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Tell me why these two disgusting things dont deserve the most brutal prolonged torture and death?
Sure, it wont undo the crime, nothing will. But its appropriate.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/michelle-martens-fabian-gonzales-and-jessica-kelley-arrested-for-drugging-raping-strangling-and-dismembering-victoria-martens/news-story/2f07022eae2644fcb2c05b74b436115f
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"This article originally appeared in The Sun"
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That psycho-girl has very strong retarded look.
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Troll leave now..
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(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/fa98df5b77a095aa90666016b5c903b2)
add a goatee and its shizzo
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Looks like they are getting taken care of in prison already , 60 years of beaten every night to a bloody pulp is good justice a well
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Troll leave now..
Serious question for you doc: let's assume this story was true and factual, what method of punishment would you recommend? With individuals of this mental state a hefty fine (a previous suggestion of yours) is worthless?
It's unlikely these people could be rehabilitated successfully, if this was a drug induced state and they could be reintroduced to society, should they be/do they deserve another chance, would they be accepted by their communities?
Is life in prison a legitimate choice? Why keep these people alive any longer, putting others at risk (correction officers and other non criminals that they'd be in contact with) and I won't even touch on the monetary drain they'd be.
In this case are you against a death sentence? I'm not (I'm not saying I'm right rather just sharing my opinion) or drop them off in a war zone area and let them fend for their selves.
I'm looking forward to your reply.
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No words.
One bullet into the forehead of each of the three.
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I support capital punishment in specific cases, but I oppose it in general because of the imperfect justice system. Innocent people have been executed and been on death row but exonerated. That's why I oppose the death penalty because it's permanent. I'd rather forgo 1,000 deaths of guilty people who instead spend life in prison than execute even 1 innocent person.
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I support capital punishment in specific cases, but I oppose it in general because of the imperfect justice system. Innocent people have been executed and been on death row but exonerated. That's why I oppose the death penalty because it's permanent. I'd rather forgo 1,000 deaths of guilty people who instead spend life in prison than execute even 1 innocent person.
Given your feelings on the death penalty, what are your feelings on abortion?
You think it's better for someone to spend their life caged, tortured mentally and imprisoned than to have it expire "early" (as we don't know what would have happened if they were free)?
Again I understand your point and it is 100% valid, the justice system is imperfect and innocent people are framed but what are the percentages of people on death row who have been exonerated?
This is an interesting topic to me.
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I strongly believe in killing someone for self defense. So if a guy breaks into my house and kills my wife (please) and I came home. I'd kill him gladly. However, that guy gets away and is caught by cops, I would not support the death penalty for him. That isn't defense, it's revenge and as humans we should be above that.
Abortion = a personal rights issue. Physically, I don't think a fetus is a person yet.
I do see the hypocrisy in my reasoning and am not above re-thinking my position on abortion.
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If they can 100% without doubt prove that that person has committed the murder then they should be killed in the same way the murdered the deceased, peadophiles should also get the death sentence as there is no need for scum like that to exist, failing that they should have gentials mutilated without any anaesthetic and never repaired.
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Imagine being 10 years old and supposed to be waking up to one of the happiest days of the year for a child to instead be a day of absolute terror/pain. Very disturbing.
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Real human beings are totally in favor of capital punishment. It isn't used nearly enough. We need death squads, hunting down the violent criminal population, and killing them off, for the sake of humanity!
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Im pro capital punishment but sometimes a life in prison is worst then death. Of course it depends on the prison.
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If you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to die. Sure there may be some exceptions (battered wife, abused children) but that is for the courts to decide. Serving a life sentence for first degree murder, is nothing but a tax burden on honest people. Just kill them, and get it over with.
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Do not feed the troll...!
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Im pro capital punishment but sometimes a life in prison is worst then death. Of course it depends on the prison.
Life in prison is a undo burden on the taxpayers. Just kill off the worthless bastards, and be done with it.
The death penalty is a perfect solution to violent criminals. A real deterrent, as not one worthless criminal, that was executed, ever committed another crime.
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No man shall be in possession of other mans life.
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Do not feed the troll...!
Why is this guy a troll? Honest question. I am unfamiliar with the poster "Kannibal".
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Why is this guy a troll? Honest question. I am unfamiliar with the poster "Kannibal".
You just answered your own question... ;D
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No man shall be in possession of other mans life.
OK, some stupid shit "feelings." Violent criminals have given up their right to live. Kill Them!
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OK, some stupid shit "feelings." Violent criminals have given up their right to live. Kill Them!
Difficult topic. Kill 'm all is too easy.
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Difficult topic. Kill 'm all is too easy.
Killing them is not a solution (killing is no better than the criminal himself)
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Difficult topic. Kill 'm all is too easy.
Very Easy! And effective, for getting rid of the violent criminal population.
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Killing them is not a solution (killing is no better than the criminal himself)
It is a wonderful, and effective solution, to getting rid of the violent criminal population. Kill all of them. We need death squads, cleaning up our neighborhoods.
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It is a wonderful, and effective solution, to getting rid of the violent criminal population. Kill all of them. We need death squads, cleaning up our neighborhoods.
The killer of the criminal or the act of killing the criminal ( no matter how ) is also violent and criminal.
You merely redouble the criminals.
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Serious question for you doc: let's assume this story was true and factual, what method of punishment would you recommend? With individuals of this mental state a hefty fine (a previous suggestion of yours) is worthless?
It's unlikely these people could be rehabilitated successfully, if this was a drug induced state and they could be reintroduced to society, should they be/do they deserve another chance, would they be accepted by their communities?
Is life in prison a legitimate choice? Why keep these people alive any longer, putting others at risk (correction officers and other non criminals that they'd be in contact with) and I won't even touch on the monetary drain they'd be.
In this case are you against a death sentence? I'm not (I'm not saying I'm right rather just sharing my opinion) or drop them off in a war zone area and let them fend for their selves.
I'm looking forward to your reply.
Because it is part of Western civilization that,governments don't kill citizens. I agree with your arguments that it costs money and may put correction officers and other inmates at risk, but maybe these people can change after all. They are not very old. Maybe in 10 or 20 or 30 years they are not thevsame persons no more.
You prefer collective executions like in these Arab countries ?
It takes risks and money and time but it is my opinion that this is part of our Western society. You may disagree completely. That too is part of our society.
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The killer of the criminal or the act of killing the criminal ( no matter how ) is also violent and criminal.
You merely redouble the criminals.
No! Killing criminals is a plus for society, and should be encouraged, and increased as fast as possible. Stop being a moralistic twit, and solve the problem by killing the "people," violent criminals, who are the problem.
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I strongly believe in killing someone for self defense. So if a guy breaks into my house and kills my wife (please) and I came home. I'd kill him gladly. However, that guy gets away and is caught by cops, I would not support the death penalty for him. That isn't defense, it's revenge and as humans we should be above that.
Abortion = a personal rights issue. Physically, I don't think a fetus is a person yet.
I do see the hypocrisy in my reasoning and am not above re-thinking my position on abortion.
I laughed out loud.
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Because it is part of Western civilization that,governments don't kill citizens. I agree with your arguments that it costs money and may put correction officers and other inmates at risk, but maybe these people can change after all. They are not very old. Maybe in 10 or 20 or 30 years they are not thevsame persons no more.
You prefer collective executions like in these Arab countries ?
It takes risks and money and time but it is my opinion that this is part of our Western society. You may disagree completely. That too is part of our society.
USA is also regarded as western society and they kill the most after Saudi-Arabia and China.
In fact, death penalty is getting quite scarce.
Only USA and Belarus of 'white' countries seem to have it still valid. And out of western countries, only USA has it.
(http://i.imgur.com/VHQt9qU.png)
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No! Killing criminals is a plus for society, and should be encouraged, and increased as fast as possible. Stop being a moralistic twit, and solve the problem by killing the "people," violent criminals, who are the problem.
You are obviously short-sighted.
Who will kill the last killer (survivor) then?
Mankind will be history pretty fast using this method.
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Because it is part of Western civilization that,governments don't kill citizens. I agree with your arguments that it costs money and may put correction officers and other inmates at risk, but maybe these people can change after all. They are not very old. Maybe in 10 or 20 or 30 years they are not thevsame persons no more.
You prefer collective executions like in these Arab countries ?
It takes risks and money and time but it is my opinion that this is part of our Western society. You may disagree completely. That too is part of our society.
Good for you! Then we'll send all our violent criminals to the Netherlands, so you can take care of them, because you care about them. You fucking asshole!
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Life in prison is a undo burden on the taxpayers. Just kill off the worthless bastards, and be done with it.
The death penalty is a perfect solution to violent criminals. A real deterrent, as not one worthless criminal, that was executed, ever committed another crime.
As a tax payer I am very willing to pay for a child molester to get raped day after day.
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You are obviously short-sighted.
Who will kill the last killer (survivor) then?
Mankind will be history pretty fast using this method.
So, you assume all humans are violent killers? I guess I'll have to kill you last.
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So, you assume all humans are violent killers? I guess I'll have to kill you last.
LOL.
What makes you so sure you will "survive" me?
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Eric C, you seem like a very nice person, too bad we aren't neighbours.
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I'm the Biggest Fan of Capital Punishment....it's too fucking Bad that some States are soft on CP, state such as mine.......I'm all for an eye for a fucking eye.....
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LOL.
What makes you so sure you will "survive" me?
Because I know who needs to be killed off for the good of humanity, and you don't! Therefore, I shall win!
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Because I know who needs to be killed off for the good of humanity, and you don't! Therefore, I shall win!
Win? In what sense?
Killing someone can hardly be called a win...
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Win? In what sense?
Killing someone can hardly be called a win...
Well if he has killed everybody else in the world, you may say he has won. Don't not what, but still...
Erik isn't that clever, or (more likely) is kinda intoxicated right now. Happens to teens all the time.
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Well if he has killed everybody else in the world, you may say he has won. Don't not what, but still...
Erik isn't that clever, or (more likely) is kinda intoxicated right now. Happens to teens all the time.
Yes! If I kill you two, then I win!
Ah, if I were a teen, and know what I know now!
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Because it is part of Western civilization that,governments don't kill citizens. I agree with your arguments that it costs money and may put correction officers and other inmates at risk, but maybe these people can change after all. They are not very old. Maybe in 10 or 20 or 30 years they are not thevsame persons no more.
Having a differing opinion doesn't make me a troll.
"Maybe they can change" - that's a pretty big maybe. They drugged, raped and dismembered one of their own children. One things for sure, that child will never get a chance to change. They died the most horrific death at the hands of the person they should have been safest.
A couple of years back, a women near my town, was brutally murdered by a serial rapist on parole. Is the small chance they "may change", given a very generous second chance, worth rolling the dice on? Would you bet your sisters, mothers, or daughters life on that possibility?
The way I see it, society gives us certain rights when we are born. The moment you violate someone elses rights, you have waived your own. Killing a murder or rapist to me doesnt make you the same as them, by the reasoning that they chose to kill or destroy an innocent persons life. They themselves are not an innocent person, they are not fit for society.
Im aware some have the belief all human life is sacred. Im not of that opinion. We are animals, we kill other animals to feed ourselves everyday without question (unless vegetarian), killing those minority that threaten the safety and "rights" of the greater population, rather than waste millions keeping them alive and risking them reoffending, IMO is the safest of all solutions.
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Yes! If I kill you two, then I win!
Ah, if I were a teen, and know what I know now!
Wait a second.
I think you still need to know more...
Much much more...
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Having a differing opinion doesn't make me a troll.
"Maybe they can change" - that's a pretty big maybe. They drugged, raped and dismembered one of their own children. One things for sure, that child will never get a chance to change. They died the most horrific death at the hands of the person they should have been safest.
A couple of years back, a women near my town, was brutally murdered by a serial rapist on parole. Is the small chance they "may change", given a very generous second chance, worth rolling the dice on? Would you bet your sisters, mothers, or daughters life on that possibility?
The way I see it, society gives us certain rights when we are born. The moment you violate someone elses rights, you have waived your own. Killing a murder or rapist to me doesnt make you the same as them, by the reasoning that they chose to kill or destroy an innocent persons life. They themselves are not an innocent person, they are not fit for society.
Im aware some have the belief all human life is sacred. Im not of that opinion. We are animals, we kill other animals to feed ourselves everyday without question (unless vegetarian), killing those minority that threaten the safety and "rights" of the greater population, rather than waste millions keeping them alive and risking them reoffending, IMO is the safest of all solutions.
Excellent point of view! Cull the race of the garbage "people," and you make a better race.
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Having a differing opinion doesn't make me a troll.
"Maybe they can change" - that's a pretty big maybe. They drugged, raped and dismembered one of their own children. One things for sure, that child will never get a chance to change. They died the most horrific death at the hands of the person they should have been safest.
A couple of years back, a women near my town, was brutally murdered by a serial rapist on parole. Is the small chance they "may change", given a very generous second chance, worth rolling the dice on? Would you bet your sisters, mothers, or daughters life on that possibility?
The way I see it, society gives us certain rights when we are born. The moment you violate someone elses rights, you have waived your own. Killing a murder or rapist to me doesnt make you the same as them, by the reasoning that they chose to kill or destroy an innocent persons life. They themselves are not an innocent person, they are not fit for society.
Im aware some have the belief all human life is sacred. Im not of that opinion. We are animals, we kill other animals to feed ourselves everyday without question (unless vegetarian), killing those minority that threaten the safety and "rights" of the greater population, rather than waste millions keeping them alive and risking them reoffending, IMO is the safest of all solutions.
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Very well said.
It's a Damn shame those supposedly in charge of running countries
Don't think Like this.
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Having a differing opinion doesn't make me a troll.
"Maybe they can change" - that's a pretty big maybe. They drugged, raped and dismembered one of their own children. One things for sure, that child will never get a chance to change. They died the most horrific death at the hands of the person they should have been safest.
A couple of years back, a women near my town, was brutally murdered by a serial rapist on parole. Is the small chance they "may change", given a very generous second chance, worth rolling the dice on? Would you bet your sisters, mothers, or daughters life on that possibility?
The way I see it, society gives us certain rights when we are born. The moment you violate someone elses rights, you have waived your own. Killing a murder or rapist to me doesnt make you the same as them, by the reasoning that they chose to kill or destroy an innocent persons life. They themselves are not an innocent person, they are not fit for society.
Im aware some have the belief all human life is sacred. Im not of that opinion. We are animals, we kill other animals to feed ourselves everyday without question (unless vegetarian), killing those minority that threaten the safety and "rights" of the greater population, rather than waste millions keeping them alive and risking them reoffending, IMO is the safest of all solutions.
I believe that human life is sacred but to me that is actually a strike against these people. All the more reason to take them out quickly. They do not understand this.
We are unique and they could care less about that and treat others lives as if it is nothing at all. This is worse then an animal as in comparison the animal does not know any better.
I full-heartedly agree with most of what you posted and conclusion is still the same even with my differing viewpoint on that issue. I am all for capital punishment.
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USA is also regarded as western society and they kill the most after Saudi-Arabia and China.
In fact, death penalty is getting quite scarce.
Only USA and Belarus of 'white' countries seem to have it still valid. And out of western countries, only USA has it.
(http://i.imgur.com/VHQt9qU.png)
Yes, quite scarce.
Since 1976 there have been over 713,000 murders and 1,437 executions in the US. The rate of execution is roughly 0.20% per murder - 1 for every 500 homicides. A reason executions are covered by the media is because they are so rare.
Just do a simple moral calculus: How many innocent people have been executed since the DP was brought back in 1976 vs. how many people murderers - i.e. already convicted of homicide - have killed after conviction?
Inmates have nothing but time. DAs, governors, and victims' family members come and go, but inmates just watch the calendar. There was an awful case of a murderer sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Decades later the governor commuted his sentence to time served and had him released. He killed again after release.
Here's a short list: http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html
Those who oppose the death penalty outright have much more innocent blood on their hands that those who support it.
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Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Good for you! Then we'll send all our violent criminals to the Netherlands, so you can take care of them, because you care about them. You fucking asshole!
I'm starting to find you amusing for your stamina...
Let's make a trade: all your criminals to us, all Dutch homosexuals to you !
How about that ?
Plus I give you a nice pair of wooden shoes for free :D
Ease up, Eric C.
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Killing them is not a solution (killing is no better than the criminal himself)
Killing them is a solution, one you don't support it seems.
No one is suggesting torture of the criminal just a simple removal of their life. To pretend that mankind has "evolved" to an advanced system of punishment is idiotic. We have racism, hatred, wars and slavery.
All of mankind is flawed. Killing a violent criminal doesn't erase what they've done or ease the pain of the victims but it does eliminate their ability to act out again.
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Because it is part of Western civilization that,governments don't kill citizens. I agree with your arguments that it costs money and may put correction officers and other inmates at risk, but maybe these people can change after all. They are not very old. Maybe in 10 or 20 or 30 years they are not thevsame persons no more.
You prefer collective executions like in these Arab countries ?
It takes risks and money and time but it is my opinion that this is part of our Western society. You may disagree completely. That too is part of our society.
The execution of Arab countries are an extreme comparison, wouldn't you agree?
Our subject is VIOLENT criminals the Dahmer and Bundy of society, not political protesters.
Just as we have laws that prevent convicted sex offenders from working with children (because evidence would suggest that these predators are dangerous risks and they don't change) we should also have a solution for violent crimes, and I'm aware that we do with imprisonment but I contend it is unjust.
I'm not a proponent of "death squads" and other suggestions like that. My point is we justify the deaths that we have but in instance where death should be the penalty we call it unjust. I'm also not a fan of stronger government so I realize this is a dicey subject.
People are rarely the same after 20 or 30 years but that doesn't equal maturity and change for the better.
Thanks for sharing on a difficult topic though.