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Larry Scott was the most dominant Mr.Olympia. He never lost at the Olympia
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Larry Scott was the most dominant Mr.Olympia. He never lost at the Olympia
He's not the most dominant although he won it on his first try lol
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He's not the most dominant although he won it on his first try lol
Of course he's not,but statistically he has a winning percentage of 100 there.
The only reason he won it on the first try is because they created it when he was at his peak.
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#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
So if Phil Heat retired after his first year as a pro ( 2 pro wins,2 pro contests) he would have been the most dominant? What a bad decision to stay ;D
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Arnold could have won from 1970 until probably 1984 if he wanted to. He knew there was no money in it , wanted to be a star. Arnold is bodybuilding , nobody beyond a few people know who Haney is.
A 1980 version of Arnold would no way have beat a 1984 version of Haney.
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Everyone here claims the 90s were the best an most competitive era in BB.
And Yates dominated that era.
Nothing against Haney, but his main competition was Gaspari. Not even close to what Yates had to defend.
Gaspari and Labrada and Benaziza (later years) were Haney's strongest competition at the time. You could throw Demay, Christian and Paris into the mix as well. Guys like Beckles, Robinson (Robbie) and Fox were all out of their prime. So yes, Dorian's competition was far greater and far deeper than what came before or after.
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A 1980 version of Arnold would no way have beat a 1984 version of Haney.
What are you basing that on?
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That doesn't spell dominance. That spells lack of competition.
Who would a competitor dominate other than their competition?
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Arnold could have won from 1970 until probably 1984 if he wanted to. He knew there was no money in it , wanted to be a star. Arnold is bodybuilding , nobody beyond a few people know who Haney is.
Arnold is famous for being an actor not a bodybuilder, if Haney had gone into movies and had been as successful at it as Arnold he would be as well known as Arnold.
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'Dominant'? Rather 'beta' when I hear him bitching & complaining on 'social' media :D
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Arnold is famous for being an actor not a bodybuilder, if Haney had gone into movies and had been as successful at it as Arnold he would be as well known as Arnold.
Yes --- only Haney didn't, And He Isn't.
Your wrong also as most people do know Arnold for his 'Bodybuilding / Muscleman Physique'
& Mr Universe Etc Plus his Film Fame & Political Fame.
Great going for a boy from Austria with an unpronounceable name.
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Yes --- only Haney didn't, And He Isn't.
Your wrong also as most people do know Arnold for his 'Bodybuilding / Muscleman Physique'
& Mr Universe Etc Plus his Film Fame & Political Fame.
Great going for a boy from Austria with an unpronounceable name.
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He was an actor and politician who did bodybuilding, fuck me, no one cares about his bodybuilding only bodybuilders.
Sean Connery was a bodybuilder who competed but didn't have a huge build when he started acting, he didn't use bodybuilding to get where he was, Arnold did.
If you ask anyone what titles Arnold won they may hazard a guess at Mr Universe, not many people will tell you he was an Olympia winner, its because no one outside bodybuilding has ever heard of Mr Olympia.
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He was an actor and politician who did bodybuilding, fuck me, no one cares about his bodybuilding only bodybuilders.
Sean Connery was a bodybuilder who competed but didn't have a huge build when he started acting, he didn't use bodybuilding to get where he was, Arnold did.
If you ask anyone what titles Arnold won they may hazard a guess at Mr Universe, not many people will tell you he was an Olympia winner, its because no one outside bodybuilding has ever heard of Mr Olympia.
So they're ignorant of bodybuilding competitions. Not of the fact that Arnold was a bodybuilder.
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'Dominant'? Rather 'beta' when I hear him bitching & complaining on 'social' media :D
He has to confront all his "haters" ::)
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The epitome of physical domination, going for 10 Olympia titles 8)
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He has to confront all his "haters" ::)
Haha yeah, from behind a screen
#smallclaviclesmatter
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Yea u ask anyone to name a famous bodybuilder they'll most likely say arnold. you don't have to know the titles and ins and outs
So they're ignorant of bodybuilding competitions. Not of the fact that Arnold was a bodybuilder.
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Most Sandows? Arnold could have won 10 or more if he wanted to. Doesn't say much. Haney was chasing Arnold's record. Arnold set the record to chase. And Haney LOST the muscularity round to Yates who was in his first Olympia contest ever despite being 10lbs lighter and being his only third pro show. Dorian forced Lee to retire! You can make a case that Dorian ' ruined ' bodybuilding but doesn't change facts. Dorian is the most dominant bodybuilder of all time.
The only thing you are wrong on is why Haney retired. His wife had enough. I talked to Lee about 10 years ago and asked him if he missed competing he said every time he gets out of the shower. He said that he was thinking about getting in shape to guest pose the GNC show but I think they canceled it. He jokingly said something about his wife letting him do it.
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The only thing you are wrong on is why Haney retired. His wife had enough. I talked to Lee about 10 years ago and asked him if he missed competing he said every time he gets out of the shower. He said that he was thinking about getting in shape to guest pose the GNC show but I think they canceled it. He jokingly said something about his wife letting him do it.
This is a quote from Lee at the conclusion of the 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.
He retired needless to say , No one can say with a straight face Dorian wasn't part of the reason he retired. He was smart to do so. Retired in the best shape of his life undefeated set a record , smart man. Great champ.
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This is a quote from Lee at the conclusion of the 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.
He retired needless to say , No one can say with a straight face Dorian wasn't part of the reason he retired. He was smart to do so. Retired in the best shape of his life undefeated set a record , smart man. Great champ.
Used to speak to Wayne a lot few years back. He said the first thing that Lee's wife said to him at the show after Lee won was "he's done". It was his health that she was most concerned with. Come on man Lee knew what these guys were starting to do. Do you think he wanted to start using massive amount of GH and slin just to win a couple more Sandows?
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Being the narrowest Mr O ever is an achievement too.....let's praise him for that.
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Probably one of the most forgettable.....
Phil Who..??