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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on September 06, 2016, 02:42:54 PM
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The DEA is calling for a 2 year classification of the active alkaloids in kratom, and thereby kratom itself. So many people depend on it for pain relief and relief from pharmaceutical dependence, that when the end of the month comes, there is going to be an explosion of people looking for opioids of other sorts.
This is going to be really interesting and sad unfortunately.
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Yup, this is fucked. Lots of people use kratom to mitigate their habit without going on methadone or suboxone, or whatever.
Public perception is that most of these individuals are dead to the world anyway, so who gives a shit? Also, buying kratom online doesn't line big pharma's pockets, but paying hundreds out of pocket a month for suboxone does. Makes a whole lotta sense..
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How fucking stupid kratom helps people get clean or keeps them off harder shit. I used it for a few months to get off opiates.
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Yup, this is fucked. Lots of people use kratom to mitigate their habit without going on methadone or suboxone, or whatever.
Public perception is that most of these individuals are dead to the world anyway, so who gives a shit? Also, buying kratom online doesn't line big pharma's pockets, but paying hundreds out of pocket a month for suboxone does. Makes a whole lotta sense..
Yep. I bet most of those people that will be affected have no clue that this will happen either. Hard times ahead for them. I feel for them.
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Yep. I bet most of those people that will be affected have no clue that this will happen either. Hard times ahead for them. I feel for them.
Maybe... the word has been spreading like wildfire on forums. No idea what people are going to do now... you can't buy neurontin or lyrica online and those are the only two other non-narcotic, non-opiate "panaceas" that I've come across.
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How fucking stupid kratom helps people get clean or keeps them off harder shit. I used it for a few months to get off opiates.
I've also used it in the past when I came off opioids. It helped on so many levels. Taking it away imo is an act of aggression or domestic terrorism. They know what it's used for and why. Taking it only makes more addicts to hard drugs and pharmaceuticals. Fucking assholes.
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I've also used it in the past when I came off opioids. It helped on so many levels. Taking it away imo is an act of aggression or domestic terrorism. They know what it's used for and why. Taking it only makes more addicts to hard drugs and pharmaceuticals. Fucking assholes.
Man you nailed it down with this post no one could of said it better.
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How many drug addicts do we have on Getbig?
Wiggs, I'm sorry, but this says alot about you, what you believe in, and how you act, on Getbig.
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How many drug addicts do we have on Getbig?
Wiggs, I'm sorry, but this says alot about you, what you believe in, and how you act, on Getbig.
Haha. Shizzo you drunkard. Do you know how long ago it was and what I was on? I was on Lortabs, the weakest opioids and it was YEARS ago. As in pre 2012.
Sorry to burst your bubble. My behavior and my beliefs had nothing to do with lortabs....but Lololol
I wasn't on oxys or roxies shooting them or snorting them or even smoking them. A real addict would have laughed at my 3, 10mg Lortab per day dependence. It's a joke compared to a real addict but I was dependent nonetheless.
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How many drug addicts do we have on Getbig?
Wiggs, I'm sorry, but this says alot about you, what you believe in, and how you act, on Getbig.
Fuck off man aren't you a fat alcoholic.
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Haha. Shizzo you drunkard. Do you know how long ago it was and what I was on? I was on Lortabs, the weakest opioids and it was YEARS ago. As in pre 2012.
Sorry to burst your bubble. My behavior and my beliefs had nothing to do with lortabs....but Lololol
Why do you start off with insults? Wiggs, you have been very public about your beliefs, weed usage, and now opioids. Don't you realize that these drugs cause hallucinations? How long has it been since you have looked into a mirror? You might actually be white man.
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Fuck off man aren't you a fat alcoholic.
Aren't you an extra crispy white boy? Don't patronize me for using a LEGAL substance. I don't use illegal drugs. I am not a criminal in the eyes of the law.
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Why do you start off with insults? Wiggs, you have been very public about your beliefs, weed usage, and now opioids. Don't you realize that these drugs cause hallucinations? How long has it been since you have looked into a mirror? You might actually be white man.
Drunkard, Welcome to Getbig, where we start posts of with insults. I've even spoke about the Lortab issue in the past, it's nothing new. And Shizzo, I know you're kinda green but weed and lortabs don't make you hallucinate. Pills can and will make you make bad decisions but not hallucinate. You obviously know nothing about them and weed for that matter. You sound like a D.A.R.E. representative basically meaning you don't know what you're talking about. I still love you though.
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Aren't you an extra crispy white boy? Don't patronize me for using a LEGAL substance. I don't use illegal drugs. I am not a criminal in the eyes of the law.
You may have been violating Florida Sodomy laws depending when you sucked that penis. Was it before 2003 and was it in Florida. If yes, you're a criminal. :-*
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Drunkard, Welcome to Getbig, where we start posts of with insults. I've even spoke about the Lortab issue in the past, it's nothing new. And Shizzo, I know you're kinda green but weed and lortabs don't make you hallucinate. Pills can and will make you make bad decisions but not hallucinate. You obviously know nothing about them and weed for that matter. You sound like a D.A.R.E. representative basically meaning you don't know what you're talking about. I still love you though.
Wiggs, it's ok. We all now know the origins of your delusions. Drugs.
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Aren't you an extra crispy white boy? Don't patronize me for using a LEGAL substance. I don't use illegal drugs. I am not a criminal in the eyes of the law.
You are a fat chump who doesn't train and hangs out on bodybuilding forums.
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Let's stay on topic. Kratom Schedule I end of September.
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You are a fat chump who doesn't train and hangs out on bodybuilding forums.
I have to thank you though, Spiro. Your skin tone makes me want to get an Extra crispy 5 dollar fill up at KFC. Hold the opiates.
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I have to thank you though, Spiro. Your skin tone makes me want to get an Extra crispy 5 dollar fill up at KFC. Hold the opiates.
Lol prick
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Another thing that works and is readily available is tianeptine sodium powder. It's a European antidepressant that hits the opiate receptors somehow. Probably won't be unscheduled for long.
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Wonder why they decided to ban it isn't nearly impossible to od?
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This is as close as I get.
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This isn't about protecting people from themselves.
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Another thing that works and is readily available is tianeptine sodium powder. It's a European antidepressant that hits the opiate receptors somehow. Probably won't be unscheduled for long.
You know what works permanently that I did once and never had to go back to. Iboga/Ibogaine. I imported it from S. Africa via Netherlands. One time. Done. Life changing.
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You know what works permanently that I did once and never had to go back to. Iboga/Ibogaine. I imported it from S. Africa via Netherlands. One time. Done. Life changing.
Really that works? Wonder if its available at all in the states. How did you use it what was the experience like. I have herniated disks and all kinds problems from an accident I've been taking an opiate for awhile now. I want to drop it and just deal with the pain. Mine are prescribed.
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This is as close as I get.
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Dude looks awesome
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No idea what this stuff is, but if it helps addicts it should be legal. If this turns out to be because of lobbying from big pharmaceutical companies it will be a shame.
What's the stuff that Malcom X took in jail to clear himself of opioid addiction? And no, I'm not talking about NOI.
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I've also used it in the past when I came off opioids. It helped on so many levels. Taking it away imo is an act of aggression or domestic terrorism. They know what it's used for and why. Taking it only makes more addicts to hard drugs and pharmaceuticals. Fucking assholes.
Or.... people taking opiates (kratom is an opioid) should be under the care of a doctor. To say Kratom is safe is like saying smoking opium is safe
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Or.... people taking opiates (kratom is an opioid) should be under the care of a doctor. To say Kratom is safe is like saying smoking opium is safe
Well you're wrong. Opium has caused wars and ruined people's lives. Kratom has not.
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Well you're wrong. Opium has caused wars and ruined people's lives. Kratom has not.
Wiggs, why are you so invested in this? Could you possibly give us some backstory? It's for the kids......
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Shitty. I've never used the stuff but I have friends that rant and rave about it. Seems like a godsend for certain individuals as well.
I heard phenibut is on the watchlist. Europe and Australia are pulling it from shelves, the last time I heard. I'm guessing it's because opiates and benzos are federally regulated and none of the pharma companies are making money off these.
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Well you're wrong. Opium has caused wars and ruined people's lives. Kratom has not.
Kratom ruins lives. Junky is a junky
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Before we go any further, can someone kindly shed some light on what this "Kratom" actually is? The public deserves full disclosure.
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This is as close as it gets
KRATOS (http://67.media.tumblr.com/5bdbd56b2fa0fee9a820ce8fa1a1be3f/tumblr_oca17nLFm91tb3tofo1_540.jpg)
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Kratom ruins lives. Junky is a junky
Obvious troll
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They can have Kratom. Can we bring back GHB??? :'(
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They can have Kratom. Can we bring back GHB??? :'(
How about the original Andro Poppers from Pinnacle? I am still massaging my tits after the fact.
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Drunkard, Welcome to Getbig, where we start posts of with insults. I've even spoke about the Lortab issue in the past, it's nothing new. And Shizzo, I know you're kinda green but weed and lortabs don't make you hallucinate. Pills can and will make you make bad decisions but not hallucinate. You obviously know nothing about them and weed for that matter. You sound like a D.A.R.E. representative basically meaning you don't know what you're talking about. I still love you though.
DARE sucks and has been proven to be ineffective, but it has a stronghold on state and government funding.
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Wiggs, why are you so invested in this? Could you possibly give us some backstory? It's for the kids......
Look Phil Donohue, the implications of this political move will hit hard and deep and your average numb skull like yourself will have no idea why there are so many more pill heads around. Let's not forget what's not even been mentioned is that there's an opioid epidemic in this country and it doesnt care what your race is, how old you are, what your gender is and whether or not you like c oc k or cooch. Let's not forget that the suppliers are pharmaceutical companies, and doctors with incentives to prescribe more. This Kratom was a major weapon a plant used for centuries in other countries. It lessens and even eliminates withdrawal symptoms in people coming off whatever opioid or opiate and is used to wean off opioids period or using a safer alternative to pharma drugs. Now l, they're taking it away, right when we are in the prime of this shit. It makes no sense unless this was planned.
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Look Phil Donohue, the implications of this political move will hit hard and deep and you're average numb skull like yourself will have no idea why there are so many more pill heads around. Let's not forget what's not even been mentioned is that there's an opioid epidemic in this country and it doesnt care what your race is, how old you are, what your gender is and whether or not you like c oc k or cooch. Let's not forget that the suppliers are pharmaceutical companies, and doctors with incentives to prescribe more. This Kratom was a major weapon a plant used for centuries in other countries. It lessons and even eliminates withdrawal symptoms in people coming off whatever opioid or opiate and is used to wean of opioids period or using a safer alternative to pharma drugs. Now l, they're taking it away, right when we are in the prime of this shit. It makes no sense unless this was planned.
Black lives matter?
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DARE sucks and has been proven to be ineffective, but it has a stronghold on state and government funding.
DARE introduced me to drugs. Before DARE, I knew nothing. After, I knew more.
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How many drug addicts do we have on Getbig?
Wiggs, I'm sorry, but this says alot about you, what you believe in, and how you act, on Getbig.
You're a drug addict. Alcohol is a drug, period.
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That stuff tastes like raunchy asshole but I like it
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That stuff tastes like raunchy asshole but I like it
Outed ;D
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That stuff tastes like raunchy asshole but I like it
KRATOMZ
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KRAKOW
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The government wants to ban Kratom for the same reason that Feminists want to ban sexbots and foreign marriage. They're competition.
Does Kratom have any nootropic effects? I've been curious.
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I've tried Kratom several times.
Don't see what the fuss is about it.
Didn't feel like a drug or make me high or anything, just very slight relaxant and improving mood, but it doesn't last long.
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Obvious troll
Guy at work was fired, wacked out of his mind on the stuff.
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How do you guys ingest this stuff. I checked out a website in Canada and all they sell is incense, but they suggest the same effects.
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Big pharma is interested in one thing and thats keeping u hooked on painkillers. No profit in cures or using a legal product to help u come off the stuff.
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Drunkard, Welcome to Getbig, where we start posts of with insults. I've even spoke about the Lortab issue in the past, it's nothing new. And Shizzo, I know you're kinda green but weed and lortabs don't make you hallucinate. Pills can and will make you make bad decisions but not hallucinate. You obviously know nothing about them and weed for that matter. You sound like a D.A.R.E. representative basically meaning you don't know what you're talking about. I still love you though.
What's your thoughts on a weed/Lortab stack? What dosage?
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Well you're wrong. Opium has caused wars and ruined people's lives. Kratom has not.
Kratom has ruined plenty of lives, where it is indigenous in particular. There are many kratom addicts. I agree it shouldn't be S1 but certain strains like red vein thai and the concentrates (30x plus) are drugs, strong ones at that.
If you take a good dose of kratom you are high, itchy etc.
Anything that impacts the opiod system (although a new drug was just trialed in rats) is addictive, it;s the best option as far as opiate type drugs go for addiction, tolerance etc some strains are stimulating while some are sedating, like oxycontin versus hydromorphone
If there was no opium, wars would be fought over Kratom, opium is better so is almost every opiate for pain. I think of it like a spectrum, kratom is good for pain but less addictive and as you increase anti-nociception you get more addictive shit. Methadone follows this idea.
MJ was also once schedule 1, I would say kratom is more problematic than MJ.
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I've also used it in the past when I came off opioids. It helped on so many levels. Taking it away imo is an act of aggression or domestic terrorism. They know what it's used for and why. Taking it only makes more addicts to hard drugs and pharmaceuticals. Fucking assholes.
The entire fucking US government is involved in CONSTANT domestic terrorism. This is just a twinkle in the ocean.
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Kratom has ruined plenty of lives, where it is indigenous in particular. There are many kratom addicts. I agree it shouldn't be S1 but certain strains like red vein thai and the concentrates (30x plus) are drugs, strong ones at that.
If you take a good dose of kratom you are high, itchy etc.
Anything that impacts the opiod system (although a new drug was just trialed in rats) is addictive, it;s the best option as far as opiate type drugs go for addiction, tolerance etc some strains are stimulating while some are sedating, like oxycontin versus hydromorphone
If there was no opium, wars would be fought over Kratom, opium is better so is almost every opiate for pain. I think of it like a spectrum, kratom is good for pain but less addictive and as you increase anti-nociception you get more addictive shit. Methadone follows this idea.
MJ was also once schedule 1, I would say kratom is more problematic than MJ.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. No lives have been ruined in Thailand over Kratom except people who got put in jail over it. And red vein thai is just a type of Kratom sort of like Columbian is a type of coffee. It's not stronger or weaker. How do I know? I've used Kratom for 15 years.
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KRAKATOA
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You really have no idea what you're talking about. No lives have been ruined in Thailand over Kratom except people who got put in jail over it. And red vein thai is just a type of Kratom sort of like Columbian is a type of coffee. It's not stronger or weaker. How do I know? I've used Kratom for 15 years.
Which strain had the best nootropic effects?
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Kratom has ruined plenty of lives, where it is indigenous in particular. There are many kratom addicts. I agree it shouldn't be S1 but certain strains like red vein thai and the concentrates (30x plus) are drugs, strong ones at that.
If you take a good dose of kratom you are high, itchy etc.
Anything that impacts the opiod system (although a new drug was just trialed in rats) is addictive, it;s the best option as far as opiate type drugs go for addiction, tolerance etc some strains are stimulating while some are sedating, like oxycontin versus hydromorphone
If there was no opium, wars would be fought over Kratom, opium is better so is almost every opiate for pain. I think of it like a spectrum, kratom is good for pain but less addictive and as you increase anti-nociception you get more addictive shit. Methadone follows this idea.
MJ was also once schedule 1, I would say kratom is more problematic than MJ.
A friend once mixed up a combo of the red Thai kratom for me at correct doses, we drank it several times that day while we were out, I barely felt anything, I was slightly more relaxed but it did not impair my functioning in any way at all and could carry on with normal conversations etc.
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You really have no idea what you're talking about. No lives have been ruined in Thailand over Kratom except people who got put in jail over it. And red vein thai is just a type of Kratom sort of like Columbian is a type of coffee. It's not stronger or weaker. How do I know? I've used Kratom for 15 years.
There are plenty of people addicted to Kratom, you being one of them obviously.
You are echoing my point brah, certain types have different pharmacology, some have clear MAO-B inhibition like red vein as they are stimulating. Certain types also have different alkaloids which lends to the dirty pharmacology it has, clearly some strains are stronger than others. What do you mean by stronger?
Using your analogy, some coffees are stronger than others, if we are talking methylxathine content, if we are talking anti-oxidant level, it's more broad.
Your analogy is flawed unfortunately broseph... caffeine has no endogenous ligand or system, it exerts it's effects via Adenosine antagonism and phosphodiesterase inhibition. Opoids and the endorphin system are endogenous, we produce endorphins. Because we have a whole system for opiates, multiple receptors with differing effects you can have quite a difference in pain relief , euphoria etc, the mu, delta and kappa receptors act differently, oxycontin has a different response versus hydromorphone. Kratom being a plant like Cannabis, can be sedating, a mix, stimulating, last long or short etc you my friend are wrong.
I didn't check anything I wrote so if you can be so kind to double check my statements for validity it would allow me some free time.
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A friend once mixed up a combo of the red Thai kratom for me at correct doses, we drank it several times that day while we were out, I barely felt anything, I was slightly more relaxed but it did not impair my functioning in any way at all and could carry on with normal conversations etc.
Ya, I have tried most strains and some concentrates, I have really no tolerance for opiates with a few days of oxycontin for knee surgery to compare it to. I found the red thai as strong as oxy, I found the 30x stuff to be honestly far more euphoric than oxy. I had the itch, which is the histamine reaction. I am half trolling wiggs because the earth is flat, kratom should be legal, it is addictive but is a better option.
Just look at the pharmacology of the drug.
It is mainly a MOR agonist, depending on the affinity, partial versus full for example, paradoxical effects can occur. It can reduce pain, enhance euphoria and release gaba (what benzos effect) and means it's addicting, there is just no way around it. Other drugs that activate the receptor like morphine are addictive, kratom is slightly different but would have to be. The MOR's are in the periaqueductal grey mostly, it's going to be addictive.
You might just be a savage, have you tried other strains?
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How do you guys ingest this stuff. I checked out a website in Canada and all they sell is incense, but they suggest the same effects.
Wacked out coworker was making it into a tea I think. Guy would be out on his feet, swaying heel to toe.
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I have the red strain Maeng Da as a preworkout, one teaspoon only on workout days, been doing it for two years now, and find no need to have it on non workout days....shit tastes disgusting, but it works, just like Buckleys!
Best most intense workouts, with absolute focus!
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Which strain had the best nootropic effects?
They're all similar in that sense.
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There are plenty of people addicted to Kratom, you being one of them obviously.
You are echoing my point brah, certain types have different pharmacology, some have clear MAO-B inhibition like red vein as they are stimulating. Certain types also have different alkaloids which lends to the dirty pharmacology it has, clearly some strains are stronger than others. What do you mean by stronger?
Using your analogy, some coffees are stronger than others, if we are talking methylxathine content, if we are talking anti-oxidant level, it's more broad.
Your analogy is flawed unfortunately broseph... caffeine has no endogenous ligand or system, it exerts it's effects via Adenosine antagonism and phosphodiesterase inhibition. Opoids and the endorphin system are endogenous, we produce endorphins. Because we have a whole system for opiates, multiple receptors with differing effects you can have quite a difference in pain relief , euphoria etc, the mu, delta and kappa receptors act differently, oxycontin has a different response versus hydromorphone. Kratom being a plant like Cannabis, can be sedating, a mix, stimulating, last long or short etc you my friend are wrong.
I didn't check anything I wrote so if you can be so kind to double check my statements for validity it would allow me some free time.
You're just trolling now.
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There are plenty of people addicted to Kratom, you being one of them obviously.
You are echoing my point brah, certain types have different pharmacology, some have clear MAO-B inhibition like red vein as they are stimulating. Certain types also have different alkaloids which lends to the dirty pharmacology it has, clearly some strains are stronger than others. What do you mean by stronger?
Using your analogy, some coffees are stronger than others, if we are talking methylxathine content, if we are talking anti-oxidant level, it's more broad.
Your analogy is flawed unfortunately broseph... caffeine has no endogenous ligand or system, it exerts it's effects via Adenosine antagonism and phosphodiesterase inhibition. Opoids and the endorphin system are endogenous, we produce endorphins. Because we have a whole system for opiates, multiple receptors with differing effects you can have quite a difference in pain relief , euphoria etc, the mu, delta and kappa receptors act differently, oxycontin has a different response versus hydromorphone. Kratom being a plant like Cannabis, can be sedating, a mix, stimulating, last long or short etc you my friend are wrong.
I didn't check anything I wrote so if you can be so kind to double check my statements for validity it would allow me some free time.
Trolling shouldnt be you putting all the effort in, it sort of defeats the object.
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Trolling shouldnt be you putting all the effort in, it sort of defeats the object.
so would say a shitty troll.
:D