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Remember when Ford pardoned Nixon before Nixon was convicted of a crime? I suspect Obama will do the same with Hillary, especially if she wins in November.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_States
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I think the pardon might not be limited to Hillary but also to some select members of her inner circle (maybe Abedin, Mills etc) or the Democrats.
On a sidenote, accepting a pardon also means admission of guilt. Not that it will mean something to Clinton, it will be the same as her saying "I take responsibility" (but I don't want any consequences or punishment).
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I think the pardon might not be limited to Hillary but also to some select members of her inner circle (maybe Abedin, Mills etc) or the Democrats.
On a sidenote, accepting a pardon also means admission of guilt. Not that it will mean something to Clinton, it will be the same as her saying "I take responsibility" (but I don't want any consequences or punishment).
Agree.
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Prof. Banzhaf: Nothing Prevents Hillary Clinton from Pardoning Herself After Inauguration
by DAN RIEHL
4 Nov 2016
Washington, DC
Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School John Banzhaf talked with Breitbart News Daily SiriusXM host Alex Marlow on Friday about complications that would emerge if Hillary Clinton pardoned herself after inauguration if she were elected president.
While pointing out that normal notions of a conflict of interest do not apply to presidential pardons, Banzhaf said, “Some could argue that she can’t pardon herself. We don’t know the answer and perhaps more disturbingly, it may be impossible for that case ever to get into court.”
Added Banzhaf, “Nobody may have what we call legal standing. There are other doctrines that courts could invoke. You don’t have kind of a neutral or third party or third branch referee to decide. She says, ‘I pardon myself, and that’s it, and it’s over.’ Presumably, the other party would say, ‘No, it’s not,’ and then what happens from there?”
Banzhaf also pointed out that even if she does not pardon herself, there is “strong precedent that a sitting president cannot be indicted and charged.”
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/prof-banzhaf-nothing-prevents-hillary-pardoning-inauguration/
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She has not committed any crimes in need of pardoning.
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She has not committed any crimes in need of pardoning.
Spoken like a true believer.
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Remember when Ford pardoned Nixon before Nixon was convicted of a crime? I suspect Obama will do the same with Hillary, especially if she wins in November.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_States
Perhaps we can all form a prayer circle about it?
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She has not committed any crimes in need of pardoning.
BREAKING @HillaryClinton sent classified information to Chelsea Clinton. More information coming soon!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwcfZ_9XcAQt8zk.jpg)
Just released today by Judicial Watch, Timothy.
Another felony.
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BREAKING @HillaryClinton sent classified information to Chelsea Clinton. More information coming soon!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwcfZ_9XcAQt8zk.jpg)
Just released today by Judicial Watch, Timothy.
Another felony.
http://imgur.com/uHwsyit (http://imgur.com/uHwsyit)
There's the felony, Timothy. Look at the classified marking at the bottom.
You can't send that shit to your daughter.
Please tell how that is not an example of Hillary breaking a law?
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http://imgur.com/uHwsyit (http://imgur.com/uHwsyit)
There's the felony, Timothy. Look at the classified marking at the bottom.
You can't send that shit to your daughter.
Please tell how that is not an example of Hillary breaking a law?
It's a crime if they don't Instagram some mother /daughter nudes.
Damn dude, thinking of BOTH Hillary and Chelsea at the same time makes any man rock hard.
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She has not committed any crimes in need of pardoning.
God you are pathetic.
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God you are pathetic.
Would that be more pathetic then a diploma from Trump University?
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;D
Watch it that is Adonis school..
That is where he got his degree...
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I still think it's possible this happens.
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Hillary must beg the FBI to hurry up and charge her with every single one of her crimes now so that Obama can pardon her before Trump takes office in January.
Otherwise, she will get charged with any or all of her crimes after Trump takes office and there will be no hope for a pardon then.
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Remember when Ford pardoned Nixon before Nixon was convicted of a crime? I suspect Obama will do the same with Hillary, especially if she wins in November.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_States
The FBI director who was in charge of the investigation already decided no crime was committed .
He notified congress in writing last weekend.
Thus, no official pardon is required .
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The FBI director who was in charge of the investigation already decided no crime was committed .
He notified congress in writing last weekend.
Thus, no official pardon is required .
A special prosecutor can still be appointed. Plus the Clinton Foundation is still being investigated.
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The FBI director who was in charge of the investigation already decided no crime was committed .
He notified congress in writing last weekend.
Thus, no official pardon is required .
Thats not what the letter said.
Besides, she is under a MAJOR criminal investigation by the FBI and IRS regarding the Clinton Foundation. The email server thing is not going away either as they continue to gather evidence.
She is done and will probably get a pardon at some point.
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The FBI director who was in charge of the investigation already decided no crime was committed .
He notified congress in writing last weekend.
Thus, no official pardon is required .
That's not what he said. He said he was still not recommending to press charges against Hillary regarding the emails and personal email server.
This investigation is not closed. It will remain open until either more evidence surfaces and she is charged, or the statute of limitations expires.
On the other hand, she can still be charged, along with her husband and daughter, for all her crimes regarding the criminal organization that is the Clinton Foundation.
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Is there an echo in here? :D
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LOL...getbig's been on fire since last night. :)
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Yep.
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First signal that the pardon is coming.
Report: Obama Has Not Ruled Out Pardoning Hillary
By Todd Beamon | Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016
President Barack Obama has not ruled out pardoning Hillary Clinton before he leaves office in early January despite her not being charged with a crime.
"The president has offered clemency to a substantial number of Americans who were previously serving time in federal prisons," White House press secretary Josh Earnest responded Wednesday when asked by reporters.
His comments were reported by The New York Post.
"And we didn’t talk in advance about the president's plans to offer clemency to any of those individuals — and that’s because we don’t talk about the president’s thinking, particularly with respect to any specific cases that may apply to pardons or commutations," Earnest said.
Clinton, who lost Tuesday's election to Donald Trump, has come under attack for using a private email account when she was secretary of state.
In addition, the Clinton Foundation is reportedly under investigation.
Clinton has not been charged with any crimes.
Trump said during his second debate with Clinton last month that he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the 33,000 emails she deleted from her private server.
Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager, suggested Wednesday that the issue had not been abandoned, the Post reports.
In 1974, President Gerald Ford pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon, for any crimes he might have committed while serving in the Oval Office as a result of the Watergate scandal.
Ford said he took the action to avoid polarizing the nation further by putting Nixon on trial.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-may-pardon-hillary-clinton/2016/11/09/id/758100/
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First signal that the pardon is coming.
Report: Obama Has Not Ruled Out Pardoning Hillary
By Todd Beamon | Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016
President Barack Obama has not ruled out pardoning Hillary Clinton before he leaves office in early January despite her not being charged with a crime.
"The president has offered clemency to a substantial number of Americans who were previously serving time in federal prisons," White House press secretary Josh Earnest responded Wednesday when asked by reporters.
His comments were reported by The New York Post.
"And we didn’t talk in advance about the president's plans to offer clemency to any of those individuals — and that’s because we don’t talk about the president’s thinking, particularly with respect to any specific cases that may apply to pardons or commutations," Earnest said.
Clinton, who lost Tuesday's election to Donald Trump, has come under attack for using a private email account when she was secretary of state.
In addition, the Clinton Foundation is reportedly under investigation.
Clinton has not been charged with any crimes.
Trump said during his second debate with Clinton last month that he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the 33,000 emails she deleted from her private server.
Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager, suggested Wednesday that the issue had not been abandoned, the Post reports.
In 1974, President Gerald Ford pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon, for any crimes he might have committed while serving in the Oval Office as a result of the Watergate scandal.
Ford said he took the action to avoid polarizing the nation further by putting Nixon on trial.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-may-pardon-hillary-clinton/2016/11/09/id/758100/
Let's see if Trump acts like Ford or if he'll actually follow up on this:
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That's not what he said. He said he was still not recommending to press charges against Hillary regarding the emails and personal email server.
This investigation is not closed. It will remain open until either more evidence surfaces and she is charged, or the statute of limitations expires.
On the other hand, she can still be charged, along with her husband and daughter, for all her crimes regarding the criminal organization that is the Clinton Foundation.
Yup, that sums up the entire situation quite well.
I doubt a President Trump would pursue this with his ATT Gen.
The country wants to see some other stuff done during his 1st 100 days.
A Hillary corruption trial would use a lot of political capitol and bog down his agenda.
He defeated her , let's move on.
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White House: Obama ‘Hopeful’ Trump Will Not Prosecute Hillary Clinton for Political Revenge
by CHARLIE SPIERING
10 Nov 2016
The White House signals it is hopeful that President-elect Donald Trump will not prosecute Hillary Clinton, citing a tradition in America of not using the justice system to enact revenge on a political opponent.
“[W]e’ve got a long tradition in this country of people in power not using the criminal justice system to exact political revenge,” spokesman Josh Earnest says. “In fact, we go to great lengths to insulate our criminal justice system from partisan politics.”
When Obama took office, many leftists wanted to see George W. Bush and Dick Cheney prosecuted for what they called “war crimes,” because of the use of enhanced interrogation techniques to question terrorists. But President Obama appeared reluctant to prosecute career law and intelligence officials in the Bush administration, citing in 2009 “a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.”
During a press conference, Earnest was reluctant to discuss potential pardons, insisting that it was improper to discuss them in advance. He did not rule out a potential pardon for Clinton but reminded reporters of Obama’s discussion of pardons in August.
When asked to reflect on his decision to commute the sentences of thousands of drug offenders, Obama indicated that he would not issue last-minute political pardons before leaving office. Any presidential pardons, he explained, would go through a rigorous legal process to avoid looking political.
“It’s going to be reviewed by the pardon attorney, it will be reviewed by my White House counsel, and I’m going to, as best as I can, make these decisions based on the merits, as opposed to political considerations,” Obama said during a press conference.
Earnest reasserted that Obama still felt the same way.
“I wouldn’t speculate at this point about what impact that may have on hypothetical pardon requests that he receives,” he said. “I’ll just say that the guidance that President Obama shared with you is still operative.”
But that doesn’t preclude a decision by Obama to protect Clinton from further investigations. If the president views any prosecution of Clinton as politically motivated, he might step in to minimize the damage that she faces. But a political pardon risks tainting Obama’s presidential legacy, something that Bush also avoided.
When Dick Cheney demanded a pardon for his aide Scooter Libby, Bush refused, but commuted his sentence, keeping Cheney’s aide out of jail. Libby still had to pay a $250,000 fine and serve probation for two years.
Cheney vigorously pursued the case, accusing Bush of leaving a wounded soldier on the battlefield.
“It was a hard decision to make,” Bush said in 2010 about the case. “But that’s what you do when you’re president: You make hard decisions.”
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/10/white-house-obama-hopeful-donald-trump-will-not-prosecute-hillary-clinton/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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Yup, that sums up the entire situation quite well.
I doubt a President Trump would pursue this with his ATT Gen.
The country wants to see some other stuff done during his 1st 100 days.
A Hillary corruption trial would use a lot of political capitol and bog down his agenda.
He defeated her , let's move on.
I thought you said there was nothing there. ???
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Tell that to the grieving families of the Benghazi fiasco. Tell that to the Haitian victims. Tell that too the service men sitting in jail for crimes that pale in comparison. Tell that to....fill in about a thousand other examples here.
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I hope Obama doesn't pardon her - it would send a terrible message. Even if you feel she's done nothing wrong (and I don't) and think Trump will use the Office to attack her, you still should be against a pardon.
Already there's a horrible double standard involving classified information: the little people get the shaft for the tiniest of infractions (long careers have been ruined) while bigwigs like David Petraeus forward crap with abandon to their mistresses or their friends or their freaking Philippino maids and get away with, at best a slap on the wrist.
A pardon would just be tantamount to taking a heaping dump on the people who, day in and day out, procure, generate, curate or otherwise handle classified information, and do so with integrity and dedication.
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Of course the worm would creep out of his hole to urge Obama to pardon Clinton.
Jesse Jackson to Obama: Give Hillary a Pardon
"It would be a monumental moral mistake to pursue the indictment of Hillary Clinton," Jackson said, reports the Detroit Free Press.
"President Ford said we don't need [President Richard] for trophy. We need to move on. President Nixon wasn't convicted of a crime. He didn't apply for a pardon. [Ford] did it because he thought it would be best for the country.
"Hillary Clinton has not been tried, but there are those who want to drag her for the next three years. It will not stop until they find a reason to put her in jail. That would be a travesty."
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/jesse-jackson-obama-pardon-hillary/2016/11/16/id/759298/
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I hope Obama doesn't pardon her - it would send a terrible message. Even if you feel she's done nothing wrong (and I don't) and think Trump will use the Office to attack her, you still should be against a pardon.
Already there's a horrible double standard involving classified information: the little people get the shaft for the tiniest of infractions (long careers have been ruined) while bigwigs like David Petraeus forward crap with abandon to their mistresses or their friends or their freaking Philippino maids and get away with, at best a slap on the wrist.
A pardon would just be tantamount to taking a heaping dump on the people who, day in and day out, procure, generate, curate or otherwise handle classified information, and do so with integrity and dedication.
I agree with most of this. Would be a horrible move. But I suspect it very well may happen.
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With this premise, Obama cannot pardon Hillary also. Let's see what will happen.
SPIEGEL Interview with US President Barack Obama
ARD/SPIEGEL: Are you going to pardon Edward Snowden?
Obama: I can't pardon somebody who hasn't gone before a court and presented themselves, so that's not something that I would comment on at this point. I think that Mr. Snowden raised some legitimate concerns. How he did it was something that did not follow the procedures and practices of our intelligence community. If everybody took the approach that I make my own decisions about these issues, then it would be very hard to have an organized government or any kind of national security system.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-us-president-barack-obama-a-1122008.html
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With this premise, Obama cannot pardon Hillary also. Let's see what will happen.
SPIEGEL Interview with US President Barack Obama
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-us-president-barack-obama-a-1122008.html
I thought the Clinton's and Obama's hated each other?
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I thought the Clinton's and Obama's hated each other?
Maybe. But what does that have to do with anything? You doubt that politicians scratch each other's backs just because they hate each other? Shit, they'll cross the aisle to do it. Got to help their own.
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Maybe. But what does that have to do with anything? You doubt that politicians scratch each other's backs just because they hate each other? Shit, they'll cross the aisle to do it. Got to help their own.
Bill and Hillary probably hate each other, probably have hated each other for decades.
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With this premise, Obama cannot pardon Hillary also. Let's see what will happen.
SPIEGEL Interview with US President Barack Obama
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-us-president-barack-obama-a-1122008.html
Interesting. Those comments, coupled with Trump saying he will not prosecute Clinton do make a pardon less likely.
Trump will not pursue charges against Clinton, aide says
Published November 22, 2016
FoxNews.com
President-elect Donald Trump will not pursue charges against Hillary Clinton relating to the Clinton foundation or the former secretary of state’s use of a private email server, former Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Tuesday.
In an interview with MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Conway said that while Clinton “has to face the fact that a majority of Americans don’t find her to be honest and trustworthy,” it would be a good thing if Trump can “help her heal.”
"I think when the President-elect, who's also the head of your party…tells you before he's even inaugurated he doesn't wish to pursue these charges, it sends a very strong message, tone, and content,” she said.
The move is a significant break from Trump’s campaign rhetoric, which included a warning that if he were president he’d get his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate her behavior. In the second presidential debate he quipped to Clinton that if he was president: “you’d be in jail.”
Cries of “lock her up” were a common feature at Trump’s campaign rallies.
Conway also indicated that there were a number of things Trump was looking at as president-elect that may differ from his campaign rhetoric.
“Look, I think he's thinking of many different things as he prepares to become the President of the United States, and things that sound like the campaign aren’t among them," she added.
Trump's decision not to pursue charges against Clinton would not prevent congressional Republicans from opening investigations and referring them to the Justice Department for charges.
Trump expanded on his decision at a meeting with reporters at the New York Times Tuesday afternoon, telling them "I think it would be very very divisive for the country" to prosecute the Clintons, although he hadn't taken it off the table entirely.
Trump says "no" when asked if he is taking investigations off the table for Clintons but adds he doesn't want to "hurt the Clintons."
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
"My inclination would be for whatever power I have on the matter is to say let's go forward.This has been looked at for so long, ad nauseum"
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
"I think it would be very very divisive for the country," Trump says about prosecuting the Clintons.
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/22/trump-will-not-pursue-charges-against-clinton-aide-says.html
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Interesting. Those comments, coupled with Trump saying he will not prosecute Clinton do make a pardon less likely.
Trump will not pursue charges against Clinton, aide says
Published November 22, 2016
FoxNews.com
President-elect Donald Trump will not pursue charges against Hillary Clinton relating to the Clinton foundation or the former secretary of state’s use of a private email server, former Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Tuesday.
In an interview with MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Conway said that while Clinton “has to face the fact that a majority of Americans don’t find her to be honest and trustworthy,” it would be a good thing if Trump can “help her heal.”
"I think when the President-elect, who's also the head of your party…tells you before he's even inaugurated he doesn't wish to pursue these charges, it sends a very strong message, tone, and content,” she said.
The move is a significant break from Trump’s campaign rhetoric, which included a warning that if he were president he’d get his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate her behavior. In the second presidential debate he quipped to Clinton that if he was president: “you’d be in jail.”
Cries of “lock her up” were a common feature at Trump’s campaign rallies.
Conway also indicated that there were a number of things Trump was looking at as president-elect that may differ from his campaign rhetoric.
“Look, I think he's thinking of many different things as he prepares to become the President of the United States, and things that sound like the campaign aren’t among them," she added.
Trump's decision not to pursue charges against Clinton would not prevent congressional Republicans from opening investigations and referring them to the Justice Department for charges.
Trump expanded on his decision at a meeting with reporters at the New York Times Tuesday afternoon, telling them "I think it would be very very divisive for the country" to prosecute the Clintons, although he hadn't taken it off the table entirely.
Trump says "no" when asked if he is taking investigations off the table for Clintons but adds he doesn't want to "hurt the Clintons."
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
"My inclination would be for whatever power I have on the matter is to say let's go forward.This has been looked at for so long, ad nauseum"
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
"I think it would be very very divisive for the country," Trump says about prosecuting the Clintons.
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/22/trump-will-not-pursue-charges-against-clinton-aide-says.html
Extreme disappointment if he does not do anything on this matter. It's not why I voted for him but his big talk on this issue would look pretty bad.
He better pardon anyone remotely close to doing the same thing or it sends a terrible message.
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It is not his job as president, let alone president-elect, to go after political opponents.
That being said, he will not interfere with the DOJ, FBI, or AG if they do pursue to indict Hillary and those associated with the Clinton Foundation.
No need to celebrate, or bitch and moan, yet!
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No need to celebrate, or bitch and moan, yet!
Agree.
So far he has not disappointed in his choices for a cabinet which was a big concern for me with Christie that turned into a big thumbs up/he really is going to try and do what he promised. Not used to Presidents doing that, lol.
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It is not his job as president, let alone president-elect, to go after political opponents.
That being said, he will not interfere with the DOJ, FBI, or AG if they do pursue to indict Hillary and those associated with the Clinton Foundation.
No need to celebrate, or bitch and moan, yet!
Trump said he should be in jail and said numerous times he would prosecute Hillary IF he won.
I knew that and things like the wall were total bull-shit to get his base ginned up.
People on either side often buy into this emotional based crap.
Every successful politician does this and Trump is no different.
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Trump said he should be in jail and said numerous times he would prosecute Hillary IF he won.
I knew that and things like the wall were total bull-shit to get his base ginned up.
People on either side often buy into this emotional based crap.
Every successful politician does this and Trump is no different.
Keep on telling us your accurate theories, oh wise one!
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Keep on telling us your accurate theories, oh wise one!
I have the intellectual wisdom of Jason Genova and the handsome good looks of True Adonis.
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Don't think he should have pardoned him (her).....He (she) committed a flagrant act of espionage and handed over secret information to WikiLeaks...The sentence may have been overly harsh in the first place but I think it sets a bad precedent.....
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Don't think he should have pardoned him (her).....He (she) committed a flagrant act of espionage and handed over secret information to WikiLeaks...The sentence may have been overly harsh in the first place but I think it sets a bad precedent.....
Overly harsh? They used to execute people for treason, seems it got off easy
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Overly harsh? They used to execute people for treason, seems it got off easy
What's that got to do with Manning ?
He was not convicted of treason and also found not guilty of aiding the enemy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2013/07/29/e894a75c-f897-11e2-afc1-c850c6ee5af8_story.html?utm_term=.a717cd22a3fe
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What's that got to do with Manning ?
He was not convicted of treason and also found not guilty of aiding the enemy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2013/07/29/e894a75c-f897-11e2-afc1-c850c6ee5af8_story.html?utm_term=.a717cd22a3fe
OK, they used to execute spies as well
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Don't think he should have pardoned him (her).....He (she) committed a flagrant act of espionage and handed over secret information to WikiLeaks...The sentence may have been overly harsh in the first place but I think it sets a bad precedent.....
Obama didn't pardon him. He commuted his sentence
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OK, they used to execute spies as well
yeah, but mostly we just put them in jail
I don't think Manning even had access to top secret docs. Just classified stuff
Petraeus on the other had gave top secret docs to his mistress and I don't recall him being executed or even spending any time in jail
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Overly harsh? They used to execute people for treason, seems it got off easy
They should execute these "people" who choose to be freaks and weirdos.
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Obama didn't pardon him. He commuted his sentence
It was a fucking 35 year sentence and it still didn't go far enough. He gets out in May. Quit splitting hairs, it was a commute.
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yeah, but mostly we just put them in jail
I don't think Manning even had access to top secret docs. Just classified stuff
Petraeus on the other had gave top secret docs to his mistress and I don't recall him being executed or even spending any time in jail
Fuck Petraeus also
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No pardon for Hillary. I am actually surprised.
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Obama didn't pardon him. He commuted his sentence
you're absolutely right......my bad.....but I still would not have commuted his (her) sentence......but I do think it was harsh....spies don't get that much time
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It was a fucking 35 year sentence and it still didn't go far enough. He gets out in May. Quit splitting hairs, it was a commute.
yes it was a commute, but 35 years is way too long...even foreign spies don't get that long in jail
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Don't think he should have pardoned him (her).....He (she) committed a flagrant act of espionage and handed over secret information to WikiLeaks...The sentence may have been overly harsh in the first place but I think it sets a bad precedent.....
I agree this was disgraceful.
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No pardon for Hillary. I am actually surprised.
I'm not surprised that you're wrong AGAIN.
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I'm not surprised that you're wrong AGAIN.
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