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One of the most remarkable things about Trump's campaign was how indefinite so much of what he said was. His campaign promises were like the bible in that they seemed ludicrous, but even believers aren't sure whether or not they were supposed to be taken literally or if they were just powerful storytelling devices. We know nothing about how he'll govern or even if the stuff he claimed to want to do during the election is stuff he ever actually planned on doing. Turns out his inner circle is as in the dark as the rest of us:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-campaign-pledges-20161112-story.html
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*As addressed in another thread, will likely not abolish Obamacare. In the other thread, people are making the argument that any healthcare plan will have similarities to the ACA, but what Trump seems to be saying at the moment is that he just wants to amend it. That is a big difference from what he said on the campaign trail about repealing it.
*Not specific about the wall. Campaign advisor Newt Gingrich claims it was just a campaign device to talk about border security. Another advisor, Rudy Giuliani, claims the wall will be built but there's no timeline.
*Hasn't put any thought into investigating and prosecuting Hillary Clinton. Will be focused on other things.
*Walked back comments about Iran nuclear deal, Chinese tariffs
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So, all of that is not really so surprising. You could argue, given the vagueness of his promises and current statements, there is no disconnect between the two. But here's where reality is starting to settle in. Mitch McConnell is finally admitting that Obama's war on coal was not the major factor in the decline of the coal industry and repealing those regulations is not likely to bring coal jobs back any time soon:
http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article114197923.html
This is pretty significant. For years this has been a huge party talking point and that video has probably been posted on this site at least a hundred times over Obama's last two terms.
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Why do you even try? Seriously? You and the left had your asses handed to you royally. Deal with it. You're posting more bullshit that got you into trouble in the first place. Dude hasn't even been inaugurated yet. You have ZERO arguement. The left has ZERO credibility. Stop, please.
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I'd be upset if I voted for him and he pulled this a day after meeting with the President.
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Why do you even try? Seriously? You and the left had your asses handed to you royally. Deal with it. You're posting more bullshit that got you into trouble in the first place. Dude hasn't even been inaugurated yet. You have ZERO arguement. The left has ZERO credibility. Stop, please.
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In case that emoticon is hard for you to decipher: coming from someone who had daily meltdowns on this board for the last eight years and posted any crap he could find, no matter how pointless or disreputable, the entire post is laughable. Suddenly a candidate you favor wins an election and that means the world stops? Trump promised outlandish things which he seems to be walking back. That IS the argument, you dolt.
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One of the most remarkable things about Trump's campaign was how indefinite so much of what he said was. His campaign promises were like the bible in that they seemed ludicrous, but even believers aren't sure whether or not they were supposed to be taken literally or if they were just powerful storytelling devices. We know nothing about how he'll govern or even if the stuff he claimed to want to do during the election is stuff he ever actually planned on doing. Turns out his inner circle is as in the dark as the rest of us:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-campaign-pledges-20161112-story.html
CLIFFS
*As addressed in another thread, will likely not abolish Obamacare. In the other thread, people are making the argument that any healthcare plan will have similarities to the ACA, but what Trump seems to be saying at the moment is that he just wants to amend it. That is a big difference from what he said on the campaign trail about repealing it.
*Not specific about the wall. Campaign advisor Newt Gingrich claims it was just a campaign device to talk about border security. Another advisor, Rudy Giuliani, claims the wall will be built but there's no timeline.
*Hasn't put any thought into investigating and prosecuting Hillary Clinton. Will be focused on other things.
*Walked back comments about Iran nuclear deal, Chinese tariffs
If he iant going to do anyjing different then what are you complaining about? shut up, enjoy and go away.
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If he iant going to do anyjing different then what are you complaining about? shut up, enjoy and go away.
Where did it or I say he iant goint to do anyjing different? The point is he's still being cagey on vague, illogical campaign promises that many believed in. There's still plenty of room to do things differently and worse, but that wasn't the point. As for complaining? I'll find it hilarious when none of this ridiculous comes to fruition.
On a side note, you're the one who should suck a dick and get lost. This is my thread. ;)
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Why do you even try? Seriously? You and the left had your asses handed to you royally. Deal with it. You're posting more bullshit that got you into trouble in the first place. Dude hasn't even been inaugurated yet. You have ZERO arguement. The left has ZERO credibility. Stop, please.
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This, from the same writer. What a loser. Look at all his articles at the Washington Post. Dude spent the whole campaign with his face serving as Hillary's seat cushion. The guy was up Hillary's ass the way Al was up Kai's Towel.
As Trump stumbles, Clinton weighs a striking choice: Expand the map or stick to the plan - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-stumbles-clinton-weighs-a-striking-choice-expand-the-map-or-stick-to-the-plan/2016/10/16/f0f77470-93a7-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html
"Clinton aides said they see advantages to running up the score in the electoral college, where 270 votes wins the White House. Victories in unexpected places could boost that total, handing her more of a mandate come January and decreasing the potency of Trump’s complaints of a “rigged” election."
"Running up the score" Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
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Al doggity is racist towards whites
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Al doggity is racist towards whites
Al will never admit it, but this loss stung worse than the time he got Grapefruit juice in his eye at the Kai Greene One Man Show.
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WE WILL BUILD A GREAT WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER..... AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL... 100% PEOPLE.... if he does nothing else, he will build that fuckin wall.
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This, from the same writer. What a loser. Look at all his articles at the Washington Post. Dude spent the whole campaign with his face serving as Hillary's seat cushion. The guy was up Hillary's ass the way Al was up Kai's Towel.
As Trump stumbles, Clinton weighs a striking choice: Expand the map or stick to the plan - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-stumbles-clinton-weighs-a-striking-choice-expand-the-map-or-stick-to-the-plan/2016/10/16/f0f77470-93a7-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html
"Clinton aides said they see advantages to running up the score in the electoral college, where 270 votes wins the White House. Victories in unexpected places could boost that total, handing her more of a mandate come January and decreasing the potency of Trump’s complaints of a “rigged” election."
"Running up the score" Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Very interesting that the same guys use the same sources that are still the same biased "news" as exposed by wikileaks. They continue to want to be blindsided.
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the same people that said he would never get elected are now making more predictions, lol.
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Very interesting that the same guys use the same sources that are still the same biased "news" as exposed by wikileaks. They continue to want to be blindsided.
I read pretty much all of the Wikileaks emails between John Harwood (CNBC) and John Podesta (DNC).
In one, Harwood asks how he should question Jeb Bush. In another, he's congratulating Podesta on how well Hillary came across. They're always going out to lunch and dinner together.
Had I not known their relationship beforehand, I would've thought they were co workers working together on the Hillary campaign. Essentially, they were.
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Trump made a lot of promises, as every person campaigning does. Now that he is going to be president, the reality sets in.
Obviously, many things he said are not going to happen, BUT a lot of them will start.
1) Building a wall. Since this is a process started in 2006, and 680 miles of it has been built, this will restart and and least in the populous areas, this wall will continue being built. In other places, drone technology, laser walls, and innovate processes will be researched and set up.
2) Obamacare. Everyone knows this is a disaster, but it has its good things too. The key it to find something in the middle ground. Repeal this crap, and bring something that will satisfy many of us. Two months ago, we received a 25.8% raise, which is fucked up. That needs to go.
3) Supreme Court Nominee - here is the biggest issue. Trump needs to put a moderate Republican candidate there, not a die hard one that will hurt all of us. I am not a right to life person, BUT having two kids, I agree that you need at least a 20 week or four month window before you cannot have an abortion (unless the mom is in danger). From experience, having that option is a necessity.
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Al doggity is racist towards whites
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Trump made a lot of promises, as every person campaigning does. Now that he is going to be president, the reality sets in.
Obviously, many things he said are not going to happen, BUT a lot of them will start.
1) Building a wall. Since this is a process started in 2006, and 680 miles of it has been built, this will restart and and least in the populous areas, this wall will continue being built. In other places, drone technology, laser walls, and innovate processes will be researched and set up.
2) Obamacare. Everyone knows this is a disaster, but it has its good things too. The key it to find something in the middle ground. Repeal this crap, and bring something that will satisfy many of us. Two months ago, we received a 25.8% raise, which is fucked up. That needs to go.
3) Supreme Court Nominee - here is the biggest issue. Trump needs to put a moderate Republican candidate there, not a die hard one that will hurt all of us. I am not a right to life person, BUT having two kids, I agree that you need at least a 20 week or four month window before you cannot have an abortion (unless the mom is in danger). From experience, having that option is a necessity.
1) Ground sensors, drones and laser wall use can be expanded in place of a physical wall. Obviously more agents with new technology would be required.
2)Obamacare is horrible!! If Trump and co. can keep some good parts that's great, but the fines have got to go, worst idea ever, forcing people to buy a product against their will? Ridiculous!
3)As long as the nominee will work to protect our 2nd Amendment rights against the Commiefornia government, I'll be fine. They act like you're a damn criminal when you're legally buying a gun.
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Al will never admit it, but this loss stung worse than the time he got Grapefruit juice in his eye at the Kai Greene One Man Show.
This doesn't make sense. Your boyfriend posted a pic of Kai and now you're trying to reframe it as me being in love with Kai. Just as you're trying to reframe this post from "Will Trump actually do what he promised?" to "bitter loser liberals never learn?" ::) Presidents I haven't liked have been elected before. You have had to live through the last eight years with a president you didn't like. Where this idea that a surprising victory of a candidate I didn't support means he's beyond judgement comes from is beyond me. But I guess it would make sense to someone who believes my real life opinion of myself should be affected by what strangers on internet forums think about me.
For the record, I never said Trump couldn't win the presidency. In fact, months before he officially became the republican candidate, I started a thread on here asking how it would change the republican party if he won the nomination. You can pretend you don't see what's happening, but already it's pretty clear that expectations are being reigned in and managed.
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expectations are being reigned in and managed.
As happens after every election.
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Trump made a lot of promises, as every person campaigning does. Now that he is going to be president, the reality sets in.
Obviously, many things he said are not going to happen, BUT a lot of them will start.
1) Building a wall. Since this is a process started in 2006, and 680 miles of it has been built, this will restart and and least in the populous areas, this wall will continue being built. In other places, drone technology, laser walls, and innovate processes will be researched and set up.
2) Obamacare. Everyone knows this is a disaster, but it has its good things too. The key it to find something in the middle ground. Repeal this crap, and bring something that will satisfy many of us. Two months ago, we received a 25.8% raise, which is fucked up. That needs to go.
3) Supreme Court Nominee - here is the biggest issue. Trump needs to put a moderate Republican candidate there, not a die hard one that will hurt all of us. I am not a right to life person, BUT having two kids, I agree that you need at least a 20 week or four month window before you cannot have an abortion (unless the mom is in danger). From experience, having that option is a necessity.
Nice try, Ron, but even his own team doesn't agree that the wall is going to be built. He claimed that one of his first 100 day goals was to decrease of freeze federal hiring, but federal employee levels are currently at the lowest rates since the 60s. So it would seem like the building of the wall and the security required to go along with it would run counter to that.
As for replacing Obamacare, nice memory. Republicans had so many great alternative ideas to the ACA. ::) Yeah, they're really going to slap something effective together in 100 days.
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As happens after every election.
Very few candidates makes such bombastic promises. A large part of his appeal was that he was perceived as being anti-establishment and not willing to compromise. There is a notable difference here.
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Very few candidates makes such bombastic promises. A large part of his appeal was that he was perceived as being anti-establishment and not willing to compromise. There is a notable difference here.
That's why Mexico wants to negotiate on the wall? Mexicao and Canada are willing to relook at NAFTA. Russia and Isreal want to reestablish positive ties to the US....Killary was already talking about war with Russia. Is that what you want for our country?
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As for replacing Obamacare, nice memory. Republicans had so many great alternative ideas to the ACA. ::) Yeah, they're really going to slap something effective together in 100 days.
Obamacare got past the Supreme Court challenge, by declaring it a tax, not the forced socialist program that it is. So, repeal the Obamacare Tax, and let the people who want insurance to go out and buy it, or pay for their medical needs out of their own pockets. The shit excuses, for people who don't want to buy their own insurance, or pay their own way, should be told to literally drop dead, and stop polluting the gene pool. Caring about shit excuses for real people, just gets you more shit excuses for people.
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The same people saying he never had a chance are the same ones saying he won't build a wall or abolish obamacare. Why should we start listening to them now?
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Sounds like people are still getting their talking points from the MSM and liberal news rags.
Sad! They weren't right before, why would they be right now?
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The same people saying he never had a chance are the same ones saying he won't build a wall or abolish obamacare. Why should we start listening to them now?
They're also the same people who can't accept losing, having previously accused Trump supporters of not being able to accept losing.
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They're also the same people who can't accept losing, having previously accused Trump supporters of not being able to accept losing.
"Trump will ruin this country!"
As they go on to burn down and destroy their cities.
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Sounds like people are still getting their talking points from the MSM and liberal news rags.
Sad! They weren't right before, why would they be right now?
I truly believe the MSM needs to be investigated by Congress.
Trump was drawing 10k three times a day all across the country, and not a peep from the MSM. Meanwhile, 3k protesters on a Saturday night in NYC is front page news.
Newt was on Hannity daily saying the media was complicit in a cover up of Hillary's activities. Now, he's in a position to do something about it.
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"Trump will ruin this country!"
As they go on to burn down and destroy their cities.
No, Trump and company will ruin the Leftists idea of what they think the country should be.
They had 8 years to try and drag the country to the Left, but we weren't buying.
Harping on the popular vote is a joke. What's the excuse for Congress and the Senate? They didn't win that either. Even in NY, a Leftist, Zephyr Teachout, got beat badly. I saw Huffpo say it was a tight race but the % was 55/45. Sorry girls, that's not tight.
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In case that emoticon is hard for you to decipher: coming from someone who had daily meltdowns on this board for the last eight years and posted any crap he could find, no matter how pointless or disreputable, the entire post is laughable. Suddenly a candidate you favor wins an election and that means the world stops? Trump promised outlandish things which he seems to be walking back. That IS the argument, you dolt.
As you know Al, I voted for Hillary and am pretty much a down the middle independent .
In my observation is comes down to basic tolerance vs full embrace of many cultural issues.
The gay rainbow lighting of the White House, was too "in your face" for many folks.
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As you know Al, I voted for Hillary and am pretty much a down the middle independent .
In my observation is comes down to basic tolerance vs full embrace of many cultural issues.
The gay rainbow lighting of the White House, was too "in your face" for many folks.
It wasn't that big of an "in your face" moment, but the fact that the White House didn't really respond to the Dallas Police massacre kinda was a slap in the face to Americans.
The Obama admin had no issue quickly getting behind Baltimore protests, gays, Black Lives Matter, etc.
It took a while, if I remember correctly, for the White House to even acknowledge the whole "Blue Lives Matter" movement thing, and that's the shit people don't appreciate