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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sarah-palin-crony-capitalism-carrier_us_58420349e4b017f37fe4c443
Tea party standard-bearer Sarah Palin, under consideration to join Donald Trump’s cabinet, has just blasted the tax deal the president-elect negotiated with Carrier, condemning it as “crony capitalism.”
Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence helped arrange $7 million in Indiana tax breaks over 10 years for Carrier in exchange for the company’s promise to keep about 800 of 1,400 jobs in the U.S. instead of moving them to Mexico. In addition, Trump threatened to impose a stiff tariff on Carrier products if they sent all of the work across the border.
“Republicans oppose this, remember?” Palin wrote in an op-ed Friday on the Young Conservatives website. “Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.
“A business must have freedom to locate where it wishes,” the piece continued. “In a free market, if a business makes a mistake (including a marketing mistake that perhaps Carrier executives made), threatening to move elsewhere claiming efficiency’s sake, then the market’s invisible hand punishes. Thankfully, that same hand rewards, based on good business decisions.”
She warned that “picking and choosing” which company darlings receive “corporate welfare” is a “hallmark of corruption” and “socialism.”
A “$20 trillion debt-ridden country can’t afford this sinfully stupid practice, so vigilantly guard against its continuance, or we’re doomed,” she urged.
Palin left wiggle room in the piece for Trump to redeem himself. “Gotta have faith that the Trump team knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if details of the deal prove her wrong once they’re publicly released.
In a bit of cognitive dissonance, Palin also said she was “ecstatic” for Carrier workers. “What a relief for hundreds of workers. Merry Christmas Indiana!” she gushed.
Palin is hardly the only “free market” Republican disturbed by the deal. The Wall Street Journal issued its own op-ed Thursday called “Trump’s Carrier Shakedown” noting that real job security depends on a company’s strength in the marketplace.
“If the extra costs of staying in Indianapolis erode that business, those workers will lose their jobs eventually in any case,” the Journal warned, adding: “Workers don’t prosper when politicians force companies to make noneconomic decisions.”
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has also attacked Trump’s deal, saying it signals to corporations that they can get significant tax breaks as long as they threaten to export jobs.
Despite the deal, Carrier is still shifting some production to Mexico, and at least 600 Carrier positions will be cut. Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, will also move ahead with closing a separate Indiana plant and laying off 700 workers.
The union at the Carrier factory was cut out of negotiations to save their jobs, Chuck Jones, president of the local chapter of the United Steelworkers union that represents the plant, told The Huffington Post.
There was no immediate reaction from Trump on the criticisms from Palin or the Journal.
He has touted the deal and this week did a victory tour of the Indianapolis factory
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It's definitely a progressive type move. More of a move for his image than anything. I'd rather 7 million tax dollars go to save American jobs than 1.7 billion to Iran for a hostage situation.
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It's definitely a progressive type move. More of a move for his image than anything. I'd rather 7 million tax dollars go to save American jobs than 1.7 billion to Iran for a hostage situation.
The deal is great for United Technologies and the families of the employees who get to keep their jobs . Aside from that the deal is terrible.
Half of the Carrier employees will lose their jobs which are still going to Mexico. Carrier gets a tax break and won't be subject to any tariffs on their Mexican products.
United Technologies is sure to be awarded future gov't contracts and Indiana loses out on tax dollars.
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The deal is great for United Technologies and the families of the employees who get to keep their jobs . Aside from that the deal is terrible.
Half of the Carrier employees will lose their jobs which are still going to Mexico. Carrier gets a tax break and won't be subject to any tariffs on their Mexican products.
United Technologies is sure to be awarded future gov't contracts and Indiana loses out on tax dollars.
I don't care, I want to WIN.
Republican victories in '18, '20 and '22.
If some bullshit little move like this is what it takes to make headlines then so be it.
The key is always to WIN and expose and demoralize and trivialize the Left at every opportunity possible.
Steve Bannon has his fingerprints all over this masterpiece of a political move.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sarah-palin-crony-capitalism-carrier_us_58420349e4b017f37fe4c443
Tea party standard-bearer Sarah Palin, under consideration to join Donald Trump’s cabinet, has just blasted the tax deal the president-elect negotiated with Carrier, condemning it as “crony capitalism.”
Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence helped arrange $7 million in Indiana tax breaks over 10 years for Carrier in exchange for the company’s promise to keep about 800 of 1,400 jobs in the U.S. instead of moving them to Mexico. In addition, Trump threatened to impose a stiff tariff on Carrier products if they sent all of the work across the border.
“Republicans oppose this, remember?” Palin wrote in an op-ed Friday on the Young Conservatives website. “Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.
“A business must have freedom to locate where it wishes,” the piece continued. “In a free market, if a business makes a mistake (including a marketing mistake that perhaps Carrier executives made), threatening to move elsewhere claiming efficiency’s sake, then the market’s invisible hand punishes. Thankfully, that same hand rewards, based on good business decisions.”
She warned that “picking and choosing” which company darlings receive “corporate welfare” is a “hallmark of corruption” and “socialism.”
A “$20 trillion debt-ridden country can’t afford this sinfully stupid practice, so vigilantly guard against its continuance, or we’re doomed,” she urged.
Palin left wiggle room in the piece for Trump to redeem himself. “Gotta have faith that the Trump team knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if details of the deal prove her wrong once they’re publicly released.
In a bit of cognitive dissonance, Palin also said she was “ecstatic” for Carrier workers. “What a relief for hundreds of workers. Merry Christmas Indiana!” she gushed.
Palin is hardly the only “free market” Republican disturbed by the deal. The Wall Street Journal issued its own op-ed Thursday called “Trump’s Carrier Shakedown” noting that real job security depends on a company’s strength in the marketplace.
“If the extra costs of staying in Indianapolis erode that business, those workers will lose their jobs eventually in any case,” the Journal warned, adding: “Workers don’t prosper when politicians force companies to make noneconomic decisions.”
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has also attacked Trump’s deal, saying it signals to corporations that they can get significant tax breaks as long as they threaten to export jobs.
Despite the deal, Carrier is still shifting some production to Mexico, and at least 600 Carrier positions will be cut. Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, will also move ahead with closing a separate Indiana plant and laying off 700 workers.
The union at the Carrier factory was cut out of negotiations to save their jobs, Chuck Jones, president of the local chapter of the United Steelworkers union that represents the plant, told The Huffington Post.
There was no immediate reaction from Trump on the criticisms from Palin or the Journal.
He has touted the deal and this week did a victory tour of the Indianapolis factory
Palin left wiggle room in the piece for Trump to redeem himself. “Gotta have faith that the Trump team knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if m knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if details of the deal prove her wrong once they’re publicly released.
Vince, you moron....that is hardly "blasting" the deal.
For chrissakes, it is a Huffington Post piece of shit hit piece on anything Trump does
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Palin left wiggle room in the piece for Trump to redeem himself. “Gotta have faith that the Trump team knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if m knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if details of the deal prove her wrong once they’re publicly released.
Vince, you moron....that is hardly "blasting" the deal.
For chrissakes, it is a Huffington Post piece of shit hit piece on anything Trump does
Shut the fuck up and stop sugarcoating this. Sarah Palin is pretty clear on what she said and what she meant. She doesn't like the deal....period
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Palin left wiggle room in the piece for Trump to redeem himself. “Gotta have faith that the Trump team knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if m knows all of this,” she wrote hopefully, and promised to be the first to dismiss concerns if details of the deal prove her wrong once they’re publicly released.
Vince, you moron....that is hardly "blasting" the deal.
For chrissakes, it is a Huffington Post piece of shit hit piece on anything Trump does
At some point hardcore right Conservatives need to come to the realization that they cannot win national elections.
They should be mocked for taking a stand SOLELY upon their loser beliefs.
Stand up and even overextend yourself for the blue collar working man. Welcome the LGBTQ community with open arms. Be reasonable with abortion rights.
Have a reasonable front man with this type of message and you will win elections for the next 20 to 30 to 50 years.
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Shut the fuck up and stop sugarcoating this. Sarah Palin is pretty clear on what she said and what she meant. She doesn't like the deal....period
Who fucking cares what Sarah Palin thinks? She's like John McCain, she has no filter between her brain and her mouth. Trump's Carrier deal is EXACTLY more of what this country needs.
And it is a great big Republican dick up Blowjobama's accomplish-nothing ass!
So go fuck yourself you $10.55/HR baboon. You talk about jobs and the economy like you actually know more than minimum wage for menial grunt work. Bitch, it is people like you who should be welcoming Trump with open arms and denouncing Obama for what he has done to the chronically lazy and stupid black community.
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I don't care, I want to WIN.
Republican victories in '18, '20 and '22.
If some bullshit little move like this is what it takes to make headlines then so be it.
The key is always to WIN and expose and demoralize and trivialize the Left at every opportunity possible.
Steve Bannon has his fingerprints all over this masterpiece of a political move.
As opposed to doing whats best for the country?
Yeah, some patriot.
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At some point hardcore right Conservatives need to come to the realization that they cannot win national elections.
They should be mocked for taking a stand SOLELY upon their loser beliefs.
Stand up and even overextend yourself for the blue collar working man. Welcome the LGBTQ community with open arms. Be reasonable with abortion rights.
Have a reasonable front man with this type of message and you will win elections for the next 20 to 30 to 50 years.
If it weren't for the Tea Party, we wouldn't have Harry Reid.
Reid's Super PAC funded elections in NJ (and other states) targeted elections and were successful.
I laid out evidence of such for a known Tea Party"conservative" in my area and explained that he must not ever want to win elections. His response was completely honest, but shocking. That he'd rather have a flaming liberal in office than a RINO (Republican in name only).
My retort was that I would rather have half a piece of cake than no cake at all.
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Who fucking cares what Sarah Palin thinks? She's like John McCain, she has no filter between her brain and her mouth. Trump's Carrier deal is EXACTLY more of what this country needs.
And it is a great big Republican dick up Blowjobama's accomplish-nothing ass!
So go fuck yourself you $10.55/HR baboon. You talk about jobs and the economy like you actually know more than minimum wage for menial grunt work. Bitch, it is people like you who should be welcoming Trump with open arms and denouncing Obama for what he has done to the chronically lazy and stupid black community.
You don't seem to get it so let me spell it out for you, you dum honky. By Trump's actions, he's letting companies know that all they have to do is to threaten to export jobs in order to get tax breaks which is what Carrier did....and still sent over 700 jobs to Mexico anyway.
The only thing that's chronically lazy is you and your momma. Use some fucking common sense and stop sucking Trump's dick ignoring facts
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You don't seem to get it so let me spell it out for you, you dum honky. By Trump's actions, he's letting companies know that all they have to do is to threaten to export jobs in order to get tax breaks which is what Carrier did....and still sent over 700 jobs to Mexico anyway.
The only thing that's chronically lazy is you and your momma. Use some fucking common sense and stop sucking Trump's dick ignoring facts
I would rather see money spent on tax breaks for companies and jobs than more welfare for lazy, shiftless blacks.
But talking economics with you is like trying to teach an elephant to knit.
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As opposed to doing whats best for the country?
Yeah, some patriot.
What has the left done in the last eight years (50 years) that was best for this country?
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I would rather see money spent on tax breaks for companies and jobs than more welfare for lazy, shiftless blacks.
But talking economics with you is like trying to teach an elephant to knit.
You don't even realize how little is actually spent on welfare. Of course, only a tard like you would think that welfare is for black people....as well as having even functioning brain cells to realize that these companies that are getting tax breaks are using the money to ship jobs to Mexico and overseas.
But keep thinking that way...... ;D
(http://i0.wp.com/quietmike.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/trickle-down-economics.jpg)
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You don't even realize how little is actually spent on welfare. Of course, only a tard like you would think that welfare is for black people....as well as having even functioning brain cells to realize that these companies that are getting tax breaks are using the money to ship jobs to Mexico and overseas.
But keep thinking that way...... ;D
(http://i0.wp.com/quietmike.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/trickle-down-economics.jpg)
Sure, $1 trillion for welfare is nothing, not to a financial titan like you.....if that's the case, the government should end it and let society's leaches go out and earn a living for once in their pathetic lives.....fucking idiot.
Chimpbama couldn't save a job or create a one that wasn't a menial $10/HR high school dropout job. You know, the seasonal retard type shit jobs that you've spent your adult life working in.
Keeping Carrier jobs here and implementing the 35% tax for companies that go offshore or outsource is a good first step and Sarah Palin is an idiot for criticizing it when she admits she knows none of the facts behind the deal! Melvin, you don't have a clue....your focus is on the minutiae, the shit jobs any chimp could do. The fact is 100% of everything you've claimed about work, finances, or wealth management has been TOTAL bullshit.
Your life goal is to earn enough (or scam enough) to live in a mobile home....your dream of paradise is actually squalor
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At some point hardcore right Conservatives need to come to the realization that they cannot win national elections.
They should be mocked for taking a stand SOLELY upon their loser beliefs.
Stand up and even overextend yourself for the blue collar working man. Welcome the LGBTQ community with open arms. Be reasonable with abortion rights.
Have a reasonable front man with this type of message and you will win elections for the next 20 to 30 to 50 years.
What are you going on about? Being politically conservative is not all about those issues. Conservatism involves wise fiscal actions as well, etc.
You're not exposing the left if you do dumb things with our economy as well. Not saying he has as we don't know everything about the deal yet.
I hardly find it a loser belief to prevent murder, though.
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Sure, $1 trillion for welfare is nothing, not to a financial titan like you.....if that's the case, the government should end it and let society's leaches go out and earn a living for once in their pathetic lives.....fucking idiot.
Chimpbama couldn't save a job or create a one that wasn't a menial $10/HR high school dropout job. You know, the seasonal retard type shit jobs that you've spent your adult life working in.
Keeping Carrier jobs here and implementing the 35% tax for companies that go offshore or outsource is a good first step and Sarah Palin is an idiot for criticizing it when she admits she knows none of the facts behind the deal! Melvin, you don't have a clue....your focus is on the minutiae, the shit jobs any chimp could do. The fact is 100% of everything you've claimed about work, finances, or wealth management has been TOTAL bullshit.
Your life goal is to earn enough (or scam enough) to live in a mobile home....your dream of paradise is actually squalor
Someone should curb stomp your face in....there's no 1 trillion in welfare you stupid bastard. Where you get that load of shit from
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Someone should curb stomp your face in....there's no 1 trillion in welfare you stupid bastard. Where you get that load of shit from
You retarded ugly baboon, the government spent over $1 trillion dollars in welfare programs last year.
Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking spastic simpleton, it is no wonder you work for $10.00/HR and run scam websites.
I'm 100% sure your entire family lives on government handouts, WIC cheese, and glory hole load.
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You retarded ugly baboon, the government spent over $1 trillion dollars in welfare programs last year.
Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking spastic simpleton, it is no wonder you work for $10.00/HR and run scam websites.
I'm 100% sure your entire family lives on government handouts, WIC cheese, and glory hole load.
Most of those stats included are things like public libaries. The actual amount that somewhat is only 212 billion, asswipe. I swear that I want to stab your eyeball out
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Most of those stats included are things like public libaries. The actual amount that somewhat is only 212 billion, asswipe. I swear that I want to stab your eyeball out
So you have no fucking clue and just google a liberal Washington post article that focuses on cash and cash-like programs? You don't even understand the definition of welfare - you fucking spastic puddle of mud.
You really are a dumb son of a cum guzzling whore.
Getting back to the original point....Sarah Palin can shut her fucking mouth until she accomplishes something other than spitting out white trash kids. Trumps saving of jobs in Pence's home state is a HUGE fuck you to Obama and the Dems. His 35% tax for companies that go off-shore is even bigger.
But what the fuck would you know....you've never made more than a few bucks an hour over minimum wage.
Fuck you and your "land in Texas" you bullshitting oxidized pile of week old diarrhea
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Shut the fuck up and stop sugarcoating this. Sarah Palin is pretty clear on what she said and what she meant. She doesn't like the deal....period
Palin is a dingbat and doesn't know shit
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Palin is a dingbat and doesn't know shit
Cant argue that but in this case she may accidentally have a point. Corporate welfare is a huge problem and this "deal" was corporate welfare
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You don't seem to get it so let me spell it out for you, you dum honky. By Trump's actions, he's letting companies know that all they have to do is to threaten to export jobs in order to get tax breaks which is what Carrier did....and still sent over 700 jobs to Mexico anyway.
The only thing that's chronically lazy is you and your momma. Use some fucking common sense and stop sucking Trump's dick ignoring facts
That's what I was thinking too. There is no bright line rule on exporting jobs to other countries. I think this was a pawn move to show that he is actively involved in stepping in when a company attempts a move of this sort, as after he made the Carrier deal he made a comment on a tariff rate of 45% for companies exporting then importing from other countries.
Otherwise like you're saying this could just lead to companies extorting the government for handouts for threatening to leave....which is what actually goes on at the state level (California - movies, Louisiana - manufacturing, oil).
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Anyone got that cool picture of the liner of a Trump signature suit that says "Made in Mexico"? :)
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Anyone got that cool picture of the liner of a Trump signature suit that says "Made in Mexico"? :)
Right Here Chief (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/12/06/trump-softbank-invest-50b-us-create-50000-jobs/95050926/)
EDIT: In before you claim something about Hillary
HOW COME WE NEVER HEARD SHIT LIKE THIS FROM MR. "JOB KING" OBAMA?
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/06/trump-tax-plan-could-cost-bank-america-44-billion.html (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/06/trump-tax-plan-could-cost-bank-america-44-billion.html)
Most of what the incoming Trump administration has proposed in terms of economic and regulatory policies would be a boon for big banks, but there is one policy that cuts both ways: Trump's desire to lower the corporate tax rate. According to one of the nation's leading bank analysts, Keefe, Bruyette & Wood's Brian Kleinhanzl, the move could reduce Bank of America's (NYSE: BAC) tangible book value by $4.4 billion.
Under ordinary circumstances, this is obviously a good thing. The less companies have to pay to the government, the more left over for shareholders. And over the long run, it'll be good for Bank of America as well. However, thanks to a combination of the financial crisis and a specific provision in the tax laws, there's a short-term downside to lower corporate taxes from the North Carolina-based bank's perspective.
The downside can be traced to $33.3 billion worth of deferred tax assets that currently sit on Bank of America's balance sheet (see page 225 of its 2015 10-K here). These relate to losses incurred in the financial crisis that were too large to be absorbed by its income at the time. Under tax law, these can be carried forward in the form of deferred tax assets and used to offset its tax liability in future years.
The catch is that the deferred tax assets must be used within a certain amount of time. The statute of limitations for domestic deferred tax assets is 20 years. It's half that for those that offset foreign income, according to regulatory filings by Bank of America's close competitor Citigroup.
By lowering the tax rate, in turn, these assets become less valuable, as future tax liabilities will accordingly shrink. Even more importantly, it calls into question whether Bank of America will have time to use the entirety of its deferred tax assets before they expire.
The answer to this remains to be seen. After all, we still don't know whether the corporate tax rate will in fact fall, much less when exactly it might do so.But if it were to happen, KBW's Kleinhanzl predicts that it would cause the value of Bank of America's deferred tax assets to drop by $6.6 billion. When you net that against the positive impact of a lower tax rate on certain of Bank of America's liabilities, it means that the the bank's tangible book value would decline by $4.4 billion, according to KBW's analysis. :o :o :o
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What are you going on about? Being politically conservative is not all about those issues. Conservatism involves wise fiscal actions as well, etc.
You're not exposing the left if you do dumb things with our economy as well. Not saying he has as we don't know everything about the deal yet.
I hardly find it a loser belief to prevent murder, though.
Eventually you will understand how this game is played.
Quit nitpicking the insignificant bullshit.
Trump summed up the abortion issue the best "Leave it up to The States"
Done. Now lets get back to WINNING.
Let the Liberals do all the infighting and get forced into extinction.
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Eventually you will understand how this game is played.
Quit nitpicking the insignificant bullshit.
Trump summed up the abortion issue the best "Leave it up to The States"
Done. Now lets get back to WINNING.
Let the Liberals do all the infighting and get forced into extinction.
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Once again, your post had nothing to do with what was going on in the thread. Noone was posting about abortion/gays, etc.
Its not "winning" if you spend, etc. like liberals if this becomes the case.
A vast amount of conservatives voted for Trump simply because of the supreme court. Without them he would not have won.
If "winning" means becoming like the liberals, thats not a "winning" I want. That is what your post appeared to me. Not saying that is what you meant to convey as I agree with a lot of your other posts from what I've seen.
Noone was nitpicking anything, so to throw that out there was off base, imo.
Leaving the majority of things up to the states is a conservative idea.
Also, being against murder is not a loser belief no matter how much the sugarcoating is. If you truly think that is "insignificant" then you are already "liberalized" with your ideologies in that way. He has gone a bit back and forth on this issue already yet conservatives still came out and voted for him.
However, you don't just sit back and say, "Okay, Boss", etc. if there is something that is not right just because someone has "Republican" next to their name.
It appears that most of the real "infighting" comes from liberal republicans like McConnell, McCain, Ryan, etc. who do not want a return to more politically conservative ideas.
Trumps campaign was much more politically conservative then both of his predecessors (McCain and Romney) and he won because he pushed a lot of conservative ideas.
It is a liberal idea to not be able to disagree with someone on a particular issue and to not have your own ideas/beliefs. They are sheep of a like mind in all areas or beaten psychologically until they simply follow what they are told is true/right. That is what I see promoted in what you just posted.
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Once again, your post had nothing to do with what was going on in the thread. Noone was posting about abortion/gays, etc.
Its not "winning" if you spend, etc. like liberals if this becomes the case.
A vast amount of conservatives voted for Trump simply because of the supreme court. Without them he would not have won.
If "winning" means becoming like the liberals, thats not a "winning" I want. That is what your post appeared to me. Not saying that is what you meant to convey as I agree with a lot of your other posts from what I've seen.
Noone was nitpicking anything, so to throw that out there was off base, imo.
Leaving the majority of things up to the states is a conservative idea.
Also, being against murder is not a loser belief no matter how much the sugarcoating is. If you truly think that is "insignificant" then you are already "liberalized" with your ideologies in that way. He has gone a bit back and forth on this issue already yet conservatives still came out and voted for him.
However, you don't just sit back and say, "Okay, Boss", etc. if there is something that is not right just because someone has "Republican" next to their name.
It appears that most of the real "infighting" comes from liberal republicans like McConnell, McCain, Ryan, etc. who do not want a return to more politically conservative ideas.
Trumps campaign was much more politically conservative then both of his predecessors (McCain and Romney) and he won because he pushed a lot of conservative ideas.
It is a liberal idea to not be able to disagree with someone on a particular issue and to not have your own ideas/beliefs. They are sheep of a like mind in all areas or beaten psychologically until they simply follow what they are told is true/right. That is what I see promoted in what you just posted.
Trump won because he knew how to win The Rust Belt. Something that had not been done since the 80's.