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Was thumbing through some back issues of flex..
in the august 2004 issue
ernie comment on ronnies bench prowess and i quote
" Take Ronnie Coleman for example. ronnie is the strongest and biggest bodybuilder on the panet. he can bench 550lbs for 15 reps (witnessed with my own eyes)"
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Yeah, and Ernie also said he doesn't have synthol in his tris.
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Was thumbing through some back issues of flex..
in the august 2004 issue
ernie comment on ronnies bench prowess and i quote
" Take Ronnie Coleman for example. ronnie is the strongest and biggest bodybuilder on the panet. he can bench 550lbs for 15 reps (witnessed with my own eyes)"
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that's funny because when i met Ronnie at a show he said that the most he's ever benched is 500 for 8.
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Was thumbing through some back issues of flex..
in the august 2004 issue
ernie comment on ronnies bench prowess and i quote
" Take Ronnie Coleman for example. ronnie is the strongest and biggest bodybuilder on the panet. he can bench 550lbs for 15 reps (witnessed with my own eyes)"
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Dude, he was just talking out his ass. This is a common technique used by bodybuilders all over the world to help promote the sport.
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OK...
Don't be so quick to accuse E.T. of bullshitting. He may have never actually said that in the first place. It's gotten so bad, you can hardly believe anything you read in FLEX or some of the other mags anymore. It's looking more and more like the mags are either not checking their facts, or intentionally exaggerating things under the guise of "journalistic license" just to be sensational and sell a few more issues.
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that's funny because when i met Ronnie at a show he said that the most he's ever benched is 500 for 8.
Maybe you met him before he started with Bsn products Sarcasm?
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OK...
Don't be so quick to accuse E.T. of bullshitting. He may have never actually said that in the first place. It's gotten so bad, you can hardly believe anything you read in FLEX or some of the other mags anymore. It's looking more and more like the mags are either not checking their facts, or intentionally exaggerating things under the guise of "journalistic license" just to be sensational and sell a few more issues.
That is a good point. They may ghostwrite facts, knowing that because they do not involve libel, they are unlikely to face negative consequences. Maybe they even tell the bodybuilders this.
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That quote was taken from the ernie taylor column
flex august 2004
british edition
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Yeah, and Ernie also said he doesn't have synthol in his tris.
MT...do you always have to be such a Negative Nancy?
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MT...do you always have to be such a Negative Nancy?
Do you always have to make 50 accounts on here?
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Do you always have to make 50 accounts on here?
This is my only account here ???
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i was waiting for someone to post this as ive always wondered why ernie said that (unless it was a ghost writer). As strong as ronnie is, that would give him a 1rm of around 825 and hes nowhere close to that. Id say ronnies 1rm would be about 635-650 at his absolute strongest
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i was waiting for someone to post this as ive always wondered why ernie said that (unless it was a ghost writer). As strong as ronnie is, that would give him a 1rm of around 825 and hes nowhere close to that. Id say ronnies 1rm would be about 635-650 at his absolute strongest
Ronnie can't bench anywhere close to 635-650, if you saw Cost of Redemption he barely got 3 full reps and two with hands on the bar with 495, i'd say his true max is around 545-550 which is still awesome.
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Ronnie's got relatively long arms too, which makes those lifts all the more impressive.
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What grade did Ernie get in Math class?
15 reps with 550 lbs?
FFS... Anyone who believes that has no concept of being in a room with weights ever.
Then again, as Dan-O points out, it could be the FLEX squad making him look like the buffon.
YIP
Zack
PS
Not even James Henderson would be able to get 15 with 550 lbs.
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I could believe ronnie hitting 600
Question is if he was dead offseason pounding teh juice
How much could he get?
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I could believe ronnie hitting 600
Question is if he was dead offseason pounding teh juice
How much could he get?
600 would come down and drive him through the floor, he wouldn't even get it an inch off his chest, in COR he was 315 lbs. and offseason and he got a very, very hard 5 with 495.
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that's funny because when i met Ronnie at a show he said that the most he's ever benched is 500 for 8.
OMG! The 550lbs bench for 15 is not true?!?!?!? I can't sleep! :'(
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in his defence he had a bad shoulder and apparently he had a very minor chest or arm injury. Even with 5 reps thats a 600 1rm. Gene Rychalik did 700 for 10, but hes a waste of fukkin time thanx to his suit which takes him 45 minutes to get into
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If Ronnie could bench anything close to those numbers, he could show up at a powerlifting meet any given day in the offseason and break some records. Believing those kinds of numbers is like believing Bruce Lee was actually a badass.
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in his defence he had a bad shoulder and apparently he had a very minor chest or arm injury. Even with 5 reps thats a 600 1rm. Gene Rychalik did 700 for 10, but hes a waste of fukkin time thanx to his suit which takes him 45 minutes to get into
have you ever even trained? how the fuck does 3 full reps and two assisted equal a hundred pounds more for a max?
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600 would come down and drive him through the floor, he wouldn't even get it an inch off his chest, in COR he was 315 lbs. and offseason and he got a very, very hard 5 with 495.
Why are you trying to use logical reason? ;D
Getbig Ronnie Coleman Strength Law:Ronnie would be able to break the _____ world record "if he would only train for it"... (insert any strength related sport).
YIP
Zack
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maybe he meant like on a hammer strength machine with 5 and 25 on each side. it doesnt say barbell.
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have you ever even trained? how the f**k does 3 full reps and two assisted equal a hundred pounds more for a max?
because you fucking failed test tube experiment, to work out your 1RM by using 5 reps you add 18% onto the weight. What a fucking idiot you are, your dad must have slapped your mum when you were born - if you even know him
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I think Ernie was referring to 2 collective workouts. 8 one day and 7 reps the next workout.
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I think Ernie was referring to 2 collective workouts. 8 one day and 7 reps the next workout.
yeah, i think you might be right. who cares what he can bench in one lousy workout? let's hear his lifetime cumulative bench numbers.
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OK...
Don't be so quick to accuse E.T. of bullshitting. He may have never actually said that in the first place. It's gotten so bad, you can hardly believe anything you read in FLEX or some of the other mags anymore. It's looking more and more like the mags are either not checking their facts, or intentionally exaggerating things under the guise of "journalistic license" just to be sensational and sell a few more issues.
even the pictures are exaggerated
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Maybe Ronnie is just really strong ???
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If Ronnie could bench anything close to those numbers, he could show up at a powerlifting meet any given day in the offseason and break some records. Believing those kinds of numbers is like believing Bruce Lee was actually a badass.
Bruce Lee was a badass. He could thrust his fingers through full cans of coke (these were steel, not aluminum cans), he could send a 300 pound sandbag slapping against the ceiling with a single side-kick, he could strike from 3 feet away in .005 seconds and the list goes on...
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yeah, i think you might be right. who cares what he can bench in one lousy workout? let's hear his lifetime cumulative bench numbers.
I did 315 for 28 solid reps at the body weight of 212lbs...last January.
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Maybe Ronnie is just really strong ???
why the sad face? you want big ronnie to be weak?
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Bruce Lee was a badass. He could thrust his fingers through full cans of coke (these were steel, not aluminum cans), he could send a 300 pound sandbag slapping against the ceiling with a single side-kick, he could strike from 3 feet away in .005 seconds and the list goes on...
Bruce Lee is so light, I'd club him with my forearm and he'd end up in California. Plus, I saw the Karate Kid 6x.
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Bruce Lee was a badass. He could thrust his fingers through full cans of coke (these were steel, not aluminum cans), he could send a 300 pound sandbag slapping against the ceiling with a single side-kick, he could strike from 3 feet away in .005 seconds and the list goes on...
Sorry bro, but I don't get teh funny.
IMO, I think a lot of people will actully think you're serious too...
YIP
Zack
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Sorry bro, but I don't get teh funny.
IMO, I think a lot of people will actully think you're serious too...
YIP
Zack
I am being serious. I have studied Master Lee's life. He has taught me a great deal. These are documented facts, eye witness accounts.
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600 would come down and drive him through the floor, he wouldn't even get it an inch off his chest, in COR he was 315 lbs. and offseason and he got a very, very hard 5 with 495.
Ya that makes sense. People tend to forget when you are dealing with huge wights like 500 lbs on a bench even 25 more pounds is alot of ground to cover
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Ya that makes sense. People tend to forget when you are dealing with huge wights like 500 lbs on a bench even 25 more pounds is alot of ground to cover
Maybe for you ::)
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I am being serious. I have studied Master Lee's life. He has taught me a great deal. These are documented facts, eye witness accounts.
Ok. Let's break it down then... Moving three feet in .005 seconds is simply just not possible. A physics teacher (Howard!!) could tell you how fast that really would be.
Same thing with the 300 lbs sandbag. Bruce Lee was never able to generate that kind of force.
The only feat which may be doable, is the can trick.
Remember that anything that Bruce Lee was able to do, can be done by someone today.
YIP
Zack
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I did 315 for 28 solid reps at the body weight of 212lbs...last January.
I just crunched some numbers and it appears I benched 11,980 lbs. last night. True story.
Of course it was spread over 7 sets including 2 warmup and 2 drop sets.
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Jim Williams could "only" do around 10 reps with 530 lb, and he benched near 700.
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Ok. Let's break it down then... Moving three feet in .005 seconds is simply just not possible. A physics teacher (Howard!!) could tell you how fast that really would be.
Same thing with the 300 lbs sandbag. Bruce Lee was never able to generate that kind of force.
The only feat which may be doable, is the can trick.
Remember that anything that Bruce Lee was able to do, can be done by someone today.
YIP
Zack
It is not possible for most people because their minds cannot imagine it. The body can only do what the mind wills it to. Have you seen video of Bruce Lee kicking his training partners 12 feet across the room? The force is about 12*140 (1680). Assuming that the sandbag is no more than 5.6 feet from the ceiling, that would be the same amount of force. I'll admit that the .005 second strike does sound exaggerated. The person probably meant to say .05 seconds, which is feasible because Bruce was said to strike in the blink of an eye, which takes place in .01 seconds.
Other people can do some of Bruce Lee's feats, but it was his combination of mind and body that made him special, and the reason that he is still discussed today.
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Ya that makes sense. People tend to forget when you are dealing with huge wights like 500 lbs on a bench even 25 more pounds is alot of ground to cover
i kinda disagree 25lbs when u are in that region of huge numbers is not a lot. its nly 5% of what he is working with. so so impressive nevertheless. nobody on this except probaly woolfe and onlyme in his prime cud approach those numbers.
sarcasm 18% on 500lbs is 590lbs 10lbs from 600. very feasible as there could easily be room for a 2% discrepency when using rep conversion charts.
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The slowdown in improvements occurs only when one's strength potential is about to be fully realized.
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If you remember Ernie was the same guy who thought Ronnie could do the vaccum pose.
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in another issue of flex
eddie abbew stated he benched 630 for 6 reps
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If you remember Ernie was the same guy who thought Ronnie could do the vaccum pose.
HAHAHAHAHA I think Ernie just wanted Ronnie to push his shit in
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Lets talk about Johny Jackson's pathetic bench! 540... his squad and deadlift are over 800... whats that all about? Why is he so weak in the bench press? Does he need to train with Ronnie?
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I'd kick Bruce Lee's skinny little ass.
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i kinda disagree 25lbs when u are in that region of huge numbers is not a lot. its nly 5% of what he is working with. so so impressive nevertheless. nobody on this except probaly woolfe and onlyme in his prime cud approach those numbers.
sarcasm 18% on 500lbs is 590lbs 10lbs from 600. very feasible as there could easily be room for a 2% discrepency when using rep conversion charts.
you obviously know absolutely nothing about lifting judging from that statement.
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you obviously know absolutely nothing about lifting judging from that statement.
why don't you try helping him with a reach around instead of bashing him and maybe blow him you fag
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why don't you try helping him with a reach around instead of bashing him and maybe blow him you fag
let's put it like this, when you were benching 225 for a hard 5 reps could you bench 315?
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One thing to remember though, is Ronnie doesn't train low reps at all, he only did 495 in COR simply becuase it was showtime. If he trained like a powerlifter and bulked up to 350 there's no telling what he could bench...
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One thing to remember though, is Ronnie doesn't train low reps at all, he only did 495 in COR simply becuase it was showtime. If he trained like a powerlifter and bulked up to 350 there's no telling what he could bench...
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, coulda, shoulda, woulda.
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kevin levrone did 500 for 5 as well
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kevin levrone did 500 for 5 as well
think about it meso back when you were benching 225 for a hard 5 could you bench 315? myself i couldn't do 315 until i got to 15 reps with 225.
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kevin levrone did 500 for 5 as well
what can he bench now? (you're only as good as your last time at bat.)
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think about it meso back when you were benching 225 for a hard 5 could you bench 315? myself i couldn't do 315 until i got to 15 reps with 225.
i couldnt get 315 till i benched 225 for 10
when i was benching 225 for 5 ... i could barely get 264 for 1
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i couldnt get 315 till i benched 225 for 10
when i was benching 225 for 5 ... i could barely get 264 for 1
exactly, so i could MAYBE see Ronnie doing 600 on bench if he could snap 500 for an easy 10-12 but not 5.
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Here we go my very first post.
Can only base my knowledge on my personal experience because there seem to be so many crazy claims about this and that.
Just remembering back to when I was at about my strongest (at a bw of about 260-270) I could bench 350 for 10 with no spotter. If I remember correctly I could do 315 for anywhere between 15 to 20 reps fairly easily.
I also recall going for the most reps I could do with 225 and I'm pretty sure I fell just short of 50 reps.
I have heard numerous claims about various bb's and powerlifters able to do far more than this and I can believe there are guys who could do say 100 reps with 225 fairly easily.
However when I gave 400 pounds a go I couldn't even do one rep. I'm definately no powerlifter (only trained as a bb) and have never trained with sets of less than 8 reps but I remember being quite shocked even back then that I couldn't get 400 up.
Also I don't think I was particularly strong, I am fairly tall however (about 6'4) and have long arms so not very helpful when it comes to putting up big numbers.
I also remember an old friend of mine who was a very large non-comp. bb who was about 240 pounds at about 5'8. He had legit 21 inch arms, 22 inch calves and 33 inch quads. His biggest bench was around 420 for 1 rep. So maybe size doesn't always correlate to power because if anyone looked like they could bench 550 pounds this guy did.
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exactly, so i could MAYBE see Ronnie doing 600 on bench if he could snap 500 for an easy 10-12 but not 5.
i watched cor
he benched 405 for 10 or 12..... respectively but he was complaining about his shoulder....
in the unbelivable he did....
press 200lb dumbells for 12 easy reps...
admittedly...
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Ronnie takes 3 months off of training And Juice each year, So he's probably actually his strongest during his contest diet.
Levrone even more so. He would gain weight to do a contest.
So both were likely their strongest when ripped.
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Ok. Let's break it down then... Moving three feet in .005 seconds is simply just not possible. A physics teacher (Howard!!) could tell you how fast that really would be.
You must really not think very highly of the getbig population if we need a physics teacher to tell us how fast three feet in .005 seconds is...
3feet/.005sec = 600ft/sec
For anyone who actually cares, that's 55% the speed of sound ::)
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It is not possible for most people because their minds cannot imagine it. The body can only do what the mind wills it to. Have you seen video of Bruce Lee kicking his training partners 12 feet across the room? The force is about 12*140 (1680). Assuming that the sandbag is no more than 5.6 feet from the ceiling, that would be the same amount of force. I'll admit that the .005 second strike does sound exaggerated. The person probably meant to say .05 seconds, which is feasible because Bruce was said to strike in the blink of an eye, which takes place in .01 seconds.
Other people can do some of Bruce Lee's feats, but it was his combination of mind and body that made him special, and the reason that he is still discussed today.
I don't know what you are calculating here. You seem to be multiplying feet travelled by a person's weight in pounds and are equating this to force. Force is actually the product of mass and acceleration. And this acceleration generated by anyone's kick or punch would be transmitted in a very short period of time. Over a very short distance- not the 12 feet you mention. So in fact it would be an Impluse.
I have never ever seen- other than in movies involving wires that are later digitally removed - anyone 'fly' across the room for 12 feet. There may be an initial lift off which would therefor involve another component: namely the force required to lift a person's mass off of the floor. I will ignore this for the time being. Also, the person so struck would become a projectile that would follow a parabolic pathway to the ground. This complicates matters.
And that force is not applied to the person over the entire 12 feet that you say the person travels. The 12 feet will come into play later on should anyone be required to figure out the force impeding the object.
Your comment about the sandbag and same amount of force is completely bogus.
So if the person struck was initially at rest, and his final speed - prior to slowing down - was say 10m/s - perhaps an exaggeration- and this final speed was achieved in 0.5 seconds ( as the body would almost immediately begin to slow down ), then the acceleration would be 20m/s/s. The force needed to get a mass to accelerate thusly would be 1300N assuming a 65 kilogram person. this would approximately equal 2600 Watts of Power generated in that 0.5 seconds.
Any alterations that involve a greater acceleration or a shorter time period ( the "myth " of Bruce Lee ) would create an even greater force and power. And if you reduce the final speed obtained or increase the time- you are bringing the force and power into the realm of the easily attainable.
You are sort of figuring out WorK done which is the product of force and distance. And then Power is work divided by time. you can't use the 12 feet. This is just wrong and shows me that you have no real understanding of what you are talking about. or you just failed every physics course you ever took: if you ever took any.
YOu'd have to convert feet to meters and pounds to kilograms.
3 feet is about 1 meter. Using 0.05 seconds as the time you have a speed of 20 meters per second which reasonable. Its twice as fast as the velocity of a top world class sprinter: Maurice Green say. But you only have to hit it for that short period of time. I couldn't do it but others probably could. hockey Goal tenders for example. maybe
If you want to see how much power 2600 watts actually is, get on a concept 2 rower, set the monitor to watts and then try to hit 1600 let alone 2600. You will have to alter the damper settings.
The math is very simplified here and I didn't consider the effects of gravity on a person lifted completely off the floor nor did i consider the projectile motion parabolic pathway an object would follow.
There is no amount of science that will change people's opinion about what Bruce Lee could and could not do. Stories about what he could do have been passed down over the years and have been exaggerated for effect. Many other well meaning people simply make things up to show how great the guy was. People idolize the guy and for that reason alone, he has done a great deal to help many people overcome their fears and to better themselves.
I once saw him pick up a rickshaw by the ends of the shafts. The rickshaw had 2 or 3 bad guys in it too. The power to do that would be enormous... oh wait.. that was in 'ENter the Dragon.." damn...
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I don't know what you are calculating here. You seem to be multiplying feet travelled by a person's weight in pounds and are equating this to force. Force is actually the product of mass and acceleration. And this acceleration generated by anyone's kick or punch would be transmitted in a very short period of time. Over a very short distance- not the 12 feet you mention. So in fact it would be an Impluse.
I have never ever seen- other than in movies involving wires that are later digitally removed - anyone 'fly' across the room for 12 feet. There may be an initial lift off which would therefor involve another component: namely the force required to lift a person's mass off of the floor. I will ignore this for the time being. Also, the person so struck would become a projectile that would follow a parabolic pathway to the ground. This complicates matters.
And that force is not applied to the person over the entire 12 feet that you say the person travels. The 12 feet will come into play later on should anyone be required to figure out the force impeding the object.
Your comment about the sandbag and same amount of force is completely bogus.
So if the person struck was initially at rest, and his final speed - prior to slowing down - was say 10m/s - perhaps an exaggeration- and this final speed was achieved in 0.5 seconds ( as the body would almost immediately begin to slow down ), then the acceleration would be 20m/s/s. The force needed to get a mass to accelerate thusly would be 1300N assuming a 65 kilogram person. this would approximately equal 2600 Watts of Power generated in that 0.5 seconds.
Any alterations that involve a greater acceleration or a shorter time period ( the "myth " of Bruce Lee ) would create an even greater force and power. And if you reduce the final speed obtained or increase the time- you are bringing the force and power into the realm of the easily attainable.
You are sort of figuring out WorK done which is the product of force and distance. And then Power is work divided by time. you can't use the 12 feet. This is just wrong and shows me that you have no real understanding of what you are talking about. or you just failed every physics course you ever took: if you ever took any.
YOu'd have to convert feet to meters and pounds to kilograms.
3 feet is about 1 meter. Using 0.05 seconds as the time you have a speed of 20 meters per second which reasonable. Its twice as fast as the velocity of a top world class sprinter: Maurice Green say. But you only have to hit it for that short period of time. I couldn't do it but others probably could. hockey Goal tenders for example. maybe
If you want to see how much power 2600 watts actually is, get on a concept 2 rower, set the monitor to watts and then try to hit 1600 let alone 2600. You will have to alter the damper settings.
The math is very simplified here and I didn't consider the effects of gravity on a person lifted completely off the floor nor did i consider the projectile motion parabolic pathway an object would follow.
There is no amount of science that will change people's opinion about what Bruce Lee could and could not do. Stories about what he could do have been passed down over the years and have been exaggerated for effect. Many other well meaning people simply make things up to show how great the guy was. People idolize the guy and for that reason alone, he has done a great deal to help many people overcome their fears and to better themselves.
I once saw him pick up a rickshaw by the ends of the shafts. The rickshaw had 2 or 3 bad guys in it too. The power to do that would be enormous... oh wait.. that was in 'ENter the Dragon.." damn...
You have thoroughly 0wned me :'( Thanks for informing me though, because I have told other people these things and I will no longer do that :-\
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Yeah, and Ernie also said he doesn't have synthol in his tris.
Where are the pics that some one posted a while back of his drain plugs ?
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Here we go my very first post.
Can only base my knowledge on my personal experience because there seem to be so many crazy claims about this and that.
Just remembering back to when I was at about my strongest (at a bw of about 260-270) I could bench 350 for 10 with no spotter. If I remember correctly I could do 315 for anywhere between 15 to 20 reps fairly easily.
I also recall going for the most reps I could do with 225 and I'm pretty sure I fell just short of 50 reps.
I have heard numerous claims about various bb's and powerlifters able to do far more than this and I can believe there are guys who could do say 100 reps with 225 fairly easily.
However when I gave 400 pounds a go I couldn't even do one rep. I'm definately no powerlifter (only trained as a bb) and have never trained with sets of less than 8 reps but I remember being quite shocked even back then that I couldn't get 400 up.
Also I don't think I was particularly strong, I am fairly tall however (about 6'4) and have long arms so not very helpful when it comes to putting up big numbers.
I also remember an old friend of mine who was a very large non-comp. bb who was about 240 pounds at about 5'8. He had legit 21 inch arms, 22 inch calves and 33 inch quads. His biggest bench was around 420 for 1 rep. So maybe size doesn't always correlate to power because if anyone looked like they could bench 550 pounds this guy did.
Your structure could use work. I am also 6'4" and a natural and I can probably bench 350 for 1. ;)
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Your structure could use work. I am also 6'4" and a natural and I can probably bench 350 for 1. ;)
you couldn't roll 350 to save your life.
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you couldn't roll 350 to save your life.
I don't plan to roll it! I plan to lift it with my huge chest!
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I don't plan to roll it! I plan to lift it with my huge chest!
hey look at it this way after that 350 lb. bar buries itself in your chest you'll be able to rest a plate of food in the indentation when your sitting on the couch watching gay porn.
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that's funny because when i met Ronnie at a show he said that the most he's ever benched is 500 for 8.
Bingo. The claims in FLEX are always exaggerated.
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Musclemag Oct98 By Terry Adams
Iron Haven Gym
Alberton
Prince Edward Island
One of the highlights of the Arnold Classic 98 was the "bench press" challenge by Jimmy"Iron Bull" Pellechia.Ronnie Coleman took up the challenge and benched 225 pounds for a total of 79 reps as compared to jimmy's 59 reps!Even more impressive is the fact that Ronnie put in a heavy chest workout just a day before at World Gym.I watched him do incline bench press with 6 plates for 8 reps followed by benches with 8 plated for 8 reps.This effort had to have weakened him somewhat for the bench press contest the next day.You cant trully appreciate the size and shape of Ronnie Coleman unless u meet him in person.
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Musclemag Oct98 By Terry Adams
Iron Haven Gym
Alberton
Prince Edward Island
One of the highlights of the Arnold Classic 98 was the "bench press" challenge by Jimmy"Iron Bull" Pellechia.Ronnie Coleman took up the challenge and benched 225 pounds for a total of 79 reps as compared to jimmy's 59 reps!Even more impressive is the fact that Ronnie put in a heavy chest workout just a day before at World Gym.I watched him do incline bench press with 6 plates for 8 reps followed by benches with 8 plated for 8 reps.This effort had to have weakened him somewhat for the bench press contest the next day.You cant trully appreciate the size and shape of Ronnie Coleman unless u meet him in person.
old news dude, this was posted on another thread yesterday.
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hey look at it this way after that 350 lb. bar buries itself in your chest you'll be able to rest a plate of food in the indentation it when your sitting on the couch watching gay porn.
I think you would like to watch me do gay porn but that ain't gonna happen! Alexxx is too big of a man! I plan on getting to 500 pound bench.
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I think you would like to watch me do gay porn but that ain't gonna happen! Alexxx is too big of a man! I plan on getting to 500 pound bench.
sarcasm is gay? ???
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sarcasm is gay? ???
Captain obvious right as usual!
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Captain obvious right as usual!
Here is something obvious: you are not as big as you think you are :)
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old news dude, this was posted on another thread yesterday.
Is it relevant to Ronnies benching?
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I think Levrone and Cormier were stronger on inclines than Ronnie.
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You have thoroughly 0wned me :'( Thanks for informing me though, because I have told other people these things and I will no longer do that :-\
Lucius fox,
It wasn't my intention to own you. I am glad to be of some service. I too like Bruce Lee and enjoy reading of his thoughts, philosophies and many accomplishments. He was thoroughly shafted when Carradine was given the part that was meant to be Lee's. And I watched the Green hornet just to see Bruce Lee. In the Hong Kong and other Oriental countries, THe Green Hornet was called " the Bruce lee show" or something like that.
Lee certainly did have prodigous power and strength.
He was able to translate his power to his punches. I have seen the home movie that was made when he gave an exhibition of his one inch punch at the karate Competition. The guy did indeed stumble backwards a number of feet then landed on his ass. Lee did a number of one finger pushups as well.
The scene where he is kicking that heavy bag was shot when he was training Kareem abdul Jabbar, Lee Marvin & James Coburn in his backyard. Hard to tell how much the bag weighed as it was hanging straight down with no guy lines.
And he hurt his back by doing good mornings, not by a kick in the back in a fighting match. That one made a good scene in the movie but it didn't happen.
There is no need for anyone to turn Bruce Lee into a myth by exaggeration of his skills and exploits. His accomplishments as there are, stand on there own as outstanding. People seem intent into making him into some sort of Chuck Norris joke. Man, even Chuck Norris is doing Chuck Norris jokes...
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I think Levrone and Cormier were stronger on inclines than Ronnie.
Thats because they worked on overall balance of the pectorial muscle. If Ronnie started with inclines for a year straight, he could well pass his flat bench!
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Here we go my very first post.
Can only base my knowledge on my personal experience because there seem to be so many crazy claims about this and that.
Just remembering back to when I was at about my strongest (at a bw of about 260-270) I could bench 350 for 10 with no spotter. If I remember correctly I could do 315 for anywhere between 15 to 20 reps fairly easily.
I also recall going for the most reps I could do with 225 and I'm pretty sure I fell just short of 50 reps.
I have heard numerous claims about various bb's and powerlifters able to do far more than this and I can believe there are guys who could do say 100 reps with 225 fairly easily.
However when I gave 400 pounds a go I couldn't even do one rep. I'm definately no powerlifter (only trained as a bb) and have never trained with sets of less than 8 reps but I remember being quite shocked even back then that I couldn't get 400 up.
Also I don't think I was particularly strong, I am fairly tall however (about 6'4) and have long arms so not very helpful when it comes to putting up big numbers.
I also remember an old friend of mine who was a very large non-comp. bb who was about 240 pounds at about 5'8. He had legit 21 inch arms, 22 inch calves and 33 inch quads. His biggest bench was around 420 for 1 rep. So maybe size doesn't always correlate to power because if anyone looked like they could bench 550 pounds this guy did.
That's odd that you could bench 350 for 10 and not get 405 for 1. According to rep calculators, you're max should be around 470.
Bodybuilders tend to have a greater endurance with moderate heavy weights relative to an absolute max as compared to powerlifters or even the regular gym rat. Obviously their training methods of high volume and short rest periods have adapted to suit that kind of lifting.
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Thats because they worked on overall balance of the pectorial muscle. If Ronnie started with inclines for a year straight, he could well pass his flat bench!
And BB is all about balance.
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And BB is all about balance.
Thats is currect. But Ronnies training routine lacks though.
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Lucius fox,
It wasn't my intention to own you. I am glad to be of some service. I too like Bruce Lee and enjoy reading of his thoughts, philosophies and many accomplishments. He was thoroughly shafted when Carradine was given the part that was meant to be Lee's. And I watched the Green hornet just to see Bruce Lee. In the Hong Kong and other Oriental countries, THe Green Hornet was called " the Bruce lee show" or something like that.
Lee certainly did have prodigous power and strength.
He was able to translate his power to his punches. I have seen the home movie that was made when he gave an exhibition of his one inch punch at the karate Competition. The guy did indeed stumble backwards a number of feet then landed on his ass. Lee did a number of one finger pushups as well.
The scene where he is kicking that heavy bag was shot when he was training Kareem abdul Jabbar, Lee Marvin & James Coburn in his backyard. Hard to tell how much the bag weighed as it was hanging straight down with no guy lines.
And he hurt his back by doing good mornings, not by a kick in the back in a fighting match. That one made a good scene in the movie but it didn't happen.
There is no need for anyone to turn Bruce Lee into a myth by exaggeration of his skills and exploits. His accomplishments as there are, stand on there own as outstanding. People seem intent into making him into some sort of Chuck Norris joke. Man, even Chuck Norris is doing Chuck Norris jokes...
Yeah, I was surprised when I found out that the Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story kick in the back was made up. I watched it when I was a kid and thought it was all real except for the samurai demon. Only years later did I realize the "artistic license". Of course, I should have realized that stumbling back 12 feet and being knocked through the air 12 feet are kind of different. Cool to see another Bruce Lee fan and always cool to talk to someone that is very knowledgable about something, especially on this site, which has many selfproclaimed experts.
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Kicker - I guess everyone is different.
But I did indeed expect to be able to do 405 for at least a few.
I remember taking it down reasonably easily and getting it halfway backup and that was it.
470 would have been cool.
Just thinking - there was a guy at my gym who didn't train legs - pretty much only ever did benchpress and arms. out of shape kinda body but was pretty damn strong on bench.
He would do 315 for 6 and the last 2 reps always looked pretty hard for him. But his max bench for a single was 485 on a good day.
Most reps I ever saw him doing on 225 was probably only about 15.
Takes all sorts I guess.
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OK...
Don't be so quick to accuse E.T. of bullshitting. He may have never actually said that in the first place. It's gotten so bad, you can hardly believe anything you read in FLEX or some of the other mags anymore. It's looking more and more like the mags are either not checking their facts, or intentionally exaggerating things under the guise of "journalistic license" just to be sensational and sell a few more issues.
Excellent point, I have 2 good examples:
1) Flex had a feature article, Bob Cicherillo kills 'sacred cows', one was the barbell row, which he insisted he no longer performs and certainly doesn't recommend. Literally 2 months later there is a short excerpt in 'Gym Bag' where Bob Cicherillo discusses the benefits of, you guessed it, barbell rows and the importance of a full range of motion and back parallel to the floor (lol the most vulnerable position for injury).
2) Dennis James claims in 1 deltoid article that he touches his traps on behind the neck presses. A few months later, another James deltoid article warning explicitly that lifters should, under no circumstance, lower the bar lower than ear level, because it puts the rotator cuffs at risk.
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Where are the pics that some one posted a while back of his drain plugs ?
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It's almost like someone passed a law saying that these guys with huge upper arms have to have forearms that are small, even for the average pro.
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Yeah, I was surprised when I found out that the Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story kick in the back was made up. I watched it when I was a kid and thought it was all real except for the samurai demon. Only years later did I realize the "artistic license". Of course, I should have realized that stumbling back 12 feet and being knocked through the air 12 feet are kind of different. Cool to see another Bruce Lee fan and always cool to talk to someone that is very knowledgable about something, especially on this site, which has many selfproclaimed experts.
lol...
no problem lucius.
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If Ronnie could bench anything close to those numbers, he could show up at a powerlifting meet any given day in the offseason and break some records. Believing those kinds of numbers is like believing Bruce Lee was actually a badass.
Wasn't Coleman once a powerlifter? I recall a few blurbs in MuscleMag where he, in his early days, competed in a drug-tested powerlifting federation.
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Don't know it was mentioned, but is it possible that the magazine misprinted the stat and printed 550lbs instead of the correct 505lbs or 450lbs for 15 reps?
MOS
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Don't know it was mentioned, but is it possible that the magazine misprinted the stat and printed 550lbs instead of the correct 505lbs or 450lbs for 15 reps?
MOS
No no they have it right! I read Ronnie Coleman deadlifts 800 pounds for 12 - 15 reps. It was printed in Flex magazine so it must be true!
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i couldnt get 315 till i benched 225 for 10
when i was benching 225 for 5 ... i could barely get 264 for 1
that works out just about right. This is how you do your 1rm:
2 reps - *weight by 1.07
3 reps - *weight by 1.12
4 reps - *weight by 1.15
5 reps - *weight by 1.18
therefore 225*1.18 = 265lbs NOT 315
10 reps - *weight by 1.33 so 225 *1.33 = 300lbs
in Ronnies case he benched 495 for 5 reps, so his 1rm for then works out as 584lbs