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Seems like most people never stop pursuing 'gains' in the gym unless they're very old. Advanced lifters are always in pursuit of those last few percentage points.
But does it really make sense in light of the popular model of training: you train hard enough to 'push past your limits' and 'trigger adaptation', then rest, recover, and come back stronger.
But isn't it clearly the case that after a while you push past this threshold, rest, and come back no bigger, stronger, or better in any way than before? And isn't it widely accepted that the 'maintenance threshold' is much lower than the 'adaptation' threshold? Low enough, in fact, to not really require much 'recovery' at all?
So wouldn't it be smarter to substantially change your training once you no longer receive any positive adaptations from a large training stimulus? Isn't it pretty much insanity to keep 'killing it in the gym' in delusional pursuit of those 'last few pounds' when the real reward is only a substantial recover period and NO gains?
And yet, how many people (branch, Ronnie, etc) still train with the same mindset that built their bodies in the first place, without changing one bit even after decades without progress, or even: regression.
After you stop getting better, shouldn't you also stop TRYING to lift more, be bigger, etc. and instead focus on preserving yourself?
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Seems like most people never stop pursuing 'gains' in the gym unless they're very old. Advanced lifters are always in pursuit of those last few percentage points.
But does it really make sense in light of the popular model of training: you train hard enough to 'push past your limits' and 'trigger adaptation', then rest, recover, and come back stronger.
But isn't it clearly the case that after a while you push past this threshold, rest, and come back no bigger, stronger, or better in any way than before? And isn't it widely accepted that the 'maintenance threshold' is much lower than the 'adaptation' threshold? Low enough, in fact, to not really require much 'recovery' at all?
So wouldn't it be smarter to substantially change your training once you no longer receive any positive adaptations from a large training stimulus? Isn't it pretty much insanity to keep 'killing it in the gym' in delusional pursuit of those 'last few pounds' when the real reward is only a substantial recover period and NO gains?
And yet, how many people (branch, Ronnie, etc) still train with the same mindset that built their bodies in the first place, without changing one bit even after decades without progress, or even: regression.
After you stop getting better, shouldn't you also stop TRYING to lift more, be bigger, etc. and instead focus on preserving yourself?
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in my opinion, yes, it makes cents to stop looking for gains on a certain body part. my biceps haven't grown any in 40 years. i have done heavy cheat curls, 225, heavy one arm curls with the 100s, nothing. so yes it seems logical
to just get some blood in them once a week. I'm almost 60.
but other than the biceps, WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO SLOW DOWN NOW!!!!!!! I CAN STILL BENCH MORE THAN 98 PERCENT OF THE GYM, incline three plates. why give in to old age????? why lift like a pussy?
why just go to the gym and just go threw the motions?? i don't understand that thinking. am i getting stronger? fuck yes i am. good diet, train the body parts that i can go balls to the walls on, slow down on the body parts that i can't.
people here think that branch trains like a idiot. i don't. he's hard core, training his balls off. i love it. I'm not talking about ronnie shit, training like that. but fuck me, I'm not quitting until I'm motherfucking dead.
(all my lifts are on you tube under judo choke)
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Seems like most people never stop pursuing 'gains' in the gym unless they're very old. Advanced lifters are always in pursuit of those last few percentage points.
But does it really make sense in light of the popular model of training: you train hard enough to 'push past your limits' and 'trigger adaptation', then rest, recover, and come back stronger.
But isn't it clearly the case that after a while you push past this threshold, rest, and come back no bigger, stronger, or better in any way than before? And isn't it widely accepted that the 'maintenance threshold' is much lower than the 'adaptation' threshold? Low enough, in fact, to not really require much 'recovery' at all?
So wouldn't it be smarter to substantially change your training once you no longer receive any positive adaptations from a large training stimulus? Isn't it pretty much insanity to keep 'killing it in the gym' in delusional pursuit of those 'last few pounds' when the real reward is only a substantial recover period and NO gains?
And yet, how many people (branch, Ronnie, etc) still train with the same mindset that built their bodies in the first place, without changing one bit even after decades without progress, or even: regression.
After you stop getting better, shouldn't you also stop TRYING to lift more, be bigger, etc. and instead focus on preserving yourself?
the key is to kill it everyday everyday.... till simething negative inevitably comes out if it
when these negative things happen...
do you adapt with drugs? =stupidity
less of a kill it attitude?=stupidity
eat more meat?=stupidity
messing around with meals?=smart
food is the molecules that shape your health for the better or worse
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in my opinion, yes, it makes cents to stop looking for gains on a certain body part. my biceps haven't grown any in 40 years. i have done heavy cheat curls, 225, heavy one arm curls with the 100s, nothing. so yes it seems logical
to just get some blood in them once a week. I'm almost 60.
but other than the biceps, WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO SLOW DOWN NOW!!!!!!! I CAN STILL BENCH MORE THAN 98 PERCENT OF THE GYM, incline three plates. why give in to old age????? why lift like a pussy?
why just go to the gym and just go threw the motions?? i don't understand that thinking. am i getting stronger? fuck yes i am. good diet, train the body parts that i can go balls to the walls on, slow down on the body parts that i can't.
people here think that branch trains like a idiot. i don't. he's hard core, training his balls off. i love it. I'm not talking about ronnie shit, training like that. but fuck me, I'm not quitting until I'm motherfucking dead.
(all my lifts are on you tube under judo choke)
This in a nutshell, or as a shorten version because we love to train/workout
It's been a challenge for me to come back from near death 2 years ago, and I still have a long way to go, but I love that tiny little miniscule amount of progress or even maintenance I make on a daily, monthly basis.
Cephissus, you focus way too much on the negatives concerning working out/nutrition etc, focus on the positive like Judochoke has mentioned for example
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At least keep wiggling your toes.
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Who is that? Groink? Galeniko?
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Up the dose.
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Seems like most people never stop pursuing 'gains' in the gym unless they're very old. Advanced lifters are always in pursuit of those last few percentage points.
But does it really make sense in light of the popular model of training: you train hard enough to 'push past your limits' and 'trigger adaptation', then rest, recover, and come back stronger.
But isn't it clearly the case that after a while you push past this threshold, rest, and come back no bigger, stronger, or better in any way than before? And isn't it widely accepted that the 'maintenance threshold' is much lower than the 'adaptation' threshold? Low enough, in fact, to not really require much 'recovery' at all?
So wouldn't it be smarter to substantially change your training once you no longer receive any positive adaptations from a large training stimulus? Isn't it pretty much insanity to keep 'killing it in the gym' in delusional pursuit of those 'last few pounds' when the real reward is only a substantial recover period and NO gains?
And yet, how many people (branch, Ronnie, etc) still train with the same mindset that built their bodies in the first place, without changing one bit even after decades without progress, or even: regression.
After you stop getting better, shouldn't you also stop TRYING to lift more, be bigger, etc. and instead focus on preserving yourself?
Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.
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in my opinion, yes, it makes cents to stop looking for gains on a certain body part. my biceps haven't grown any in 40 years. i have done heavy cheat curls, 225, heavy one arm curls with the 100s, nothing. so yes it seems logical
to just get some blood in them once a week. I'm almost 60.
but other than the biceps, WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT TO SLOW DOWN NOW!!!!!!! I CAN STILL BENCH MORE THAN 98 PERCENT OF THE GYM, incline three plates. why give in to old age????? why lift like a pussy?
why just go to the gym and just go threw the motions?? i don't understand that thinking. am i getting stronger? fuck yes i am. good diet, train the body parts that i can go balls to the walls on, slow down on the body parts that i can't.
people here think that branch trains like a idiot. i don't. he's hard core, training his balls off. i love it. I'm not talking about ronnie shit, training like that. but fuck me, I'm not quitting until I'm motherfucking dead.
(all my lifts are on you tube under judo choke)
Very much of what I do.
Only A few years younger than you.
It's the challenge against ones self.
Got to keep going.
;)
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food is the molecules that shape your health for the better or worse
Yes.
Food quality = Body quality (Health) ...
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I'm stronger at 46 than I've ever been and my core lifts are progressively getting bigger.
It's fun as fuck.
Why stop?
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There's the stuff:
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Straight up BOBBLE HEAD.
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incidentally this popped up on my youtube feed today, interview with Bill Pearl, who was 80 at the time of the interview.
He touches alot on the why in it.
I didn't catch at first but realized part way through that it was our own Fortress that was one of the fellas interviewing Bill
Anyways Bill has the attitude I would like to attempt to emulate
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I'm stronger at 46 than I've ever been and my core lifts are progressively getting bigger.
It's fun as fuck.
Why stop?
Really? How much have your best lifts gone up in the last year? Five years? Ten years?
Honestly, you've always come off as someone who is trying to convince himself with all the iron eulogizing... How can you be so over the top in love with something you do every day and still so clearly miserable at the same time? We've all seen the vitriol you spew in practically every thread. And how about the loneliness you've brought up on multiple occasions?
Don't you ever wonder if, by building your identity around lifting, you've caused these problems for yourself?
And how fitting that moron gimmick would bring groink into this thread. One time he said something like "if I wasn't getting anything out of lifting I would have moved on a long time ago". I remember how hard it was for me to imagine myself thinking the same, back then. But today, the thought doesn't seem so alien.
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Really? How much have your best lifts gone up in the last year? Five years? Ten years?
Honestly, you've always come off as someone who is trying to convince himself with all the iron eulogizing... How can you be so over the top in love with something you do every day and still so clearly miserable at the same time? We've all seen the vitriol you spew in practically every thread. And how about the loneliness you've brought up on multiple occasions?
Don't you ever wonder if, by building your identity around lifting, you've caused these problems for yourself?
And how fitting that moron gimmick would bring groink into this thread. One time he said something like "if I wasn't getting anything out of lifting I would have moved on a long time ago". I remember how hard it was for me to imagine myself thinking the same, back then. But today, the thought doesn't seem so alien.
There is always progress to be made. The same goes with all facets of life. The first step, is coming to grips with your current situation. Are you happy with yourself? If not, then what is holding you back? If you are at peace, then you are free to enjoy the little things in life.
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There is always progress to be made. The same goes with all facets of life. The first step, is coming to grips with your current situation. Are you happy with yourself? If not, then what is holding you back? If you are at peace, then you are free to enjoy the little things in life.
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Suck one cock and they brand you for life.
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The only thing I am branded is: "Getbigger For Life". I got it tattooed on my lower back.
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There is always progress to be made. The same goes with all facets of life. The first step, is coming to grips with your current situation. Are you happy with yourself? If not, then what is holding you back? If you are at peace, then you are free to enjoy the little things in life.
don't be too shocked, but I agree 100%
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don't be too shocked, but I agree 100%
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There is always progress to be made. The same goes with all facets of life.
Is there? I'll never bench press, squat, or deadlift more than I have in the past. And even if I could, it's easy to imagine someone else who couldn't (someone who lost their legs, for example). So what do I gain from trying? Especially when the cost is high: trying to make adaptations is more risky and dangerous than maintaining some strength. The latter lets me focus my energy on a different goal, as well.
But if I focus on a new goal, I cant continue to identify as an 'athlete', 'bodybuilder', 'fitness expert', or whatever the case may be... And reshaping one's identity is a tremendous effort. I think this is the real reason people try to convince themselves how much they love lifting weights (in itself), or how thrilling the pursuit of miniscule gains is (when it's not), or how much they love any other side-aspect of bodybuilding, their sport, or whatever endeavour might be under consideration.
You're right, my question applies far more generally. And I think the answer is always the same: we continue killing ourselves in pursuit of the tiniest gains, because the reasonable alternative (maintenance at far less effort) isn't compatible with what we believe about ourselves (I.e. our identity): if you don't 'go hard', you can't call yourself an 'X'. But clinging to the delusion of 'progress' is easier than the alternative: no longer NEEDING to be an 'X', becoming, instead, something else...
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Is there? I'll never bench press, squat, or deadlift more than I have in the past. And even if I could, it's easy to imagine someone else who couldn't (someone who lost their legs, for example). So what do I gain from trying? Especially when the cost is high: trying to make adaptations is more risky and dangerous than maintaining some strength. The latter lets me focus my energy on a different goal, as well.
But if I focus on a new goal, I cant continue to identify as an 'athlete', 'bodybuilder', 'fitness expert', or whatever the case may be... And reshaping one's identity is a tremendous effort. I think this is the real reason people try to convince themselves how much they love lifting weights (in itself), or how thrilling the pursuit of miniscule gains is (when it's not), or how much they love any other side-aspect of bodybuilding, their sport, or whatever endeavour might be under consideration.
You're right, my question applies far more generally. And I think the answer is always the same: we continue killing ourselves in pursuit of the tiniest gains, because the reasonable alternative (maintenance at far less effort) isn't compatible with what we believe about ourselves (I.e. our identity): if you don't 'go hard', you can't call yourself an 'X'. But clinging to the delusion of 'progress' is easier than the alternative: no longer NEEDING to be an 'X', becoming, instead, something else...
How close are you to your immediate family? The reason I ask, is because you sound like you are alone, and crying out for help.
We all hope to survive this life by making continual, "minuscule gains". Why are you over analyzing every aspect of your life?
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Really? How much have your best lifts gone up in the last year? Five years? Ten years?
Honestly, you've always come off as someone who is trying to convince himself with all the iron eulogizing... How can you be so over the top in love with something you do every day and still so clearly miserable at the same time? We've all seen the vitriol you spew in practically every thread. And how about the loneliness you've brought up on multiple occasions?
Don't you ever wonder if, by building your identity around lifting, you've caused these problems for yourself?
And how fitting that moron gimmick would bring groink into this thread. One time he said something like "if I wasn't getting anything out of lifting I would have moved on a long time ago". I remember how hard it was for me to imagine myself thinking the same, back then. But today, the thought doesn't seem so alien.
I'm not miserable. You have never met me face to face.
Barring injury, I am right on schedule to hit a 700-pound squat, raw, Olympic style, drug-free, by the time I reach 50.
Eat that, chuck.
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the key is to kill it everyday everyday.... till simething negative inevitably comes out if it
when these negative things happen...
do you adapt with drugs? =stupidity
less of a kill it attitude?=stupidity
eat more meat?=stupidity
messing around with meals?=smart
food is the molecules that shape your health for the better or worse
At least that is something you believe, but on the other hand, you are an idiot, so who the fuck cares what you believe? A semi or full time alcoholic who is messing around with meals and eating smartly, while smoking weed and wondering why eating fucking vitamins doesn't help with pain in lower back? Only reason why you aren't in some mental institute is the fact that you are too stupid to understand that you are sick.
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Muscle memory: the fading bodybuilders goal.......that will never deliver.
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I'm not miserable. You have never met me face to face.
Barring injury, I am right on schedule to hit a 700-pound squat, raw, Olympic style, drug-free, by the time I reach 50.
Eat that, chuck.
:o Excellent going.
Hope you achieve it.
What Bodyweight ?
700lb Squat is Very Good Going.
👍🏻
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thats like asking why keep enjoying yourself.
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There's the stuff:
Thats you? You look awesome (No h-mo)...
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Up the dose.
That's what I thought.....life is simple at times.
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I'm not miserable. You have never met me face to face.
Barring injury, I am right on schedule to hit a 700-pound squat, raw, Olympic style, drug-free, by the time I reach 50.
Eat that, chuck.
Hell yeah.
Fucking inspirational brah.
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This in a nutshell, or as a shorten version because we love to train/workout
It's been a challenge for me to come back from near death 2 years ago, and I still have a long way to go, but I love that tiny little miniscule amount of progress or even maintenance I make on a daily, monthly basis.
Cephissus, you focus way too much on the negatives concerning working out/nutrition etc, focus on the positive like Judochoke has mentioned for example
If you dont mind me asking..... What happened, what was going on?
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There is always progress to be made. The same goes with all facets of life. The first step, is coming to grips with your current situation. Are you happy with yourself? If not, then what is holding you back? If you are at peace, then you are free to enjoy the little things in life.
I am forced to fully agree with Shizzo for the second time this evening.
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doesnt have to be progress.
how about you feel different lifting heavy rather than light.
how about you enjoy being in the gym so why would you be there twice rather than 4 times a week? why would you cut your enjoyment in half? there's lots of reasons for going to the gym.
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Muscle memory: the fading bodybuilders goal.......that will never deliver.
I have been out of the game for +10 years but each year I have a couple of weeks of madness in were I start to workout again. And every time I grow like a weed.... This giving me the assurance of musclememory and the fact that a comeback is possible. Thats enough for me so after those couple of weeks I quit ;D
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I'm 32 and I can't stop getting nagging injuries first it's bulging disks in my neck then sciatic nerve problems then tendinitis in the elbows. I feel like an old man some days I've only been training heavy for 10-12 years I can't imagine how I'm going to function at this rate in another ten years. I already had to give up squatting and heavy incline presses.
Been taking msm for joints and it works amazingly well last two weeks I've pretty much been pain free I had to stop taking so much advil and naproxen.
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If you dont mind me asking..... What happened, what was going on?
Well, he has this piece of paper, a memo he has to keep with him and look all the time: in one side of it reads "inhale" and "turn page" and another side is "exhale" and "turn page". He just happens to hold that paper with his thumb over the words "turn page"..we have lost good getbiggers by this kind of accidents, but fortunately all he had was "near death experience".. ;D
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fried chicken n steroids, all you need for continued bodbuilding
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Been taking msm for joints and it works amazingly well last two weeks I've pretty much been pain free I had to stop taking so much advil and naproxen.
That shit ruins your liver and kidneys. I know people who take this stuff like candy... they're going to regret it later.