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Title: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2016, 10:07:19 PM
TONIGHT on Bill OReilly.   Trump no longer wants detention centers.  He will not deport 11 million after all.
He wants to enforce Obama's laws.  He will only deport violent criminals and terrorists.
Trump says Obama is the worst president ever. Then adopts his policies. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/23/trumps-new-immigration-plan-do-what-obama-is-doing-but-with-a-lot-more-energy/

Trump’s new immigration plan: Do what Obama is doing but ‘with a lot more energy’

After spending a few days reflecting on his immigration stances and consulting with Hispanic supporters, Donald Trump on Monday detailed how he would deal with the millions of immigrants illegally living in the United States: Enforce laws that are already on the books and continue to do what President Obama is doing, although "perhaps with a lot more energy."

This strategy marks a sudden change for the Republican nominee, who has presented himself as a politically incorrect outsider who is not afraid to take extreme measures to combat illegal immigration, such as deporting 11 million people or constructing a massive wall along the southern border. For more than a year, Trump insisted that all illegal immigrants "have got to go" and that he would create a "deportation force" to carry out the task.

Trump struck a starkly different tone during an interview with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News that aired on Monday night. Trump said he would separate the country's undocumented immigrants into two groups: The "bad ones" who would be kicked out of the country as soon as he takes office and "everybody else" who would go through the same process that the Obama Administration is currently using.

"The first thing we're going to do if and when I win is we're going to get rid of all of the bad ones," Trump said. "We've got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country. We're going to get them out, and the police know who they are. They're known by law enforcement who they are. We don't do anything. They go around killing people and hurting people and they're going to be out of this country so fast your head will spin. We have existing laws that allow you to do that."
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Master Blaster on August 22, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 22, 2016, 11:53:18 PM
Over 30k of corruption emails from your girl Killary with another 15k released today and this is the best you can do? lmao

Was she under fire getting shot at when she got off the plane here today? Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 23, 2016, 12:11:42 AM
Over 30k of corruption emails from your girl Killary with another 15k released today and this is the best you can do? lmao
Was she under fire getting shot at when she got off the plane here today? Hahahahaha

I'm not sure the point of this post.  We are well aware of these things.

But today, Trump single-handedly flipflopped on the MAIN thing his supporters wanted - him deporting the illegals like he promised.

This is a huge political story.  How will his base react?  Trump just adopted the Obama amnesty plan.  Say that out loud, coach.  Trump just embraced Obama on Amnesty.  He abandoned his base.  He abandoned you, Coach.  The illegals will flow into Trump's America now. 

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 23, 2016, 12:21:51 AM
NOT SURPRISED

SAD
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: NickEdge779 on August 23, 2016, 12:35:59 AM
Donald Trump is actually a genius. he starts out as an extremist to get the far right wing vote, then he comes more towards the center to get the more moderate voters and the swing voters towards election day. I think he can beat Hilary tbh.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 23, 2016, 12:38:33 AM
I debate trump daily.  For a year now.  The absolute top issue of his supporters is amnesty.

He will take a hit with his base due to this desperate swing for the left.  And how many strong amnesty supporters are going to magically want trump now? I doubt many.

He is letting the illegals stay after it was the number one plank in his campaign for a year.

Trying to lose?  This is how you'd do it. 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 23, 2016, 01:29:39 AM
santa isn't real

the wall is not coming

the mexicans aren't going anywhere

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/020/718/ClEVa9fWEAAV3v4.jpg)

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 23, 2016, 03:31:17 AM
There will be some defectors over this. Question is, will he bring on new voters in larger numbers due to this flip flop.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 23, 2016, 10:08:56 PM
"What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country."


Trump trolled those conservative supporters pretty hard.  He's freaking complimenting the President here.  


TRUMP'S WALL:
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: SaintAnger on August 24, 2016, 12:28:56 AM
Agreed.  Trump sold out for the Brown Vote. 

Guess being a "powerful businessman" has its downside:  he has a price, too.   ;D
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: _bruce_ on August 24, 2016, 01:53:49 AM
Politicans gonna politician.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 24, 2016, 04:03:15 AM
the nominee will follow obama because he is fully satisfied with the way obama and the dems have managed the immigration file

he loves and admires what obama has done therefore obama will guide his immigration policy

very happy with the way things are under obama presently and nothing will change!

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Red Hook on August 24, 2016, 04:51:11 AM
Just so that I understand...

Trump has done a complete 180 on one of the main focal points of his campaign.  To the point where he is copying the policies of someone that he and his followers considers to be "giving America away to immigrants"


and Coach's response is: "But Killary has thousands of emails"

Great come back

I wonder what Coach is going to say when Donald "pivots" on gun control and abortion.


also let's not forget he has already "pivoted" on Muslims.  


Honestly Donald now has a typical Democrat party platform.. great job on being a double agent.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: polychronopolous on August 24, 2016, 04:57:04 AM
240 isn't saying anything new at all.

Trump has stated the fantastic ones can stay for months now.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 24, 2016, 05:37:33 AM
I debate trump daily.  For a year now.  The absolute top issue of his supporters is amnesty.

He will take a hit with his base due to this desperate swing for the left.  And how many strong amnesty supporters are going to magically want trump now? I doubt many.

He is letting the illegals stay after it was the number one plank in his campaign for a year.

Trying to lose?  This is how you'd do it. 

You don't debate anything, you just make up lies.  Where does this "he will deport only violent criminals and terrorists" come from?  It is a flat out lie.

You have been shown to be a liar repeatedly.  But you ignore it and start another thread.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
You don't debate anything, you just make up lies.  Where does this "he will deport only violent criminals and terrorists" come from?  It is a flat out lie.

You have been shown to be a liar repeatedly.  But you ignore it and start another thread.

4 getbiggers just realized Trump did a complete 180 on the main issue of his campaign.  You respond with calling me names ;)

I get it.  Personal attacks work when the rest of the thread is just Trump being Trump... a lying democrat who was pushing obama policy all along.  The worst part is how Trump punked Rubio and Jeb for being so soft on immigration... and now he's doing the exact same thing so he can court minority voters.  He thinks his base will be busy with name-calling, they won't notice he's obama on amnesty all over again.

But hey, call 240 names.  Ignore the other points made by other getbiggers.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:56:27 AM

240 isn't saying anything new at all.

Trump has stated the fantastic ones can stay for months now.

and for months, people have been calling me a liar for teling them trump was flip flopping on amnesty.  And here we are. 

So yes, I'm not saying anything new.  The difference is, Trump finally admitted it, instead of winking around it.  He wants minority votes and figures his base will deal with it.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Yamcha on August 24, 2016, 09:03:04 AM

Don't get you panties in a wad just quite yet.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Tapeworm on August 24, 2016, 11:54:55 AM
and for months, people have been calling me a liar for teling them trump was flip flopping on amnesty.  And here we are. 

So yes, I'm not saying anything new.  The difference is, Trump finally admitted it, instead of winking around it.  He wants minority votes and figures his base will deal with it.

They will.  They'll grumble but where else are they gonna go?
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 11:58:12 AM
They will.  They'll grumble but where else are they gonna go?

some might not vote.   Some might be pissed.  Some put up with his bullshit, immaturity, lack of experience, because they were just plain tired of having their town overrun with illegal aliens.

Now, the illegals stay, as long as they don't stab or sodomize anyone. 

And even worse, repubs have to realize if Trump will outright lie to their face for a year straight about deportation force... what else is he bullshitting about?  They excused his flip flops on taxes and other issues... but if trump was this good at promising deportation this year - and can casually jut dismiss the entire platform in a weekend...

Well, there isn't a lot of upside to trump right now.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Tapeworm on August 24, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
some might not vote.   Some might be pissed.  Some put up with his bullshit, immaturity, lack of experience, because they were just plain tired of having their town overrun with illegal aliens.

Now, the illegals stay, as long as they don't stab or sodomize anyone.  

And even worse, repubs have to realize if Trump will outright lie to their face for a year straight about deportation force... what else is he bullshitting about?  They excused his flip flops on taxes and other issues... but if trump was this good at promising deportation this year - and can casually jut dismiss the entire platform in a weekend...

Well, there isn't a lot of upside to trump right now.

He's not Hillary Clinton, so.  :-\

How am I defending that asshat?!  This sucks sucks sucks.

Come on, Armageddon.

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: obsidian on August 24, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
I'm not sure the point of this post.  We are well aware of these things.

But today, Trump single-handedly flipflopped on the MAIN thing his supporters wanted - him deporting the illegals like he promised.

This is a huge political story.  How will his base react?  Trump just adopted the Obama amnesty plan.  Say that out loud, coach.  Trump just embraced Obama on Amnesty.  He abandoned his base.  He abandoned you, Coach.  The illegals will flow into Trump's America now. 

Do you have the word for word transcript of what Trump said recently regarding immigration? If so please post a link or video of his exact words. Not some biased left source that puts words in his mouth.

People that are in the USA illegally are criminals by definition. That means they are all "bad ones". Obama is not enforcing the laws of the country. If he was he would be deporting them immediately for breaking a fundamental law of the USA.

"I would say yes. And the reason is they're not law abiding in the first place. By crossing the border illegally, they're by definition criminals. And he has said he wants to remove the criminals in this country," King explained.

"To soften the tone a little bit, I think that's fine. I think it's — to the degree some of his critics have overstated the positions that he's taken. I would expect that softening this tone is something that may be part of this new campaign that — and Kellyanne Conway, his new campaign manager is terrific, brilliant," King said. "And it's an excellent choice to have her there as campaign manager. And some of this might be some of the tonal difference she's recommending to Donald Trump. I wouldn't disagree with Kellyanne at any time. I’ve found her to be a great asset to my campaign, too."

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Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 01:01:34 PM
Do you have the word for word transcript of what Trump said recently regarding immigration? If so please post a link or video of his exact words. Not some biased left source that puts words in his mouth.

People that are in the USA illegally are criminals by definition. That means they are all "bad ones". Obama is not enforcing the laws of the country. If he was he would be deporting them immediately for breaking a fundamental law of the USA.

"I would say yes. And the reason is they're not law abiding in the first place. By crossing the border illegally, they're by definition criminals. And he has said he wants to remove the criminals in this country," King explained.

"To soften the tone a little bit, I think that's fine. I think it's — to the degree some of his critics have overstated the positions that he's taken. I would expect that softening this tone is something that may be part of this new campaign that — and Kellyanne Conway, his new campaign manager is terrific, brilliant," King said. "And it's an excellent choice to have her there as campaign manager. And some of this might be some of the tonal difference she's recommending to Donald Trump. I wouldn't disagree with Kellyanne at any time. I’ve found her to be a great asset to my campaign, too."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/steve-king-trump-immigration-stance-227361#ixzz4IHWXYDV0
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It's a misdemeanor to be here illegally.  Trump will not deport them.

He will only deport felony illegals.  Those who live here illegally AND decide to rape/murder, they have to go.

If their only crime is shitting on the us border & constitution... he'll let them stay.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Nirvana on August 24, 2016, 02:17:50 PM
Trump could get a sex change, get pregnant, abort the baby, convert to Islam, ban firearms, and go vegan without losing a vote.  He knows his supporters are stupid white trash.  That's why he says shit like he could walk through New York and shoot somebody without losing a vote, he's basically just saying you people are morons.  That's why he shamelessly lies and flip-flops all the time.  Can you imagine if Obama acted the way trump has during his campaign?  These same people who demanded Obama's birth certificate are the same ones who either voted for Marcuz Cruzio or for the current Buffoon.   
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: obsidian on August 24, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
It's a misdemeanor to be here illegally.  Trump will not deport them.

He will only deport felony illegals.  Those who live here illegally AND decide to rape/murder, they have to go.

If their only crime is shitting on the us border & constitution... he'll let them stay
.
Please post a video clip or twitter post or whatever where Trump specifically says this.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
Please post a video clip or twitter post or whatever where Trump specifically says this.

did you see him on oreilly?   The 11 million can stay unless they committed a felony.  If you're serious, I'll pull it up.   He's kicking out the felons, and the ones whose only crime is misdemeanor 'being an illegal', they get to stay. 

I thought everyone knew by now.

Trump struck a starkly different tone during an interview with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News that aired on Monday night. Trump said he would separate the country's undocumented immigrants into two groups: The "bad ones" who would be kicked out of the country as soon as he takes office and "everybody else" who would go through the same process that the Obama Administration is currently using.

"The first thing we're going to do if and when I win is we're going to get rid of all of the bad ones," Trump said. "We've got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country. We're going to get them out, and the police know who they are. They're known by law enforcement who they are. We don't do anything. They go around killing people and hurting people and they're going to be out of this country so fast your head will spin. We have existing laws that allow you to do that."
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 24, 2016, 07:35:10 PM
TONIGHT on Bill OReilly.   Trump no longer wants detention centers.  He will not deport 11 million after all.
He wants to enforce Obama's laws.  He will only deport violent criminals and terrorists.
Trump says Obama is the worst president ever. Then adopts his policies. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/23/trumps-new-immigration-plan-do-what-obama-is-doing-but-with-a-lot-more-energy/

Trump’s new immigration plan: Do what Obama is doing but ‘with a lot more energy’

After spending a few days reflecting on his immigration stances and consulting with Hispanic supporters, Donald Trump on Monday detailed how he would deal with the millions of immigrants illegally living in the United States: Enforce laws that are already on the books and continue to do what President Obama is doing, although "perhaps with a lot more energy."

This strategy marks a sudden change for the Republican nominee, who has presented himself as a politically incorrect outsider who is not afraid to take extreme measures to combat illegal immigration, such as deporting 11 million people or constructing a massive wall along the southern border. For more than a year, Trump insisted that all illegal immigrants "have got to go" and that he would create a "deportation force" to carry out the task.

Trump struck a starkly different tone during an interview with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News that aired on Monday night. Trump said he would separate the country's undocumented immigrants into two groups: The "bad ones" who would be kicked out of the country as soon as he takes office and "everybody else" who would go through the same process that the Obama Administration is currently using.

"The first thing we're going to do if and when I win is we're going to get rid of all of the bad ones," Trump said. "We've got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country. We're going to get them out, and the police know who they are. They're known by law enforcement who they are. We don't do anything. They go around killing people and hurting people and they're going to be out of this country so fast your head will spin. We have existing laws that allow you to do that."

Like the true spin artist you are, the title of the thread reads "Enforce Obama Laws Better". What Obama laws? Pretty sure Trumps talking about clamping down and enforcing the existing laws that the left seem to think they're above. What did I miss here??
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 24, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71/videos/10154432792436171/
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
Pretty sure Trumps talking about clamping down and enforcing the existing laws

Correct.   He just wants to keep the status quo.  NO MASS DEPORTATIONS OF THE 11 MILLION - LIKE HE PROMISED!

https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71/videos/10154432792436171/

hahaha INFOWARS!   You CTers!!!!!!  hahahaha love it.  You know how many 911 articles this paul j wilson has put out?  bwahahahaha!
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 24, 2016, 08:19:16 PM
Correct.   He just wants to keep the status quo.  NO MASS DEPORTATIONS OF THE 11 MILLION - LIKE HE PROMISED!

hahaha INFOWARS!   You CTers!!!!!!  hahahaha love it.  You know how many 911 articles this paul j wilson has put out?  bwahahahaha!

240, that's a nervous laugh. All this week you've been getting your ass handed to you royally. If this is the best you've got maybe you should concentrate on something else like maybe training.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:30:45 PM
240, that's a nervous laugh. All this week you've been getting your ass handed to you royally. If this is the best you've got maybe you should concentrate on something else like maybe training.

Trump flip flopped.  He punked his base.  He's letting 11 million illegals stay, many of them in your state. 

They'll be driving without insurance, clogging up hospitals, committing crimes, in YOUR state Coach.   Doesn't that bother you? 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 24, 2016, 08:42:39 PM
Trump flip flopped.  He punked his base.  He's letting 11 million illegals stay, many of them in your state. 

They'll be driving without insurance, clogging up hospitals, committing crimes, in YOUR state Coach.   Doesn't that bother you? 

I have six guns. Let'm stay.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:47:47 PM
I have six guns. Let'm stay.

youve admitted you dont carry your guns, and you live in an anti-gun state with a dem prick governor. 

and your guns can't help when they hit and run you, raise prices, ruin healthcare.

Let'm stay.

This is the most unamerican thing I've ever seen you type.  Read that aloud, over and over.  What the heck.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 08:49:56 PM
Let'm stay.

Let the illegals stay?   

Geez, WTF are your principles?   You're a conservative, huh?   

But overnight, you can magically just "let em stay"?    What gives, coach.  Looks like your principles are about an inch deep, huh? 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2016, 11:32:21 PM
I wonder what Coach is going to say when Donald "pivots" on gun control and abortion.
also let's not forget he has already "pivoted" on Muslims. 

Honestly Donald now has a typical Democrat party platform.. great job on being a double agent.

You're right.  First, it was zero muslims allowed in.  "I, donald J trump..."
And then he walked it back.

Then, it was "I will deport 11 million illegals".
And he walked it back.

Muslims + deporting the illegals were the top 2 reasons repubs loved Trump.   And you're correct - what happens when he "softens" his position on guns, abortion, cap n trade, or anything else?

I get it tho, Coach wants to talk about hilary.  Can't blame him -trump is an absolute train wreck who just punked his base on Muslims AND deportation. 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 12:12:52 AM




I feel awful for her trying to defend Trump.   When shown over and over his flipflops and the illegality of his desires... lol...
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
the die hard supporters may accept anything

even if that means obeying obamas immigration laws and policies

the nominee has abandoned by base, basically the final nail in the coffin

christmas came early for the dems
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Trump has now flipped on banning muslims from entry AND deporting 11 million lawbreakers.   

Swinging left on lots of things.  I wonder what's next?  His energy adviser was in favor of cap/trade... I bet Trump jumps on that next too.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 12:38:06 PM
I was gonna say he may have to tone down the climate change denialism


Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
I was gonna say he may have to tone down the climate change denialism




He chose a man to be his energy advisor.

This man has said companies should have to pay a tax.

Tough for trump to deny he's for cap and trade when he hires a top energy advisor who is. 


Every day, more repubs are learning their beloved trump is a liberal. 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
the immigration betrayal is starting to set in. Coulter freaking out.

I think it was too shocking to believe initially. Hence the denials.

It's gonna take a few more days to understand the real effect.

sad

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 01:10:42 PM
no wall

no deportation force

no tooth fairy

no unicorns

no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

this fairytale ends badly, consider yourself warned
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 01:32:15 PM
In her book, Ms. Coulter writes that the only unforgivable sin Mr. Trump could commit would be to shift on immigration.

Watching as Mr. Trump appeared to do just that, Ms. Coulter erupted in a series of Twitter messages. “It’s not ‘amnesty.’ It’s ‘comprehensive immigration reform’!!!! Trump: ‘they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty,’” she wrote in one post.

(On his daily radio show, the conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh choked over his laughter at Ms. Coulter’s expense, noting the timing of what he called Mr. Trump’s “near flip-flop” on immigration. “Poor Ann!” he said. Ms. Coulter did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/us/politics/donald-trump-immigration.html
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Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 02:36:13 PM
Trump flip flopped.  He punked his base.  He's letting 11 million illegals stay, many of them in your state. 

They'll be driving without insurance, clogging up hospitals, committing crimes, in YOUR state Coach.   Doesn't that bother you? 



 :D
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 03:23:18 PM
GOP in total disarray now.  Rush shitting on ann coulter because, well, she's actually acting like a conservative.

Hannity was bending over backwards, justifying these Trump flipflops today.  Totally in the tank for him.

And the shithead libs on getbig told you this would happen.  They told you trump wasn't a conservative, and just wanted to steal the nomination so it'd be 2 liberals running against each other.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 25, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
apparently he hasn't changed his position

he's just changing "the words"

 :D
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 06:23:32 PM
Another change for Trump....

The illegals can stay, he won't deport them BUT they cannot become legalized either.  They get to live in a sorta-state of existence, where they can't pay taxes or contribute to social security.

Donald Trump on Thursday ruled out supporting a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants, but declined to say if he still supports deporting everyone in the U.S. illegally. "There's no path to legalization unless they leave the country," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper following an event in Manchester, N.H.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Nails on August 25, 2016, 08:56:16 PM
Next on trumps agenda is to raise taxes for americans making over $100,000 a year to build his wall because mexico will not pay for it after all
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 25, 2016, 10:17:58 PM
I just counted like 11 posts in a row from Two-Fatty and Turdo, maybe 25 posts total on that page.  True meltdown from having their asses handed to them.

Now the KKK card and the Tinfoil hat conspiracy claims, Trump must be eating deeply into the black vote for them to try this.  They are scared.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: TuHolmes on August 25, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
I just counted like 11 posts in a row from Two-Fatty and Turdo, maybe 25 posts total on that page.  True meltdown from having their asses handed to them.

Now the KKK card and the Tinfoil hat conspiracy claims, Trump must be eating deeply into the black vote for them to try this.  They are scared.

Do you actually believe this?
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 10:41:17 PM
Next on trumps agenda is to raise taxes for americans making over $100,000 a year

True - In fact, Repubs may be surprised to see FOX didn't cover this ;)



“The middle class has to be protected,” Trump told NBC. “The rich is probably going to end up paying more.”

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Sunday he is open to raising taxes on wealthy Americans, backing off his prior proposal to reduce taxes on all Americans.

“I am willing to pay more, and you know what, the wealthy are willing to pay more,” Trump told ABC’s This Week.

http://fortune.com/2016/05/08/trump-raise-taxes-wealthy/
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 25, 2016, 10:45:19 PM
Still waiting on TwoFatty to post that transcript where Trump says he won't deport anyone but felons.

I don't know whether Trump is eating into the black vote, but my guess is that this push for AA voters is the result of polling showing his message about illegals taking their jobs resonates.  The Klan card is massive desperation.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: TuHolmes on August 25, 2016, 10:47:06 PM
Still waiting on TwoFatty to post that transcript where Trump says he won't deport anyone but felons.

I don't know whether Trump is eating into the black vote, but my guess is that this push for AA voters is the result of polling showing his message about illegals taking their jobs resonates.  The Klan card is massive desperation.

I would wager that it most certainly isn't.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 25, 2016, 10:51:16 PM
I would wager that it most certainly isn't.

You don't know, nor do I.  We'll see how it shakes out on Election Day.  But you cannot deny that there is a deep division between the black and Mexican communities.  Liberal group identity politics people like you have to walk those fine lines, similar to how there is the fault line between the Muslims who hate the gays and want to stone and kill them.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb833znWEAAnjs9?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: TuHolmes on August 25, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
You don't know, nor do I. 

No, I don't "know", but with an educated belief, I would say it's not happening.

I know people don't like to believe polls, but really, you have to just admit that the Republicans and in this instance, Trump, have not been good at making strides into the black community.

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 25, 2016, 11:08:12 PM
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Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 11:50:19 PM
Still waiting on TwoFatty to post that transcript where Trump says he won't deport anyone but felons.

“We’re going to obey the existing laws. Now, the existing laws are very strong,” Trump said Monday on Fox News. “The first thing we’re going to do, if and when I win, is we’re going to get rid of all of the bad ones. We’ve got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country.”
“As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process, ” he said. “What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I’m going to do the same thing.”


At a town hall moderated by Fox News’s Sean Hannity that aired Wednesday night, Trump said there should be “no citizenship” for undocumented immigrants, but that they should pay back taxes. “There’s no amnesty, as such,” he reassured Hannity. “But we work with them.” As the night went on, Trump’s position on deportations softened. “Now, everybody agrees that we get the bad ones out,” he said. “But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, ‘Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who’s be here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump.’ I have it all the time! It’s a very, very hard thing.”
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2016, 11:56:07 PM
Still waiting on TwoFatty

there is a chance I am leaner than you.  there is a chance that 1) i have abs, and 2) trump is a democrat on amnesty.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 26, 2016, 02:42:23 AM
(http://trumpinfo.org/images/Flip-Flops%20v5.png)

http://trumpinfo.org/flip-flops.html
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 26, 2016, 02:44:55 AM
I would wager that it most certainly isn't.

he's not even trying

there's an effort afoot to go after more moderate white voters by looking less racist
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Super Natural on August 26, 2016, 03:48:05 AM
All these Illegals that aren't contributing to your country...Instead of deporting why not just cut off their welfare and the benefits that are keeping all the useless people and attracting more and more of these leaches in?  

If you keep sprinkling sugar you get more ants...
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 26, 2016, 05:37:28 AM
Still waiting on 2Fatty to post where Trump says he will deport only felons.  It won't happen because it was a lie, a Cruzbot spin interpretation of what he said, but not something he actually said.  Then he'll start another thread.

Sorry about the 2Fatty stuff, I can see it is getting to you. 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mazrim on August 26, 2016, 06:17:28 AM
Still waiting on 2Fatty to post where Trump says he will deport only felons.  It won't happen because it was a lie, a Cruzbot spin interpretation of what he said, but not something he actually said.  Then he'll start another thread.

Sorry about the 2Fatty stuff, I can see it is getting to you. 
Yep.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
Seriously?  Did you miss all his conflicting statements this week?  Ann coulter is outraged and she was such a supporter. 

Someone has to be the last one screaming "trump never flip flopped", I guess.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 08:15:17 AM
trump finally had hilary on the ropes with this email thing.  She was finally looking vulnerable.

SO

he bails her out by 1) stepping in amnesty shit, and 2) calling her a bigot.

Nobody is talking about her emails anymore ;)
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: SF1900 on August 26, 2016, 08:42:56 AM
All these Illegals that aren't contributing to your country...Instead of deporting why not just cut off their welfare and the benefits that are keeping all the useless people and attracting more and more of these leaches in?  

If you keep sprinkling sugar you get more ants...


Because then that may lead to family homelessness, which comes with a whole new set of problems, which will include more money being spent (maybe even more than welfare and benefits). Unless they decide that since they are not getting benefits, they will return to their country of origin. Maybe or master not.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Yamcha on August 26, 2016, 08:44:57 AM
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 26, 2016, 09:58:02 AM
Seriously?  Did you miss all his conflicting statements this week?  Ann coulter is outraged and she was such a supporter. 

Someone has to be the last one screaming "trump never flip flopped", I guess.

first.

sucking black cock

next

sucking mexicock

next

sucking obama cock, and vowing to obey his orders

sad to say it's been a slow week!
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Las Vegas on August 26, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
first.

sucking black cock

next

sucking mexicock

next

sucking obama cock, and vowing to obey his orders

sad to say it's been a slow week!

Sounds like your kind of candidate.  So why the hate?   ???

You should be thrilled.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: SaintAnger on August 26, 2016, 06:42:05 PM
Trump goes full amnesty.  Ann Coulter loses her shit.  Rush finds it all hilarious.

Audio clip after the link:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-literally-cant-stop-laughing-at-the-plight-of-ann-coulter/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-literally-cant-stop-laughing-at-the-plight-of-ann-coulter/)




Either he's throwing the election or he's selling out for the brown vote.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 26, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
Just popping by to see if TwoFatty has posted that quote where Trump says he will only deport felons.

Ann Coulter on Hannity last night is still fully in Trump corner.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 08:15:00 PM
Either he's throwing the election or he's selling out for the brown vote.

The amount of hispanic vote he'd hope to gain would be minimal.  The amount he will lose as a result of alienating his loyal base?

If Hilary has to CHOOSE a move by trump this week, abandoning his position on amnesty would be it.   Perfect timing too - it takes her email out of the news. 
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 08:41:18 PM
Trump, shifting back, now says no legal status for all 11 million illegal immigrants



Source: Washington Post

Donald Trump on Thursday appeared to shift back to some version of the hard-line immigration posture he adopted in the GOP primaries, telling CNN that he does not support a path to legal status for illegal immigrants unless they leave the country and return legally.

The comment added a new layer of confusion to the GOP presidential nominee's position on one of his signature issues. This week, Trump and his aides have softened their rhetoric on immigration, signaling an openness to legalizing many of the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants despite Trump's long-standing vow to deport them all.

In a CNN interview that aired Thursday evening, Anderson Cooper asked Trump: "So if they haven’t committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? I’m not talking about citizenship."

Trump responded: "First thing we’re going to do. No is not a path — there is no path to legalization unless people leave the country. When they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes, but there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back." In seeming to shift back toward his original position, Trump acknowledged that he would not be able to easily and efficiently deport all 11 million people at once. Trump said that "bad dudes" would be deported as soon as he took office, a group he described as containing "probably millions." He did not say what would happen to the remaining immigrants, but he did say "there is a very good chance" they would eventually be deported.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/25/trump-shifting-back-now-says-no-legal-status-for-all-11-million-illegal-immigrants/
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 27, 2016, 05:59:11 AM
Still waiting on that quote you promised where Trump says he'll only deport felons you lying sack of Hillary love.  He never said it.  You made it up.  You are a liar.

Hillary's position however is she'd only deport violent felons and terrorist.  And she wants to expand DACA and DAPA to extended family, which means 20 MILLION MORE.  This she said in the dem debate.  You don't watch or read primary source material, what someone actually says.  You get it filtered.


 


Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 27, 2016, 06:21:02 AM
Sounds like your kind of candidate.  So why the hate?   ???

You should be thrilled.

team freedom has always supported the present nominee

thrilled may be too strong a term

more like bemused
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 27, 2016, 08:43:28 PM
Still waiting for the transcript where Trump says he'll only deport felons.  TwoFatty proven liar.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 27, 2016, 08:51:48 PM
Still waiting for the transcript where Trump says he'll only deport felons.  TwoFatty proven liar.

okay - but soon, you'll have to prove you're less fat than me.  I'm at 32 inch waistline... okay, 33, but 32 if I'm dehydrated.

Trump echoes Obama in plans to deport 'criminal' immigrants
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-donald-trump-immigration-20160823-story.html

He'll only deport 'the bad ones'.   Although today he reverted and said it might be all of them again.   Flipflopping more.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 27, 2016, 11:45:32 PM

Trump Goes Back To Original Immigration Position With Second 180 Flip


Source: Huffington Post

DES MOINES, Iowa – Donald Trump’s experiment with “softening” his immigration policy came to a dramatic end Saturday in a fairgrounds livestock pavilion, with the Republican presidential nominee promising deportations within an hour of his inauguration.

“We are going to rid of the criminals, and it’s going to happen within one hour after I take office,” he said. “We will move justly, but we will move fast. Believe me.”

Trump has made the forcible deportation of the 11 million people in the country without documentation a cornerstone of his presidential campaign from its start last year. It made him a favorite among a segment of the Republican base, and helped him win the nomination over a dozen Republican senators and governors.

* * *
He also asserted – without any supporting evidence – that Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would, if she were to win, end “all routine immigration enforcement.” “In other words, totally open borders. Which will lead to a massive crime wave,” Trump said.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-immigration-flip-iowa_us_57c21d25e4b085c1ff29b41f?section=&
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 27, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
Trump vows deportations instantly if elected

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump linked illegal immigration and employment Saturday, pledging to start deporting offenders as soon as he is sworn in should he become the White House’s next occupant.

Trump all the while courted the black vote, claiming that the shooting of basketball star Dwyane Wade’s cousin will make African Americans support him, but the move instead triggered a firestorm of criticism.

“On Day One, I am going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country? including removing the hundreds of thousands of criminal illegal immigrants that have been released into US communities under the Obama-Clinton administration,” Trump told supporters in Des Moines, Iowa.

Trump’s Democratic rival Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state during President Barack Obama’s first term in office. The next president will be sworn in on January 20.

“I am going to build a great border wall, institute nationwide e-verify, stop illegal immigrants from accessing welfare and entitlements and develop an exit-entry tracking system to ensure those who overstay their visas are quickly removed,” Trump warned.

The billionaire real estate magnate and former reality TV host -- in a white baseball cap -- said that “If we don’t enforce visa expiration dates, then we have an open border. It’s as simple as that.”

“A vote for Trump is a vote to have a nation of laws, a vote for Clinton is a vote for open borders,” he stressed.

Details of Trump’s immigration policies remain scant. He rallied much of his primary support with a controversial hardline tone against illegal immigrants and his plan to build a wall on the Mexican border.

Some of his advisors are now reportedly urging him to tone down his signature policy priority.

foxnews.com
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: mr.turbo on August 28, 2016, 01:17:01 AM
it's become impossible to know what the central position is for this campaign

what is the nominees position on immigration?

 ???

Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Never1AShow on August 28, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
Dear TwoFatty, you are clearly fat because you actually care if someone calls you fat.  People who aren't fat just laugh.

Also, you can't flip flop from a made up position.  You lied about him saying he'd only deport felons.  You can produce no such quote.  Now you claim he is flip flopping from the position you made up with a lie.  Sad!

Typical Cruzbot nevertrumper Hillary supporting behavior.
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
SELLOUT!

Trump considers last-minute meeting in Mexico with the country’s president

Donald Trump is considering jetting to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peńa Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy, according to people in the United States and Mexico familiar with the discussions.

The possibility, which was hatched in recent days by Trump and his campaign advisers, comes after Trump has wavered for weeks over whether he would continue to hold his hard-line positions on the central and incendiary issue of his campaign, in particular his call to deport an estimated 11 million immigrants who are living in the United States illegally.

The people informed of Trump’s plans requested anonymity due to the sensitivity surrounding its planning. They said late Tuesday that talks between the Trump campaign and Mexican officials were ongoing, with Trump interested in going but logistics and security concerns still being sorted out.

Peńa Nieto has extended an invitation for the businessman to come visit with him in Mexico to talk about various political and economic issues, the people said. Trump, sensing an opportunity, decided over the weekend to accept the invitation and push for a visit this week.

-snip-

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-considers-last-minute-meeting-in-mexico-with-the-countrys-president/2016/08/30/5a694790-6f12-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-COMBO-politics%252Bnation
Title: Re: Trump flips on amnesty- "The good ones can stay" - Enforce obama laws better
Post by: Super Natural on September 01, 2016, 07:44:32 AM
Because then that may lead to family homelessness, which comes with a whole new set of problems, which will include more money being spent (maybe even more than welfare and benefits). Unless they decide that since they are not getting benefits, they will return to their country of origin. Maybe or master not.

*Bingo!* 8)