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Title: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Jovo on October 17, 2016, 02:34:20 AM
From this
(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie_Coleman_Bodybuilding.jpg)

(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie-Coleman-body.jpg)

To this

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/laXAJ_kWh3M/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://www.bblegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ronnie-coleman-July-9-2015.jpg)

INB4 "oh he is 54 years old now"

I bet he isnt too happy with the whole drowning in juice decision now

plenty of 54 year old dudes who took it easy look great till 65
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: jon cole on October 17, 2016, 02:47:13 AM
High level bbing is just a superhuman experience.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 17, 2016, 03:08:16 AM
He looks pretty good there, he was much worse.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 17, 2016, 03:43:16 AM
Is he in a posing thong in the hospital pic? ???
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: ratherbebig on October 17, 2016, 03:49:06 AM
more heavy lifting than steroids.

this teaches us:

go for the pump
muscle mind connection
use mostly machines
never train heavy
never do low reps
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: falco on October 17, 2016, 04:00:54 AM
Sterons had not much to do with it. Crazy loads and not knowing when to stop to lift heavy was the main culprit.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Julio Ceasar on October 17, 2016, 04:12:28 AM
more heavy lifting than steroids.

this teaches us:

go for the pump
muscle mind connection
use mostly machines
never train heavy
never do low reps


Yepp. Most guys on gear get gready, want more, do more, boost the system without knowledge how to drive. Im not suprised so many of the just crash!

And normal food. Normal amout of protein fat sugar carbs cheatmeal...just eat normal and healthy!
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: gib on October 17, 2016, 04:15:49 AM
more heavy lifting than steroids.

this teaches us:

go for the pump
muscle mind connection
use mostly machines
never train heavy
never do low reps


Agreed. Love him or hate him Heath gets it. As did Jay.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Jovo on October 17, 2016, 04:29:38 AM
HGH is the culprit here fellas

It increases a hormone called IGF-1 and igf-1 receptors are everywhere :) especially in your gut. IGF-1 Controls cell growth and proliferation.

thats why he looks so blocky and arms are small in comparison
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Nether Animal on October 17, 2016, 04:33:05 AM
How is he still so vascular and lean? GH?
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: YngiweRhoads on October 17, 2016, 04:54:38 AM
more heavy lifting than steroids.

this teaches us:

go for the pump
muscle mind connection
use mostly machines
never train heavy
never do low reps


I'm almost 50 and do heavy singles all the time with nary an issue.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Mr Anabolic on October 17, 2016, 04:59:34 AM
Sterons had not much to do with it. Crazy loads and not knowing when to stop to lift heavy was the main culprit.

But the decision and capability to handle crazy loads was caused by the sterons. 
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 17, 2016, 06:17:19 AM
From this
(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie_Coleman_Bodybuilding.jpg)

(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie-Coleman-body.jpg)

To this

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/laXAJ_kWh3M/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://www.bblegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ronnie-coleman-July-9-2015.jpg)

INB4 "oh he is 54 years old now"

I bet he isnt too happy with the whole drowning in juice decision now

plenty of 54 year old dudes who took it easy look great till 65


Never mind how he  looks now,  he cant even walk like the average 65 year old guy ...





WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   S A D
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 17, 2016, 06:19:07 AM
wtf what kind of grown man wear his bikini underpants to the hospital?

Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on October 17, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
Thread starter I would like to remind you that to be at the top of any sport its no longer about health its about being the best and you have to be willing to do whatever it takes, if you dont have that mentality you cant be a champion.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: milone79 on October 17, 2016, 06:56:10 AM
wtf what kind of grown man wear his bikini underpants to the hospital?



this!!!! we need to really get to the bottom of this question......like srs wtf????
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: stanlystud on October 17, 2016, 07:01:34 AM
Ronnie is a cool dude my idol
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 17, 2016, 07:11:11 AM
wtf what kind of grown man wear his bikini underpants to the hospital?



A bodybuilding legend .


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH ;D
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: SquidVicious on October 17, 2016, 07:17:44 AM
No one can ever look like 1998-2000 Coleman. Who cares how he looks 15 years later.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: TRIX on October 17, 2016, 08:03:37 AM
Every 50 yr old looks like shit.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Simple Simon on October 17, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Thread starter I would like to remind you that to be at the top of any sport its no longer about health its about being the best and you have to be willing to do whatever it takes, if you dont have that mentality you cant be a champion.
(https://leehaneynutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/leehan_blogbck.jpg)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Simple Simon on October 17, 2016, 08:09:36 AM
Every 50 yr old looks like shit.
(https://s21.postimg.org/smlej8fbr/legs.jpg)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: mass243 on October 17, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Is he in a posing thong in the hospital pic? ???

Always ready to pay his dues should a need arise...
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: stanlystud on October 17, 2016, 08:48:18 AM
Always ready to pay his dues should a need arise...

schmoe?
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: njflex on October 17, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
(https://s21.postimg.org/smlej8fbr/legs.jpg)
BOOOYAAAA... 8)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 17, 2016, 09:50:25 AM
A bodybuilding legend .


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH ;D

pet shop ronnie is lucky they didnt send him to the psych ward for a ful evaluation. they would have stuck a tube up his ass and put him on alot of meds and strapped him down for sure
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: light weight baby on October 17, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
(https://s21.postimg.org/smlej8fbr/legs.jpg)
looks pretty shit and old
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 17, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
more heavy lifting than steroids.

this teaches us:

go for the pump
muscle mind connection
use mostly machines
never train heavy
never do low reps

you mean: be a homo ?    :-X
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on October 17, 2016, 10:42:19 AM
(https://s21.postimg.org/smlej8fbr/legs.jpg)

You are a nobody who just went to the gym workout and took some roids, not sure why you are attention whoring with your picture in this thread about ronnie coleman.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: light weight baby on October 17, 2016, 10:49:59 AM
You are a nobody who just went to the gym workout and took some roids, not sure why you are attention whoring with your picture in this thread about ronnie coleman.
he's an example of why one should go overboard with sterons bcs not doing so will leave you looking like a contruction worker on some test
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Weedlejuice on October 17, 2016, 10:58:06 AM
From this
(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie_Coleman_Bodybuilding.jpg)

(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie-Coleman-body.jpg)

To this

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/laXAJ_kWh3M/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://www.bblegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ronnie-coleman-July-9-2015.jpg)

INB4 "oh he is 54 years old now"

I bet he isnt too happy with the whole drowning in juice decision now

plenty of 54 year old dudes who took it easy look great till 65

Who gives a fuck how they look in their 50's

majority of his debilitating injuries are due to his insanely heavy lifting

Most of you are doing enough drugs to wind up dying of stroke and heart disease without getting close to his shape anyway

Full tilt all day everyday
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 17, 2016, 11:00:52 AM
Well if you wanna be mr O for that many years this seems to be the prize.....maybe it's worth to him. Power to him if that's the case. He never gotta work no more for the rest of his life, that's for sure. I dunno why he wanna keep abusing his wasted body again and again.....guess it's all he knows.  :-X
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Ssxa on October 17, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
Ronnie doesn't look that bad in those pics for a 50yo other than the 50 inch waist. And it was probably the insulin and GH abuse along with crazy heavy weights that ruined him, more than steroids.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: mass243 on October 17, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Well if you wanna be mr O for that many years this seems to be the prize.....maybe it's worth to him. Power to him if that's the case. He never gotta work no more for the rest of his life, that's for sure. I dunno why he wanna keep abusing his wasted body again and again.....guess it's all he knows.  :-X

C'mon,
his life has been quite awesome compared to that of average man.

Problem is we compare Ronnie to billionaire businessmen (though only few of them are known by general public), presidents of nations (though no one even knows who is president of 99,99% of countries), movie stars etc. Those are exceptions just like Ronnie. Your upper middle class man in his 50s has maybe a paid house, a small roadster for summer and SUV, has divorced once or twice... woohoo!

Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Taffin on October 17, 2016, 11:49:29 AM
(https://s21.postimg.org/smlej8fbr/legs.jpg)

My friend, I am almost at the point of being able to produce an animated 'flick book' of your torso over the years.  Not that I would of course (no homo  ;))
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: The Scott on October 17, 2016, 12:13:50 PM

(http://www.bblegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ronnie-coleman-July-9-2015.jpg)

INB4 "oh he is 54 years old now"

I bet he isnt too happy with the whole drowning in juice decision now

plenty of 54 year old dudes who took it easy look great till 65

This last photo has him looking facially Genova-esque.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: viking1 on October 17, 2016, 12:19:45 PM
wtf what kind of grown man wear his bikini underpants to the hospital?




A true bodybuilder has to be ready for any sudden call to guest pose....
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Simple Simon on October 17, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
My friend, I am almost at the point of being able to produce an animated 'flick book' of your torso over the years.  Not that I would of course (no homo  ;))
2013-2016 consistency is key...
(https://s11.postimg.org/fg6uoemqr/2013_2016.png)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Simple Simon on October 17, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
looks pretty shit and old

look and weep , post your photo like this, your head will look like Batmans logo.
(https://s10.postimg.org/3qea1ul7d/Screen_Shot_2016_10_17_at_20_46_28.png)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: illuminati on October 17, 2016, 01:47:34 PM
Well if you wanna be mr O for that many years this seems to be the prize.....maybe it's worth to him. Power to him if that's the case. He never gotta work no more for the rest of his life, that's for sure. I dunno why he wanna keep abusing his wasted body again and again.....guess it's all he knows.  :-X






It's his body.
Likely as you said he don't have to go work ever again.
Seems to me He enjoyed his hard training & still enjoys
His training -- if he wants to take some PED's - Up to him.

Why do people - continue to use Rec drugs / drink alcohol / smoke etc
When they are at deaths door...
They likely are addicted.

Some of the Biggest Drug abusers are Doctors -- as they have easy access to them,
And you would expect them to know better.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: illuminati on October 17, 2016, 01:55:19 PM
Why all the daft comments towards 'Be There'
He has a decent physique regardless of age
His in good condition.
He at least is prepared to post his pic's

It's easy to call him names & be derogatory
Hiding behind a computer & not posting your
Own pic's.

Is it so difficult to be pleasant to others.
Or at the very least be critical without being rude.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: light weight baby on October 17, 2016, 03:02:47 PM
look and weep , post your photo like this, your head will look like Batmans logo.
(https://s10.postimg.org/3qea1ul7d/Screen_Shot_2016_10_17_at_20_46_28.png)
small dick and small muscles
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: light weight baby on October 17, 2016, 03:04:06 PM
Why all the daft comments towards 'Be There'
He has a decent physique regardless of age
His in good condition.
He at least is prepared to post his pic's

It's easy to call him names & be derogatory
Hiding behind a computer & not posting your
Own pic's.

Is it so difficult to be pleasant to others.
Or at the very least be critical without being rude.
his physique dont even begin to match his attitude

looks like random gym rat
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on October 17, 2016, 03:19:34 PM
2013-2016 consistency is key...
(https://s11.postimg.org/fg6uoemqr/2013_2016.png)

You look ok but nothing special you need to drop your ego down a bit there are plenty of gym rats who look better than you.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: illuminati on October 17, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
his physique dont even begin to match his attitude

looks like random gym rat






Regardless of his attitude - good or bad.

Do you have a better physique.?

He post pics his & is prepared to take the inevitable
Slagging off & abuse.

Which is more than I am prepared to do.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
looks pretty shit and old

Why don't you post a pic and show us how much better you look than BT?
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
Why all the daft comments towards 'Be There'
He has a decent physique regardless of age
His in good condition.
He at least is prepared to post his pic's

It's easy to call him names & be derogatory
Hiding behind a computer & not posting your
Own pic's.

Is it so difficult to be pleasant to others.
Or at the very least be critical without being rude.

You will notice that the harshest critics are those who have never, and will never, post a recent pic because they look like shit. That why I agree with bigmc that if you are going to criticize and bash another GBer's physique, not pros or those on the national stage, you should post a pic. That will shut up all those anonymous cowards who don't even train throwing stones at others.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: The Scott on October 17, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
2013-2016 consistency is key...
(https://s11.postimg.org/fg6uoemqr/2013_2016.png)

Excellent physique.  Well done!
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: f450 on October 17, 2016, 09:32:55 PM
his physique dont even begin to match his attitude

looks like random gym rat

yep all those random 50yr old gym rats look just like him.

Cmon give the man credit. He looks absolutely fantastic for his age... looks good for any age.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Tennisballz on October 17, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
2013-2016 consistency is key...
(https://s11.postimg.org/fg6uoemqr/2013_2016.png)
You look great man, and actually no there are not many gym rats that look as good as you.  The orgy of gimmicks in here would know this if they actually trained.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Henda on October 17, 2016, 11:16:30 PM
Jeff looks excellent for any age
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Danimal77 on October 18, 2016, 12:23:10 AM
From this
(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie_Coleman_Bodybuilding.jpg)

(http://workoutinfoguru.1ygkv60km.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ronnie-Coleman-body.jpg)

To this

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/laXAJ_kWh3M/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://www.bblegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ronnie-coleman-July-9-2015.jpg)

INB4 "oh he is 54 years old now"

I bet he isnt too happy with the whole drowning in juice decision now

plenty of 54 year old dudes who took it easy look great till 65

He's actually 52, not 54.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: ITALIAN_FAN on October 18, 2016, 11:03:56 AM
He had a disgusting gut even during his competitive days and that's the only thing he has kept after stopping the juice
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 19, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
C'mon,
his life has been quite awesome compared to that of average man.

Problem is we compare Ronnie to billionaire businessmen (though only few of them are known by general public), presidents of nations (though no one even knows who is president of 99,99% of countries), movie stars etc. Those are exceptions just like Ronnie. Your upper middle class man in his 50s has maybe a paid house, a small roadster for summer and SUV, has divorced once or twice... woohoo!


I agree that what he achieved is amazing, I can even understand he destroyed his body in the process....but why would he keep on abusing his body now?  He'll be an invalid at 60, no need to go on like this, it's too bad....
He should give up the abuse and enjoy his carreer and money....maybe he's just too stupid, I dunno.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 19, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
2013-2016 consistency is key...

you mean: no gains for 3 years.......?       ouch.  :-\
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Simple Simon on October 19, 2016, 02:26:12 PM
you mean: no gains for 3 years.......?       ouch.  :-\
no decline is good enough for me at 51 mate.    ;D
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Nether Animal on October 20, 2016, 08:12:57 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TCuunHX7SsI/AAAAAAAAMFQ/1BSYEj2GBvw/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+in+1998+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: funk51 on October 20, 2016, 08:18:59 AM
Is he in a posing thong in the hospital pic? ???
                                   got to be ready schmoes are everywhere. ::)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on October 20, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Why all the daft comments towards 'Be There'
He has a decent physique regardless of age
His in good condition.
He at least is prepared to post his pic's

It's easy to call him names & be derogatory
Hiding behind a computer & not posting your
Own pic's.

Is it so difficult to be pleasant to others.
Or at the very least be critical without being rude.

x2.

Jocular ball-busting aside, whatever one's subjective take of the cut of UK Jeffley's physique or his numerous pic-posting, you have to admire his mindset and will. He's proud of his physique, yes; but I don't think he's vain. Jeff's a former competitor who seems to practice the art of bodybuilding for all of the right reasons (because of the personal benefits it confers, benefits that transcend the narrowness [and potential harm] of competition, benefits which can be enjoyed in the activity of bodybuilding throughout one's life). Most people in their 50s let themselves go and have completely fallen apart. Not Jeff. He's been there, done that, and still doing it. Jeff seems to be someone who values the relation between outer appearance and inner health (of body+mind) by demonstrating temperance and self-respect, a wisdom marked by knowledge and experience. He's playing the long game, and, by all accounts, to excellent effect. This shows in his pictures (which convey art and development) and in his comments.

Right on to Jeff, and continued success!

So, absolutely, let's get beyond the usual knee-jerk use of insulting language.
P.S.: Coleman's a derp.
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: light weight baby on October 20, 2016, 09:05:59 AM
x2.

Jocular ball-busting aside, whatever one's subjective take of the cut of UK Jeffley's physique or his numerous pic-posting, you have to admire his mindset and will. He's proud of his physique, yes; but I don't think he's vain. Jeff's a former competitor who seems to practice the art of bodybuilding for all of the right reasons (because of the personal benefits it confers, benefits that transcend the narrowness [and potential harm] of competition, benefits which can be enjoyed in the activity of bodybuilding throughout one's life). Most people in their 50s let themselves go and have completely fallen apart. Not Jeff. He's been there, done that, and still doing it. Jeff seems to be someone who values the relation between outer appearance and inner health (of body+mind) by demonstrating temperance and self-respect, a wisdom marked by knowledge and experience. He's playing the long game, and, by all accounts, to excellent effect. This shows in his pictures (which convey art and development) and in his comments.

Right on to Jeff, and continued success!

So, absolutely, let's get beyond the usual knee-jerk use insulting language.
P.S.: Coleman's a derp.

leave this place and never return
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 20, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
no decline is good enough for me at 51 mate.    ;D
ok sir. You are older then me, so I must pay respect !   8) 8)
Title: Re: Ronnie coleman is now an example of why one should not go overboard with sterons
Post by: funk51 on October 20, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
1950's body,