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Title: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Cop doesn't even know the law, and he doesn't care what the Supreme Court of the United States says about the law (at 52 seconds). Gets owned by his own sergeant.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 14, 2016, 02:55:46 PM
That cop had to eat crow. lol
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
That cop had to eat crow. lol

This happens A LOT!! Most cops do not even know the law. How horrible is that? They should make ALL cops take an exam about US History, laws and the constitution, before becoming cops.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 05:45:50 PM
Open Carry Expert Schools A Rookie Cop

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 14, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
Yes. Most people should be experts in their craft, especially in jobs like these. Thing is, with most government jobs, it's relatively easy to get hired and near impossible to get fired. Privatize everything, and make the best compete for the job. That way, you'd weed out dipshits who don't really care anyway.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 06:08:43 PM
Yes. Most people should be experts in their craft, especially in jobs like these. Thing is, with most government jobs, it's relatively easy to get hired and near impossible to get fired. Privatize everything, and make the best compete for the job. That way, you'd weed out dipshits who don't really care anyway.

Cops should be required to pass a 250 question test about US Law. Furthermore, like many other professions, cops should only be granted a "license" to become a cop if they pass this test. Most other professions (doctor, dentist, social worker/psychologist, speech-language pathologist, nurse, etc) have to pass a test that is specifically geared toward their job. As such, cops should be required to pass a 250-question test about US Law!

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Erik C on July 14, 2016, 06:11:09 PM
Cops should be required to pass a 250 question test about US Law. Furthermore, like many other professions, cops should only be granted a "license" to become a cop if they pass this test. Most other professions (doctor, dentist, social worker/psychologist, speech-language pathologist, nurse, etc) have to pass a test that is specifically geared toward their job. As such, cops should be required to pass a 250-question test about US Law!



Then Blacks And Hispanics Wouldn't Be Able To Become Cops!
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 06:24:27 PM
Awesome. The snotty douche knows more about drone law than a beat cop. Chalk one up for the kunts.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
Some obama haters believe the cop should have received a handjob to relive him of the stress.

It's our patriotic duty to let police sodomize us.  Makes their job easier.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 06:55:14 PM
Some obama haters believe the cop should have received a handjob to relive him of the stress.

It's our patriotic duty to let police sodomize us.  Makes their job easier.

Yes, that poor cop must have been under a ton of stress, and forgot the law.

Good thing he had a civilian to remind him of the law.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
Some obama haters believe the cop should have received a handjob to relive him of the stress.

It's our patriotic duty to let police sodomize us.  Makes their job easier.

Some people go their whole lives with no CCW. Others are terrified, fragile twats who arm themselves at 22.

240, your opinion?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 07:39:46 PM
BMX kid OWNS cop on law haha lol

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 07:47:48 PM
BMX kid OWNS cop on law haha lol



Silly cop, kid knew his shit.

But he laughs like a bitch, huh?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: polychronopolous on July 14, 2016, 07:54:15 PM
BMX kid OWNS cop on law haha lol



I'm convinced some of these guy are in it to do as little as possible just so they can eventually collect that pension.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 14, 2016, 07:56:53 PM
I'm convinced some of these guy are in it to do as little as possible just so they can eventually collect that pension.

Not all, but there are some.

Some of it's just power... Some like being able to "be in charge" of others. Some are totally cool.

As with anything, good and bad.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
I'm convinced some of these guy are in it to do as little as possible just so they can eventually collect that pension.

Yup.

As I said previously, there should be a test for cops about US Law. However, we need to make it as easy as possible for them. :-\ :-\ :-\

Question 1:What is the 1st Amendment:

a) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
b) potato
c) potato
d) potato

Question 2: Do citizens have rights?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato

Question 3: Do all citizens have equal rights?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato

Question 4: What is the 2nd Amendment?
a) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
b) potato
c) potato
d) potato

Question 5: Are cops allowed to infringe on citizens rights without justification?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 08:05:56 PM
Not all, but there are some.

Some of it's just power... Some like being able to "be in charge" of others. Some are totally cool.

As with anything, good and bad.


This. Or he simply responded to a complaint and didn't fully understand the statute.


Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
Some people go their whole lives with no CCW. Others are terrified, fragile twats who arm themselves at 22.

240, your opinion?

I respect people who don't carry.   I didn't really care for guns as a kid.  My whole family had them, my dad was a fed firearms dealer for years.  my basement had the machine press where dad would press his own ammo.  Rifles sit against the wall in countless childhood pics.  They just sat with the umbrellas and whatnot.  

It's a personal choice.  When I got older, I realized the benefits.  As I got better belongings, I realized others wanted to take them.   as I bred, I realized the need to protect loved ones.  As I saw more and more senseless shit in this world, I realized a gun might help the odds one day.

I got armed at 21.  Got the permit at the first gun show I was old enough.  Picked up a glock as soon as my permit arrived and I could legally carry it from the gun shop.   I'm so insanely legal with it, I respect the shit out of the law.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 08:12:36 PM
I respect people who don't carry.   I didn't really care for guns as a kid.  My whole family had them, my dad was a fed firearms dealer for years.  my basement had the machine press where dad would press his own ammo.  Rifles sit against the wall in countless childhood pics.  They just sat with the umbrellas and whatnot.  

It's a personal choice.  When I got older, I realized the benefits.  As I got better belongings, I realized others wanted to take them.   as I bred, I realized the need to protect loved ones.  As I saw more and more senseless shit in this world, I realized a gun might help the odds one day.

I got armed at 21.  Got the permit at the first gun show I was old enough.  Picked up a glock as soon as my permit arrived and I could legally carry it from the gun shop.   I'm so insanely legal with it, I respect the shit out of the law.

Why? How many ass-kickings did you endure?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Why? How many ass-kickings did you endure?

I've lost a few.  Shit happens.  I did TKD and wrestling in high school, did some merged martial arts disciplines since then. 

it's easy to fck someone up in a fight.  It's more difficult to learn safety, survival and function without having to throw haymakers and push people thru tables.  I establish myself in reckless situations all the time, as I play some rough places at times... and it's easy... bad guys are going to fck with someone, I'm not going to tell them how to live.  You wanna mess someone up, you do that.  I'm just going to make it clear from my actions and appearance that it won't be me.  If they want to bully someone, if they want to scrap and talk shit and whatever, hey, do it.  Just look like an unsafe bet and they won't pick you.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
I've lost a few.  Shit happens.  I did TKD and wrestling in high school, did some merged martial arts disciplines since then. 

it's easy to fck someone up in a fight.  It's more difficult to learn safety, survival and function without having to throw haymakers and push people thru tables.  I establish myself in reckless situations all the time, as I play some rough places at times... and it's easy... bad guys are going to fck with someone, I'm not going to tell them how to live.  You wanna mess someone up, you do that.  I'm just going to make it clear from my actions and appearance that it won't be me.  If they want to bully someone, if they want to scrap and talk shit and whatever, hey, do it.  Just look like an unsafe bet and they won't pick you.

Right, but at 21 most guys are fearlessly chasing tail, no cares at all. But you and some other people who post here were preoccupied guarding their pussies.

What were y'all scared of?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Right, but at 21 most guys are fearlessly chasing tail, no cares at all. But you and some other people who post here were preoccupied guarding their pussies.
What were y'all scared of?

I guess I"m just a little bitch. 

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Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 14, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
I guess I"m just a little bitch. 

Fair enough.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: drkaje on July 14, 2016, 09:18:29 PM
In all fairness, any police test should include questions on doughnuts.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 09:30:36 PM
In all fairness, any police test should include questions on doughnuts.

Question 6: Where is the best place to get doughnuts at 2:00am?

a) Dunkin' Donuts
b) 7-Eleven
c) Krispy Kreme
d) potato
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 14, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
I respect people who don't carry.   I didn't really care for guns as a kid.  My whole family had them, my dad was a fed firearms dealer for years.  my basement had the machine press where dad would press his own ammo.  Rifles sit against the wall in countless childhood pics.  They just sat with the umbrellas and whatnot.  

It's a personal choice.  When I got older, I realized the benefits.  As I got better belongings, I realized others wanted to take them.   as I bred, I realized the need to protect loved ones.  As I saw more and more senseless shit in this world, I realized a gun might help the odds one day.

I got armed at 21.  Got the permit at the first gun show I was old enough.  Picked up a glock as soon as my permit arrived and I could legally carry it from the gun shop.   I'm so insanely legal with it, I respect the shit out of the law.
at what age did you have children?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
Awesome. The snotty douche knows more about drone law than a beat cop. Chalk one up for the kunts.

Because that's what he did before he flew the drone. Pretty sure most cops don't know that law but you have the cop haters on here making a big deal of it. Pretty sure for what SF1900 does for a living, in some instances he calls for a cops presents.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:36:40 PM
Some obama haters believe the cop should have received a handjob to relive him of the stress.

It's our patriotic duty to let police sodomize us.  Makes their job easier.

So if you point out that some "Obama haters" would that make you the opposite??
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Skeletor on July 14, 2016, 09:39:00 PM
Because that's what he did before he flew the drone. Pretty sure most cops don't know that law but you have the cop haters on here making a big deal of it. Pretty sure for what SF1900 does for a living, in some instances he calls for a cops presents.

If they are law enforcement they should know the law. Ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse for citizens, why should it be for cops?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:40:35 PM
If they are law enforcement they should know the law. Ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse for citizens, why should it be for cops?

Serious question. Do you realize the laws (codes) they have to know just in order to be a cop? Do you think it's just a few?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:42:08 PM
Because that's what he did before he flew the drone. Pretty sure most cops don't know that law but you have the cop haters on here making a big deal of it.

LOL!  BRO!   Cops have one job - enforce the law.

So yeah, it IS a big deal if the cops don't know the law.  Shit man, you consider it "cop hating" to expect the police enforcing the law to actually know it?  

IMO, "cop hating" is shooting them with a rifle like a coward.   Something like "maybe know the law and don't violate civil rights" isn't cop hating.   Come on, coach.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
LOL!  BRO!   Cops have one job - enforce the law.

So yeah, it IS a big deal if the cops don't know the law.  Shit man, you consider it "cop hating" to expect the police enforcing the law to actually know it?  

IMO, "cop hating" is shooting them with a rifle like a coward.   Something like "maybe know the law and don't violate civil rights" isn't cop hating.   Come on, coach.

Your total ignorance is amazing.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:44:01 PM
Serious question. Do you realize the laws they have to know just in order to be a cop? Do you think it's just a few?

If a cop doesn't know the law, they call it in or look it up.  That's what supervisors are for ;)

Any cop saying "I don't care what the supreme court says" or "I don't know the law, but I'm going to give orders based upon a made up law" is completely wrong.


Pretty sad that you excuse police weakness so easily.  I get it now.  Michelle Obama wears a red dress and you're screaming treason.  Officer Fcknuts makes up laws and violates rights and he's just a good guy, that book of laws is just too thick.  Oh brother.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
240 googling his answer as we speak..lol
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
If a cop doesn't know the law, they call it in or look it up.  That's what supervisors are for ;)

Any cop saying "I don't care what the supreme court says" or "I don't know the law, but I'm going to give orders based upon a made up law" is completely wrong.


Pretty sad that you excuse police weakness so easily.  I get it now.  Michelle Obama wears a red dress and you're screaming treason.  Officer Fcknuts makes up laws and violates rights and he's just a good guy, that book of laws is just too thick.  Oh brother.

Site him then they can battle it out in court.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Your total ignorance is amazing.

seriously, you have been caught in a lot of tales on getbig lately, and after a day or two, we let them go.   "forgotten" votes about never voting clinton, magical comebacks involving team doctors that let kids with "all of the concussion symptoms" return to that same game.  

Calling me ignorant because I dislike police just making up law violations on the fly?  

you're better than that. I know it.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Skeletor on July 14, 2016, 09:45:57 PM
Serious question. Do you realize the laws they have to know just in order to be a cop? Do you think it's just a few?

I expect the people who are "law enforcement" (pause and read that again, "law enforcement") to know the laws. If they don't (or they can't) know the law, they should not be law enforcement. Same thing with judges and prosecutors.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:46:31 PM
Site him then they can battle it out in court.

LOL!  Cops should just make up false charges for non-existent laws...
and the person needs to get a lawyer, miss work, and "fight it in court"?

Because this lazy cop can't call it in and ASK if a violation is taking place?  

You really do put certain incompetent cops on a pedestal, don't you?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:47:26 PM
seriously, you have been caught in a lot of tales on getbig lately, and after a day or two, we let them go.   "forgotten" votes about never voting clinton, magical comebacks involving team doctors that let kids with "all of the concussion symptoms" return to that same game.  

Calling me ignorant because I dislike police just making up law violations on the fly?  

you're better than that. I know it.

Dude, tails? Don't even fuckkng go there. Your buddy refused to come see the proof. You, however as I see your posts are still lying on a daily basis.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:47:53 PM
Same thing with judges and prosecutors.

You cannot expect a judge to know every law.   Like coach's cop friend, the judge should just make up random laws on the spot.  The guilty man can then use a prison lawyer to "battle it out" in appellate court.  

Complete dumbshit logic, from head to toe, coach.  I know FOX news worships cops, but when one just makes up the law, he's wrong.  
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 09:47:56 PM
I expect the people who are "law enforcement" (pause and read that again, "law enforcement") to know the laws. If they don't (or they can't) know the law, they should not be law enforcement. Same thing with judges and prosecutors.

EXACTLY!!

The fact that I may call the cops for assistance (which has not happened yet), does not take away from the fact that most do not understand the law. Its a huge, glaring hole in the education of police officers. Thus, whether or not I call them for assistance does not take away from the basic fact that very few officers actually know the law. Instead of trying to "flip the tables," we should be discussing better ways to educate police officers about the law so they could better serve the community. Whether or not I call the cops for assistance has NOTHING to do with cops glaring oversight of basic laws.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:49:36 PM
EXACTLY!!

The fact that I may call the cops for assistance (which has not happened yet), does not take away from the fact that most do not understand the law. Its a huge, glaring hole in the education of police officers. Thus, whether or not I call them for assistance does not take away from the basic fact that very few officers actually know the law. Instead of trying to "flip the tables," we should be discussing better ways to educate police officers about the law so they could better serve the community. Whether or not I call the cops for assistance has NOTHING to do with cops glaring oversight of basic laws.

Haha, you hate on cops but wouldn't hesitate to call on one of your ass was endanger.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
You cannot expect a judge to know every law.   Like coach's cop friend, the judge should just make up random laws on the spot.  The guilty man can then use a prison lawyer to "battle it out" in appellate court.  

Complete dumbshit logic, from head to toe, coach.  I know FOX news worships cops, but when one just makes up the law, he's wrong.  

Exactly. The cop told the BMX kid not to ride his bike there. But there was no law stating that. The cop was just being an idiot for no reason at all. The kid clearly pointed out that he has the right to ride his bike there. The cop walked away in shame. Why did the cop try to impose a fake law to harass a bunch of kids?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
Haha, you hate on cops but wouldn't hesitate to call on one of your ass was endanger.

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Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
Pretty sure most cops don't know that law but you have the cop haters on here making a big deal of it.

Quote of the MFing week. 
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:53:45 PM
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That's all you have "Hilary"?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 14, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
Pretty sure for what SF1900 does for a living

I'd be super surprised if that beta phag did anything other than get down on his knees and suck dick like a champ 20hrs a day.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 09:57:31 PM
Same dumbbassed arguing against the cop wouldn't hesitate for a second to call one when needed. lol
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 09:58:34 PM
I'd be super surprised if that beta phag did anything other than get down on his knees and suck dick like a champ 20hrs a day.

Gimmick.  :D :D
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 09:58:55 PM
That's all you have "Hilary"?

You just said it's okay for police to make up laws if they don't know them.

And it's the duty of the falsely accused to "prove they didn't violate a non-existent law" in court, at their own expense.

That's the most submissive, twink-bottom, weak, subservient shit I've ever read on getbig.

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Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 10:00:13 PM
Cop hating libs melting hard in this thread.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 10:01:11 PM
Quote of the MFing week. 

ALL cops should know the law better than the average citizen. Shit, I hope if a cop ever pulls me over, he knows the law(s) better than I do. Its kind of an important part of their job.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 10:01:47 PM
Same dumbbassed arguing against the cop wouldn't hesitate for a second to call one when needed. lol

Correct.  Because the cop is a public servant, paid for with public resources.

Part of becoming a cop is learning the law, and learning how to find answers to Qs to laws he doesn't know.  They can call it in and ask.  

This horrible logic of "you don't deserve police protection if you aren't willing to be cool with them making up laws on the spot" is the stuff of anti-legends.

Coach, I thought you weren't so much of a police defender to the point you're okay with people paying for court/lawyer due to police incompetence.  You really kneepad them, even when they're wrong.

Let it sink in.  A person should go to court to prove they didn't break a law that didn't exist, that a taxpayer-paid law enforcing officer.   Huh.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 10:04:11 PM
Cop hating libs melting hard in this thread.

If we're not okay with cops making up laws, we're cop haters.

Gotcha.   Can't argue with you, coach.   We're playing chess, and you're eating crayons.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 14, 2016, 10:05:08 PM
Correct.  Because the cop is a public servant, paid for with public resources.

Part of becoming a cop is learning the law, and learning how to find answers to Qs to laws he doesn't know.  They can call it in and ask.  

This horrible logic of "you don't deserve police protection if you aren't willing to be cool with them making up laws on the spot" is the stuff of anti-legends.

Coach, I thought you weren't so much of a police defender to the point you're okay with people paying for court/lawyer due to police incompetence.  You really kneepad them, even when they're wrong.

Let it sink in.  A person should go to court to prove they didn't break a law that didn't exist, that a taxpayer-paid law enforcing officer.   Huh.

Bingo. Of course we all deserve police protection. But citizens should also expect police to know the law very thoroughly. Besides lawyers and judges, police should be the 3rd profession that knows the most about laws.

1) Judges
2) Lawyers
3) Cops

Everyone else.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 10:10:58 PM
Correct.  Because the cop is a public servant, paid for with public resources.

Part of becoming a cop is learning the law, and learning how to find answers to Qs to laws he doesn't know.  They can call it in and ask.  

This horrible logic of "you don't deserve police protection if you aren't willing to be cool with them making up laws on the spot" is the stuff of anti-legends.

Coach, I thought you weren't so much of a police defender to the point you're okay with people paying for court/lawyer due to police incompetence.  You really kneepad them, even when they're wrong.

Let it sink in.  A person should go to court to prove they didn't break a law that didn't exist, that a taxpayer-paid law enforcing officer.   Huh.

Dude..

1. If you can write paragraphs of posts this long all day long...

2. Yes, the cop is a public servant so give credit when credit is due. You and SF are at least the most known cop haters on this site so I don't expect you to give credit even if one took a bullet for your kid. How many times has SF called cops "pigs"? Then you have TU Holmes defending BLM? Hypocrites.

Stop with the bullshit, the both of you. It's fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
If we're not okay with cops making up laws, we're cop haters.

Gotcha.   Can't argue with you, coach.   We're playing chess, and you're eating crayons.

Where did I say it was ok to make up a law? Your boy Obama has been doing it for almost 8 years and not a fucking word out of you.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on July 14, 2016, 10:24:41 PM
Yup.

As I said previously, there should be a test for cops about US Law. However, we need to make it as easy as possible for them. :-\ :-\ :-\

Question 1:What is the 1st Amendment:

a) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
b) potato
c) potato
d) potato

Question 2: Do citizens have rights?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato

Question 3: Do all citizens have equal rights?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato

Question 4: What is the 2nd Amendment?
a) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
b) potato
c) potato
d) potato

Question 5: Are cops allowed to infringe on citizens rights without justification?
a) yes
b) no
c) potato
d) potato

  ;D
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 10:26:44 PM
Where did I say it was ok to make up a law?\

Yes.  Yes you did.   "Cite them" - I think you meant that.   That means the cop should just go ahead and charge the person, even if the cop is ignorant of the law.  By definition, the cop is making up a law, and going beyond that - actually charging a person for committing a non-existent offence. 

Site him then they can battle it out in court.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: LittleJ on July 14, 2016, 10:38:48 PM
It's funny when I needed the cops in dangerous situations they never showed up or were extremely late. Maybe I need to call Officer Coach if I need help.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 14, 2016, 10:42:09 PM
Coach bring me up in every conversation he can.

It's like a scorned ex girlfriend.

I own his mind.

I laugh.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 10:43:07 PM
It's funny when I needed the cops in dangerous situations they never showed up or were extremely late. Maybe I need to call Officer Coach if I need help.

Today an 11 year old told me "Pizza arrives before the cops do... Call Dominos if you're getting robbed, maybe the pizza man scares away the bad guy"

Those who feel insulated and grew up in safe sponsored muscle kingdoms don't understand lazy cops because they haven't encountered them much.  

This cop didn't bother to look up/call in the law.  He just started making shit up.  Coach doesn't just excuse it, he defends it and mocks those who disagree with cops just making things up.

Coach is a useful tool.  Police love guys like him.   "sure, you can search my car, I have nothing to hide..."  "Sure, I don't mind if you look around, I'm innocent".  
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SquidVicious on July 14, 2016, 10:45:44 PM
The president is encouraging blacks to openly question police authority especially when THEY BELIEVE they are being unfairly treated. Eventually no one will take a police job for less than 100K.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 10:49:17 PM
Coach bring me up in every conversation he can.

It's like a scorned ex girlfriend.

I own his mind.

I laugh.

Because I put you, 240 and SF in the same category. They hate cops and you defend BLM which is basically the same thing.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 14, 2016, 10:51:05 PM
Because I put you, 240 and SF in the same category. They hate cops and you defend BLM which is basically the same thing.

No coach. They are not.

BLM does not hate police. They hate police who treat them unfairly.

As usual. Nuance is lost on you.

You're either with or against in your mind, but that's not how the world works. Adults that have the ability to reason and think for themselves don't think like that.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 14, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
No coach. They are not.

BLM does not hate police. They hate police who treat them unfairly.

As usual. Nuance is lost on you.

You're either with or against in your mind, but that's not how the world works. Adults that have the ability to reason and think for themselves don't think like that.

Oh really? How come no one else that has been treated unfairly is protesting and inciting violence? Would you defend them as well? What's the ratio of anyone being treated "unfairly" by a cop? What's the ratio of a black man/women being "unfairly" by a cop? What if it's a black cop? Is it still "unfair". The left needs to get off their fake soapbox.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 14, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
Because I put you, 240 and SF in the same category. They hate cops and you defend BLM which is basically the same thing.

I don't think cops should be able to make up laws on the spot to suit their own desires.

Coach has now equated me to BLM, who calls for violent shit against cops.

Once again... Coach believes either you're okay with cops making up bullshit charges, or you want to execute a dozen of them on the street.  There is no gray area.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 14, 2016, 11:02:16 PM
Oh really? How come no one else that has been treated unfairly is protesting and inciting violence? Would you defend them as well? What's the ratio of anyone being treated "unfairly" by a cop? What's the ratio of a black man/women being "unfairly" by a cop? What if it's a black cop? Is it still "unfair". The left needs to get off their fake soapbox.

Please tell me what other group is still being treated unfairly in 2016?

Oh. I'll tell you.

How about those clowns in Oregon that took over a federal land? You think if that were black men they would have been able to live there as long as they did?

The ratio is fucking high coach. There are videos that come out almost every fucking day where cops are profiling black people and treating them unfairly.

The numbers are all on their side Coach. You won't admit it but they are.

The ratios of black people in prisons for non violent crimes is insane. Fact.

It's fine if you don't want to admit the truth that's your business. I'm not saying that all black people are saints but they should be treated with equality and they aren't.

That said, this is the exact opposite of the point of the thread and I'm not going to derail it anymore.

I'll leave you with this.

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Mark Twain

Guess which you are.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 07:12:39 AM
Please tell me what other group is still being treated unfairly in 2016?

Oh. I'll tell you.

How about those clowns in Oregon that took over a federal land? You think if that were black men they would have been able to live there as long as they did?

The ratio is fucking high coach. There are videos that come out almost every fucking day where cops are profiling black people and treating them unfairly.

The numbers are all on their side Coach. You won't admit it but they are.

The ratios of black people in prisons for non violent crimes is insane. Fact.

It's fine if you don't want to admit the truth that's your business. I'm not saying that all black people are saints but they should be treated with equality and they aren't.

That said, this is the exact opposite of the point of the thread and I'm not going to derail it anymore.

I'll leave you with this.

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Mark Twain

Guess which you are.

According to whom?

Statistics don't support this unfair treatment BS.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 07:30:24 AM
According to whom?

Statistics don't support this unfair treatment BS.

Hmm.

http://www.denverpost.com/2015/08/05/3-out-of-5-african-americans-experience-unfair-police-treatment/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/09/poll-blacks-whites-agree-police-treat-blacks-differently/71918706/
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 07:58:29 AM
Hmm.

http://www.denverpost.com/2015/08/05/3-out-of-5-african-americans-experience-unfair-police-treatment/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/09/poll-blacks-whites-agree-police-treat-blacks-differently/71918706/

Ah, polled some folks. Can't dispute that kind of objectivity.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 08:16:54 AM
Ah, polled some folks. Can't dispute that kind of objectivity.

When it comes to fairness and equality it is about how they feel they are treated.

It's like systematic racism in America. You feel it's happening, but no one says it. Then you look at the history of documents once they are released and you find what you felt was happening was definitely happening all along.

Yes. Polls count in this scenario.

Also, statistics on imprisonment rates for, as I say again, non violent crimes are much higher for black people than white people. I've gone over that numerous times in threads here, but those are ignored.

So you believe those numbers are false and made up, or do they just not count because you don't want them to?

There are factual measures that correlate the "feeling" that people have.

No one cares though, at least not those who choose to not care in the first place. Either people see what is there, or they choose not to.

There is no changing anyone's opinion about the matter.

As someone who sees both sides, and has lived in both worlds. I have seen it myself. That's all the proof I really need.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 08:21:55 AM
No coach. They are not.

BLM does not hate police. They hate police who treat them unfairly.

As usual. Nuance is lost on you.

You're either with or against in your mind, but that's not how the world works. Adults that have the ability to reason and think for themselves don't think like that.

 :)
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 08:23:58 AM
:)

While there are certainly people who hate police that may be BLM members.

Saying BLM hates police would be like saying all police hate black people because SOME do.

Or are you saying that all police hate black people as well?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: residue on July 15, 2016, 08:29:26 AM
Then Blacks And Hispanics Wouldn't Be Able To Become Cops!
the requirements for a nyc officer is a GEDand a honorable discharge from the military. any idiot can become a cop
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 08:31:09 AM
Cops should be required to pass a 250 question test about US Law. Furthermore, like many other professions, cops should only be granted a "license" to become a cop if they pass this test. Most other professions (doctor, dentist, social worker/psychologist, speech-language pathologist, nurse, etc) have to pass a test that is specifically geared toward their job. As such, cops should be required to pass a 250-question test about US Law!



No question, that every cop should know the laws they enforce.
I don't think any reasonable person can defend professional ignorance of any law enforcement officer.

BUT, let's get practical for a minute about the world we live in.
I have no idea why this guy feels compelled to video tape the police station and I think he was using a drone?
He's perfectly within his rights to do so, according to the law.

While he's under no obligation to say, it would interesting ( to me) to find out why he wants to do this.
Why?
It's possible that a terrorist could use a similar tactic and cover to launch an attack.
IF that happened everyone would demand to know how it could happen.
The media would delve into an investigation and demand answers.

In my opinion, this cop was just trying to do his job and be proactive.
Of course, we have the side of civil liberties that defends the video taker.
That's sound good, UNTIL the shit hits the fan and someone gets attacked.
THEN, these same folks demand the cops be proactive and help prevent attacks in advance.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
No coach. They are not.

BLM does not hate police. They hate police who treat them unfairly.

As usual. Nuance is lost on you.

You're either with or against in your mind, but that's not how the world works. Adults that have the ability to reason and think for themselves don't think like that.

Ok, it's reasonable to assume that some BLM members support and respect good cops.
The problem is that I don't see or hear too much support of  the "good cops" from any BLM rally or speeches.
Maybe I missed the rally they had in support of them?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 08:37:53 AM
When it comes to fairness and equality it is about how they feel they are treated.

It's like systematic racism in America. You feel it's happening, but no one says it
. Then you look at the history of documents once they are released and you find what you felt was happening was definitely happening all along.

Yes. Polls count in this scenario.

Also, statistics on imprisonment rates for, as I say again, non violent crimes are much higher for black people than white people. I've gone over that numerous times in threads here, but those are ignored.

So you believe those numbers are false and made up, or do they just not count because you don't want them to?

There are factual measures that correlate the "feeling" that people have.

No one cares though, at least not those who choose to not care in the first place. Either people see what is there, or they choose not to.

There is no changing anyone's opinion about the matter.

As someone who sees both sides, and has lived in both worlds. I have seen it myself. That's all the proof I really need.

Feelings, then. This is what we're supposed to concern ourselves with, no matter how irrational.

Gotcha.
 
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 08:53:49 AM
While there are certainly people who hate police that may be BLM members.

Saying BLM hates police would be like saying all police hate black people because SOME do.

Or are you saying that all police hate black people as well?

No, sir. BLM says that. Cops are mostly fair, by and large. To the contrary, BLM is hate-based and racist. An aspiring terrorist organization for sure. Fact.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Yamcha on July 15, 2016, 08:57:27 AM
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/07/BLM-NICE-640x480.jpg)
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 09:03:33 AM
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/07/BLM-NICE-640x480.jpg)

Shocking.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 15, 2016, 09:06:01 AM
No question, that every cop should know the laws they enforce.
I don't think any reasonable person can defend professional ignorance of any law enforcement officer.

BUT, let's get practical for a minute about the world we live in.
I have no idea why this guy feels compelled to video tape the police station and I think he was using a drone?
He's perfectly within his rights to do so, according to the law.

While he's under no obligation to say, it would interesting ( to me) to find out why he wants to do this.
Why?
It's possible that a terrorist could use a similar tactic and cover to launch an attack.
IF that happened everyone would demand to know how it could happen.
The media would delve into an investigation and demand answers.


In my opinion, this cop was just trying to do his job and be proactive.
Of course, we have the side of civil liberties that defends the video taker.
That's sound good, UNTIL the shit hits the fan and someone gets attacked.
THEN, these same folks demand the cops be proactive and help prevent attacks in advance.


Yes, I guess it's entirely plausible that a terrorist may use a similar tactic--fly a drone in order to gather information about a police station. However, that is the price we pay for living in a free society. Will some people use their constitutional rights in bad ways (terrorists video taping an area)? Of course. But, as you know, you can't take away someone's rights because of a few bad apples.

But I am no expert on the law or the constitution (so my above statement may not be correct), hence why I am not a lawyer, judge or police officer.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 09:17:50 AM
Yes, I guess it's entirely plausible that a terrorist may use a similar tactic--fly a drone in order to gather information about a police station. However, that is the price we pay for living in a free society. Will some people use their constitutional rights in bad ways (terrorists video taping an area)? Of course. But, as you know, you can't take away someone's rights because of a few bad apples.

But I am no expert on the law or the constitution (so my above statement may not be correct), hence why I am not a lawyer, judge or police officer.


Excellent points and you've stayed on the main crux of the debate:
Civil liberty vs security. ;)

No freedom loving person wants to see a reduction in their personal freedoms and civil rights.
BUT, from a practical stand point, it often happens after a horrific event occurs.
For example, look at the invasive security measures we are required to endure to simply board an airline after the 9/11 attacks. Nobody seems to enjoy it but most understand why and prefer increased security over absolute freedom.

I wonder about the motives of the guy who shot the video of the police station.
I seriously doubt he was a terrorists and seemed quite sane and reasonable.
BUT, it seems to me he was doing it , because he could and wanted to be obnoxious.
I honestly think he was videoing the police station to bother them because he could.
In my opinion, he wasn't promoting civil liberties, he was being an asshole.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 09:37:00 AM
Feelings, then. This is what we're supposed to concern ourselves with, no matter how irrational.

Gotcha.
 


Feelings and facts.

Again.

I will reiterate.

Documents have shown that black people were oppressed in regards to loans and the accumulation of property (the number one way people achieve wealth of any sort).

We fight wars because we "feel" that something or someone did something wrong, yet we won't give the same courtesy to those we feel are oppressed in ways in our own backyard.

Seems hypocritical.

The numbers are there. You want to ignore them. That's fine. It's your right. It doesn't make it occur less.

Documents show oppression. You ignore them.

The days of black people being hosed weren't centuries ago. It was 50 years ago. People are still alive who remember it.

Is it as bad as it used to be? Of course not. It's getting better. However, if all white people were treated and profiled like black people, white people would be pissed too.


Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 15, 2016, 09:40:05 AM
Excellent points and you've stayed on the main crux of the debate:
Civil liberty vs security. ;)

No freedom loving person wants to see a reduction in their personal freedoms and civil rights.
BUT, from a practical stand point, it often happens after a horrific event occurs.
For example, look at the invasive security measures we are required to endure to simply board an airline after the 9/11 attacks. Nobody seems to enjoy it but most understand why and prefer increased security over absolute freedom.

I wonder about the motives of the guy who shot the video of the police station.
I seriously doubt he was a terrorists and seemed quite sane and reasonable.
BUT, it seems to me he was doing it , because he could and wanted to be obnoxious.
I honestly think he was videoing the police station to bother them because he could.
In my opinion, he wasn't promoting civil liberties, he was being an asshole.

Most people are willing to give up some rights at the airports because its a minor inconvenience. I mean, how often do most people fly (except business people).

Well, I guess its his right to be an asshole, as long as he is within the boundaries of the law.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 15, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
Feelings and facts.

Again.

I will reiterate.

Documents have shown that black people were oppressed in regards to loans and the accumulation of property (the number one way people achieve wealth of any sort).

We fight wars because we "feel" that something or someone did something wrong, yet we won't give the same courtesy to those we feel are oppressed in ways in our own backyard.

Seems hypocritical.

The numbers are there. You want to ignore them. That's fine. It's your right. It doesn't make it occur less.

Documents show oppression. You ignore them.

The days of black people being hosed weren't centuries ago. It was 50 years ago. People are still alive who remember it.

Is it as bad as it used to be? Of course not. It's getting better. However, if all white people were treated and profiled like black people, white people would be pissed too.




Feelings do matter in research. In fact, there are tons of methodological research theories that examine the unique, lived experiences of participants (Interpretive Phenomenological Analysis, Grounded Theory, Focused Observations and Groups, etc). What often becomes most important is when quantitative data (usually considered more "fact-based") confirms the interpretations of qualitative research (the stories and narratives of participants). So, you are correct in the sense that feelings/narratives/stories, are important when considering facts. Hard data (facts) do not often tell the whole story. Some of the strongest research methods use a mixture of qualitative and quantitative measures (of course there some shortcomings to this approach). Thus, feelings matter within the context of appropriate methodology.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: bigmc on July 15, 2016, 09:52:18 AM
its really easy to pick on the cops

none of you idiots would last five minutes

it takes lawyers five years at university to grasp one aspect of it

yet cops are supposed to know it all

its getting stale all this anti cop shit
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 15, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
its really easy to pick on the cops

none of you idiots would last five minutes

it takes lawyers five years at university to grasp one aspect of it

yet cops are supposed to know it all

its getting stale all this anti cop shit

Bigmc, this cop didn't know the basic right, which allowed an American to video tape in public. Furthermore, many cops attempt to disarm law abiding citizens from carrying guns, which is also a constitutional right. These rights are both basic constitutional rights. If the general public knows their rights, then cops should. The general public is not filled with lawyers. As I stated 2 pages ago, the order in which professions should know the law is, 1) judges, 2), lawyers, and 3) cops...........then everyone else. So, yes, cops should know the law better than the average citizen, but obviously not better than a lawyer or judge.

And you say the anti-cop stuff is getting stale, well, how do you think the black people feel on getbig about the constant anti-black threads every day? I am sure it's getting stale to them. It's even more prevalent than the anti-cop threads.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
its really easy to pick on the cops

none of you idiots would last five minutes

it takes lawyers five years at university to grasp one aspect of it

yet cops are supposed to know it all

its getting stale all this anti cop shit

I don't think it's about knowing it all. If you don't know something, you don't pretend to know it. Right?

I don't hate cops. Not at all. I think that good cops need to call out the bad ones when they are bad and not rally the troops around to protect them.

That's all.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: bigmc on July 15, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
I don't think it's about knowing it all. If you don't know something, you don't pretend to know it. Right?

I don't hate cops. Not at all. I think that good cops need to call out the bad ones when they are bad and not rally the troops around to protect them.

That's all.

yeah i get that

but people jump all over it every time they fuck up and they start gloating

its distasteful
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 15, 2016, 10:15:27 AM
continually... right-wing media will take some random, immature, ignorant statement from some idiot teenager about BLM and repost it for 3 million people to read and shit on.

Remember the days when dumb asses would write in their diaries and maybe rant at the bus stop?   Social media, and the way the media repeats it, suddenly gives global platform to every idiot willing to make a cause look stupid.  

In the old days, if a person had a platform to speak to millions, they had worked hard to build it, and credibility came with it.  Today, we can just search for an idiot looking stupid who hashtags any cause, and he's magically their spokesman and we can have an entire 3 hour Rush Limbaugh segment talking about how much of a moron this kid is.  
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 15, 2016, 10:20:13 AM
Feelings, then. This is what we're supposed to concern ourselves with, no matter how irrational.

Gotcha.
 


Over 40,000 people in America killed themselves in the year 2014 because of "feelings" they had. And those numbers are growing...Yeah, I think it's time society as a whole takes a look at "feelings" people are having...40,000 people is a massive number. Now imagine if those 40,000 people decided to take some people out before they killed themselves because of the "feelings" their having.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Feelings do matter in research.  Thus, feelings matter within the context of appropriate methodology.

This sums up my feelings on feelings.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 10:22:42 AM
Over 40,000 people in America killed themselves in the year 2014 because of "feelings" they had. And those numbers are growing...Yeah, I think it's time society as a whole takes a look at "feelings" people are having...40,000 people is a massive number. Now imagine if those 40,000 people decided to take some people out before they killed themselves because of the "feelings" their having.

Reading that, made me feel sad.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: residue on July 15, 2016, 10:28:49 AM
its really easy to pick on the cops

none of you idiots would last five minutes

it takes lawyers five years at university to grasp one aspect of it

yet cops are supposed to know it all

its getting stale all this anti cop shit
not know it all, but know basic shit sure. i expect the people enforcing the laws to know rudimentary laws
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
Feelings and facts.

Again.

I will reiterate.

Documents have shown that black people were oppressed in regards to loans and the accumulation of property (the number one way people achieve wealth of any sort).

We fight wars because we "feel" that something or someone did something wrong, yet we won't give the same courtesy to those we feel are oppressed in ways in our own backyard.

Seems hypocritical.

The numbers are there. You want to ignore them. That's fine. It's your right. It doesn't make it occur less.

Documents show oppression. You ignore them.

The days of black people being hosed weren't centuries ago. It was 50 years ago. People are still alive who remember it.

Is it as bad as it used to be? Of course not. It's getting better. However, if all white people were treated and profiled like black people, white people would be pissed too.


U.S. Navy: "Mr. President, Japanese planes just bombed Pearl Harbor. Sunk our ships, destroyed our planes, several hundred presumed dead. Maybe thousands. The place is an inferno."

FDR: "Really? Japs, huh? Wow.... So how do you feel about this, then? Feels sorta wrong to me, no?"


Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
continually... right-wing media will take some random, immature, ignorant statement from some idiot teenager about BLM and repost it for 3 million people to read and shit on.

Remember the days when dumb asses would write in their diaries and maybe rant at the bus stop?   Social media, and the way the media repeats it, suddenly gives global platform to every idiot willing to make a cause look stupid.  

In the old days, if a person had a platform to speak to millions, they had worked hard to build it, and credibility came with it.  Today, we can just search for an idiot looking stupid who hashtags any cause, and he's magically their spokesman and we can have an entire 3 hour Rush Limbaugh segment talking about how much of a moron this kid is.  

That's a relevant point.

BUT, I can't help notice the most passionate, vocal protests of BLM are for people who resist arrest and/or have criminal records.

Look at the famous case involving Micheal Brown in Ferguson , Ms.
The guy just strong arm robbed a clerk , refused to follow the cops instructions and then tried to wrestle away the cops gun.

The guy in Baltimore was a known drug dealer.

The guy in Baton Rouge had a record and refused to get down when the cops came in and told him to.

How do the police enforce the law if someone refuses to comply?
They use force. That rarely looks nice and pretty.

Why don't the BLM protests involve backing blacks wronged by the cops who complied with instructions?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 10:32:50 AM
Over 40,000 people in America killed themselves in the year 2014 because of "feelings" they had. And those numbers are growing...Yeah, I think it's time society as a whole takes a look at "feelings" people are having...40,000 people is a massive number. Now imagine if those 40,000 people decided to take some people out before they killed themselves because of the "feelings" their having.

What the hell do suicides have to do with whiny SJWs? Let their shrinks sort that shit out.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 15, 2016, 10:48:15 AM
in the old days, if you were a voice on radio or tv, you had a reputation, a portfolio, a resume.  You were an expert whose opinion had enough merit to warrant a slot on the 6:30 national news cycle.  You mattered.

Social media gives every extremist asshat a way to reach millions. And any enemies of that viewpoint can always search hashtags and pluck out a random inbred dropout felon moron, screenshot an ignorant statement he posted to impress some vag, and suddenly "this man speaks for the ____ movement, and he calls for beheadings, arson, and sheep sodomy, obviously what ____ stands for"

I love fox news radio, but they cite these random meaningless idiots every week and give them millions of people to speak to.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 10:51:16 AM
U.S. Navy: "Mr. President, Japanese planes just bombed Pearl Harbor. Sunk our ships, destroyed our planes, several hundred presumed dead. Maybe thousands. The place is an inferno."

FDR: "Really? Japs, huh? Wow.... So how do you feel about this, then? Feels sorta wrong to me, no?"




You over simplify.

Revolution. We felt that taxation without representation was wrong.
Civil War. People felt that states should be able to rule themselves. Other states felt the Union was more important than the states.
WW1. We felt that we owed it to our allies to support them.
Iraq 2002. We felt Saddam had WMDs. We felt he was evil. Things of that nature.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
You over simplify.

Revolution. We felt that taxation without representation was wrong.
Civil War. People felt that states should be able to rule themselves. Other states felt the Union was more important than the states.
WW1. We felt that we owed it to our allies to support them.
Iraq 2002. We felt Saddam had WMDs. We felt he was evil. Things of that nature.


Semantics, silly. Knock off the horseshit.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Semantics, silly. Knock off the horseshit.

No horseshit here.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Howard on July 15, 2016, 01:27:19 PM
in the old days, if you were a voice on radio or tv, you had a reputation, a portfolio, a resume.  You were an expert whose opinion had enough merit to warrant a slot on the 6:30 national news cycle.  You mattered.

Social media gives every extremist asshat a way to reach millions. And any enemies of that viewpoint can always search hashtags and pluck out a random inbred dropout felon moron, screenshot an ignorant statement he posted to impress some vag, and suddenly "this man speaks for the ____ movement, and he calls for beheadings, arson, and sheep sodomy, obviously what ____ stands for"

I love fox news radio, but they cite these random meaningless idiots every week and give them millions of people to speak to.

For me , it's pretty damn simple on a personal level.
ISIS is willing to die to implement some insane form of Muslim sharia law society.
The Bernie supporters and BLM protests shot loud and long for various social reforms.

Guess what? I don't want ANY major changes in "the system".
I worked hard for many years within "the system" to finally have some financial security and assets.
I'm pretty happy and content wth things just as they are.

Of course, I'd love to see NATO bomb into oblivion any/all ISIS held cities .
Obviosly,the best case scenario is if ISIS disbanded terrorism , joined the IFBB and got into bodybuilding.
Active bodybuilders and schmoes don't attack anyone.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 15, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
When it comes to fairness and equality it is about how they feel they are treated.

Um, no – its about reality, dumbfuck.

It's like systematic racism in America. You feel it's happening, but no one says it.

There is no 'systematic racism' in the US.

Blacks live better in the US than they have ever lived anywhere else on earth…. ever.

Stupid fucks.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 01:31:43 PM
No horseshit here.


All right, then. War declaration = Dindu complaint. Fantastic.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
Um, no – its about reality, dumbfuck.

There is no 'systematic racism' in the US.

Blacks live better in the US than they have ever lived anywhere else on earth…. ever.

Stupid fucks.

Better. Yes.

Still not as equal as white people here.

We don't hold the US system to the standard of the rest of the world. That's ridiculous.

Systematic racism does exist. That's just reality.

All right, then. War declaration = Dindu complaint. Fantastic.

In regards to the base behind them, ie emotional response.

Yes.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Um, no – its about reality, dumbfuck.

There is no 'systematic racism' in the US.

Blacks live better in the US than they have ever lived anywhere else on earth…. ever.

Stupid fucks.

Fuck no there isn't, only isolated cases. Just lazy malcontents blaming others for every failure they encounter.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 01:47:57 PM
You want watch it and if you do you'll say she suffers from white guilt or say she's a bleeding heart.

She speaks the truth though.

Ignore it like you will.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 15, 2016, 02:01:47 PM
You want watch it and if you do you'll say she suffers from white guilt or say she's a bleeding heart.

She speaks the truth though.

Ignore it like you will.



The jew whore defined racism as; 'an invisible system of discrimination and injustice that was established and is upheld by our social institutions.'

You are worthless. 
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 02:06:05 PM
The jew whore defined racism as; 'an invisible system of discrimination and injustice that was established and is upheld by our social institutions.'

You are worthless.  
I believe she was speaking of institutional racism. Not overt racism.
That's a fair definition of it actually.

I expected nothing of substance in your response.

Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.

The text definition found easily is.

Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups. It is reflected in disparities regarding criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other things. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race. Institutional racism can go unnoticed as it is not always explicit and can be overlooked.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 15, 2016, 02:17:09 PM
I believe she was speaking of institutional racism.

I expected nothing of substance in your response.

Right… you're all 'substance'. You offer up as proof of your 'systematic racism' a fucking Lacy Green vid (really?) in which she declares this racist system of yours to be 'invisible'….


Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups. It is reflected in disparities regarding criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other things. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race. Institutional racism can go unnoticed as it is not always explicit and can be overlooked.

The boogie man.... meaningless, convoluted bullshit.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 02:18:31 PM
Right… you're all 'substance'. You offer up proof of your 'systematic racism' a fucking Lacy Greene  vid (really?) in which she declares this racist system of yours to be 'invisible'….


The boogie man.... meaningless, convoluted bullshit.

The video is simply easy to digest. The things she is saying are all factual.

You are arguing against the method of communication and not what she actually said because the points she's making are all well documented and you know this.

That's fine. Like I said. I expected nothing less.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: polychronopolous on July 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
As horrible as the recent terrorists attacks have been, I find Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's behavior more chilling than any of those events.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: SF1900 on July 15, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
I believe she was speaking of institutional racism. Not overt racism.
That's a fair definition of it actually.

I expected nothing of substance in your response.

Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.

The text definition found easily is.

Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups. It is reflected in disparities regarding criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other things. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race. Institutional racism can go unnoticed as it is not always explicit and can be overlooked.

Tu, even if you cited thousands and thousands of quantitative and qualitative studies, as well as theoretical papers, from peer-reviewed journals, that confirm what you're saying, you would get the same response. So, it makes no difference what evidence you show. If the evidence disconfirms their beliefs, they will reject them. If these same papers confirmed what they believe in, they would accept the evidence.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
You wan't (sic) watch it and if you do you'll say he suffers from coonism or say he's an Uncle Tom.

He speaks the truth, though.

Ignore it like you will.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
In regards to the base behind them, ie emotional response.

Yes.

 :)

Tu, I feel pretty passionately that 2+2=5, but no one will listen.

Where should I lodge my grievance?
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
You wan't (sic) watch it and if you do you'll say he suffers from coonism or say he's an Uncle Tom.

He speaks the truth, though.

Ignore it like you will.



Yes. You caught that spell check on my phone wanting more to turn won't into want. Nice job.

I have gotten about 5 minutes into it and I will finish it later when I have time, but so far I have no issue with what he's said up to this point.

I'll finish the last of it and report back.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 06:05:34 PM
Decided to watch more.

Just a couple of points.

I don't disagree with his statement about what the number 1 problem in the black community is the breakdown of family.

I agree with that completely. I've said that previously on getbig numerous times.

What I will say though is that while that is the problem within the black community and how the black community is, it  doesn't negate the actual racism that does still exist. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Systematic racism which has more roots in the history of this country than what anyone cares to discuss. I don't see why the host didn't mention some of these things, but then I wasn't there and that's an entirely different discussion.

This isn't an either or scenario. Both statements can be and are, in this instance, correct.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 15, 2016, 06:10:38 PM
Decided to watch more.

Just a couple of points.

I don't disagree with his statement about what the number 1 problem in the black community is the breakdown of family.

I agree with that completely. I've said that previously on getbig numerous times.

What I will say though is that while that is the problem within the black community and how the black community is, it  doesn't negate the actual racism that does still exist. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Systematic racism which has more roots in the history of this country than what anyone cares to discuss. I don't see why the host didn't mention some of these things, but then I wasn't there and that's an entirely different discussion.



Please help me out here: Define racism, in your view. And explain systemic racism, as it exists in modern society.

Briefly, if you would. Thank you.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 06:24:35 PM
Please help me out here: Define racism, in your view. And explain systemic racism, as it exists in modern society.

Briefly, if you would. Thank you.


To me. Systematic racism is an inherent design where due to social constructs, you treat people of different skin tones in a different way than you would treat others. This can also be expanded to other areas, such as names.

For instance.

Police profiling.
People with off names not receiving looks on resumes. Women named Laquanda or men named Tu. People often assume I am Asian because my name is a typical Asian name.

Bank loans being denied because of the color of their skin.

These things do still happen. Just not as much as before. It's getting better and that's a good thing, but we should be striving for there to be no gap between "races" as it were.

To speak on the previous video I posted.

Would you agree that in this country, property ownership is the number one way wealth is generated?
Would you agree that loans for property were historically denied to minorities?
Would you believe that loans denied 50 years ago (some today, but less) would have a impact on further generations of children?

I am certainly willing to admit the black community's faults in generating issues among themselves.
Are you willing to admit that racism still causes issues?

Perhaps being a product of both races gives me a more reasoned insight, but I see where the problems are on both sides.

To add another bit.
Do I believe that people like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton have the best interest of the black community? Fuck no.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: polychronopolous on July 15, 2016, 06:27:46 PM
Decided to watch more.

Just a couple of points.

I don't disagree with his statement about what the number 1 problem in the black community is the breakdown of family.

I agree with that completely. I've said that previously on getbig numerous times.

What I will say though is that while that is the problem within the black community and how the black community is, it  doesn't negate the actual racism that does still exist. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Systematic racism which has more roots in the history of this country than what anyone cares to discuss. I don't see why the host didn't mention some of these things, but then I wasn't there and that's an entirely different discussion.

This isn't an either or scenario. Both statements can be and are, in this instance, correct.



Did not the Jews, Irish, Chinese and Italians not face the same in their day?

I would argue they faced more than whatever we are seeing in 2016.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 06:30:35 PM
Did not the Jews, Irish, Chinese and Italians not face the same in their day?

I would argue they faced more than whatever we are seeing in 2016.

Yes. They did. To some extent they still do, but nowhere near as much as history gone by.

Why? I don't know. I could make guesses, but that's all it would be.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: illuminati on July 15, 2016, 07:18:34 PM
You wan't (sic) watch it and if you do you'll say he suffers from coonism or say he's an Uncle Tom.

He speaks the truth, though.

Ignore it like you will.











 :o. !!  That Man Speaks A Lot Truth & Sense.
Not what the Dindu / Held back by Whitey Type Blacks will like to hear.

Well Said That Man.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Wiggs on July 15, 2016, 07:21:26 PM
Um, no – its about reality, dumbfuck.

There is no 'systematic racism' in the US.

Blacks live better in the US than they have ever lived anywhere else on earth…. ever.

Stupid fucks.

You are part of the problem and absolute fucking idiot. At this point if anyone denies there's systematic racism is a racist or a fucking moron. Maybe both.  Dipshit.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Erik C on July 15, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
You are part of the problem and absolute fucking idiot. At this point if anyone denies there's systematic racism is a racist or a fucking moron. Maybe both.  Dipshit.

No. You Are Stupid. Blacks Are Treated The Way They Are, Because They Act Like Stupid Savage Animals.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 16, 2016, 12:03:04 AM
Guess what? I don't want ANY major changes in "the system".

Yet you support Trump, the one candidate in the past 50 years who really might blow shit up.  Nobody knows how he really feels.  Choose ANY major issue, I can show you Trump all over the board on it with quotes, from the past decade or so.

You want stable, yet you want Trump too.   Howard, can't have both.   Trump is the most erratic nominee we've seen in 50 years.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 16, 2016, 05:32:20 PM
You are part of the problem and absolute fucking idiot. At this point if anyone denies there's systematic racism is a racist or a fucking moron. Maybe both.  Dipshit.

Millions and millions of really young kids white and black grew up on this stuff below. The Hollywood Jews having been pushing this stuff of 70+ years. White people growing up in America didn't really have a choice to think any different about black people. Blacks were constantly being portrayed a certain way. And when you're extremely young(age 5 to 12) the seeds were being set through the TV/movies etc.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: mazrim on July 16, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
Yet you support Trump, the one candidate in the past 50 years who really might blow shit up.  Nobody knows how he really feels.  Choose ANY major issue, I can show you Trump all over the board on it with quotes, from the past decade or so.

You want stable, yet you want Trump too.   Howard, can't have both.   Trump is the most erratic nominee we've seen in 50 years.
^
This guy is completely enamored with Hillary.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 16, 2016, 05:38:27 PM
1941 Cartoon that was shown in America for until the late 1940's...Possibly the most racist cartoon of all time...Was forced to take off the air but was still shown in other Countries for decades... This is the stuff that Hebrew Hollywood put out on the airwaves for millions of young kids and parents to watch...Remember back then there were only a few TV channels. So when this came on they watched it...Wall street was built by the guys who were brought up watching this stuff... Below is the reaction of a black man watching this stuff. lol





Wiggs brother here is pretty fukcing funny

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 16, 2016, 06:02:02 PM
We've got huffing and puffing… opinions…. feelings (lol) and nonsense –  but I'm still waiting on a tangible, reality based illustration of 'systemic racism'.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 17, 2016, 09:45:37 AM
https://mmj.vcu.edu/2013/12/14/racial-gulf-persists-in-who-gets-home-loans/

Im sure it's a lie though.

 ::)

(http://mmj.vcu.edu/files/2013/12/Reasons-1.jpg)


My. That "no reason listed" is pretty large. I wonder what the issue could be.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: Zillotch on July 17, 2016, 01:28:24 PM
Sane White people: fuck these mentally compromised losers with their pie charts, threats of the theoretical and other such lunacy. Have pride in yourselves.

Even though you're bombarded with constant negativity…. a message of white guilt, shame and hate – fuck them, its all nonsense.

Even though there is actual systemic racism, backed by real federal statutes and regulations, against YOU – the Caucasian…. you are told the opposite - that up is down, and down is up. You are presented with an inverse reality, a reality in which you are inherently 'racist'.. evil and privileged because of the color of your skin. This is not true.

You've got the collective power of a morally bankrupt society against you – media/hollywood, government/education etc.. paint you as the evil white devil; spawning damaging, dangerous, deceptive ideologies and language which corrupt the mind, kill the soul and shut you up – they teach this poison to the young, and the young believe what they are taught.

I suggest that you snap the fuck out of it and start standing up for yourselves, otherwise nothing will stop your descent into total ruin.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: The Ugly on July 17, 2016, 05:59:51 PM
https://mmj.vcu.edu/2013/12/14/racial-gulf-persists-in-who-gets-home-loans/

Im sure it's a lie though.

 ::)

(http://mmj.vcu.edu/files/2013/12/Reasons-1.jpg)


My. That "no reason listed" is pretty large. I wonder what the issue could be.

Do you have a comparable pie chart for the denied whites? From four years ago, I mean. Just curious to see what their 'No Reason Listed' % was.

Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on July 18, 2016, 12:31:17 AM
Do you have a comparable pie chart for the denied whites? From four years ago, I mean. Just curious to see what their 'No Reason Listed' % was.



I don't. I will try to see if I can get some numbers though.

Good point.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: sync pulse on July 18, 2016, 12:48:19 AM
1941 Cartoon that was shown in America for until the late 1940's...Possibly the most racist cartoon of all time...Was forced to take off the air but was still shown in other Countries for decades... This is the stuff that Hebrew Hollywood put out on the airwaves for millions of young kids and parents to watch...Remember back then there were only a few TV channels. So when this came on they watched it...Wall street was built by the guys who were brought up watching this stuff... Below is the reaction of a black man watching this stuff. lol








Wiggs brother here is pretty fukcing funny


This isn't on youtube so it won't embed...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xx4wr2_boogie-woogie-bugle-boy-of-company-b-1941-walter-lantz-productions_shortfilms
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on September 01, 2016, 10:25:02 AM
I don't. I will try to see if I can get some numbers though.

Good point.

Haven't found a good pie chart, but I did find some odd examples of things:

Well-off blacks denied loans more than low-income whites
A Dayton Daily News investigation: In all income levels, blacks are more likely than whites to be rejected for home loans and are more likely to be sold a high-cost, subprime loan.

DAYTON — More than four decades after racial discrimination in home lending was outlawed, lenders in the Dayton area deny a much higher percentage of loans to blacks than whites, even when income levels are comparable.
Blacks are also more likely than whites to be sold a high-cost, subprime loan.
A Dayton Daily News examination of 2008 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data found significant racial disparities exist at every income level.
For example, upper-income blacks from an eight-county area in 2008 were twice as likely as whites to be denied home purchase or refinancing loans, the newspaper found.
More than 46 percent of black applicants who earn at least $71,760 a year had their applications rejected, while 23 percent of white applicants in that income range did.
In fact, upper-income blacks in those eight counties were denied loans more often than even low-income whites.
Experts say the effective end of credit makes economically distressed neighborhoods more vulnerable to foreclosure, abandonment and blight.
“It’s like redlining is being made legal again,” said real estate agent Veronica Bedell-Nevels, referring to a once common practice in which lenders refused to make loans in black communities. “And you’re like, ‘Am I dreaming?’ This seems like something from the ’70s.”
Lenders, however, say race plays no role in their decisions about whether to grant loans.
Housing advocates and even some who were denied loans are reluctant to blame overt racism.
But in some neighborhoods, home lending has effectively been turned off.
Fred Steed lives in one. In 2008, lenders denied nearly 80 percent of the loans in his census tract along West Third Street, which is 99 percent minority.
In August, it happened to Steed. Although he is well into the upper-income level, he was turned down for a $35,000 refinance loan with Fifth Third Bank.
“I was very upset about it,” said Steed, director of community health for the Montgomery County health district. “I’ve had a relationship with Fifth Third ever since they’ve been here. I’m gainfully employed. I’ve got a credit rating of 820.
“So if they treat me like this, God only can have sympathy for others who really need this help.”

I don't know if this is accurate, but if so, it does seem to show some disparity.

(http://hatdc.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/reasons-for-denial-conventional-loans.jpg)

FHA loans seem to fall more evenly.

(http://hatdc.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/reasons-for-denial-FHA-loans.jpg)

So when the Fed is involved, it seems to not be any sort of discernible difference, but otherwise, it seems pretty drastic.

I'm still looking for more information of course.
Title: Re: "I don't care what the Supreme Court says." Police Officer----240, your opinion?
Post by: TuHolmes on September 01, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
Also, check this article out.

It has percentages you can see between conventional, FHA, and VA loans.

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2015/06/study-home-loan-process-skewed-against-non-whites-090420