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Title: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on July 31, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Trump is a pro-Russian candidate, and he doesn't even fully understand what is happening over there.

This statement is a pretty big foreign policy misstep. 




“He’s not going into Ukraine, okay, just so you understand,” Trump responded. “He’s not gonna go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.”

Stephanopoulos then pointed out that Putin is “already there” and noted Trump had said he’d consider recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea if he were elected president.

Trump said he’d “take a look at” the Russian take-over of Crimea but then made a pro-Kremlin talking point.

“But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were,” Trump said. “And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under– just so you understand, that was done under Obama’s administration.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-vows-putin-is-not-going-into-ukraine-two-years-after-russia-annexed-crimea/
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: MB_722 on July 31, 2016, 09:57:44 AM
Putin is already there.

Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: MB_722 on July 31, 2016, 09:59:09 AM
looking through the news

Trump and Manafort both deny they changed the GOP's platform language on Ukraine.

So who is in control of the campaign? if they aren't changing policy? they're liars
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: Straw Man on July 31, 2016, 11:20:35 AM
Trump just announced that Baghdad Bob will be his new Press Secretary

Trump has already explained who he looks to for advise on foreign policy

 
Quote
“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."

“But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."


Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed
Post by: whork on August 01, 2016, 03:50:02 AM
Trump is a pro-Russian candidate, and he doesn't even fully understand what is happening over there.

This statement is a pretty big foreign policy misstep. 




“He’s not going into Ukraine, okay, just so you understand,” Trump responded. “He’s not gonna go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.”

Stephanopoulos then pointed out that Putin is “already there” and noted Trump had said he’d consider recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea if he were elected president.

Trump said he’d “take a look at” the Russian take-over of Crimea but then made a pro-Kremlin talking point.

“But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were,” Trump said. “And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under– just so you understand, that was done under Obama’s administration.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-vows-putin-is-not-going-into-ukraine-two-years-after-russia-annexed-crimea/

This man is a foreign policy disaster waiting to happen.

If Trump wasnt so busy sucking Putins dick and writing tweets he could read up on foreign policy.

Hillary is a dirty girl but this guy is a fucking disaster on all levels.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 06:22:53 AM
Trump tried to clean it up by "well, when i'm president, Putin won't take ANY MORE of Crimea..."

This is AFTER he forced the RNC to CHANGE POSITIONS to loosen up on Putin in Ukraine.  He granted access to Putin, to take a country... without even knowing what is happening there already.   That is scary.   Inept?   Or worse, just changing shit his staff tells him to change.   

Props to getbiggers who aren't making up bullshit defenses for Trump.   
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed C
Post by: whork on August 01, 2016, 06:50:46 AM
Trump tried to clean it up by "well, when i'm president, Putin won't take ANY MORE of Crimea..."

This is AFTER he forced the RNC to CHANGE POSITIONS to loosen up on Putin in Ukraine.  He granted access to Putin, to take a country... without even knowing what is happening there already.   That is scary.   Inept?   Or worse, just changing shit his staff tells him to change.   

Props to getbiggers who aren't making up bullshit defenses for Trump.   

That is fucking scary.

The future commander-in-chief sucking up to Putin of all people. Pissing on 70 years of military coorporation with Europe and Nato.

I never thought i would see this.

The US is now a future soviet republic.

Reagan must be rolling in his grave.

Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed C
Post by: andreisdaman on August 01, 2016, 07:11:26 AM
That is fucking scary.

The future commander-in-chief sucking up to Putin of all people. Pissing on 70 years of military coorporation with Europe and Nato.

I never thought i would see this.

The US is now a future soviet republic.

Reagan must be rolling in his grave.



AGREED X2
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 09:25:01 AM
That is fucking scary.

The future commander-in-chief sucking up to Putin of all people. Pissing on 70 years of military coorporation with Europe and Nato.

I never thought i would see this.

The US is now a future soviet republic.

Reagan must be rolling in his grave.



It's not just Trump sucking up - I would just attribute that to the rudy/palin flirting thign with putin because he's strong.

What is SCARY is that trump FORCED the GOP to change ONE position leading into the convention - adopt a pro-russia approach to the ukraine.  That is massive.   AND he won't tell us if he owes the russian banks a lot of money - he and manifort stumble and will not answer.

Imagine if Trump owes hundreds of millions to russia - so he is going anti-Nato, pro-Putin, in an effort to pay off his debts. 

Reagan would be calling out Trump on this, folks.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: chadstallion on August 01, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
keeping the [almost] daily 'oops' I said it again  thing with the donald.  his misspoken remarks surely must be on the way to a calendar ; word a day type.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
keeping the [almost] daily 'oops' I said it again  thing with the donald.  his misspoken remarks surely must be on the way to a calendar ; word a day type.

do you think he magically became this stupid overnight?   Or he's doing it on purpose?
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Cr
Post by: whork on August 01, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
It's not just Trump sucking up - I would just attribute that to the rudy/palin flirting thign with putin because he's strong.

What is SCARY is that trump FORCED the GOP to change ONE position leading into the convention - adopt a pro-russia approach to the ukraine.  That is massive.   AND he won't tell us if he owes the russian banks a lot of money - he and manifort stumble and will not answer.

Imagine if Trump owes hundreds of millions to russia - so he is going anti-Nato, pro-Putin, in an effort to pay off his debts. 

Reagan would be calling out Trump on this, folks.


Agree.

This is not about democrat vs republican this is about a man with a huge ego, really bad judgement and with zero knowledge  especially on foreign policy.

The man should never come close to being president.

Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 01:17:31 PM

Agree.

This is not about democrat vs republican this is about a man with a huge ego, really bad judgement and with zero knowledge  especially on foreign policy.

The man should never come close to being president.



Trump WILL answer "I don't have any investments in Russia".   Which is great.

But he will NOT answer "Does Russia have any money invested in YOU" or "Do you owe russia money".

It should be a cakewalk for any candidate to outright answer these with a resounding "NO"!    He knows if he lies, someone will unearth the proof of it.  Imagine a US president who owes russia millions and millions of dollars.... and he happens to force GOP to CHANGE their ukraine position... and he happens to ask RUS to release stolen emails he admits contain classified info...

I know everyone called obama the kenyan manchurian candidate... but Trump really is looking like one.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: tonymctones on August 01, 2016, 05:04:40 PM
Holy shit this guys a fucking moron
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 05:30:22 PM
Holy shit this guys a fucking moron

Best case scenario: Trump is a fucking moron.

Scary case scenario: Trump owes hundreds of mil $ to Russian banks, and is hoping to use presidential power to drop NATO cover & let Putin cakewalk into Ukraine and other places. 

Maybe I give him too much credit... but I don't think Trump is a moron.  I don't think he's stupid.  I think he realizes the position he's in, and is kinda trying to lose this race so he doesn't have to end up being the president that restored Russian greatness.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Cr
Post by: whork on August 01, 2016, 05:34:11 PM
Trump WILL answer "I don't have any investments in Russia".   Which is great.

But he will NOT answer "Does Russia have any money invested in YOU" or "Do you owe russia money".

It should be a cakewalk for any candidate to outright answer these with a resounding "NO"!    He knows if he lies, someone will unearth the proof of it.  Imagine a US president who owes russia millions and millions of dollars.... and he happens to force GOP to CHANGE their ukraine position... and he happens to ask RUS to release stolen emails he admits contain classified info...

I know everyone called obama the kenyan manchurian candidate... but Trump really is looking like one.

That is still speculation but here is what we know:

A moron with absolutely zero experience-and-knowledge of foreign policy might be the next commander-in-chief.



Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: tonymctones on August 01, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
That is still speculation but here is what we know:

A moron with absolutely zero experience-and-knowledge of foreign policy might be the next commander-in-chief.




Or a moron with a lot of experience and horrible track record on foreign policy...

I mean I think we can all think back and remember elections when we thought both candidates were shit but nothing like this one.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
Or a moron with a lot of experience and horrible track record on foreign policy...

The USA is the only world super power.   Russia is broke and china stinks and NKorea are faking spacewalks and everyone else is barely eating.

While I truly believe hilary sucks bags of donkey dicks... i gotta say the USA is kicking ass.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: tonymctones on August 01, 2016, 05:52:54 PM
The USA is the only world super power.   Russia is broke and china stinks and NKorea are faking spacewalks and everyone else is barely eating.

While I truly believe hilary sucks bags of donkey dicks... i gotta say the USA is kicking ass.
What does this have to do with my post?

Does she or does she not have a horrible track record on foreign policy?
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 06:21:10 PM
What does this have to do with my post?

Does she or does she not have a horrible track record on foreign policy?

benghzi = obama let 4 heroes die so the world didn't find out what was going on there.  She was compliant and shuld have been required to testify against him in the trial, but since clods put politics before justice, they ignored obama and bragged how their 8th inquiry was hurting her in polls.  So they screwed the pooch there.

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I think the USA is kicking serious ass.
http://time.com/3899972/us-superpower-status-military/

I don't join the naysayers who declare (every 8 years coincidentally) that the sky is falling.   USA pwns everyone else.  Trump called Hilary the worst sec of state in history... he also said about 50 other lies.  So I take it with a grain of salt.

Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: tonymctones on August 01, 2016, 07:18:39 PM
benghzi = obama let 4 heroes die so the world didn't find out what was going on there.  She was compliant and shuld have been required to testify against him in the trial, but since clods put politics before justice, they ignored obama and bragged how their 8th inquiry was hurting her in polls.  So they screwed the pooch there.

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I think the USA is kicking serious ass.
http://time.com/3899972/us-superpower-status-military/

I don't join the naysayers who declare (every 8 years coincidentally) that the sky is falling.   USA pwns everyone else.  Trump called Hilary the worst sec of state in history... he also said about 50 other lies.  So I take it with a grain of salt.


How about the reset button she gave Russia?
How about the Iran deal?
How about China and the South China Sea?

LMFAO she has a horrible record as Secretary of State
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
Are you sure the Iran deal was bad?

Madeline Albright doesn't.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/31/opinions/albright-iran-deal-diplomacy/

Here are a shitload of US military folks that say the deal was a win
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/251607-military-experts-agree-iran-deal-is-win-for-american

i'd say at best, the reviews are split on this one, tony.
Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: tonymctones on August 01, 2016, 07:58:33 PM
Are you sure the Iran deal was bad?

Madeline Albright doesn't.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/31/opinions/albright-iran-deal-diplomacy/

Here are a shitload of US military folks that say the deal was a win
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/251607-military-experts-agree-iran-deal-is-win-for-american

i'd say at best, the reviews are split on this one, tony.
I'd say the proxy wars Iran continues to fight in Syria and Yemen make it an immediate failure. The fact that we have given them billions to continue their proxy wars.

Good to know you think Iran isn't a threat though.

Title: Re: Trump vows Putin ‘not going into Ukraine’-two years after Russia annexed Crimea
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 08:04:41 PM
I'd say the proxy wars Iran continues to fight in Syria and Yemen make it an immediate failure. The fact that we have given them billions to continue their proxy wars.

Good to know you think Iran isn't a threat though.



Are you saying all of the military leaders are mistaken?