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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt on December 10, 2016, 08:57:16 PM
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To me, Ronnie Coleman remains the greatest professional bodybuilder of all time. At their best, other bodybuilders may have been extremely good too, but to me, Ronnie is the clear GOAT.
That being said - and not to be disparaging - I am a little concerned about Ronnie's health, both physical and mental. Is there some reason why he feels the need to still be so intense at a time in his life when the most intense exercise he should be doing is perhaps speed-walking? In an interview with Dave Palumbo that featured Victor Martinez, Ronnie said he was using painkillers - possibly morphine, but I can't recall if that was specified - and he additionally said the drugs were not even working for his pain. Is it safe to say that Ronnie has - and possibly always had - body dysmorphia disorder?
Lastly, relatively speaking, how safe are opiates? Perhaps they are not damaging Ronnie to the extent that I initially assumed.
- Matt C
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Lastly, relatively speaking, how safe are opiates? Perhaps they are not damaging Ronnie to the extent that I initially assumed.
- Matt C
I don't think they are toxic or very damaging physically. The problem is addiction and overdosing. The non-narcotic painkillers really are the real organ killers, but otoh you don't risk addiction.
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To me, Ronnie Coleman remains the greatest professional bodybuilder of all time. At their best, other bodybuilders may have been extremely good too, but to me, Ronnie is the clear GOAT.
That being said - and not to be disparaging - I am a little concerned about Ronnie's health, both physical and mental. Is there some reason why he feels the need to still be so intense at a time in his life when the most intense exercise he should be doing is perhaps speed-walking? In an interview with Dave Palumbo that featured Victor Martinez, Ronnie said he was using painkillers - possibly morphine, but I can't recall if that was specified - and he additionally said the drugs were not even working for his pain. Is it safe to say that Ronnie has - and possibly always had - body dysmorphia disorder?
Lastly, relatively speaking, how safe are opiates? Perhaps they are not damaging Ronnie to the extent that I initially assumed.
- Matt C
Um, pretty sure 99% of competitive bodybuilders also have this disorder.
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Ronnie is definitely hitting the painkillers hard. I've brought this up before, yeah it is a bit concerning I guess.
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I don't think they are toxic or very damaging physically. The problem is addiction and overdosing. The non-narcotic painkillers really are the real organ killers, but otoh you don't risk addiction.
I think you're right about this.
I used to be perhaps a little judgmental - albeit only in my own mind - about people who use drugs. Everything I ever tried made me feel like garbage. The lot of it. All of it.
Then one day I got a prescription of Percocet, and it was the most heavenly thing I ever experienced, with no side effects.
Unless someone can give me a reason why occasional use of these substances is bad for you - aside from constipation - I would be compelled to believe that they are not.
I am not trying to rationalize anything. I have two kids to feed, and I expect two more in the next 24 months. I'm simply saying that, remarkably, opiates are likely the safest drug, when used responsibly.
Addition and overdose are separate matters. People need to be responsible and put time between use. Conversely, for those with legitimate pain issues, I still think a day off here and there is wise, in order to get the full effectiveness of the drug. What is better - two days of bliss followed by one day of pain, or opiates every day, requiring an increasing quantity of opiate for the same effect?
I care about the well-being of all my friends, and pain management is a difficult thing. That being said, I no longer question why these drugs exist. They have valid uses, both medically and psychologically.
Oh, and - nice to see you still post here!
- Matt C
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To me, Ronnie Coleman remains the greatest professional bodybuilder of all time. At their best, other bodybuilders may have been extremely good too, but to me, Ronnie is the clear GOAT.
That being said - and not to be disparaging - I am a little concerned about Ronnie's health, both physical and mental. Is there some reason why he feels the need to still be so intense at a time in his life when the most intense exercise he should be doing is perhaps speed-walking? In an interview with Dave Palumbo that featured Victor Martinez, Ronnie said he was using painkillers - possibly morphine, but I can't recall if that was specified - and he additionally said the drugs were not even working for his pain. Is it safe to say that Ronnie has - and possibly always had - body dysmorphia disorder?
Lastly, relatively speaking, how safe are opiates? Perhaps they are not damaging Ronnie to the extent that I initially assumed.
- Matt C
In a very short period of time he has had cervical fusion of c5-c7, both hips done, a second serious lumbar surgery and then a third or fourth redo from breaking a screw. He said the last lumbar surgery was eleven hours and he could not walk at all after. That's a lot of anesthesia to go along with the needed pain killers. Opiates are addictive and can lead to respiratory depression if used with the wrong mix of drugs or too many.
He's still doing things he should not be doing just based on the cervical fusion alone. I would assume he has a high resistance to pain killers at this point and are part of his life. That said they work and I know from experience with two spinal injuries.
https://www.instagram.com/ronniecoleman8/?hl=en
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In a very short period of time he has had cervical fusion of c5-c7, both hips done, a second serious lumbar surgery and then a third or fourth redo from breaking a screw. He said the last lumbar surgery was eleven hours and he could not walk at all after. That's a lot of anesthesia to go along with the needed pain killers. Opiates are addictive and can lead to respiratory depression if used with the wrong mix of drugs or too many.
He's still doing things he should not be doing just based on the cervical fusion alone. I would assume he has a high resistance to pain killers at this point and are part of his life. That said they work and I know from experience with two spinal injuries.
https://www.instagram.com/ronniecoleman8/?hl=en
I know it's horrible to ask, but what is Ronnie's lifespan looking like at this point? Should we expect that he make 60, but not necessarily 70? Is it possible that he lives a normal lifespan, or has he done enough damage to make that an impossibility at this point.
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I know it's horrible to ask, but what is Ronnie's lifespan looking like at this point? Should we expect that he make 60, but not necessarily 70? Is it possible that he lives a normal lifespan, or has he done enough damage to make that an impossibility at this point.
He made it through all the operations so his heart is strong and he's still pounding away foolishly at the gym so who knows. Seeing my dad live a perfectly heathy life, retire and then develop Alzheimers leads me to believe longevity is over rated. I know he would have rather have dropped from a heart attack then live like he is living now (although he has no clue whats going on at this point). My Irish immigrant grandmother cooked everything in a frying pan and smoked until she was 85. She lived to be 99.
it's all a crap shoot.
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He made it through all the operations so his heart is strong and he's still pounding away foolishly at the gym so who knows. Seeing my dad live a perfectly heathy life, retire and then develop Alzheimers leads me to believe longevity is over rated. I know he would have rather have dropped from a heart attack then live like he is living now (although he has no clue whats going on at this point). My Irish immigrant grandmother cooked everything in a frying pan and smoked until she was 85. She lived to be 99.
it's all a crap shoot.
It's sad when you put it that way, but I think you are right. I just hope your father isn't feeling scared.
That is why I mentioned opiates above. No drug ever worked for me except for opiates. So it's either a life of abstinence for me, or a life that includes some small quantity of opiates. I have sampled enough things to know that by now - as for alcohol being an "acquired taste", I have never felt that way at all. I despised the taste since the time of my first drink at 21, and feel that way today.
Maybe a life of abstinence is fine, but what you are saying about it being a crap shoot resonates deeply with me. My uncle died at 38 of Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. Sure, he smoked a pack of cigarettes a day for the previous 20 years, but so did my dad before quitting at 40. He will be 58 within two weeks.
Which reminds, my father's father will be 78 tomorrow. He smoked and drank for over 60 years each! He started drinking at 12 and started smoking at 13. And I am not talking small quantities - I'm talking 26 ounces of vodka daily combined with two packs of cigarettes for a 10 to 20 year period in that 60 years.
I hope I have inherited his genetics, but again as you said, it is a crap shoot.
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statins killed the beast...
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I think you're right about this.
I used to be perhaps a little judgmental - albeit only in my own mind - about people who use drugs. Everything I ever tried made me feel like garbage. The lot of it. All of it.
Then one day I got a prescription of Percocet, and it was the most heavenly thing I ever experienced, with no side effects.
Unless someone can give me a reason why occasional use of these substances is bad for you - aside from constipation - I would be compelled to believe that they are not.
I am not trying to rationalize anything. I have two kids to feed, and I expect two more in the next 24 months. I'm simply saying that, remarkably, opiates are likely the safest drug, when used responsibly.
Addition and overdose are separate matters. People need to be responsible and put time between use. Conversely, for those with legitimate pain issues, I still think a day off here and there is wise, in order to get the full effectiveness of the drug. Would is better - two days of bliss followed by one day of pain, or opiates every day, requiring an increasing quantity of opiate for the same effect?
I care about the well-being of all my friends, and pain management is a difficult thing. That being said, I no longer question why these drugs exist. They have valid uses, both medically and psychologically.
Oh, and - nice to see you still post here!
- Matt C
Keeping opiate use "responsible" is hard. Many a strong man has been bitch slapped by addiction. They are heaven sent in serious trauma, on the battlefield, in accidents etc but it often turns into hell.
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statins killed the beast...
Did he use statins? I seem to remember Disgusted blaming Ronnie's problems on statins. IIRC?
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I think you're right about this.
I used to be perhaps a little judgmental - albeit only in my own mind - about people who use drugs. Everything I ever tried made me feel like garbage. The lot of it. All of it.
Then one day I got a prescription of Percocet, and it was the most heavenly thing I ever experienced, with no side effects.
Unless someone can give me a reason why occasional use of these substances is bad for you - aside from constipation - I would be compelled to believe that they are not.
I am not trying to rationalize anything. I have two kids to feed, and I expect two more in the next 24 months. I'm simply saying that, remarkably, opiates are likely the safest drug, when used responsibly.
Addition and overdose are separate matters. People need to be responsible and put time between use. Conversely, for those with legitimate pain issues, I still think a day off here and there is wise, in order to get the full effectiveness of the drug. Would is better - two days of bliss followed by one day of pain, or opiates every day, requiring an increasing quantity of opiate for the same effect?
I care about the well-being of all my friends, and pain management is a difficult thing. That being said, I no longer question why these drugs exist. They have valid uses, both medically and psychologically.
Oh, and - nice to see you still post here!
- Matt C
Expecting 2 more kids?... your pain is only going to get worse.
I have no wife and no kids...I am 100% pain free.
See the connection?
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Did he use statins? I seem to remember Disgusted blaming Ronnie's problems on statins. IIRC?
the clip of him popping all the pills he says "this is for cholesterol , prescription"
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It's sad when you put it that way, but I think you are right. I just hope your father isn't feeling scared.
That is why I mentioned opiates above. No drug ever worked for me except for opiates. So it's either a life of abstinence for me, or a life that includes some small quantity of opiates. I have sampled enough things to know that by now - as for alcohol being an "acquired taste", I have never felt that way at all. I despised the taste since the time of my first drink at 21, and feel that way today.
Maybe a life of abstinence is fine, but what you are saying about it being a crap shoot resonates deeply with me. My uncle died at 38 of Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. Sure, he smoked a pack of cigarettes a day for the previous 20 years, but so did my dad before quitting at 40. He will be 58 within two weeks.
Which reminds, my father's father will be 78 tomorrow. He smoked and drank for over 60 years each! He started drinking at 12 and started smoking at 13. And I am not talking small quantities - I'm talking 26 ounces of vodka daily combined with two packs of cigarettes for a 10 to 20 year period in that 60 years.
I hope I have inherited his genetics, but again as you said, it is a crap shoot.
You are looking at it the wrong way, your lifespan is determined by your genetics but a unhealthy lifestyle will shorten that lifespan, also some people have very strong resistance to drugs one person could smoke for 50 years and be ok and another person could smoke for 20 years and have cancer, your family got away with it but will you get away with it, are you willing to take the risk and smoke and eat unhealthy and see if at 75 you will still be alive healthy and cancer free.
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You are looking at it the wrong way, your lifespan is determined by your genetics but a unhealthy lifestyle will shorten that lifespan, also some people have very strong resistance to drugs one person could smoke for 50 years and be ok and another person could smoke for 20 years and have cancer, your family got away with it but will you get away with it, are you willing to take the risk and smoke and eat unhealthy and see if at 75 you will still be alive healthy and cancer free.
thats actually a contradictory statement, but I would expect nothing less from you
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Um, pretty sure 99% of competitive bodybuilders also have this disorder.
what percent are narcissists in your opinion?
all great sportsmen have some form of ocd as it is basically a requirment to become other worldly, L Bird used to practice shooting til his hands would bleed 8)
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I think RC will compete at the 2018 Mr O.
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thats actually a contradictory statement, but I would expect nothing less from you
No its not the problem is that you are an idiot so I will break it down into simple childlike terms for you, lets say based on your genetics if you eat healthy and exercise you will live to be a hundred but you decided to have a lifetime of smoking, alcohol bad eating and lack of exercise and died at the age of 80, dummies like you would say he had a unhealthy lifestyle and live to be 80 so eat and do whatever you want, but his bad habits actually took 20 years off his lifespan.
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No its not the problem is that you are an idiot so I will break it down into simple childlike terms for you, lets say based on your genetics if you eat healthy and exercise you will live to be a hundred but you decided to have a lifetime of smoking, alcohol bad eating and lack of exercise and died at the age of 80, dummies like you would say he had a unhealthy lifestyle and live to be 80 so eat and do whatever you want, but his bad habits actually took 20 years off his lifespan.
if its genetically programmed you will live to be a certain age then it matters not a fucking jot what you do.
You already said as much when you said people can smoke for 50 years and not have a problem.
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if its genetically programmed you will live to be a certain age then it matters not a fucking jot what you do.
You already said as much when you said people can smoke for 50 years and not have a problem.
My gosh why are you so dumb I hope for your sake that you are trolling, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, cancers these are illness cause by your diet and will shorten that genetic program so it does matter what you do, some people smoke for 10 years and get cancer some after 30 some after 50 but do you know how long it would take you to develop cancer from smoking maybe you might die before you get it but why would you want to take such a unnecessary risk.
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My gosh why are you so dumb I hope for your sake that you are trolling, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, cancers these are illness cause by your diet and will shorten that genetic program so it does matter what you do, some people smoke for 10 years and get cancer some after 30 some after 50 but do you know how long it would take you to develop cancer from smoking maybe you might die before you get it but why would you want to take such a unnecessary risk.
now you have changed you mind.
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He's too stupid to have cared about himself so why should anyone else?
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;D
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He's too stupid to have cared about himself so why should anyone else?
scott ronnie is so dumb, he would get in the doggie style position for his trainer, bill dobson and be like whats that in my ass, and bill would go , oh its the steroids ronnie that im injecting into you , takes about 10 to 15 minutes, ronnie would then go yeah buddy ! light weight yip yip, and he would turn up his shitty rap music he listens to
and not even realize bill dobbins was giving him gay weider anal .
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scott ronnie is so dumb, he would get in the doggie style position for his trainer, bill dobson and be like whats that in my ass, and bill would go , oh its the steroids ronnie that im injecting into you , takes about 10 to 15 minutes, ronnie would then go yeah buddy ! light weight yip yip, and he would turn up his shitty rap music he listens to
and not even realize bill dobbins was giving him gay weider anal .
G4P? Coleman?! Given that one photo here where he's holding hands with some schmoe it's possible. In the 70s I knew a few bodybuilders that did that crap. They would say, "I'm not gay! I just do it for the money!" Right...
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;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=623372.0;attach=698691;image)
I guess this is a typical family of schmoes visiting RoidWorld and just like getting your picture with Goofy at Disneyland, they just had to have one with bodybuiding's own Dumbo.
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I guess this is a typical family of schmoes visiting RoidWorld and just like getting your picture with Goofy at Disneyland, they just had to have one with bodybuiding's own Dumbo.
scott yes, those are the same guys that would say "well as long as i am wearing a condom it dont make me gay !"
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G4P? Coleman?! Given that one photo here where he's holding hands with some schmoe it's possible. In the 70s I knew a few bodybuilders that did that crap. They would say, "I'm not gay! I just do it for the money!" Right...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=623372.0;attach=698699;image)
And here we see a rare and ancient tapestry of Schmoeses performing a rare wrasslin' move known in his tribe as "splitting the Black Sea"...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=623372.0;attach=698699;image)
Ignore the gayness but holy shit that is serious amount of muscle mass right there :o
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Ronnie needs to stop punishing his body. Dude is going to end up even more fucked.
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scott remember when ronnie would compete at the olympia and he would turn around and hike his posing panties up his huge black ass, and you would hear a bunch of grown ass middle aged men in the crowd screaming and going crazy.
thats when i realized what a fucked up sport bodybuilding is
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where has 8 inch not biceps gone?
Come on shit for brains, is length of life genetically predisposed or is it that outside influences affect your lifespan, it cant be both numbnuts,,,
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where has 8 inch not biceps gone?
Come on shit for brains, is length of life genetically predisposed or is it that outside influences affect your lifespan, it cant be both numbnuts,,,
be there what do you think 8 inches iq is?
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be there what do you think 8 inches iq is?
exactly the same as tunza muscles.
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exactly the same as tunza muscles.
so basically around that of an ox ?
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so basically around that of an ass ?
fixed
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where has 8 inch not biceps gone?
Come on shit for brains, is length of life genetically predisposed or is it that outside influences affect your lifespan, it cant be both numbnuts,,,
You are proof that bad diet has affected your brain making you stupid, its actually both you can have two different persons not related obviously and they are healthy their entire lives and one lives to be 80 and the other 100 that is what their genes allowed, lets say they lived an unhealthy life ended up having diabetes, heart surgery etc then one the first died at 60 and the other at 80 their lifestyle shorted their lifespan,
Now stop eating processed genetically modified foods so you can be smart again and live longer.
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It's pics like this where I can't defend my hobby.
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You are proof that bad diet has affected your brain making you stupid, its actually both you can have two different persons not related obviously and they are healthy their entire lives and one lives to be 80 and the other 100 that is what their genes allowed, lets say they lived an unhealthy life ended up having diabetes, heart surgery etc then one the first died at 60 and the other at 80 their lifestyle shorted their lifespan,
Now stop eating processed genetically modified foods so you can be smart again and live longer.
why do you keep blowing up your own argument?
You claimed earlier lifespan was down to genetics, then you went on to say it mattered what you ate.
stop blurring the two.
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why do you keep blowing up your own argument?
You claimed earlier lifespan was down to genetics, then you went on to say it mattered what you ate.
stop blurring the two.
You are trolling because you cant be that stupid, its a combination of both, an unhealthy diet will shorten the amount of time that your genes will allow you to live, a healthy diet will allow you to live for the maximum amount of that that your genes will allow you to live.
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opiates are likely the safest drug, when used responsibly.
quality cannabis is the only 'safe' option....
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You are trolling because you cant be that stupid, its a combination of both, an unhealthy diet will shorten the amount of time that your genes will allow you to live, a healthy diet will allow you to live for the maximum amount of that that your genes will allow you to live.
Now you are just making stuff up.
what evidence do you have for that statement
My Grandma smoked since she was 12 and went through 2 wars on rations and ate anything she liked all her life, she died at 87
How long do you think she would have lived eating your diet and not smoking?
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Now you are just making stuff up.
what evidence do you have for that statement
My Grandma smoked since she was 12 and went through 2 wars on rations and ate anything she liked all her life, she died at 87
How long do you think she would have lived eating your diet and not smoking?
She would have made it to 100 now if you think I am making this ask any doctor on the planet if eating unhealthy, drugs and alcohol will short your lifespan and I guarantee you that they will say I am correct, actually I dont think there is any reasonable person on getbig apart from you and a few gimmicks that would disagree with my statement
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She would have made it to 100 now if you think I am making this ask any doctor on the planet if eating unhealthy, drugs and alcohol will short your lifespan and I guarantee you that they will say I am correct, actually I dont think there is any reasonable person on getbig apart from you and a few gimmicks that would disagree with my statement
No, her genetics were preordained at 87, it was set, you already said this.
No amount of green veg and herbal tea would have altered that.
Now, lets try again.
Now which is it, is your age dependant on genetics or is it based on lifestyle?
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Keeping opiate use "responsible" is hard. Many a strong man has been bitch slapped by addiction. They are heaven sent in serious trauma, on the battlefield, in accidents etc but it often turns into hell.
I think that is when space between consumption becomes an issue.
What about a couple of Percocets before bed, every Sunday?
I asked my doctor, "What do you think about one serving of alcohol daily for health? All of the literature appears to suggest it is good for you."
And, astoundingly, he said no!
I was shocked.
As a result of his influence, I waited a year and a half then said to myself - there is no way he is right about that being bad for you, and I started drinking one serving daily, in January 2012. I kept that up for a year or two, then hated the taste so much, that I have since quit. At no point did my alcohol usage get out of hand.
That was when I realized I have to stop comparing myself to normal people. My impulse control is waayyy higher.
But I will be 35 in ten days. Do I really want to go the rest of my life doing absolutely nothing at all, ever? Or would some modest usage of the only drug I have ever enjoyed be worthwhile.
Just know, this is not something I take lightly. I hate the fact that everyone else becomes addicted, and ruins the topic for those of us who are responsible.
I think it was a little unprofessional of my doctor to suggest one serving of alcohol daily is bad news. When I spoke to him about it in 2010, I had already drank alcohol about 15-18 times between 2003-2006. It's not like I became addicted then. I know my own body. I was prescribed Percocet, and used them five days in a row with no issues.
I am a very responsible person.
That being said, abstinence is underrated. I don't think enough people realize how fine things are just opting out. My quality of life is high. I am happy. My kids love me. I don't intend to ruin that.
It is nice to know that there is a drug out there for me though.
Marijuana makes me paranoid out of my gourd. I have never consumed large quantities of anything, but when sampling some things, none of it sat well with me. At first, I was sad about that - now, I realize I am lucky.
That's why I can only fit in about 1,500 calories daily. My body basically tells me to stop. When I started lifting, I hated that because I couldn't gain mass. Now, seeing my high school friends gain body fat, I realize I'm lucky.
Expecting 2 more kids?... your pain is only going to get worse.
I have no wife and no kids...I am 100% pain free.
See the connection?
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Ignore the gayness but holy shit that is serious amount of muscle mass right there :o
EXACTLY my thoughts, damn hams.