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By Michael Moore
Friends,
Donald Trump never actually wanted to be President of the United States. I know this for a fact. I’m not going to say how I know it. I’m not saying that Trump and I shared the same agent or lawyer or stylist or, if we did, that that would have anything to do with anything. And I’m certainly not saying that I ever overheard anything at those agencies or in the hallways of NBC or anywhere else. But there are certain people reading this right now, they know who they are, and they know that every word in the following paragraphs actually happened.
Trump was unhappy with his deal as host and star of his hit NBC show, “The Apprentice” (and “The Celebrity Apprentice”). Simply put, he wanted more money. He had floated the idea before of possibly running for president in the hopes that the attention from that would make his negotiating position stronger. But he knew, as the self-proclaimed king of the dealmakers, that saying you’re going to do something is bupkus — DOING it is what makes the bastards sit up and pay attention.
Trump had begun talking to other networks about moving his show. This was another way to get leverage — the fear of losing him to someone else — and when he “quietly” met with the head of one of those networks, and word got around, his hand was strengthened. He knew then that it was time to play his Big Card.
He decided to run for President.
Of course he wouldn’t really have to RUN for President — just make the announcement, hold a few mega-rallies that would be packed with tens of thousands of fans, and wait for the first opinion polls to come in showing him — what else! — in first place! And then he would get whatever deal he wanted, worth millions more than what he was currently being paid.
So, on June 16th of last year, he rode down his golden escalator and opened his mouth. With no campaign staff, no 50-state campaign infrastructure — neither of which he needed because, remember, this wasn’t going to be a real campaign — and with no prepared script, he went off the rails at his kick-off press conference, calling Mexicans “rapists” and “drug dealers” and pledging to build a wall to keep them all out. Jaws in the room were agape. His comments were so offensive, NBC, far from offering him a bigger paycheck, immediately fired him with this terse statement: “Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump.” NBC said it was also canceling the beauty pageants owned by Trump: Miss USA and Miss Universe. BOOM.
Trump was stunned. So much for the art of the deal. He never expected this, but he stuck to his plan anyway to increase his “value” in the eyes of the other networks by showing them how many millions of Americans wanted Him to be their Leader. He knew, of course (and the people he trusted also told him) that there was no way he was actually going to win many (if any) of the primaries, and he certainly would not become the Republican nominee, and NEVER would he EVER be the President of the United States. Of course not! Nor would he want to be! The job of being President is WORK and BORING and you have to live in the GHETTO of Washington, DC, in a SMALL 200-yr. old house that’s damp and dreary and has only TWO floors! A “second floor” is not a penthouse! But none of this was a worry, as “Trump for President” was only a ruse that was going to last a few months.
And then something happened. And to be honest, if it happened to you, you might have reacted the same way. Trump, to his own surprise, ignited the country, especially among people who were the opposite of billionaires. He went straight to #1 in the polls of Republican voters. Up to 30,000 boisterous supporters started showing up to his rallies. TV ate it up. He became the first American celebrity to be able to book himself on any show he wanted to be on — and then NOT show up to the studio! From “Face the Nation” to “The Today Show” to Anderson Cooper, he was able to simply phone in and they’d put him on the air live. He could’ve been sitting on his golden toilet in Trump Tower for all we knew –and the media had no problem with any of that. In fact, CBS head Les Moonves famously admitted that Trump was very good for TV ratings and selling ads — music to the ears the NBC-spurned narcissist.
Trump fell in love with himself all over again, and he soon forgot his mission to get a good deal for a TV show. A TV show? Are you kldding – that’s for losers like Chris Harrison, whoever that is (host of “The Bachelorette”). He was no longer king of the dealmakers — he was King of the World! His tiniest musings would be discussed and dissected everywhere by everybody for days, weeks, months! THAT never happened on “The Apprentice”! Host a TV show? He was the star of EVERY TV SHOW — and, soon, winning nearly every primary!
And then… you can see the moment it finally dawned on him… that “Oh shit!” revelation: “I’m actually going to be the Republican nominee — and my rich beautiful life is f#*@ing over!” It was the night he won the New Jersey primary. The headline on TIME.com was, “Donald Trump’s Subdued Victory Speech After Winning New Jersey.” Instead of it being one of his loud, brash speeches, it was downright depressing. No energy, no happiness, just the realization that now he was going to have to go through with this stunt that he started. It was no longer going to be performance art. He was going to have to go to work.
Soon, though, his karma caught up with him. Calling Mexicans “rapists” should have disqualified him on Day One (or for saying Obama wasn’t born here, as he did in 2011). No, it took 13 months of racist, sexist, stupid comments before he finally undid himself with the trifecta of attacking the family of a slain soldier, ridiculing the Purple Heart and suggesting that the pro-gun crowd assassinate Hillary Clinton. By this past weekend, the look on his face said it all — “I hate this! I want my show back!” But it was too late. He was damaged goods, his brand beyond repair, a worldwide laughing stock — and worse, a soon-to-be loser.
But, let me throw out another theory, one that assumes that Trump isn’t as dumb or crazy as he looks. Maybe the meltdown of the past three weeks was no accident. Maybe it’s all part of his new strategy to get the hell out of a race he never intended to see through to its end anyway. Because, unless he is just “crazy,” the only explanation for the unusual ramping up, day after day, of one disgustingly reckless statement after another is that he’s doing it consciously (or subconsciously) so that he’ll have to bow out or blame “others” for forcing him out. Many now are sensing the end game here because they know Trump seriously doesn’t want to do the actual job — and, most importantly, he cannot and WILL NOT suffer through being officially and legally declared a loser — LOSER! — on the night of November 8th.
Trust me, I’ve met the guy. Spent an afternoon with him. He would rather invite the Clintons AND the Obamas to his next wedding than have that scarlet letter (“L”) branded on his forehead seconds after the last polls have closed on that night, the evening of the final episode of the permanently cancelled Donald Trump Shit-Show.
Yours,
Michael Moore
Postscript:
Don, if you’re reading this, do it soon. Give your pathetic party a chance to pick up the pieces and nominate Ryan or Romney so they can be the ones to lose the White House, the Senate, the House and yes, praise Jesus and the Notorious RBG, the Supreme Court. Don’t be too hard on yourself. You’re only the logical conclusion to a party that has lived off the currency of racism and bigotry and fellating the 1% for decades, and now their Trump has come home to roost.
http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/
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Another one quoting Michael Moore...lol
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Another one quoting Michael Moore...lol
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How about if we quote a bunch of GOP'ers? ;)
GOP Operatives Aren’t So Sure That Trump Even Wants To Win
What used to be a playful question tossed around by Republican operatives about Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is now being taken far more seriously: Is it possible that he is trying to lose?
The notion, on the surface, seems preposterous. What politician would put himself through the crucible of a presidential campaign with the hope of falling short? But as Trump has stumbled badly on the trail and in the polls, and as his reaction to both has proven increasingly erratic, the theory of self-sabotage has gained traction among Trump critics.
“I think he has psychologically collapsed and is both consciously and unconsciously looking for an exit,” said Rick Wilson, a longtime GOP operative who rarely holds back in his disdain for Trump.
“It’s either that [he’s trying to lose] or it’s complete and utter incompetence in every facet of his campaign,” said Brian Walsh, another veteran Republican hand and Trump critic. “When you look at how he’s conducting every aspect of the campaign it seems entirely fair to ask if he’s purposefully trying to lose because the only alternative answer is complete arrogance and incompetence. And I’m not ruling out complete arrogance and incompetence.”
The sense that Trump desperately wants to avoid the responsibilities of being president hasn’t been plucked from thin air. Rather, it’s been fueled by a series of decisions made by both Trump and his campaign that have left even favorably disposed operatives baffled.
Trump reportedly raised $80 million in July. But he brags about not having run television ads and a Democratic ad tracker said his frugality extends to the radio airwaves too. He’s campaigned in places where he stands little chance of winning and been slow to open offices in critical battlegrounds. He’s insisted he can “act presidential” but has refused to do so. He’s forsworn campaign-like tours in favor of big rallies followed by flights back to New York and nights in his own bed. And recently, on the trail, he told supporters he didn’t want them to donate to his campaign.
His closest advisers are his children. But they have been traveling during these critical weeks. (His daughter, Ivanka, is currently vacationing with Vladimir Putin’s rumored girlfriend Wendi Deng ― a jaunt to Croatia that suggests a complete disregard for the optics of being too cozy with the Russian strongman.)
And then there’s the state of the rest of his staff.
“That’s the thing that bothers me. So let’s suppose he is a smart businessman, just for this argument’s sake. He has marketing and communications and advertising and finance people in his resort, golf courses, real estate ventures and other things. He moves almost none of them over, save a lawyer and a digital/policy guy, both of whom are unhinged?” said Rory Cooper, who was a top operative to former Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
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Fuck Michael Moore.
hahah ...
even if you read that and tie together, that Trump wants to start a tv network for the now disenfranchised right.
Moore is on to something.
Trump wants your money. he doesn't give a fuck about anything else. He will sellout for anything.
and wasn't there like 50 prominent GOP member denouncing Trump recently?
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lol....oh boy!
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The strange thing is that even some republicans say he may sabotaging his own campaign. Its not just democrats saying this.
Personally speaking, since I have no evidence (getbiggers hate evidence anyway), I think Trump went into this not actually thinking he would make it this far. I think he just thought to himself, "Meh, I will run for shits and giggles." I don't think he thought it would get this far. I can't picture Trump getting up at 6:00am and doing presidential things. I just can't. He even stated, "If I lose, that's okay." Most people who want to win at something do not have that type of attitude. He is very nonchalant about the possibility of losing. Does he even care? ??? ???
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The strange thing is that even some republicans say he may sabotaging his own campaign. Its not just democrats saying this.
Personally speaking, since I have no evidence (getbiggers hate evidence anyway), I think Trump went into this not actually thinking he would make it this far. I think he just thought to himself, "Meh, I will run for shits and giggles." I don't think he thought it would get this far. I can't picture Trump getting up at 6:00am and doing presidential things. I just can't. He even stated, "If I lose, that's okay." Most people who want to win at something do not have that type of attitude. He is very nonchalant about the possibility of losing. Does he even care? ??? ???
Good question. Does trump even want to win? Sure isn't acting like it.
He just hired "yes men", CTers who will 'let trump be trump'. No pivot now. He just stabbed the RNC in the heart :(
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Good question. Does trump even want to win? Sure isn't acting like it.
He just hired "yes men", CTers who will 'let trump be trump'. No pivot now. He just stabbed the RNC in the heart :(
so you're saying he wasn't "planted" by Clinton and he really didn't do all just as a favor for his "wedding buddy" and isn't really expecting Hillary to give him billions in government contracts
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so you're saying he "planted" by Clinton and he really didn't do all just as a favor for his "wedding buddy" and isn't really expecting Hillary to give him billions in government contracts
Do you believe it's likely Clinton wanted him to run as a way to increase the odds to the max that Hillary would win? Given that Clinton knows Trump, personally, and that Trump has a "malignant narcissistic personality" as you've stated (and as I can't deny).
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Do you believe it's likely Clinton wanted him to run as a way to increase the odds to the max that Hillary would win? Given that Clinton knows Trump, personally, and that Trump has a "malignant narcissistic personality" as you've stated (and as I can't deny).
I don't think the Clintons gave it any thought at all nor were involved
Go back to last summer and think if anyone even gave this guy of a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomimation
Also consider there were 16 other candidates. I think Hillary was probably prepping for Bush or maybe and outside chance of Cruz
I also don't think they are friends. At the very most they were casual acquaintances due to her former role as Senator from New York .
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I don't think the Clintons gave it any thought at all nor were involved
Go back to last summer and think if anyone even gave this guy of a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomimation
Also consider there were 16 other candidates. I think Hillary was probably prepping for Bush or maybe and outside chance of Cruz
I also don't think they are friends. At the very most they were casual acquaintances due to her former role as Senator from New York .
Thanks, Straw.
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Thanks, Straw.
I was at a party last weekend and the one thing that almost everyone agreed was that they wish the election would happen immediately
Everyone was sick of the process and no one was undecided
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I was at a party last weekend and the one thing that almost everyone agreed was that they wish the election would happen immediately
Everyone was sick of the process and no one was undecided
yeah - liberal twinks in San Fran are afraid of the damage to Hilarity of more wikileaks exposure of her crimes and scandals. No surprise there
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yeah - liberal twinks in San Fran are afraid of the damage to Hilarity of more wikileaks exposure of her crimes and scandals. No surprise there
Most people there were executives for Boeing who were Republicans but can't stand Trump
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I was at a party last weekend and the one thing that almost everyone agreed was that they wish the election would happen immediately
Everyone was sick of the process and no one was undecided
Not me. I want this thing to have a chance to settle down somehow, so we can have an actual race with real choices. I understand it's getting so close to the day, anyway, but I'd prefer to remain faithful or at least hopeful.
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Most people there were executives for Boeing who were Republicans but can't stand Trump
What did they say they'd planned to do, then? As far as choosing.
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What did they say they'd planned to do, then? As far as choosing.
I didn't ask anyone who they were voting for
I rarely discuss politics with anyone that I know via business (or even in casual social settings)
Just no upside in it and huge potential for unnecessary bad feelings
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By Michael Moore
http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/
Wall of text.
Normally I would ask for Cliffs notes but "by Michael Moore" suffices.
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I didn't ask anyone who they were voting for
I rarely discuss politics with anyone that I know via business (or even in casual social settings)
Just no upside in it and huge potential for unnecessary bad feelings
I won't discuss it for those reasons, yeah. No point.
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And exactly what can you say, but that the candidates suck.
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And exactly what can you say, but that the candidates suck.
I've tried "they all suck" premise but then you upset the supporters of Obama, Trump, Clinton, X, etc..
best bet is to avoid the topic with people you do business with and at parties too
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I've tried "they all suck" premise but then you upset the supporters of Obama, Trump, Clinton, X, etc..
best bet is to avoid the topic with people you do business with and at parties too
Yes, because then they automatically think you're for "that other person". What a mess. It's best just to stick to the issues.
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Its so funny how angry liberal people get when they learn Hillary sat in the front row of trumps wedding ceremony and is pals w him.
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Its so funny how angry liberal people get when they learn Hillary sat in the front row of trumps wedding ceremony and is pals w him.
weird, never seen or heard anyone anywhere express anger over that
also not aware of anyone who thinks they are pals
when you imagine this nonsense do you also imagine that Trump fans are angry he invited her to his wedding and are pals?
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weird, never seen or heard anyone anywhere express anger over that
also not aware of anyone who thinksitthey are pals
when you imagine this nonsense do you also imagine that Trump fans are angry he invited her to his wedding and are pals?
Straw... as Bill C was thinking about possible strategy for Hillary's campaign, as I'm sure he couldn't help himself but to do: do you think he'd rather Trump be in or out? Not as to make a prediction he'd get the nomination, necessarily, but just to have him run for any length of time at all.
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Yes, because then they automatically think you're for "that other person". What a mess. It's best just to stick to the issues.
no, it's because you included their guy in the "they all suck" category
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Straw... as Bill C was thinking about possible strategy for Hillary's campaign, as I'm sure he couldn't help himself but to do: do you think he'd rather Trump be in or out? Not as to make a prediction he'd get the nomination, necessarily, but just to have him run for any length of time at all.
a year ago there were ~ 17 people running for the Republican nomination
I don't know that Bill is running her campaign but I don't think he or anyone gave Trump much thought, especially a year ago
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no, it's because you included their guy in the "they all suck" category
I've noticed if you pull that card when someone states a choice, then they'll immediately jump on the idea that you're against it.
But the most ridiculous thing to me, is that these two asshat parties that cause so much division in Americans (family members screaming over petty political shit), both happen to be angling toward exactly what the wealthiest people want. Isn't that funny? What a coincidence.
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a year ago there were ~ 17 people running for the Republican nomination
I don't know that Bill is running her campaign but I don't think he or anyone gave Trump much thought, especially a year ago
Trump's personality being what it is, and with Clinton being even more privvy to it than most -- would you admit that Clinton could see Trump as being ideal opposition for Hillary, and for any length of time that could be had?
Because you don't deny Hillary has very little going for her when it comes to generating enthusiasm. Do you?
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Trump's personality being what it is, and with Clinton being even more privvy to it than most -- would you admit that Clinton could see Trump as being ideal opposition for Hillary, and for any length of time that could be had?
Because you don't deny Hillary has very little going for her when it comes to generating enthusiasm. Do you?
any length of time
you mean any time during the Republican primary?
I don't think they gave him any thought at all during that time until maybe the very end when it was clear he was going to the the nominee
I have no enthusiasm for Hillary but I was at an event in Cupertino about 3 months ago where Bill Maher and Fran Lebowitz were having this semi moderated on stage discussion and Maher threw out Bernie and Hillary and Hillary got much more applause which truly surprised me. Also, Lebowitz was much funnier than Maher which was also surprising
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any length of time
you mean any time during the Republican primary?
I don't think they gave him any thought at all during that time until maybe the very end when it was clear he was going to the the nominee
Yes, to say the longer the better, with any time being better than no time. Seeing as how Hillary was due to be the heavyweight for the (D), a circus act to which she'd seem competent by comparison.
I have no enthusiasm for Hillary but I was at an event in Cupertino about 3 months ago where Bill Maher and Fran Lebowitz were having this semi moderated on stage discussion and Maher threw out Bernie and Hillary and Hillary got much more applause which truly surprised me. Also, Lebowitz was much funnier than Maher which was also surprising
Doesn't surprise me. Tech country (which could have had a big dent placed in the liberties they take with information, if Bernie was able to take charge), establishment Dems like Primemuscle, etc.