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Should be very interesting tonight on who will fare better in the debates.
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Hilary has far better answers, but her health issues and likely use of medicine to stay upright and alert for 90+ minutes might cause her to fall over, cough, choke, or get really sick. She's likely a sick sick woman and should resign - her lust for power drives her.
Trump is a vibrant man, great on television and confident with momentum on his side. BUT his answers are usually brief vague promises of greatness. He doesn't understand policy, his military proposals are dangerous and illegal, and his tariff ideas would crush many American businesses and consumers. Worse, he doesn't know what he doesn't know - and he's unwilling to admit that.
Ron.... The winner today will be Lester Holt, who, out of the 3 people onstage, would be the safest bet to lead the nation.
An educated Republican and a man of color - Holt might just be what the country needs. And he's far better than either of these two lying dolts onstage with him tonight. :)
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Trump Trump Trump
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;D
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Trump is a master debater
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Should be very interesting tonight on who will fare better in the debates.
Supporters of both sides are going to be proclaiming victory. MSM will likely declare Hillary the winner. Online polls will probably say Trump in a landslide.
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Trump wiped out all the other Republican candidates in the primaries.
Hillary couldn't out talk Obama, in 2008, and this time she only had to beat Bernie Sanders, and anyone is smarter that he is, though she barely beat him. Also she had to beat Elizabeth Warren, who is like your crazy aunt Batty, who lives in the attic. Big deal.
Hillary has political experience, but lives in a bubble, outside of reality. Trump lives, deals, and prospers in the real world. He can relate to us who have to live in the real world too.
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Trump is a master debater
to you, sure.
In an actual debate, you can't call names.
Technically, ted Cruz was a national debate champ. He is a master debater. But voters don't care about debate skills - they want tough talking clickbait entertainer populist...
Trump is a master tough talk clickbait entertainer populist.
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Trump wiped out all the other Republican candidates in the primaries.
He got what, 44%? Because the other 56% anti-trump vote pretty much splintered that shit between several candidates.
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to you, sure.
In an actual debate, you can't call names.
Technically, ted Cruz was a national debate champ. He is a master debater. But voters don't care about debate skills - they want tough talking clickbait entertainer populist...
Trump is a master tough talk clickbait entertainer populist.
You missed the pun
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It certainly seems like it will play out this way.
If Hillary "loses", she can play the victim card and cry "misogyny and sexism". If she "wins" the whole narrative will be that she is "fierce and strong" and she "powered through" despite the "misogyny and sexism".
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Trump is a master debater
i see the pun now. studying java code = my eyes burn. At 6 2 and 267 pounds, 70 years old, I doubt trump's junk works these days.
NOBODY with an IQ over 80 believes Trump's answers will be better. His only hope is that he's better on tv, with glib one liners, etc. Nobody with a brain thinks Trump understands global issues better than hillary.
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For those of you brahs too cool for TV's.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iAMeZDlgI[/youtu
If feed goes down, just YouTube search "cnn live" or "fox news live" if that's your persuasion for other channels. I've heard Bloomberg will have great coverage as well.
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Updated link.
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Sorry bro, my internet will be dedicated to getbig. I may have the tv running on the debates as ambient noise whilst I fap to pics of trannys, argue about racial superiority, and hate on Phil "the narrow" Heath.
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Hilary has far better answers, but her health issues and likely use of medicine to stay upright and alert for 90+ minutes might cause her to fall over, cough, choke, or get really sick. She's likely a sick sick woman and should resign - her lust for power drives her.
Trump is a vibrant man, great on television and confident with momentum on his side. BUT his answers are usually brief vague promises of greatness. He doesn't understand policy, his military proposals are dangerous and illegal, and his tariff ideas would crush many American businesses and consumers. Worse, he doesn't know what he doesn't know - and he's unwilling to admit that.
Ron.... The winner today will be Lester Holt, who, out of the 3 people onstage, would be the safest bet to lead the nation.
An educated Republican and a man of color - Holt might just be what the country needs. And he's far better than either of these two lying dolts onstage with him tonight. :)
Lol, this. Kinda.
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So far, Trump is sniffling and frowny. Hilary is an attack dog, grinning, and a tad loopy.
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Stfu 240 - trump is killing her
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She seems to lose her cool often and her voice sounds odd at times.
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Man, this is kind of painful to watch.
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She seems to lose her cool often and her voice sounds odd at times.
Are we watching the same debate?
Trump is yelling, interrupting, cutting her off. I really don't see how she's the one losing her cool. Trump tried to stay calm and on point, but after about 20 minutes, he couldn't keep that stoic look anymore. He just lost it.
That's just the way I see it though. I think it's obvious that Trump supporters will say he won, Hillary supporters will say she won, and I will remain unimpressed by either because both Gary Johnson and Jill Stein should be there to present an alternative.
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Cliff Notes
Hillary: Donald Trump is a racist and a divider blah blah blah
Trump: Hillary is a liar and a threat to national security blah blah blah
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Stfu 240 - trump is killing her
She's laughing and attacking. Hes on the defense. Cutting her off constantly.
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First time in my life I'm kind of rooting for a suicide bomber taking them all out...
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First time in my life I'm kind of rooting for a suicide bomber taking them all out...
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Cliff Notes
Hillary: Donald Trump is a racist and a divider blah blah blah
Trump: Hillary is a liar and a threat to national security blah blah blah
you forget the part where 240isback makes a comment then coachisback melts and it turns into a 50 page debate
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She's laughing and attacking. Hes on the defense. Cutting her off constantly.
You love her. We get it
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you forget the part where 240isback makes a comment then coachisback melts and it turns into a 50 page debate
240BlowsBlacks makes an asinine statement, contradicts himself, then argues both sides of the issue without ever making any sense.
Then he rides his Schwinn down to the local BLM Meeting and blows a few dudes.
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Why is Clinton pausing so much with her words. ???
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Why is Clinton pausing so much with her words. ???
Crashing from the amphetamines.
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Why is Clinton pausing so much with her words. ???
Masturbating under the lectern?
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I really like Trump, but I gotta admit he's no doing better than Hillary in this debate.
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I really like Trump, but I gotta admit he's no doing better than Hillary in this debate.
Yeah, his style of speaking is poorly suited to this type of debate.
I don't care for Hillary but she's a very skilled debater
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I really like Trump, but I gotta admit he's no doing better than Hillary in this debate.
he blew it
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she crushed him tonight.... destroyed
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she crushed him tonight.... destroyed
she wasnt good, trump happened to be worse
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"My strongest attribute is my temperament." he says unhingedly.
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Seemed like a no win for either one. Both were just,"blah".
Not that debates seem to matter in the grand scheme of things. Maybe this election they might, but previous years they haven't.
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Trump seems more put together in the post debate interview with Hannity.
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he blew it
He just had to stay calm and collected to win.
Don't interrupt. Stay on topic.
I agree with you.
He has time to recover though. There are two more debates to go.
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I don't think anyone won the debate, and I am a conservative Republican.
I think Trump kept talking about disaster this and disaster that, but it got old.
Hilary was so prepped, I felt shed was reading lines out of a scripted notebook.
Did it change my mind, not at all.
Hilary will be bad for our country, and Trump's policies are not that great either.
He can be a great businessperson, and get our country back on track, but there will be a ton of resistance because of all the politics and money flowing involved. Hence, why so many people support Trump. Not because he is better than Hillary in terms of policies, but that he will make changes when no one else has.
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he blew it
I think it was a no win, she offered nothing but canned political answers that we all expected. He didn't offer anything better, but he controlled that debate, the moderator couldn't stop him from talking whenever he felt like it.
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I don't think anyone won the debate, and I am a conservative Republican.
I think Trump kept talking about disaster this and disaster that, but it got old.
Hilary was so prepped, I felt shed was reading lines out of a scripted notebook.
Did it change my mind, not at all.
Hilary will be bad for our country, and Trump's policies are not that great either.
He can be a great businessperson, and get our country back on track, but there will be a ton of resistance because of all the politics and money flowing involved. Hence, why so many people support Trump. Not because he is better than Hillary in terms of policies, but that he will make changes when no one else has.
Hillary: Rehearsed scripted lines.
Trump: Blathering about how great he is, and how proud he is.
Two of the worst candidates in history. :-\
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I did think it was rather obvious that ol' Lester asked Trump more pointed questions about his "issues" then Hillary. Kind of funny how he tried to turn Trump saying that Hillary didn't have the "look of a president" into a sexist phrase.
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On the Drudge Poll Trump won by over 90%
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Trump was sick. He sniffed about 60 times that I counted. Ran out of steam right after 10 o clock, and the last half hour was very weak for him. Sentences falling apart, repeating himself, and his answers really showed he wasn't prepared.
IMHO - the reason hilary collapsed in polls in mid-September is that young voters believed she had serious illness and wasn't fit to serve.
Tonight, 100 million people saw her laughing and energetic, and Trump was sniffling and really had poor answers. He just didn't act presidential. he interrupted constantly, he bragged about unrelated things... Trump really showed he's much better with less time. Given 4 hours, he would have only gotten worse, and Hilary would have only gotten stronger (we saw her go 11 hours and get shinier by the hour).
personally, trump's tax policies help my ass MUCH more, so if he wins, I'm cool with that. And he's a 911 truther, which is super interesting. But I think in ONE WEEK, we'll see hilary moving up 3 points and those 3 points coming from Trump. Those who doubted her health were just reassured.
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On the Drudge Poll Trump won by over 90%
oh. there's a surprise lol. Druge that did trump's face in a HEART earlier this month, right? ;)
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oh. there's a surprise lol. Druge that did trump's face in a HEART earlier this month, right? ;)
Did they rig the polls by 90%? Yes or no?
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Did they rig the polls by 90%? Yes or no?
I'm saying Drudge's viewers are highly conservative. You know that, man. They knew at 9:01pm that Trump was going to win, and they were going to vote for him then.
It's drudge. It measures nothing but how excited conservatives are. I"m a little weirded out that you came on getbig bragging that Trump did well in a debate. HuffPo's undecided plan voted 17-3 that Hilary won - doesn't mean shit either, as it's a highly leftist site.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Those who doubted her health were just reassured.
I don't think so, anyone paying attention could see she was lethargic, hardly moved anything but her head, barely had any body movement, blinked a million times. She was clinging on to the podium for 90 minutes.
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I'm saying Drudge's viewers are highly conservative. You know that, man. They knew at 9:01pm that Trump was going to win, and they were going to vote for him then.
It's drudge. It measures nothing but how excited conservatives are. I"m a little weirded out that you came on getbig bragging that Trump did well in a debate. HuffPo's undecided plan voted 17-3 that Hilary won - doesn't mean shit either, as it's a highly leftist site.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Yes, Matt Drudge is a conservative and the site dies lean right, but as you know the Drudge Report is an aggregate and even posts up articles from left rags like Politico and Huffpo. You can bet the readership is probably close to 50% left leaning.
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You won't see her for three days because she has to come down from her meds. She just ran a marathon and didn't know it.
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Funny, but it sure looks like she just gave donald an old fashioned face-fucking.
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You won't see her for three days because she has to come down from her meds. She just ran a marathon and didn't know it.
This. The real health issues will be answered in the coming days if her "pneumonia" comes back.
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Yes, Matt Drudge is a conservative and the site dies lean right, but as you know the Drudge Report is an aggregate and even posts up articles from left rags like Politico and Huffpo. You can bet the readership is probably close to 50% left leaning.
Coach,
The majority of stories on the home page have a far-right slant. Sometimes they toss in some lib stuff, but if you think it's 50 50... well...
Then you probably think Trump won tonight too ;)
Cause The Weekly Standard, a highly conservative news outlet, says he choked. Everyone is saying it. There's a reason.
This. The real health issues will be answered in the coming days if her "pneumonia" comes back.
Hilary has ZERO appearances planned until Oct 20th. ZERO for the next 4 weeks. Just rest and hide disease and do the 2 debates, if Trump doesn't back out. She's fcked up, but they hid it well tonight.
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Coach,
The majority of stories on the home page have a far-right slant. Sometimes they toss in some lib stuff, but if you think it's 50 50... well...
Then you probably think Trump won tonight too ;)
Cause The Weekly Standard, a highly conservative news outlet, says he choked. Everyone is saying it. There's a reason.
Hilary has ZERO appearances planned until Oct 20th. ZERO for the next 4 weeks. Just rest and hide disease and do the 2 debates, if Trump doesn't back out. She's fcked up, but they hid it well tonight.
I caught bits and pieces of the debate but every indication and those that I've spoken too said Trump won even though he went a little overboard towards the end. Did he "choke" I don't know but you seem to have a flair for the dramatic. That being said even if he did "choke" he still won.
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I caught bits and pieces of the debate but every indication and those that I've spoken too said Trump won even though he went a little overboard towards the end. Did he "choke" I don't know but you seem to have a flair for the dramatic. That being said even if he did "choke" he still won.
How in the WORLD can you say Trump won - and you didn't even watch?
LOL! You have to be the WORST political commentator in the universe, man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"while I didn't watch the debate, I can say with certainty that trump won...>"
And if you believe "even if he did choke, he still won", that tells us everything we need to know about you - Trump could have masturbated into his podium for 90 minutes and you'd still consider Hillary to be the loser tonight ;)
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On the Drudge Poll Trump won by over 90%
Bro - That's a Drudge ad you're reading. OMG.
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How in the WORLD can you say Trump won - and you didn't even watch?
LOL! You have to be the WORST political commentator in the universe, man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"while I didn't watch the debate, I can say with certainty that trump won...>"
And if you believe "even if he did choke, he still won", that tells us everything we need to know about you - Trump could have masturbated into his podium for 90 minutes and you'd still consider Hillary to be the loser tonight ;)
Because you love Killary and are basically the Baghdad Bob of Getbig.
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Because you love Killary and are basically the Baghdad Bob of Getbig.
Doesn't matter what I think. Matters what the nation thinks.
Aside from the Drudge ad, can you link us up some polls showing Trump won the debate you didn't watch?
I will give trump credit. At least he didn't blame a faulty microphone.
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Doesn't matter what I think. Matters what the nation thinks.
Aside from the Drudge ad, can you link us up some polls showing Trump won the debate you didn't watch?
I will give trump credit. At least he didn't blame a faulty microphone.
Actually it kinda does because you represent those Killary supporters that does care what she's done, what crimes she's committed, who's she's killed or had killed or what she's obviously hiding as long as you have a women president. You make it clear you're fine with what Obama has brought over the last eight years which makes it clear on why you make excuses for Killary.
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Actually it kinda does because you represent those Killary supporters that does care what she's done, what crimes she's committed, who's she's killed or had killed or what she's obviously hiding as long as you have a women president. You make it clear you're fine with what Obama has brought over the last eight years which makes it clear on why you make excuses for Killary.
as I posted before, Im not a real political pundit, but it seems your entire basis on who to vote for is so you can repeatedly say "Killary" and not recognize that Donald Trump is an unhinged unstable man. Your arguments and theories are very strange at best.
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Actually it kinda does because you represent those Killary supporters that does care what she's done, what crimes she's committed, who's she's killed or had killed or what she's obviously hiding as long as you have a women president. You make it clear you're fine with what Obama has brought over the last eight years which makes it clear on why you make excuses for Killary.
As I've said on getbig - I'll be thrilled if trump wins - he's awesome for small business.
I only think there's a small % chance he starts WWIII or a trade war over twitter comments.
Have you watched the debate yet? Your auto-defend of a performance you didn't even watch...
You should check it out, man. Trump started strong. then the runny nose started.
he'll downplay it, he's already blaming the republican moderator for bias. But he had the nation's ear tonight -and he choked.
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As I've said on getbig - I'll be thrilled if trump wins - he's awesome for small business.
I only think there's a small % chance he starts WWIII or a trade war over twitter comments.
Have you watched the debate yet? Your auto-defend of a performance you didn't even watch...
You should check it out, man. Trump started strong. then the runny nose started.
he'll downplay it, he's already blaming the republican moderator for bias. But he had the nation's ear tonight -and he choked.
You don't think the moderator was a little biased?
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You don't think the moderator was a little biased?
I think trump - repeatedly - had 120 seconds to say anything he wanted with very few interruptions for hilary. Trump is VERY good at witty funny comebacks - and hilary didn't interrupt him, giving him the opening. She let him have as much time as he wanted - and as we know... he restates a problem, he talks about why it's a problem, he relates it to his own experience, and he promises to fix the problem better than hilary - BUT then there's 45 seconds left when we realize he never actually listed a solution on all that word salad rehashing.
i don't care if sean penn was moderating - trump could say antyhing he wanted once he got his 2 minutes - he didn't use them well.
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I think trump - repeatedly - had 120 seconds to say anything he wanted with very few interruptions for hilary. Trump is VERY good at witty funny comebacks - and hilary didn't interrupt him, giving him the opening. She let him have as much time as he wanted - and as we know... he restates a problem, he talks about why it's a problem, he relates it to his own experience, and he promises to fix the problem better than hilary - BUT then there's 45 seconds left when we realize he never actually listed a solution on all that word salad rehashing.
i don't care if sean penn was moderating - trump could say antyhing he wanted once he got his 2 minutes - he didn't use them well.
You didn't answer the question. You should run for political office, you say alot but never an answer. ;)
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You didn't answer the question. You should run for political office, you say alot but never an answer. ;)
Holt did have to interrupt Trump about 30 times. but only because he interrupted hilary, went over on time, and generally didn't give a shit about the rules.
Trump had the time and ability/freedom to talk about anything he wanted. yet he didn't bring up the clinton foundation and only hit on the emails once. That's from a lack of preparation. So busy thinking on his feet that he couldn't pull out the big hilary flaws.
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That was on purpose. And he's using the debates to tank this motherffker.
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I watched the debate. I am Republican and voting for Trump.
But he did not win this debate, nor lose it.
They were both off here.
My 10 and 12 year old kids thought that Trump was the better speaker, but cut her off a lot.
And they also thought that Hillary was stiff and reading from something.
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I watched the debate. I am Republican and voting for Trump.
But he did not win this debate, nor lose it.
They were both off here.
My 10 and 12 year old kids thought that Trump was the better speaker, but cut her off a lot.
And they also thought that Hillary was stiff and reading from something.
its weird how we vote for a person based on the party they are in. Why not just vote for the person based on the person. There are probably independents out there substantially better than the 2 main candidates. Politics makes no sense
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Prediction markets moved toward Clinton during the debate. PredictWise, which aggregates odds from betting markets and bookmakers, showed her odds of winning the presidency rising from 69% before the debate to 73% after.
TV news focus groups said Clinton clearly won. The CBS undecided voter focus group, run by Frank Luntz, gave it to her by a margin of 16 to six; CNN’s gave it to her by 18 to two.
Trump’s own surrogates won’t argue forcefully that he won. The rules of this are usually simple: If you’re a surrogate, you go into the spin room after the debate and say your candidate killed it. Clinton’s supporters are following the usual script. But lots of Trump supporters can’t even bring themselves to do that. Laura Ingraham said on Fox News that Trump left a lot of material on the table and complained about Lester Holt’s topic choices. Even Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s former campaign manager who now works for CNN, would only say Trump won the first half of the debate.
One focus group participant said something telling. A CNN panelist who gave the win to Clinton noted, approvingly, that she “took control of the situation.” This is true: She projected confidence and brought up topics that were difficult for Trump, while Trump failed to raise many of his strengths and her weaknesses. Trump spent 25 words on Rosie O’Donnell, yet said nothing about the wall, the Clinton Foundation, or Clinton’s comment about “deplorables.”
Trump skipped a post-debate victory party he was supposed to attend and went straight home. Trump said he enjoyed the debate but didn’t seem too eager celebrate. Maybe he was sad, or was feeling low-energy, or lacked the stamina to greet his supporters.
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What a shit show last night.
The old man was rambling. The old lady seemed like she was reading a script the entire time. She baited him about 35 minutes in with the "small loan" from his father, and he never seemed to refocus. The last hour Trump was on defense (part of which was Lester's fault).
However...
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Notice the outlier is CNN... wonder why???
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"Debate didn't really change anything... Still the Change Candidate vs. the Career Politician" - Morning Joe
EDIT: "I think Trump is going to get a lot of new voters from this debate." - Mika/Morning Joe.
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A good read/point.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151007796236/i-score-the-first-debate (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151007796236/i-score-the-first-debate)
Scott Adam's Blog.
Trump and Clinton debated each other for the first time last night. Here’s how I score the night.
Clinton won on points. She had more command of the details and the cleaner answers. Trump did a lot of interrupting and he was defensive. If this were a college debate competition, Clinton would be declared the winner. I call that victory on the 2D chess board. But voters don’t care about facts and debating style. They care about how they feel. So let’s talk about that.
For starters, Trump and Clinton both seemed “presidential” enough. That mattered more for Trump. We haven’t seen him off the teleprompter lately. So Trump passed that test by being sufficiently serious.
Clinton looked (to my eyes) as if she was drugged, tired, sick, or generally unhealthy, even though she was mentally alert and spoke well. But her eyes were telling a different story. She had the look of someone whose doctors had engineered 90 minutes of alertness for her just for the event. If she continues with a light campaign schedule, you should assume my observation is valid, and she wasn’t at 100%.
Some will say Clinton outperformed expectations because she didn’t cough, collapse, or die right on stage. That would be true if she also looked healthy in general, and her campaign schedule from here on out is full. We’ll know more this week, based on her schedule.
Clinton’s smile seemed forced, artificial, and frankly creepy. I’m already hearing on Twitter that mentioning a woman’s smile is sexist. I understand the point. But when someone goes full Joker-face and tests the uncanny valley hypothesis at the same time, that’s a bit different from telling a woman to “smile more.” My neighbor Kristina hypothesized that Botox was making her smile look unnatural. Science tells us that when a person’s mouth smiles, but their eyes don’t match the smile, they look disingenuous if not creepy. Botox on your crow’s feet lines around your eyes can give that effect. But whatever the reason, something looked off to me.
To be fair, Trump’s physical appearance won’t win him any votes either. But his makeup looked better than I have seen it (no orange), his haircut was as good as it gets for him, and he was otherwise his normal self that some voters hate and some like.
But the most interesting question has to do with what problem both of them were trying to solve with the debate. Clinton tried to look healthy, and as I mentioned, I don’t think she completely succeeded. But Trump needed to solve exactly one problem: Look less scary. Trump needed to counter Clinton’s successful branding of him as having a bad temperament to the point of being dangerous to the country. Trump accomplished exactly that…by…losing the debate.
Trump was defensive, and debated poorly at points, but he did not look crazy. And pundits noticed that he intentionally avoided using his strongest attacks regarding Bill Clinton’s scandals. In other words, he showed control. He stayed in the presidential zone under pressure. And in so doing, he solved for his only remaining problem. He looked safer.
By tomorrow, no one will remember what either of them said during the debate. But we will remember how they made us feel.
Clinton won the debate last night. And while she was doing it, Trump won the election. He had one thing to accomplish – being less scary – and he did it.
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"Debate didn't really change anything... Still the Change Candidate vs. the Career Politician" - Morning Joe
EDIT: "I think Trump is going to get a lot of new voters from this debate." - Mika/Morning Joe.
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Trump is still praising himself for avoiding clinton's past, but says he may use it in the next debate. Any chance of props for taking the high road is gone. He loses that.
He brought up the miss piggy/ miss universe thing today on FOX news. Dumb. Explaining that she gained a lot of weight and THAT is why he called her miss piggy.
Fuck.
Is he this stupid? The CNN pundit just said "Is he TRYING to lose" and you have to wonder. Of ALL the things he could hammer hilary on - he calls up FOX to explain why he called a woman piggy - and JUSTIFIES it by saying well, she did gain a bunch of weight, so...
I just read this one.. it's true...
"By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking."
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Yeah, real cute having Trump positioned below the word "Men" and Hillary below the word "Right".
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Yep, ABC (at least) had her centered directly under "Right of the People" with Trump directly under "Men".
Someone actually sits down and dreams this stuff up, then it's purposefully arranged into what we see. That's what's happened. It is just so incredibly dishonest and insulting to do stuff like that, I want to punch someone it makes me so angry. Who the fuck do they think they are?
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Supporters of both sides are going to be proclaiming victory. MSM will likely declare Hillary the winner. Online polls will probably say Trump in a landslide.
Majority of snap polls show Trump won debate by a landslide despite CNN's overwhelming victory for Hillary in biggest official survey
CNN's snap poll gave Clinton the win with 62 per cent to Trump's 27
But most of the others reported Trump was the winner by a landslide
The pair engaged in a vigorous back-and-forth at Hofstra University
Here, we present the results from snap polls conducted after the debate
By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
27 September 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html#ixzz4LTh0uRwY
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Hillary better win this election. Otherwise she'll go down in history as the one who lost to both extremes, USA's 1st black president and a racist cracka. ;D
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Lester Holt spins debate for Hillary six huge ways, plays 'Gotcha' with Trump
By Dan Gainor Published September 27, 2016 FoxNews.com
Journalists got their wish. Presidential debate moderator Lester Holt hoisted Hillary Clinton’s campaign high in the air like Atlas. Holt repeatedly called out Trump, as both the Clinton campaign and the liberal media had begged him to do.
Holt reminded viewers he’s liberal – from pushing the birther issue to harassing Trump about his tax returns to a wildly biased question about Clinton as “the first woman nominated by a party” not having “the look.” Clinton skated by with a 15-second response on her emails while Trump was asked repeated follow-up questions while Hillary was not. There was no “deplorables” question and Holt promoted the birther meme without noting its origin in the Clinton camp.
Clinton discussed fact-checking three times, even imploring her media friends: “Well, I hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard.” Holt sure was. He dragged the debate to the left in six major ways:
1. Jobs: Holt pressed Trump with two questions on how he was going to add jobs even though the first answer discussed renegotiating trade deals.
2. Taxes: He portrayed the tax plans from the left – Clinton wanting to tax the rich and Trump “calling for tax cuts for the wealthy,” forcing Trump to correct him.
3. Tax Returns: Trump got hit hard with tax return questions for “business conflicts” while Hillary got a slide on emails, her hidden speeches and Clinton Foundation business conflicts.
4. Birthers: Holt asked a “birther” question that lasted longer than Clinton’s email answer. He then added three separate follow-ups to jam up Trump.
5. Iraq: He hammered Trump for supporting the Iraq War, downplaying how Hillary had voted to do the same.
6. Hillary’s Gaffe: When asked about biased policing, Clinton said, “I think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police.” Holt ignored it, rather than challenge the idea everyone is bigoted.
The New York Times said Holt “Opted for Restraint,” and called him a “minimalist moderator.” The paper liked some of Holt’s approach, given the “news media tempest over how aggressively a moderator should fact check candidates.” Still, the Times called it “a split decision” for Holt.
USA Today summed it up with the magic words: “Holt fact-checked Trump.” Right-leaning HeatStreet called Holt the “third debater.” Media Research Center President L. Brent Bozell III (Hint: My boss), said, “Holt failed in his role as a moderator. Period.”
The news media have been shouting “fact check” in desperate cries for relevance. More than a dozen outlets fact-checked the debate as a result. CNN "Reliable Sources" host Brian Stelter, also formerly of the Times, focused on the fact-check strategy to target Trump during his Sunday show. “Does a unique candidate like Donald Trump require a different kind of moderating?” he asked a guest before being told, “No, no absolutely not,” by long-time debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Bloomberg TV, owned by left-wing media baron Michael Bloomberg, ran on-screen fact checks for its tiny audience. The Times “assembled a team of 18 fact-checkers,” generating a 2,400-word fact-check. The paper even had a correspondent “watching for gender moments.”
The paper pushed hard for fact-checking while it pushed hard for Clinton. Its official endorsement dropped one day before the debate – as certain as death and taxes. It’s opinion page Twitter account oozed pro-Hillary headlines during the debate, such as: “What a fantastic moment, to see Donald Trump self-destruct.”
Left-wing Fusion was worse, calling out Trump for “MANTERRUPTING HILLARY CLINTON.” And The New Yorker complained Holt didn’t attack Trump enough: “CNN LAUNCHES MANHUNT AFTER LESTER HOLT VANISHES FROM DEBATE.”
Journalists have demanded their industry give up neutrality throughout the campaign. It’s a laughable conceit for anyone who recalls Candy Crowley’s 2012 bias or the 2016 CNBC GOP primary debate. Univision anchor Jorge Ramos turned from journalist to crusader with barely any professional criticism. Reporters might as well wear blue jerseys with “I’m With Her” on the back.
Back in August, Times media columnist Jim Rutenberg argued the paper had to sacrifice its alleged neutrality. If you think “Donald J. Trump is a demagogue playing to the nation’s worst racist and nationalistic tendencies,” then “you have to throw out the textbook American journalism,” he wrote.
By Monday, that had escalated into an industry-wide demand for debate moderators to attack Trump misstatements. As Rutenberg explained, that would “require the debate moderators to interject with the truth.”
Journalists have skewered anyone soft on Trump. NBC' the "Today" show’s Matt Lauer faced a “Storm of Criticism Over Clinton-Trump Forum” because he didn’t play the fact-check game. Even "Tonight Show" host Jimmy Fallon was bashed for mussing Trump’s hair instead of smacking him upside the head.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/27/lester-holt-spins-debate-for-hillary-6-huge-ways-plays-gotcha-with-trump.html
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its weird how we vote for a person based on the party they are in. Why not just vote for the person based on the person. There are probably independents out there substantially better than the 2 main candidates. Politics makes no sense
100 percent correct.
So many better options in the US. Yet, this is where we are.
It's a mess.
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Trump is a vibrant man, great on television and confident with momentum on his side. BUT his answers are usually brief vague promises of greatness. He doesn't understand policy, his military proposals are dangerous and illegal, and his tariff ideas would crush many American businesses and consumers. Worse, he doesn't know what he doesn't know - and he's unwilling to admit that.
Last night, he had some of that SW FL sinus infection action going on. He was in my city exactly 1 week ago and it makes total sense. Lots of sniffles. Probably can't take sudafed with the heart meds he's on.
His vague, "on the fly" answers were weak. Failure to prepare meant he was so busy thinking of answers that he wasn't able to come up with attacks. It was all defense. I hate to think he would just 'wing it' as President, but I think he would, after seeing his complete lack of preparation for a job interview with a billion people watching.