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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SF1900 on August 09, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
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Why does America dominate so many Olympic sports, yet they totally stink when it comes to Weightlifting?
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Midgets are good at weightlifting, the US does not have a lot of midgets. Does this help?
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Why does America dominate so many Olympic sports, yet they totally stink when it comes to Weightlifting?
It is because at the high school level at the top of the heap are the football coaches; At a big number two comes the baseball and basketball coaches tieing; a distant three with track and field bringing up the rear...Well, it doesn't look like there is much support for the sport of Olympic style lifting...Believe me...I know...
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It is because at the high school level at the top of the heap are the football coaches; At a big number two comes the baseball and basketball coaches tieing; a distant three with track and field bringing up the rear...Well, it doesn't look like there is much support for the sport of Olympic style lifting...Believe me...I know...
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We need to hire coaches that understand the importance of competitive weightlifting.
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We need to hire coaches that understand the importance of competitive weightlifting.
Coach Heath?
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Last few sessions have been the smaller weight classes, they favor the Asians, although our female 48kg lifter came in 6th, which isn't too bad. We're fielding 6 athletes this year, and most are in the upper middle and heavier classes that haven't competed yet.
That being said, we don't compete well because -
1) We sadly don't have a nice nationalized drug program to help our guys beat the tests.
2) Lack of a big talent pool to choose from. The US has never been a big weightlifting country, even when York barbell sponsored and funneled the best lifters to it, and we had better teams, it still wasn't a tremendously popular sport in the States comparatively.
In the Former Eastern Bloc countries, Middle East, Asia, etc.... being a high level Olympic Weightlifter is a moneyed, and respected position. Here it's usually a curiosity, that gets a pat on the back, and maybe a extra few hundred a month stipend at the highest levels.
Any talented kids that might of done well at weightlifting get funneled to the prestige sports here, usually Football. Watch the strength training videos from college and NFL teams, lots of talent there.
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Last few sessions have been the smaller weight classes, they favor the Asians, although our female 48kg lifter came in 6th, which isn't too bad. We're fielding 6 athletes this year, and most are in the upper middle and heavier classes that haven't competed yet.
That being said we don't compete well because -
1) We sadly don't have a nice nationalized drug program to help our guys beat the tests.
2) Lack of a big talent pool to choose from. The US has never been a big weightlifting country, even when York barbell sponsored and funneled the best lifters to it, and we had better teams, it still wasn't a tremendously popular sport in the States comparatively.
In the Former Eastern Bloc countries, Middle East, Asia, etc.... being a high level Olympic Weightlifter is a moneyed, and respected position. Here it's usually a curiosity, that gets a pat on the back, and maybe a extra few hundred a month stipend at the highest levels.
Any talented kids that might of done well at weightlifting get funneled to the prestige sports here, usually Football. Watch the strength training videos from college and NFL, lots of talent there.
Can we introduce these high school students to Melvin Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HHP, CEO?
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Can we introduce these high school students to Melvin Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HHP, CEO?
Not sure the USAW and IOC would take kindly to our athletes hanging around a noted guru like Goodrum.
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If the Olympics had a box squat event I'm sure Coach could provide you with a medallist.
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Foam Rolling should be an Olympic Sport.
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Not sure the USAW and IOC would take kindly to our athletes hanging around a noted guru like Goodrum.
It may give them an unfair advantage.
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Besides Ken Patera and Mark Henry, most Americans are unable to name another American weightlifter.
And those two are far more famous as "wrestlers" than for any legitimate athletic achievements.
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Because Americans would rather see men in thongs that look like they can press 500 pounds
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In the Former Eastern Bloc countries, Middle East, Asia, etc.... being a high level Olympic Weightlifter is a moneyed, and respected position. Here it's usually a curiosity, that gets a pat on the back, and maybe a extra few hundred a month stipend at the highest levels.
This is completely untrue.Since I know personally and very well most of our european,world and olympic weightlifting champions from the 70's,80's,90's I can tell you the following:
1.They get no money,just some small stipend every month,because everything is/was covered by the state.
2.When you are on the national team you live and train in our capital city where the main bases are.
3.You workout 3 times a day 363 days in a year and this time includes training,going to competition,training camps at home and abroad.The days off were 12/31 - 1/1, then go back to training.
4.You are property of the government basically.
5.Social status - yes but doesn't do anything for you except people praising you - doesn't bring any benefits.
6.When get a medal from the above mentioned competitions you get one time small lump sum and a small apartment or a russian car/Volga in most cases/ depending on the medal and the competition.
7.Your career starts usually when you are 12-13 years old and is finished before you are 30.
8.Your body is completely torn and broken already for the rest of your life.
9.End of your career means you become a coach/you already have the diploma without even stepping in school/ and your days consist of boring hours at the gym without even coaching the new generation and impatiently waiting for the end of the day when you go to your favorite restaurant and start drinking and eating with your team buddies till late night.This is repeating every day.
10.Like in pro bodybuilding 90% of them are completely broke and in poor health and some are no longer between us anymore.
P.S. I am talking about Bulgaria.
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Óscar Figueroa from Colombia.....won Gold medal yesterday......stand 5'3, 137lbs snatch cleaned a 357lbs
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Why isn't current WSM Brian Shaw competing in the heavyweights?
Oh wait, drugs right?
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This is completely untrue.Since I know personally and very well most of our european,world and olympic weightlifting champions from the 70's,80's,90's I can tell you the following:
1.They get no money,just some small stipend every month,because everything is/was covered by the state.
2.When you are on the national team you live and train in our capital city where the main bases are.
3.You workout 3 times a day 363 days in a year and this time includes training,going to competition,training camps at home and abroad.The days off were 12/31 - 1/1, then go back to training.
4.You are property of the government basically.
5.Social status - yes but doesn't do anything for you except people praising you - doesn't bring any benefits.
6.When get a medal from the above mentioned competitions you get one time small lump sum and a small apartment or a russian car/Volga in most cases/ depending on the medal and the competition.
7.Your career starts usually when you are 12-13 years old and is finished before you are 30.
8.Your body is completely torn and broken already for the rest of your life.
9.End of your career means you become a coach/you already have the diploma without even stepping in school/ and your days consist of boring hours at the gym without even coaching the new generation and impatiently waiting for the end of the day when you go to your favorite restaurant and start drinking and eating with your team buddies till late night.This is repeating every day.
10.Like in pro bodybuilding 90% of them are completely broke and in poor health and some are no longer between us anymore.
P.S. I am talking about Bulgaria.
Wow- great post. Sounds pretty bleak for most lifters there.
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I have been in and out of gyms, of all types, for almost 40 years. In all that time, I only remember two occasions where I saw someone doing Olympic lifts. It just isn't done here in the USA as a hobby or common sport.
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This is completely untrue.Since I know personally and very well most of our european,world and olympic weightlifting champions from the 70's,80's,90's I can tell you the following:
1.They get no money,just some small stipend every month,because everything is/was covered by the state.
2.When you are on the national team you live and train in our capital city where the main bases are.
3.You workout 3 times a day 363 days in a year and this time includes training,going to competition,training camps at home and abroad.The days off were 12/31 - 1/1, then go back to training.
4.You are property of the government basically.
5.Social status - yes but doesn't do anything for you except people praising you - doesn't bring any benefits.
6.When get a medal from the above mentioned competitions you get one time small lump sum and a small apartment or a russian car/Volga in most cases/ depending on the medal and the competition.
7.Your career starts usually when you are 12-13 years old and is finished before you are 30.
8.Your body is completely torn and broken already for the rest of your life.
9.End of your career means you become a coach/you already have the diploma without even stepping in school/ and your days consist of boring hours at the gym without even coaching the new generation and impatiently waiting for the end of the day when you go to your favorite restaurant and start drinking and eating with your team buddies till late night.This is repeating every day.
10.Like in pro bodybuilding 90% of them are completely broke and in poor health and some are no longer between us anymore.
P.S. I am talking about Bulgaria.
Fair enough. I'd argue that the physical worn out aspect is simply part and parcel of most tough sports. I'd also argue that while it probably is true that most Euro lifters wind up busted out, the rewards and opportunities that they have are still greater than what US lifters get while they are in their competitive years, at least up until recently. For instance, the US stipend was just changed to a hypothetical maximum of $3200/mo (it use to be $1200), with most of our best lifters probably averaging about $1600/mo.
This might seem decent, but price adjusted, it's not that great. Also these larger stipends are very new, and only came about after much shaming was done in the press (ex - http://archive.indianexpress.com/olympics/news/america-s-top-weightlifter-sarah-robles-surviving-on-mere--400-a-month-stipend/977055/).
The Russians were, and probably still are ahead of us in terms of payment and reward of lifters - http://www.allthingsgym.com/russian-weightlifting-demands-paychecks/ .
The Chinese too, also rewarded their lifters better than us if they did well -
http://olympics.time.com/2012/07/19/chinas-olympic-weight-lifting-and-diving/ .
"For their years of service, the lifters receive a state salary. Even for Olympic champions, the annual amount rarely breaks $10,000, and any money from endorsements is shared with the national federation. The athletes I speak to profess no resentment. “Our food, housing, clothing, tuition—it’s all paid for,” says Liu, who receives around $9,700 a year from provincial and national-level sports bureaus—10 times the average rural Chinese income." .
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Why isn't current WSM Brian Shaw competing in the heavyweights?
Oh wait, drugs right?
It would've been interesting to see what a giant like Shaw could've done during heydays of weightlifting, especially during the years the Olympic Press was contested. That being said, many Strongmen and Powerlifters that have crossed over have only been fair to middling on the World stage.
A theory proposed years ago by a Olympic strength coach was that Americans tended to overlook technique and favor brute force to make up for it. He supported this theory by pointing out that the Americans were far more successful when the press was still allowed in competition. They usually did good to great in the C/J, lost ground in the more technical Snatch lift, then made it up on the Press because it was more of a grinding, slow lift.
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Why would any powerful strong athletic US guy get into Olympic lifting when there are professional sports like NFL football?
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brian shaw steroid fagget CHEATER?
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So are they still breaking records in the all natural sport of Olympic weight lifting?
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Why isn't current WSM Brian Shaw competing in the heavyweights?
Because he's ... not a weightlifter?
To excel on the world stage in Olympic lifting, an athlete needs to begin the technical practice at a young age.
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Ouch.....that's how you Break an Olympic record... :-X :-X......430 lbs.....I have a feeling he will never attempt this again