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WARNING: Long and boring. Do not read unless you are WES or Mr MB or need something to fall asleep.
Once again I'm no expert within the supplement field, so maybe some of you old time GetBiggers can pitch in and make this a supplemental historical moment, so that some of these younger GetBiggers can get e-du-ma-ka-ted or simply a reason to rant and rave.
Hoffman and Weider and Gypsy Boots and Rheo H. Blair and Mallard Williamson and Dr. Scott Connelly who came on the scene much later (so I'm sure all worthy GetBiggers can name his product line)
They all come to mind as the supplement pioneers and semi pioneers at present.
There may have been more .... but I never did meet the others that I can recall, but I did have the opportunity to meet or be associated with each of the above at one time or another.
And each were somewhat and/or very successful even though their product/products were initially only of interest to a very small handful of people ... like maybe WES and possibly even MR. MB and maybe two or three others on this board.
Wheat Germ Oil was big back then as well as Braggs's Apple Cider Vinegar. But almost no one was aware of the nutritional value of bee pollen and honey except for some heavy lifters or die-hard hippies.
The 'worsted' supplement of all was the Liver Protein powder (Hoffman's?) which tasted like 6 week old sox after a 100 mile trek in a canopied jungle. (Trust me. I do know jungles well!)
But the most unique supplement was Gypsy Boots' Protein Wafers packaged somewhat similar to Life Savers. You'd put them in your pocket and have one or two egvery hour, but they tasted like alfalfa and made you fart like a race horse.
I was a Weider supplement fan and while overseas in some high canopied jungle I was losing lots of bodywt until I got back to camp and ordered Weider's liquid gain weight stuff that had the strong taste of Geritol.
And after bottle or two I continued to lose a lot of weight in that leach infested jungle and never ordered it again.
And then, a few years later when I became somewhat civilized once again..... I helped a friend at MLO which I'm sure 99% of you GetBiggers never heard of before .... nor the name of the founder and business owner. (Hint .... His name is posted above.)
All very boring shit until we met Mike Dayton who used to hang himself by the neck until alive.
And the story continues down through the years until the present time. I think I've met all the important ones in this supplement business .... the same guys whom you all seem to despise so much because the stuff they sell that make them rich and open targets for GetBiggers and others with and outside of this bodybuilding game.
Each of them took the risk of offering a somewhat questionable (Yea! Even back then.) in quart sized, round, cardboard containers with a tin cap that kept the contents fresh.
But once I tried most of them, I once again returned to cottage cheese and yogurt and bee pollen which only came in round glass containers back then.
Things supplement business has definitely changed but the skepticisn and mistrust and a bit of hatred still remain the same as it was many years ago.
GetBiggers are great at ensuring that old traditions never.
They bring the feelings of those good old days back to life.
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Great post and your stories are always welcomed here but why would bodybuilders care about Apple Cider Vinegar?
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POLY, The age-old belief among age-old bodybuilders is that Apple Cider Vinegar helps burn body fat.
Did you ever see a FAT apple?
According to some not too deep thinkers ... that was the original 'thunk' about apple cider vinegar.
Just make sure it doesn't touch your teeth while going down. It will scrub the enamel away over time.
This above is old age bodybuilding 'thinks'!
Thinking was somewhat different way back then.
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Great post and your stories are always welcomed here but why would bodybuilders care about Apple Cider Vinegar?
Helps curb appetite
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::) It's a diuretic. Why do I even post here?
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::) It's a diuretic. Why do I even post here?
Whoa look out fellas looks like we must have a ripped to the bone muscleman here ::)
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Good stuff Bill.....the Glandular/Beef protein was the worst shit ever.
I could never get it down but I kept buying it! LOL ;D
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Whoa look out fellas looks like we must have a ripped to the bone muscleman here ::)
;D Would love to argue but have several magazine photographers at the door who just won't take no for an answer.
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They used to put out pills called Kelp,Lecithin,B6,and Apple Cider vinegar.
We swore by it`s placebo effect! LOL ;D
ACV contains Betain, an acid the helps to digest food so we figured on it keeping our waists small.
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Weider = the ultimate schmoe
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Weider = the ultimate schmoe
Snakeoil 101 !!
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Good stuff Bill.....the Glandular/Beef protein was the worst shit ever.
I could never get it down but I kept buying it! LOL ;D
Agreed. I was taking that back in the day along with Smilax.
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I cut my teeth on hot stuff
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Great read. The internet might just be a playground for porn and anonymity, but it's also the best resource for finding snake oil.
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;D Would love to argue but have several magazine photographers at the door who just won't take no for an answer.
8) :)
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Bee Pollen was the start of vince goodrum empire he used to sell it out of his garage and now calibar solutions international corporation is a multibillion dollar company with investment and ownership in different ventures.
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I used to use large cans of Mallard's MLO Chocolate protein. Was very cheap and not too bad...
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(http://www.smarthealthshop.com/image/cache/data/product/main/yhst-58749677523116_2243_63853393-500x500.jpg)
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Ultimate Orange is the greatest supp of all time. It was cocaine mixed with Speed, mixed with Caffeine mixed with adderal and tasted orangy. I had the best workouts of my life on that shit.
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WARNING: Long and boring. Do not read unless you are WES or Mr MB or need something to fall asleep.
Once again I'm no expert within the supplement field, so maybe some of you old time GetBiggers can pitch in and make this a supplemental historical moment, so that some of these younger GetBiggers can get e-du-ma-ka-ted or simply a reason to rant and rave.
Hoffman and Weider and Gypsy Boots and Rheo H. Blair and Mallard Williamson and Dr. Scott Connelly who came on the scene much later (so I'm sure all worthy GetBiggers can name his product line)
They all come to mind as the supplement pioneers and semi pioneers at present.
There may have been more .... but I never did meet the others that I can recall, but I did have the opportunity to meet or be associated with each of the above at one time or another.
And each were somewhat and/or very successful even though their product/products were initially only of interest to a very small handful of people ... like maybe WES and possibly even MR. MB and maybe two or three others on this board.
Wheat Germ Oil was big back then as well as Braggs's Apple Cider Vinegar. But almost no one was aware of the nutritional value of bee pollen and honey except for some heavy lifters or die-hard hippies.
The 'worsted' supplement of all was the Liver Protein powder (Hoffman's?) which tasted like 6 week old sox after a 100 mile trek in a canopied jungle. (Trust me. I do know jungles well!)
But the most unique supplement was Gypsy Boots' Protein Wafers packaged somewhat similar to Life Savers. You'd put them in your pocket and have one or two egvery hour, but they tasted like alfalfa and made you fart like a race horse.
I was a Weider supplement fan and while overseas in some high canopied jungle I was losing lots of bodywt until I got back to camp and ordered Weider's liquid gain weight stuff that had the strong taste of Geritol.
And after bottle or two I continued to lose a lot of weight in that leach infested jungle and never ordered it again.
And then, a few years later when I became somewhat civilized once again..... I helped a friend at MLO which I'm sure 99% of you GetBiggers never heard of before .... nor the name of the founder and business owner. (Hint .... His name is posted above.)
All very boring shit until we met Mike Dayton who used to hang himself by the neck until alive.
And the story continues down through the years until the present time. I think I've met all the important ones in this supplement business .... the same guys whom you all seem to despise so much because the stuff they sell that make them rich and open targets for GetBiggers and others with and outside of this bodybuilding game.
Each of them took the risk of offering a somewhat questionable (Yea! Even back then.) in quart sized, round, cardboard containers with a tin cap that kept the contents fresh.
But once I tried most of them, I once again returned to cottage cheese and yogurt and bee pollen which only came in round glass containers back then.
Things supplement business has definitely changed but the skepticisn and mistrust and a bit of hatred still remain the same as it was many years ago.
GetBiggers are great at ensuring that old traditions never.
They bring the feelings of those good old days back to life.
Stunt how about dessicated liver tabs. I used to take 4 or 5 of those at a time, would make me gag every time.
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POWER, We were just taking about Mallard ad MLO yesterday when I was trying to contact Eddy C. to enquire if he ever owned his own nightclub south of San Francisco. I managed to contact Eddie's best long time friend who assured me that Eddie never did own his own night club .... but he and Eddie did work the front door at a place called Mlagoo's in the town south of San Francisco which I had mentioned earlier on this Board.
While conversing we talked about the days when he (Eddie's lifelong friend) worked for Mallard putting the MLO powder in the 'cans',but he did not recall our discussion about purchasing a 45 fallon drum of Vitamin C and reselling them in little bottles. And he has a memory like an elephant (sometimes).
Just mentioning this because it was funny to see Mallard's name brought up immediately after that telephone conversation.
Which came first ..... MLO or Muscle On? Same product under two different names I believe owned by the same individual.
Does anybody on this Board recall MIKE DAYTON? Or how about the guy who did resistance exercises while sitting in a tub of 'heavy' mud?
I believe that one made the front cover of one of the magazines.
I assume that none of you GetBiggers met or can even recall Gypsy Boots who could toss a football as far as the eye can see (on a foggy day, of course).
How bout Wynn Paris? Jack LaLanne's main man who helped set up the LaLanne studios all over California. He was also the first to set up a protein MLM organization which a few big names became a part of.
During those MLM meetings Wynn would hand out hundred dollar bills for just about anything. That got everyone's attention and got that MLM company off the ground .... for a couple of months at least.
How about PAX Beale?
So many great and colorful individuals back then and they will never be copied in this day and age. The world and everyone within it have just changed too damn much.
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RONNIE, Yep, I do remember those tablets. I think that the originals were a Hoffman product.
Correct or no?
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WARNING: Long and boring. Do not read unless you are WES or Mr MB or need something to fall asleep.
All very boring shit until we met Mike Dayton who used to hang himself by the neck until alive.
Oh c'mon! I can't be the only one who needs to know what you mean by this?! Please stunt, I'm not Googling that phrase LOL
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Oh c'mon! I can't be the only one who needs to know what you mean by this?! Please stunt, I'm not Googling that phrase LOL
https://www.google.com/#q=hang+self+by+neck+until+alive
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Thank you, Medford! I have not read that 'link' you provided yet but will do so after posting the following.
TAFFIN ..... TOMMY WISHBONE knew Mike Dayton much more than I ever did and I just re-discovered that TW posted some interesting info on Mike and another tuff individual on this board back in 2006.
Maybe TOMMY will post some more detailed Mike Dayton info here if is sti a contributing GetBig member.
But here is a photo of Mike doing his hanging-by-the-neck stunt.
A somewhat mutual friend once told me that Mike was planning to do that stunt while hanging from the Golden Gate Bridge ... but that could have been a publicity statement or a rumor or it's possible that he actually did it.
Since he first performed this stunt ... Mike only commits major crimes in states that have the hanging by the neck death penalty. (This is an ill attempt to be FUNNY ... But it ain't.)
WARNING : DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!
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Since we're discussing very strange 'stuff' that most GetBiggers have never heard before .... Let me continue with two that even caused me to wonder ... "Wha da fook!"
A long while back there was a guy in his 20's who trained 6 days a week. On the 7th day he went to church!
He only trained his stomach. Trained it for at least 90 minutes each those 6 days each week.
The weird thing was that he trained if to get it exceedingly large.
Within a good number of months he looked like he was 8 month pregnant and as proud as any new dad could be and he'd spend a few minutes after every workout posing his protruding stomach in the YMCA gym mirror while everyone in the place did their best to avoid looking at him.
And he also had 4 inch fingernails which he was very proud of.
Second guy was an avid Olympic lifter who ate nothing other than honey,bee pollen, tuna fish and peanut butter. He lived in a 400 square foot room in an apartment that was condemned and abandoned.
He loved cats and weird girlfriends so there was only one bed in the place but carpeted 2x4's criss crossing every square foot of that room.
That was for the cats to run around on.
And he was too kind-hearted to kill the cockroaches.
But, DAMN! He was one hell of a strong olympic and power lifter and had all the trophies to prove it .... But they were in the backyard in a garbage can that would remain there until the place was demolished and the garbage carted off 2 years later.
His whole life was honey, bee pollen, peanut butter, and tuna. Plus those damn cats and his numerous girlfriends (they must have also loved cats).
But anyone having a problem within the lifting game would come to him seeking training advice which always seemed to work far better than anyone ever expected.
It was mostly simple advice that won national and international lifters ... major trophies. "Move your feet wider apart! Bend the knees! Turn this way! Turn that way!"
Yo be more specific ....He saw ways to make improvements !
He was the lifting guru of his age .... so to speak. And believe it or not but a few of you GetBiggers knew him.
Off track here but .... what's done is done!
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Since we're discussing very strange 'stuff' that most GetBiggers have never heard before .... Let me continue with two that even caused me to wonder ... "Wha da fook!"
A long while back there was a guy in his 20's who trained 6 days a week. On the 7th day he went to church!
He only trained his stomach. Trained it for at least 90 minutes each those 6 days each week.
The weird thing was that he trained if to get it exceedingly large.
Within a good number of months he looked like he was 8 month pregnant and as proud as any new dad could be and he'd spend a few minutes after every workout posing his protruding stomach in the YMCA gym mirror while everyone in the place did their best to avoid looking at him.
And he also had 4 inch fingernails which he was very proud of.
Second guy was an avid Olympic lifter who ate nothing other than honey,bee pollen, tuna fish and peanut butter. He lived in a 400 square foot room in an apartment that was condemned and abandoned.
He loved cats and weird girlfriends so there was only one bed in the place but carpeted 2x4's criss crossing every square foot of that room.
That was for the cats to run around on.
And he was too kind-hearted to kill the cockroaches.
But, DAMN! He was one hell of a strong olympic and power lifter and had all the trophies to prove it .... But they were in the backyard in a garbage can that would remain there until the place was demolished and the garbage carted off 2 years later.
His whole life was honey, bee pollen, peanut butter, and tuna. Plus those damn cats and his numerous girlfriends (they must have also loved cats).
But anyone having a problem within the lifting game would come to him seeking training advice which always seemed to work far better than anyone ever expected.
It was mostly simple advice that won national and international lifters ... major trophies. "Move your feet wider apart! Bend the knees! Turn this way! Turn that way!"
Yo be more specific ....He saw ways to make improvements !
He was the lifting guru of his age .... so to speak. And believe it or not but a few of you GetBiggers knew him.
Off track here but .... what's done is done!
WOW SOME CHARACTERS,,,KEEP IT COMING.
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Since we're discussing very strange 'stuff' that most GetBiggers have never heard before .... Let me continue with two that even caused me to wonder ... "Wha da fook!"
A long while back there was a guy in his 20's who trained 6 days a week. On the 7th day he went to church!
He only trained his stomach. Trained it for at least 90 minutes each those 6 days each week.
The weird thing was that he trained if to get it exceedingly large.
Within a good number of months he looked like he was 8 month pregnant and as proud as any new dad could be and he'd spend a few minutes after every workout posing his protruding stomach in the YMCA gym mirror while everyone in the place did their best to avoid looking at him.
And he also had 4 inch fingernails which he was very proud of.
Second guy was an avid Olympic lifter who ate nothing other than honey,bee pollen, tuna fish and peanut butter. He lived in a 400 square foot room in an apartment that was condemned and abandoned.
He loved cats and weird girlfriends so there was only one bed in the place but carpeted 2x4's criss crossing every square foot of that room.
That was for the cats to run around on.
And he was too kind-hearted to kill the cockroaches.
But, DAMN! He was one hell of a strong olympic and power lifter and had all the trophies to prove it .... But they were in the backyard in a garbage can that would remain there until the place was demolished and the garbage carted off 2 years later.
His whole life was honey, bee pollen, peanut butter, and tuna. Plus those damn cats and his numerous girlfriends (they must have also loved cats).
But anyone having a problem within the lifting game would come to him seeking training advice which always seemed to work far better than anyone ever expected.
It was mostly simple advice that won national and international lifters ... major trophies. "Move your feet wider apart! Bend the knees! Turn this way! Turn that way!"
Yo be more specific ....He saw ways to make improvements !
He was the lifting guru of his age .... so to speak. And believe it or not but a few of you GetBiggers knew him.
Off track here but .... what's done is done!
That's fucking brilliant! Come on, give us his name, Stunt.
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Since we're discussing very strange 'stuff' that most GetBiggers have never heard before .... Let me continue with two that even caused me to wonder ... "Wha da fook!"
A long while back there was a guy in his 20's who trained 6 days a week. On the 7th day he went to church!
He only trained his stomach. Trained it for at least 90 minutes each those 6 days each week.
The weird thing was that he trained if to get it exceedingly large.
Within a good number of months he looked like he was 8 month pregnant and as proud as any new dad could be and he'd spend a few minutes after every workout posing his protruding stomach in the YMCA gym mirror while everyone in the place did their best to avoid looking at him.
And he also had 4 inch fingernails which he was very proud of.
Second guy was an avid Olympic lifter who ate nothing other than honey,bee pollen, tuna fish and peanut butter. He lived in a 400 square foot room in an apartment that was condemned and abandoned.
He loved cats and weird girlfriends so there was only one bed in the place but carpeted 2x4's criss crossing every square foot of that room.
That was for the cats to run around on.
And he was too kind-hearted to kill the cockroaches.
But, DAMN! He was one hell of a strong olympic and power lifter and had all the trophies to prove it .... But they were in the backyard in a garbage can that would remain there until the place was demolished and the garbage carted off 2 years later.
His whole life was honey, bee pollen, peanut butter, and tuna. Plus those damn cats and his numerous girlfriends (they must have also loved cats).
But anyone having a problem within the lifting game would come to him seeking training advice which always seemed to work far better than anyone ever expected.
It was mostly simple advice that won national and international lifters ... major trophies. "Move your feet wider apart! Bend the knees! Turn this way! Turn that way!"
Yo be more specific ....He saw ways to make improvements !
He was the lifting guru of his age .... so to speak. And believe it or not but a few of you GetBiggers knew him.
Off track here but .... what's done is done!
was that the Bill "Peanuts" West guy?
ps, I remember reading about the exploits of Mike Dayton
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These stories are the best! Reminds me of the onlyme thread. Keep them coming!!
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Hey stunt, how about some giving some timelines to give us some perspective?
I have no idea what years you are talking about.
More early supplement stuff!
What would be considered the first OTC supplement specifically for muscle building?
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just look in some old muscle mag and youll see what supplements were around
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Mike could also break a pair of regulation handcuffs!!
I took 30 dessicaTED LIVER PILLS DAILY AS PRESCRIBED BY VINCE GIRONDA TO NO AVAIL.
SORRY
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Mike could also break a pair of regulation handcuffs!!
I took 30 dessicaRTED LIVER PILLS DAILY AS PRESCRIBED BY vINCE gIRONDA TO NO AVAIL.
SORRY
You forgot the hydrochloric acid tablets.
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Hey stunt, how about some giving some timelines to give us some perspective?
I have no idea what years you are talking about.
More early supplement stuff!
What would be considered the first OTC supplement specifically for muscle building?
Probably Energol by Hoffman which was wheat germ oil.
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You forgot the hydrochloric acid tablets.
Took thos also along with papaya tabs to no avail also. :(
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TAPE, This all occurred way before your time when the world was still a bit saner than it is today ... and you would not know him by his name even honestly because he only worked with a small group of very dedicated lifting stuff "insiders".
I can tell you that Gary Leonard says he won the Mr. A. title due to his advice and recommendations and Lee Haney says that he helped him win the one major contest that he did win due to a five minute discussion with him.
And that's just two out of many, many more.
OK, here's another very interesting bodybuilding related individual.
He held the title "DR." before his name, but he wan't!
He was maybe about 5'4" and 105 pounds (give or take a dozen or so).
And he resided in a very old house in one of the valley communities of Hawaii. A very quiet old guy who always whispered during intelligent conversations.
A good friend of mine (once a Pro in the WFL) was being treated by a doctor associated with the WFL for a painful shoulder injury but nothing seemed to work.
So one Saturday morning I drove him up that beautiful Hawaii valley and introduced him to the 'doc'.
The pro told him that he was suffering savere pain and no one was able to fix it.
So the 'doc' said, "OK, lay on that table and I'll take a look but it might be painful!" (A standard massage table in the living room.)
Pro said, "OK, I can take the pain if you can fix it!'
SO the 'doc' jumped on the side of the table and it took less than a second to 'dis-joint' him. (I don't know the medical term for getting dis-jointed, but the pro let out a humongous yell and his arm fell limp off the edge of that table.)
But the 'doc', who most likely had done this many times in the past, proceeded to work his fingers into the area when the dis-location had occurred.
And then he said. "OK, get ready to yell again!" and within a split second and a very loud yell, he replaced the dis-jointed bone into the correct place where it should have been.
"OK, you can get up now."
SO the pro sat up and said, "WOW! That really hurt but it doesn't feel as painful now! WOW! Thanks, Doc!"
"You had an obstruction which caused the blood to flow in but not flow out. That was causing your pain. But it's OK now!" (Not the exact words but close enough.)
So the pro returned and played that Sunday, still amazed that this litte Oriental 'doc' did something that school trained specialists could not.
To the best of my recollection the pro took many athletes up to that little house in that beautiful valley and everyone came out feeling better or , as in the pro's case, completely cured.
A true story here, which the 'pro' may be reading someday when his team is not down there on the field.
Call me .......
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I have to respect Wes and Stunt - true original Iron Men - for example, not many people realise that aeons ago back in ancient Sumeria, it was actually these two pushing directly behind young Conan on the Wheel of Pain...
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-06-2015/TYYanJ.gif)
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I have to respect Wes and Stunt - true original Iron Men - for example, not many people realise that aeons ago back in ancient Sumeria, it was actually these two pushing directly behind young Conan on the Wheel of Pain...
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-06-2015/TYYanJ.gif)
Conan was a child to me and stunt! LOL
I`m fromSpringfield Mass. and on every Saturday morning we`d drive to Hartford Conn. to train at this dungeon like gym.............anyway the owner was an old fuck who used to walk around shouting encouragemment and all of a sudden if A guy had 5 plates on the t-Bar he`d just grab it and do reps withouit even warming up.
Also saw him squat 315 on a walk through and do 80 pound flyes cold.
What a character.
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we also saw/met 2 animals at that gym which turned us onto a supp called Staminex............vile shit, but we gagged it down in the hopes that we would look like them. LOL ;D
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TAFFUN, Yep that's me!
You owe me twenty bucks!
But here's one more before I sign off for the evening.
This happened shortly after I was kicked out of Sumeria thanks to Wes' fuck-up.
SO it was a long time ago and I may forget the details so ..... I'll make it short and just relate the basics.
I think it was Marjo and Hanu who introduced me to a guy who could remove lug-nut from cars with his bare hands.
A lug nut is a fastener, specifically a nut, used to secure a wheel on a vehicle.
But a good friend of his butted in and said, "I seen him take them nuts off of tractors.!"
And eventually I ran into him at some function that I've forgotten all about and asked him if he could really do that.
He said, "Yes! Do you have a nickel?"
So I gave him my last nickel and he proceeded to tear it in half for me but I stopped him half-way through and got my nickel back explaining that a whole nickel torn halfway would not be as easy to lose as the two half nickels.
Or something like that.
I seriously doubted that anyone could do that with his bare hands until I saw him do it with my very own nickel.
But we never did do the lug-nut test as it was a very formal occasion if that's at all possible among a group of heavy lifters.
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TAFFUN, Yep that's me!
You owe me twenty bucks!
But here's one more before I sign off for the evening.
This happened shortly after I was kicked out of Sumeria thanks to Wes' fuck-up.
SO it was a long time ago and I may forget the details so ..... I'll make it short and just relate the basics.
I think it was Marjo and Hanu who introduced me to a guy who could remove lug-nut from cars with his bare hands.
A lug nut is a fastener, specifically a nut, used to secure a wheel on a vehicle.
But a good friend of his butted in and said, "I seen him take them nuts off of tractors.!"
And eventually I ran into him at some function that I've forgotten all about and asked him if he could really do that.
He said, "Yes! Do you have a nickel?"
So I gave him my last nickel and he proceeded to tear it in half for me but I stopped him half-way through and got my nickel back explaining that a whole nickel torn halfway would not be as easy to lose as the two half nickels.
Or something like that.
I seriously doubted that anyone could do that with his bare hands until I saw him do it with my very own nickel.
But we never did do the lug-nut test as it was a very formal occasion if that's at all possible among a group of heavy lifters.
Sorry `bout the fuck up Stunt!! LOL ;D
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WES, Some of those supps you mentioned .... I've never heard of.
I think that back then the various types and brands of supps were somewhat regional.
MLO was popular in the San Fran Bay Area region.
Rheo H.Blair was popular in the LA area of Southern Cal.
And I believe that Weider and Hoffman were the only ones who branched out nationally due to their publications.
Physical fitness wise, Northern California was at least 10 years behind the LA/Southern California area.
And I have no idea how it was within the other states,
But back then we truly thought that the best bodybuilders resided in Southern Cal and Florida . And the New Your guys had a look that placed them a distant third at least.
Other than those three regions, there seemed to be no mention of the word 'bodybuilder' anyplace else. (Correct me if I am mistaken.)
And then a guy name Strydom appeared in LA from South Africa (Capetown?) via Texas and another guy appeared from Austria and Serge Nubret showed up from where ever he was from (Paris?) and the world of bodybuilding changed entirely.
And on many occasions ... Not for the better!
But that's the subject for another story.
Good seeing you here, Wes!
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I`m sure you`re right Bill and it`s great interacting with you buddy! ;)
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Ultimate Orange is the greatest supp of all time. It was cocaine mixed with Speed, mixed with Caffeine mixed with adderal and tasted orangy. I had the best workouts of my life on that shit.
X2
It truly was a legal form of speed. :D
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Hott Stuff was big.
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I went through many a can of MLO during my teen years. Hoffman products were so nasty that I would drink it over the bathroom sink with a loaded toothbrush at the ready. I would gulp that foul concoction as fast as I could and then immediately brush my teeth then gargle with Listerine, which wasn't exactly a taste treat either.
I also went through the torture of downing those liver tabs one by one with a glass of water until I was bloated.
I remember when I use to work at a Vitamin Shop years later when a customer would ask me if this or that product "taste good". A feeling of mild contempt would wash over me and then I would smile and say I'm the wrong guy to ask. Compared to what I took as a teen everything is like candy to me.
A kid, whose parents bought all his supps for him (hundreds of dollars a month), once returned some watermelon flavored BCAA saying it had an "after taste". I wanted to punch him in the face. All BCAAs are like Koolaide and you need maybe three ounces of water to mix so you could down it in one gulp -- yet still that was too much.
I hate getting old but I sure as hell am glad that I grew up in my generation rather than today's.
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PELLIUS, Where you a Hawaii resident at one time? I seem to recall seeing a photo of you with a well known beach in the background.
I could be mistaken though.
POKE is a popular staple in Hawaii and is commonly used to get cut up for bodybuilding contests. One individual I knew would eat almost nothing but Poke for 12 weeks.
But he was shredded!
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PELLIUS, Where you a Hawaii resident at one time? I seem to recall seeing a photo of you with a well known beach in the background.
I could be mistaken though.
POKE is a popular staple in Hawaii and is commonly used to get cut up for bodybuilding contests. One individual I knew would eat almost nothing but Poke for 12 weeks.
But he was shredded!
Sigh... I'm such a huge fan of yours and really want to meet you some day but you never seem to remember me.
I was born and raised in Hawaii. I went to high school with John Kaiser who I was shocked that you also knew. John had a truck (rare in those days from a high schooler to have his own wheels) and took me and a couple of others to see Pumping Iron for the first time. We all went back to his house where he had an awesome home gym and started working out and doing poses in the mirror. I move to Cali at 19 and live there for twenty years. That's where I met "OnlyMe/NoWorries" when he bounced at Tequila Willies.
I also got to train once while still in high school at the original, and very unknown, Nautilus Gym that was housed in a little shack at a high school or college. In fact, you were the one that reminded and corrected me of that when I said that I trained at the Nautilus Gym above that bank that was owned by Hank Grudman (started that Iron Man competition in Hawaii). It was Hank that turned me on to A. Jones when I was working as a security guard in the building that he lived in (The Esplanade). He gave me a book written by Jones that changed my whole perspective on training which I still follow to this day. That's when Mentzer started to make a splash and I would read all of his articles in the mags.
I was shocked at how many people we mutually knew during those times like Mits, Ernie Santiago, Tommy Kono...
Anyway, I have been back in Hawaii since 2006 and still buy Poke from Foodland several times a week. I get off work late and Foodland has a lot of Poke ready to expire at 50% off. I know it's sacrilege but I pan fry the Poke with rice when I get home. I'm scared to death to eat any raw fish unless it's right off the boat. I got food poisoning once from raw fish and it was the worse thing ever.
Anyway, you are a pure treasure on this slowly declining board and one the few that keep me here. The non-training "haterz" that will never show their face but spend most of their waking lives here just bringing down this board and throwing spit balls at others while comfortably hiding behind the keyboard is really sapping the life out of this board.
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Hott Stuff was big.
I loved it.
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My dad was a bodybuilder from the 80s on up till about 04, now he's in Ronnie-esque condition (600lb squats for 2 reps) but anyways. One day I was going through a family photo album and found pictures of Shawn Ray, Gary Strydom, Jim Quinn, Arnold, and Mike Christian I think. I've still got the "Up Close and Personal With the Mega Mass Champions" VHS that came with the dogfood-bag of Weider Mega Mass. I'll be posting it as soon as I can get it transferred to computer. He also bought the 1992 WBF pay-per-view and recorded it on tape. We've got all kinds of books and magazines like BEEF IT, Bodybuilding: A Scientific Approach, MASS, and of course this
(http://www.the-savoisien.com/blog/public/img2/Schwarzenegger_Arnold_Encyclopedia_of_modern_bodybuilding.jpg)
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Mike Dayton's facebook https://www.facebook.com/Mike-Dayton-Strongman-132239853464310/?fref=ts
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BIX, Thanks for that Dayton link!
GetBiggers, This is another long post so heed that warning before jumping into it. It is mainly written to PELLIUS and some other GetBiggers who enjoy reading this old time stuff.
For the rest of you ...... Sorry about that!
Pellius, Thanks for the kick to my memory banks and now I do recall outr earlier 'conversation' about a good number of Kamainas whom I knew quite well .... especially Ernie Santiago (and actually his entire family), plus John and Paula (Suzuki) whom I have not seen in a very long time.
The very first and original Nautilus gym was owned by Dan Camp and was located in a small space on Kalakaua that was once the home of Dean's Gym where a very young "The Rock" used to run around while his dad lifted heavy things.
Dean's was a very local heavy duty lifting gym where most of the pro wrestlers trained and I was one of the very few Haoles who was allowed to train there simply because I had a 315 lb bench press and eventually
became good friends with the principal players.
Dan Camp set up his new Nautilus equipment there which was then vacant space for a very short time period with the help of my very good friend Steve Dussia who was the most active individual within all aspects of the weight and bodybuilding world most likely.
Steve competed in Bodybuilding events at the Nuuanu YMCA, and lited in Olympic lifting events at the Nuuanu YMCA, and participated in Powertlifting events at the Nuuanu YMCA and did a lot of contest prep for a good number of local and national contenders.
Steve was one of the most respected individuals when it came to giving lifting and bodybuilding advice to anyone who wanted to perfect heir lifts or physique.
The Nuuanu Y .....That where I met ODDJOB,,, Harold Sakada,Timmy Kono, and Peter George and a good number of older-timers within the game.
When Dan Camp moved his nautilus equipmet in that small school-side building mauka of the U of H, Steve joined him and trained individuals under the Nautilus system.
Then Hank and Valerie opened the big Nautilus place upstairs in that big bank building on Kapiolani(?) and ran a successful business and established the Iron Man which began with about 8 entries that first year.
As far as I can recall Valerie retained the rights to the Iron Man after their divorce while Hank retained ownership of the Nautilus gym
Sad to say that Mits and Dot and Karen have passed away.
Tommy Kono passed away.
Timmy Leong passed away.
Bill Starr has passed way.
Greg Lefcort (spelling?) has passed away just recently. (NPC Promoter)
And you all know that my good friend, Curtis Leffler, left us a few years back.
And his good friend Lyn passed away a few years back.
All of the above is based on long term memory so don't shoot me if I am not precise with the above statements. And if Hank or Valerie are reading this .... I have to apologize for any errors. Ditto for Dan Camp.
Steve Dussia eventually became a close associate with Bill Starr (the UH strength coach) and helped him train the athletes at that small UH campus gym which expanded later on.
We all helped Bill while he was writing ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE.
Steve recently wrote a long tribute about Bill after his passing and it is posted someplace on the internet. I think I kept a copy on thicker computer thing I got.
Steve spent a lot of time training Allison Brundage (Kahuku Hospital nurse) and she did well within bodybuilding comps but I forget how she placed at one of the nationals held in Las Vegas way back when. Have you ever heard of her?
To make this somewhat related to the topic subject .... As far as I know,
Ernie Santiago was among the first of his kind to go on a pre-contest diet of nothing other than POKE and water.
POKE - the raw fish kind. What the hell! YOU DON'T COOK POKE!
HE won two national titles that year and was among the first of his time to have striated glutes.
More to say but time is of the essence.
OK, thanks, Pellius... Signing off.
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Paula, Tommy Kono, Dr Peter George , Timmy and Steve
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i take it you stopped talking about supplements as early as the 2nd page and now its just old men random ramblings?