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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Take this scenario: I can create an imaginary character named "VinceG" who lives in the magical land of "heaven" but since I can't disprove that this character truly doesn't actually exist due to the fact that my reality is limited to that with which I can perceive, you can say that VinceG actually does indeed live in heaven.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
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So you think everything came into existence by chance and there is no creator?
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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Take this scenario: I can create an imaginary character named "VinceG" who lives in the magical land of "heaven" but since I can't disprove that this character truly doesn't actually exist due to the fact that my reality is limited to that with which I can perceive, you can say that VinceG actually does indeed live in heaven.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
It already proves the bible is wrong on issue after issue so I don't expect much to change once this happens. Retards will still be retards.
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So you think everything came into existence by chance and there is no creator?
Honestly, ya. Humanity likes to think that we are the ultimate creators so we created a "creator" in our own image who is "God". But the ultimate creator is not humanity. The ultimate creator is the Universe itself.
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Well.. Science has already proved "Abrahemic Religions(Islam/judaism/Christianity) that the Earth is not 6000 years old.
They still want to believe. #ItsStillRealToMeDammit ::)
*Religion might have their faith based on people who experienced near-death or via psychedelic drugs.
*You see my friend before christianity/Islam/Judaism spread most of the world worshipped and practiced spirituality, based on their own herbs and psychedelic drugs.
There are still places in the world(Tibet/S. & N.America/Asia) that practice spirituality guided by a shaman or priest. Spirituality makes much more sense IMO.
All abrahemic religions forbid spirituality they called it witchcraft, they persecuted throughout whole Europe/Middle-east/Africa burned them alive or massacre them.
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They could prove it without s shadow of doubt and the bible/Quran thumpers would still cling onto there sky gods, grown men living by a fairy tail book....
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Religion: Fiction reading for adults
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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Take this scenario: I can create an imaginary character named "VinceG" who lives in the magical land of "heaven" but since I can't disprove that this character truly doesn't actually exist due to the fact that my reality is limited to that with which I can perceive, you can say that VinceG actually does indeed live in heaven.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
Disproving existence of God? Well, that has been done thousands of times during the years, but there is this little problem: Blind faith is literally blind, so people with the blind faith doesn't see anything they doesn't want to see. That's why it is impossible prove anything to these morons, they just deny your evidence and continue praying. You can't have blind faith without denial of the facts, and if you know and understand facts, you can't have blind faith. More than anything, it is matter of low IQ and average/high IQ. Lower IQ equals stronger faith and it is quite impossible to find people who have high IQ and who are religious.
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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Why is it logical to assume this? To me the concept that the Universe was created by a Creator is more logical than that it spontaneously started.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
Ahhh, so you were given senses?? Well then how can nothing give you something?? Surely you are referring to a Creator then with that phrase?? Instead you should have said "with our senses". ;D
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Why is it logical to assume this? To me the concept that the Universe was created by a Creator is more logical than that it spontaneously started.
Ahhh, so you were given senses?? Well then how can nothing give you something?? Surely you are referring to a Creator then with that phrase?? Instead you should have said "with our senses". ;D
What would it take for you to put down the fairy tale book?, what proof would convince you you've been praying to fresh air your whole life??
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Disproving existence of God? Well, that has been done thousands of times during the years, but there is this little problem: Blind faith is literally blind, so people with the blind faith doesn't see anything they doesn't want to see. That's why it is impossible prove anything to these morons, they just deny your evidence and continue praying. You can't have blind faith without denial of the facts, and if you know and understand facts, you can't have blind faith. More than anything, it is matter of low IQ and average/high IQ. Lower IQ equals stronger faith and it is quite impossible to find people who have high IQ and who are religious.
Ropoo, you are such a fucking retard you dumb fuck! Jesus H Christ! I shake my head when I see your moronic posts!
Where has the existence of a Creator been disproven? You claim this has been done thousands of times during the years. Please post this information for all to see.
Nobody can prove this at this point. Some scientists are even debating if our Universe is a computer simulation or Base Reality. And if it is a computer simulation it actually points to a Creator after all. Lol!
You're the last one to be referencing IQ numbers cockroach!
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What would it take for you to put down the fairy tale book?, what proof would convince you you've been praying to fresh air your whole life??
Well, I don't pray, go to Church or interpret the Bible literally. You do know it is possible to think there is a Creator and that the Universe is a Design and not take the Bible literally??!!
But what fairy tales do you believe in??? You think the sudden expansion of the Universe during the Big Bang just magically started? So the Universe just decided 13.772 Billion years ago: "Ok that's it, I am expanding right now!"
Really???!!!
Please explain scientifically exactly how this all happened on its own.
Good luck!
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If there is a God, then why are there no legit kigs?
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Well, I don't pray, go to Church or interpret the Bible literally. You do know it is possible to think there is a Creator and that the Universe is a Design and not take the Bible literally??!!
But what fairy tales do you believe in??? You think the sudden expansion of the Universe during the Big Bang just magically started? So the Universe just decided 13.772 Billion years ago: "Ok that's it, I am expanding right now!"
You can't cherry pick parts of the Bible. I'm guessing you're christian by legacy, I'm guessing you're white and do not speak Arameic.
Your first ancestors surely didn't believe in the bible, but one must remember were those words/books came from. None other than Babylonia, were it was crucial to keep people in order or else they would've been anarchism or chaos.
The bible much like the Torah & Q'uran are books to conquest the mind of the people and their land.
Creationist are just adapting as time goes by, now they are sticking with "disprove that god doesn't exist".
On the Big Bang, they can with mathematics & Physics estimate that the Universe is around 14 billion years old, because most light comes from a specific source.
With the Bible/Q'uran/Torah you've never guess it, because that's witchcraft to them. ::) ::)
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Why is it logical to assume this? To me the concept that the Universe was created by a Creator is more logical than that it spontaneously started.
Ahhh, so you were given senses?? Well then how can nothing give you something?? Surely you are referring to a Creator then with that phrase?? Instead you should have said "with our senses". ;D
Well lucky for you the universe didn't just spontaneously start. "Nothing" in physics terms doesn't exist. You should watch this video.
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Since we'll probably never discover the true origins all of matter in the universe, I think the belief in a creator God or higher power will always remain.
However, many stories in religious scripture can already be disproven or questioned.
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Just like Bigfoot will always be out there. You can't not not find him!
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Well lucky for you the universe didn't just spontaneously start. "Nothing" in physics terms doesn't exist. You should watch this video.
Watched it all. Always interested in learning more about the Universe. Some good stuff in there. But as much as he'd like to think he has all the answers, he simply doesn't.
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Man knows a lot but maybe he doesn't know everything.
I use this analogy - a dog *knows* and *has learned* that it likes to go for rides in the car. But the dog has *no concept whatsoever*, and is incapable of learning, about the internal combustion engine. So,,, maybe you should allow for the possibility that you don't know everything.
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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Take this scenario: I can create an imaginary character named "VinceG" who lives in the magical land of "heaven" but since I can't disprove that this character truly doesn't actually exist due to the fact that my reality is limited to that with which I can perceive, you can say that VinceG actually does indeed live in heaven.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
If we discover intelligent life out there in multitudes, that might shed some new light on it, but I don't think it is possible. Historically, all efforts to reconcile religion with science has failed, brilliant minds have tried.
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What if science can't disprove a creator?
Atheists have been saying science will prove theres no god longer than Christians have been waiting for the second coming.
People believe what they are taught whether it's true or not. Look no further than the American political system, the majority think their vote matters/counts when that is not true. But from birth they're taught that it does.
Even with all the advancements in the world science won't disprove god just like it won't create a time machine. People will still believe both are possible.
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So you think everything came into existence by chance and there is no creator?
No creator. Why do humans cling to this idea that everything must be by design or have a start?
The universe likely doesn't end ... and never began.
It just always was.
It's its own living entity, and with infinite time, evolution of all its components will result in all manner of matter and "life".
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What if science can't disprove a creator?
Atheists have been saying science will prove theres no god longer than Christians have been waiting for the second coming.
Science wants only explain if there's a creator or not. If there is then fine, at least they've proved it.
Scientist aren't afraid being wrong, that what's beautiful with science is that you can disprove theories to acquire better understanding.
However Creationist won't accept being wrong, they'll find ANY excuse dismissing that WRONG.
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you guys babble way to much. its very simple
as long as man fears death, there will be religion.
so guess what? there will always be religion.
its just about one thing. fear of dying
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I always liked this story
http://yes-23.com/other/albert-einstein-god-vs-science/ (http://yes-23.com/other/albert-einstein-god-vs-science/)
Albert Einstein: God vs Science
Posted by Lady Kathleen on January 17, 2016 · 85 Comments
albert-einstein wanted to share a piece about where the student argued the point of God vs Science with his professor.
‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’
The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand
‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’
‘Yes sir,’ the student says.
‘So you believe in God’
‘Absolutely.’
‘Is God good?’
‘Sure! God’s good.’
‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
‘Yes’
‘Are you good or evil?’
‘The Bible says I’m evil.’
The professor grins knowingly.
‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
‘Yes sir, I would.’
‘So you’re good…!’
‘I wouldn’t say that.’
‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?’
The student remains silent.
‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
‘Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?’
‘Er…yes,’ the student says.
‘Is Satan good?’
The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
‘Then where does Satan come from?’
The student falters. ‘From God’
‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’
‘Yes, sir.’
‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
‘Yes’
‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’
Again, the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’
The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
‘So who created them?’
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’ There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’
The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
‘No, sir, I have not.’
‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’
‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’
‘Yet you still believe in him?’
‘Yes’
‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’
‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’
‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’
‘And is there such a thing as cold?’
‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’
‘No sir, there isn’t.’
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.’
‘Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’
‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.’
‘In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’
‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’
The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’
‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’
‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’
‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’
‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’
The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter.
‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’
‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’
‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’
Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’
To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’
The professor sat down.
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you guys babble way to much. its very simple
as long as man fears death, there will be religion.
so guess what? there will always be religion.
its just about one thing. fear of dying
Exactly, if we never died, why would one spend their entire life worshiping God in order to live with him in the afterlife? That is the ultimate goal of religion. It's a tradeoff, I serve God, and get rewarded with eternal salvation. It plays solely on the fear of death.
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I believe that science will prove or disprove the existence of God in the next 50 years. Currently with the intellect and knowledge that humanity has amassed over the past several thousand years, it is logical to assume that God doesn't exist, but due to the fact that we can't DISPROVE it, religious nuts will always use that ONE SINGLE FACT to support their claims that God exists.
Take this scenario: I can create an imaginary character named "VinceG" who lives in the magical land of "heaven" but since I can't disprove that this character truly doesn't actually exist due to the fact that my reality is limited to that with which I can perceive, you can say that VinceG actually does indeed live in heaven.
The only saving grace for religion is the fact that humans can only perceive reality with the senses given to us from birth. Science is getting to the point where we are understanding the Universe in a different light, observing dark matter, and other quantum phenomenon that was once thought to never exist. In other words, our perception of reality is broadening greatly and is no longer limited to what we can see, hear, feel, touch, or taste.
Science, by definition, can never reveal the metaphysical.
But faith can. :)
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So you think everything came into existence by chance and there is no creator?
Just because evey religion is wrong doesn't mean there isn't a creator.
Were all agnostic until someone can prove their claims.
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What I find amazing is that all matter and all atoms came into existence at the same time 14 billion years ago. The same atoms have been swirling around ever since, just changing the molecules and particles and therefore the form of their existence over time.
We are all therefore 14 billion years old. The atoms making up my finger typing this might have been part of a Woolly Mammoth's tongue 100,000 years ago , a brontosaurus tooth 30 million years ago and one of Sergio's old thongs in the 60's.
Mind blowing stuff. We are actually swirling atoms forming entities which make up our conscious selves for a few years then zoom off to become part of something else. In fact even our livers are not the same atoms they were 5 years ago. We are constantly wearing our and replacing our organic selves with different atoms but the question is , why do we maintain the same consciousness despite changing our atoms during our lives?
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Re: If Science Proves Religion to be rooted in False Promises, What will happen?
Science only recently co-signed to whatever religion has said for 1000s of years.
People have been raving for 1000 of years before that GOD doesnt exist because we cant see him
So whats the difference if that happens again? The same thing that happened before
*FAITH*
If faith is based on logic, its not FAITH.If people believed in GOD based on science , you havent shown FAITH, youve showed reason
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Buddhism is the only religion that doesn't totally contradict modern science and some people say it's more of a philosophy than a actual religion.
I have respect for the teachings of the Blue eyed Ary-an Siddhartha Gautama since they are far more realistic than the ramblings of that bastard child Jesus.
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Buddhism is the only religion that doesn't totally contradict modern science and some people say it's more of a philosophy than a actual religion.
I have respect for the teachings of the Blue eyed Ary-an Siddhartha Gautama since they are far more realistic than the ramblings of that bastard child Jesus.
Man, what is it with you? You always reek of insecurity, seeking to want to belong to some group you feel superior at the time. Or should I say, you seem like a lost young man who feels inferior, so needs to associate with people who are written or seen as superior. My guess is you didn't have a good upbringing or strong family unit, so you constantly try and search for meaning from groups, religions, etc that you deem stronger or more "together" that what you had growing up.
Maybe if you actually practiced the teachings of Jesus, you would find peace within yourself, and stop searching for it with associations of others that you deem superior.
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Ropoo, you are such a fucking retard you dumb fuck! Jesus H Christ! I shake my head when I see your moronic posts!
Where has the existence of a Creator been disproven? You claim this has been done thousands of times during the years. Please post this information for all to see.
Nobody can prove this at this point. Some scientists are even debating if our Universe is a computer simulation or Base Reality. And if it is a computer simulation it actually points to a Creator after all. Lol!
You're the last one to be referencing IQ numbers cockroach!
Well, you just proved my words all together. You are just too fucking stupid to understand it, so there is no point to go any further with this. You live in blind faith, as always, and trust me: happiness is a warm foil hat ;D
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There is vast documentation that proves religions are myths.
But believers have an emotional connection with religion which many times provides them with the comfort they may not be receiving from the real world. Many of them are willing to ignore any evidence that contradicts their beliefs just to protect this shelter they have built up around their beliefs.
I was in the pentecostal church and emotionalism is high there.
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Regardless whether you believe in god or not, you will be left with less freedom in the Western civilization without Christian values in your general population…And here is why:
When you replace religion ( specifically Christianity/Jewish/Greek/Roman culture) with the STATE or science (that is currently owned by the state) –
How do you convince general society to be good or conform to social norms?
Religion gives people two internalized mechanism of compliance for Good:
1) An Internal compliance due to a conscious and sub-conscious Desire for virtue
2) An internal compliance due to Religion (I don't want to go to hell > I want to go to heaven)
WITHOUT religion (secular ethics) you are left with only 2 external mechanisms of compliance for Good:
3) Attack/punishment by the State, An external compliance due Threat to freedom, more regulation or Jail
4) Ostracism, scorn, verbal abuse by others.
So If Atheism/state/science destroys religion this will be replaced with a MUCH bigger more powerful government + more social justice warriors types :-X
Ironically Atheists instead of aligning themselves with Christian/Western ideals are hell bent ('scuse the pun) on bringing it down. But once the Christian/Western culture is destroyed a more forceful belief system may take it's place in the future - - something like lets say… Islam… which is not as tolerant and believes in death to ALL Atheists.
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Where did God come from? and when did God suddenly exist if God is responsible for the big bang?
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Religion is not needed to be good nor does morality comes from religion.
Most human beings have some let's call it instinctual sense of morality that prevents them from doing things that might harm others. If humans didn't have this our species most likely would not have made it to this date.
Science can also be used to refine a sense of morality or being good.
The bible says many things that today's society agrees are not good examples to follow.
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What will happen is people will have to take responsibility for their bigotry and prejudices.