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So I just learned popular vote is not going to determine the president, but rather the votes of only 540 politicians?
And they are not required to vote as their state does, though mostly they do.
I imagine if put under a lot off stress, they may vore against Trump even though he wins.
How come you don't let the people vote through and through? Why the twists and turns?
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That's mob rule. We are a representative republic, so our reps vote for us. Like you said, they vote the way the population votes. I'd imagine they would be problems if they didn't.
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Never understood this whole concept..
How is deciding a presidential election by popular vote so bad they needed to invent the electoral college?
What the heck was the reasoning behind this?
Some person's vote in California should count just as much as some person's vote in Rhode Island no?
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That's mob rule. We are a representative republic, so our reps vote for us. Like you said, they vote the way the population votes. I'd imagine they would be problems if they didn't.
That's right.. you're not a democracy. A lot of people forget that including myself.
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Never understood this whole concept..
How is deciding a presidential election by popular vote so bad they needed to invent the electoral college?
What the heck was the reasoning behind this?
Some person's vote in California should count just as much as some person's vote in Rhode Island no?
It was to ensure that the freed slaves didnt get a fair vote.
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https://twitter.com/lordaedonis/status/796016074231672836
freed slaves not getting a fair vote..LOL
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So I just learned popular vote is not going to determine the president, but rather the votes of only 540 politicians?
And they are not required to vote as their state does, though mostly they do.
I imagine if put under a lot off stress, they may vore against Trump even though he wins.
How come you don't let the people vote through and through? Why the twists and turns?
The US is a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy. (Although the libs are destroying it)
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funny how it doesnt happen the other way...lol
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/some-problems-reported-as-voters-head-to-polls/
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The US is a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy. (Although the libs are destroying it)
Yes, you're right I forgot this.
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We had the same system back in the day.
But it was changed to direct popular vote which is more democratic and less vulnerable to behind-the-curtains meddling.
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Any republican starts out with 1 hand tied behind his/her back that Cali has 55 friggin votes and will always been bread dead liberal sheep
Like a football team spotting someone 55 pts.... not many can overcome that deficit right out of the gate
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So I just learned popular vote is not going to determine the president, but rather the votes of only 540 politicians?
And they are not required to vote as their state does, though mostly they do.
I imagine if put under a lot off stress, they may vore against Trump even though he wins.
How come you don't let the people vote through and through? Why the twists and turns?
Whoa! I didn't know it worked like that.
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Never understood this whole concept..
How is deciding a presidential election by popular vote so bad they needed to invent the electoral college?
What the heck was the reasoning behind this?
Some person's vote in California should count just as much as some person's vote in Rhode Island no?
Of course you don't it's not taught anymore in schools like it was in my day. The Libs would prefer mob rule. Why don't you just educate yourself and look it up. There are tons of sites that explain how the electoral college works and why we have them.
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That's mob rule. We are a representative republic, so our reps vote for us. Like you said, they vote the way the population votes. I'd imagine they would be problems if they didn't.
Exactly. Everyone thinks we are a Democracy...we are a Republic.
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So I just learned popular vote is not going to determine the president, but rather the votes of only 540 politicians?
And they are not required to vote as their state does, though mostly they do.
I imagine if put under a lot off stress, they may vore against Trump even though he wins.
How come you don't let the people vote through and through? Why the twists and turns?
If you just went by popular vote, candidates would just spend time and money in highly populated areas. New York/Cali/Florida/Texas. All the "fly over" States would be left behind and forgotten. All the money would be moved to very highly populated states. Imagine everybody in the US just moving to Cali/Florida and New York. Those places are already dog shit, run into the ground as it is.
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CSWOL is batshit crazy when it comes to 99.9% of the stuff he says, but he is spot on when he says that your vote doesn't matter, it never will, and you have little power to change anything.
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CSWOL is batshit crazy when it comes to 99.9% of the stuff he says, but he is spot on when he says that your vote doesn't matter, it never will, and you have little power to change anything.
It's all an illusion.
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They decide the debt, budget and everything else. Our voices only matter on election day, once they are in office they do what they choose, not us.
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Only electoral college votes count, 538 seantors and state reps... 270 takes it...
Popular vote ::) ::)
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If you just went by popular vote, candidates would just spend time and money in highly populated areas. New York/Cali/Florida/Texas. All the "fly over" States would be left behind and forgotten. All the money would be moved to very highly populated states. Imagine everybody in the US just moving to Cali/Florida and New York. Those places are already dog shit, run into the ground as it is.
EXACTLY! In this election Cali and New York would have disproportionately determined the election.
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CSWOL is batshit crazy when it comes to 99.9% of the stuff he says, but he is spot on when he says that your vote doesn't matter, it never will, and you have little power to change anything.
Doesn't take an idiot to realise that statistically, you're a drop in an ocean and it doesn't matter how educated or how well you study the situation, you can still only make a drop in an ocean's worth of a ripple.
It's a fools errand and a complete waste of time, unless you're going to dedicate even more time to rising above and influencing others.
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Only electoral college votes count, 538 seantors and state reps... 270 takes it...
Popular vote ::) ::)
Yep.
I recall Democrats moaning and groaning for the popular vote choice after the 2000 election. If they (controlling the Presidency and both chambers of congress) wanted to amend the constitution to implement the popular vote, they had two years to do so: 2009-2011.
I don't think any state has signed on to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact since CA, five years ago. It bypasses the will of a state's people and ignores a state's sovereignty - by definition anti-Federalist. If I recall correctly, only blue states have signed on.
You can bet your bottom dollar that, if it was in effect and Trump won the popular vote and Clinton won the EC majority, Democratic governors would be hilariously and pathetically issuing executive orders cancelling adherence to the compact.
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CSWOL is batshit crazy when it comes to 99.9% of the stuff he says, but he is spot on when he says that your vote doesn't matter, it never will, and you have little power to change anything.
It's true that a single individual taken as an isolated event makes any difference in an election. With the exception of a precious few, say: Lincoln, Washington, Jonas Salk, Hitler, even Michael Jackson...; the vast majority of people make zero difference in the world at large.
If SF stopped doing his job, stopped paying taxes, stopped posting on forum -- in fact if he just dropped dead this minute -- it would make zero difference in the world.
But that's not how it works. It's people banding together, influencing the behavior of others, even acting just as an individual "adds up."
Why start a business when one customer won't make a whit of difference? Because it's not just one customer.
It's not just one vote.
A litmus test that is often a fair assessment is to ask oneself, "What if everybody did that?" "What if nobody did that?"
Does SF have a better way to choose out leaders?
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We had the same system back in the day.
But it was changed to direct popular vote which is more democratic and less vulnerable to behind-the-curtains meddling.
Look at the electoral college map and ask yourself what is more represented of America's choice for president.
BTW, where are you from where you choose your leaders by popular vote.
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I'm so lost when it comes to politics and the lingo associated with it.
I do respect ppl that know, in depth at that, the very subject that defines us as a nation. Even ppl from across the pond have a strong understanding of our entire political system.
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If you just went by popular vote, candidates would just spend time and money in highly populated areas. New York/Cali/Florida/Texas. All the "fly over" States would be left behind and forgotten. All the money would be moved to very highly populated states. Imagine everybody in the US just moving to Cali/Florida and New York. Those places are already dog shit, run into the ground as it is.
There would be no Senate either. It was established so less populated states had the same representation as the more populated ones.