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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on April 01, 2006, 03:40:32 PM
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yates was dominant
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yates was dominant pregnant
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Yates looks like 270 pounds of elephant dung in 16 square feet of saran wrap
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Who gives a flying fuck about a pic of Yates when he was BACKSTAGE. If his gut, which he obviously has, was all over the place ON STAGE, than fine. But the package he presented on stage was solid and with the aid of him having the Mr. Olympia advantage, he got the win. Period.
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Who gives a flying f**k about a pic of Yates when he was BACKSTAGE. If his gut, which he obviously has, was all over the place ON STAGE, than fine. But the package he presented on stage was solid and with the aid of him having the Mr. Olympia advantage, he got the win. Period.
His gut showed onstage too. Of course, so does Ronnie's ;D
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Not the best idea having all those thumbnails on the one page matt, your server is getting blasted
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The only thing Yates dominated in 1996 was his bottle of GH.
That wasn't the only thing...Because of Yates, 100s of overweight people died because they couldn't get their inslin....Yates used all the countries Inslin...
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Don't forget that Dorian used to withdraw his own blood, mix in GH, freeze it, and then reinject it later. He also used 10 grams of test a week.
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Dorian's genetics were so freaky he only needed 1 gram of test a week
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Dorian's genetics were so freaky he only needed 1 gram of test a week
He claimed his genetics were not very good. That's why he used 20 grams of test a week.
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20grams a week
lollololol
stfu idiot
I was being sarcastic, "Fraudzzor" :D
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20grams a week
lollololol
stfu idiot
lol im suprised you're still posting
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8)
You are proud of you ? :-\
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Looks pretty tight to me. You posted the only pic out of a hundred where Dorian Is sticking his gut out. ( Dorian Hater )
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Ronnie, kev, nasser et al look great. Yates looks like garbage with string arms hanging at either side of his bloated torso. The entire era post 93 to 97 was an insult
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Looks pretty tight to me. You posted the only pic out of a hundred where Dorian Is sticking his gut out. ( Dorian Hater )
No.
If you have not gut, you can't find any pic with gut.
Dorian and others constantly retain their gut.
Dorian was a calamity for BBing evolution.
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anyone mentioned gut?
At least Dorian didn't show it on the stage as much as Ronnie..
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anyone mentioned gut?
At least Dorian didn't show it on the stage as much as Ronnie..
actually, Dorian's gut/waist in 1994 looked worse than any other bodybuilder in HISTORY onstage:
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
no midsection relaxed has ever looked this bad esp. for a Mr. Olympia - wide waist does the trick..
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doian looks very bad in that pic hulkster just posted...
look at his torn bicep....
very bad...
NO WAY in hell should he have even been top 6
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already sucky arms.. then he tore his bicep...
big gut wide waiste
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and he still beat paul dillet ... nasser.... kevin...flex.... with
BULLSHIT...
actually i have utmost respect for these guys... who actually came back to compete after such an insult.... if i was in their shoes that would have been the last show i did...because that was clearly a slap in the face
complete.. BULLSHIT!!
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ronnies gut looks horrible :-\
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ronnies gut looks horrible :-\
but the small waist saves him. the wide waist is what makes Dorian's midsection look 50 times worse.
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ronnies gut looks horrible :-\
yates gut in that pic...
is the worst gut ive seen on any pro...
and remember ronnie is like 290....
dorian is 250- 260 in those pics....
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yates gut in that pic...
is the worst gut ive seen on any pro...
and remember ronnie is like 290....
dorian is 250- 260 in those pics....
agreed - a moderate gut ontop of a WIDE waist looks 500 times worse than a big gut ontop of a SMALL waist.
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Exactly. Ronnie's waist is tiny relative to his upper body mass (typical for black men). So when Ronnie sucks in his gut, he looks way more impressive. Ronnie would own Dorian on stage in much the same manner as he owned Jay in 2003.
Just look at Ronnie making Jay look like an amateur! He is in a league of his own. There is Ronnie and there is everyone else basically, it is as simple as that.
yes ronnie is in a league of his own...
his muscle density and sepaeraton
jay can never have no matter how big he gets...
when ronnie does a double bi pose look at the lines that seperate his bis to his
tris
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/6xo16.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/colemanimpressivearms.jpg)
its stuff like this that makes him untouchable...
he wont be fully appreciated though
until he retires...
who's gonna take his place... jay culter... martinez...
ha...
nobody is even close...
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actually, Dorian's gut/waist in 1994 looked worse than any other bodybuilder in HISTORY onstage:
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
REally....??? ??? Oh wait.....I forgot Ronnie's perfect.... ;D ;D
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no...
but he has more streghts than
dorian...
and less weekend...
the pic at the beginning of this thread clearly shows the worst gut in bb history...
coleman has a gut too but he's 290...
dorian 250 - 260... onstage beside a todays coleman would be like a child..
a child with an even bigger gut thatn his father
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no...
but he has more streghts than
dorian...
and less weekend...
the pic at the beginning of this thread clearly shows the worst gut in bb history...
coleman has a gut too but he's 290...
dorian 250 - 260... onstage beside a todays coleman would be like a child..
a child with an even bigger gut thatn his father
a child with an even bigger gut thatn his father...for some reason this made me laugh out loud ;D
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Discuss.... Explain?
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but the small waist saves him. the wide waist is what makes Dorian's midsection look 50 times worse.
nah, that's where you're wrong. Ronnei used to have an incredible taper now it's ruined. Yates never had a good taper. Any other pics showing how bad dorians guy was in 94? Or are we gonna keep posting that one everytime this conversation comes up? Dorian looked like shit in 94, I think everyone agrees with this but he rebounded well in 95. Ronnies gut has been horrendous for years now..
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Discuss.... Explain?
Did he inject water into his rear delts? ???
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God. it looks awful dont it?
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Why would he do that? His back already looked small as it is. ???
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Did he inject water into his rear delts? ???
already mentioned this in the thread about " earliest use of synthol" and another thread.
page 1. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=61680.msg928805#msg928805
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=61680.msg929782#msg929782
synthol: but many people don't wish to talk about it. At least when it comes to the people they idolize.
manfred hoerbel, Kenny Wheeler, Ferrigno ( maybe ) and possibly Dillet. original Synthol users
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but the small waist saves him. the wide waist is what makes Dorian's midsection look 50 times worse.
I guess his non-existent obliques/serratus are what kept coleman at the top for so long.
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already mentioned this in the thread about " earliest use of synthol" and another thread.
page 1. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=61680.msg928805#msg928805
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=61680.msg929782#msg929782
synthol: but many people don't wish to talk about it. At least when it comes to the people they idolize.
manfred hoerbel, Kenny Wheeler, Ferrigno ( maybe ) and possibly Dillet. original Synthol users
Doesn't really explain why though.
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Who gives a flying f**k about a pic of Yates when he was BACKSTAGE. If his f**king gut, which he obviously has, was all over the place ON STAGE, than fine. But the package he presented on stage was solid and with the aid of him having the Mr. Olympia advantage, he got the win. Period. F**k you all.
I notice you use the "f" word a lot in your posts and it's next to your avatar. Do you think you're cool by doing that or something? Just curious. And, BTW, what is your age? Again, just curious.
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Bumping up a great thread. Dorian's arms were NOT top six material at this show. Maybe not even top 10! What kind of Mr. Olympia can't hang with the top six arms wise? Pathetic! His gut was horrid at this show. To his credit, his back poses were out of sight.
uhhhh....lets see, past mr.o's without good arms.....well you got franco, zane, dickerson, haney and dorian....none of them ever had the best arms in any show....arms arent' the give all end all.
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biceps aren't the whole arm. Dorian still had great foreams and tris. Maybe not so much standing relaxed, but his side tri is impressive nonetheless
with a better back, better conditioning, and more size than most anyone else, Dorian deserved his victories. Standing relaxed is one pose of twelve. He owned most of the other 11.
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looks like hulkster made a new friend with Matt c.
more ronnie vs. dorian. sure, why not.
you posted a picture of a relaxed dorian, regardless he would easily beat ronnie in any ab or midsection pose.
does it really matter how it looks relaxed? if so, then ronnie is much worse. a small waist and gut makes no sense. at least if the waist is big, it would make more sense that the guy is also big.
case in point:
http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/mrolympia/imgs/2002pics/colem3.html
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biceps aren't the whole arm. Dorian still had great foreams and tris. Maybe not so much standing relaxed, but his side tri is impressive nonetheless
with a better back, better conditioning, and more size than most anyone else, Dorian deserved his victories. Standing relaxed is one pose of twelve. He owned most of the other 11.
I was gonna post the same thing but I've gotten tired of making that arguement, now we'll get 20 posts of Dorian from 94 when he looked his worst compared to a bunch of pics of Ron from 98 when he looked his best.
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Bumping up a great thread. Dorian's arms were NOT top six material at this show. Maybe not even top 10! What kind of Mr. Olympia can't hang with the top six arms wise? Pathetic! His gut was horrid at this show. To his credit, his back poses were out of sight.
what kind of mr. olympia has arguably the worse calves and midsection in the ENTIRE lineup?
arms on dorian? like i said earlier to hulkster, show me anyone that looks better than yates in the side tricep pose. tricep and forearm included.
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show me anyone that looks better than yates in the side tricep pose. tricep and forearm included.
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026870_176.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc65.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc57.jpg)
;D
What is weird about dorian's triceps is that they looked good in the side tri, but disappeared in every other shot:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates08.jpg)
really weird..
great arms should look good from the
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026866_205.jpg)
front,
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026868_294.jpg)
sides
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp0029.jpg)
and back.
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026867_271.jpg)
ronnie's arms are from another planet all together :o
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(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026870_176.jpg)
I think ronnie would have a better side tri if he gripped his flexed arm at the wrist instead locking fingers. The way he does it, his shoulder rolls forward and he looks too bunched up. By holding his wrist, he could roll the shoulder back and show more of his torso, like Jay
(http://body.builder.hu/pictures/cutler3.jpg)
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Fux's gut is the worst.
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actually, Dorian's gut/waist in 1994 looked worse than any other bodybuilder in HISTORY onstage:
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
no midsection relaxed has ever looked this bad esp. for a Mr. Olympia - wide waist does the trick..
lol, sorry kid.
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That is TINY compared to the gut Coleman has.
I'm sure you took the worst possible screencap of Yates' gut too
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Ronnie got fucked >:(
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/englishgrandprix1996/288.jpg)
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biceps aren't the whole arm. Dorian still had great foreams and tris. Maybe not so much standing relaxed, but his side tri is impressive nonetheless
with a better back, better conditioning, and more size than most anyone else, Dorian deserved his victories. Standing relaxed is one pose of twelve. He owned most of the other 11.
Dorian is awesome from the side and back. However, it is not that good....morphed pic my friend.
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(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026870_176.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc65.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc57.jpg)
;D
What is weird about dorian's triceps is that they looked good in the side tri, but disappeared in every other shot:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates08.jpg)
really weird..
great arms should look good from the
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026866_205.jpg)
front,
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026868_294.jpg)
sides
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp0029.jpg)
and back.
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026867_271.jpg)
ronnie's arms are from another planet all together :o
nice try, but not even close.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy187.jpg)
also, ronnie's tri's look better when he does a double bi then when does a tricep pose. wierd.
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He looked much better in Helsinki at the '92 O, as you can see from the cover.
(http://www.fremantlehomeentertainment.com/uploads/products/376.jpg)
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Whoever thinks Dorian had better arms is smoking CRACK! Just to be fair, here's a photo of both Dorian and Ronnie at their peak; you be the judge which one looks better.
Also, if you find better shots of Dorian's arms, feel free to post to show how 'superior' they are compared to Ronnies.
Discuss!
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I don't understand how anyone would think this is the best physique in the world
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You guys are unbeliavably stupid.
How come always you guys compare "Front Relax pose" of one(Ronnie or Dorian) with really relaxed pose(Sticking out guts and shoulders down) of another(Ronnie or Dorian)?
Then you guys say"Oh he has gut" or "Oh what a tinny waist".
Look, even Shawn has his gut sticking out when he is relaxed.But,he knows how to hide it.
Thats all.
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(http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/1-14-05/img-damn.jpg)
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you cant compare bodybuilders of different era's properly.yes it was only 8 years ago but the knowledge "guru's" have now of how to use the drugs and diuretics are more advanced than they were then.i think there both great but if people are saying dorians gut is worse than ronnies they arent being realistic and just idolizing there hero.
ronnie is a true freak and he's took his body to the extreme next level but theres been a cost too,his gut and the gyno,but that being said i still think ronnie would beat dorian.maybe if dorian had the same knowledge of the drugs he could beat ronnie...youll just never know and its an endless debate, as the truce thread showed
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If Dorian was so bad, how come NONE of his contemporaries EVER complained about his victories? [shawn only started complaining about 94 earlier this year]. He was, is, and forever will be the bodybuilders bodybuilder.
A bunch of jealous, steroid obsessed forum junkies will never understand Dorians greatness. But those of us who live, eat and sleep bodybuilding know the truth. Dorian rules.
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Stupid post. We've all been through this topic before. For starters, he is a 6 time Mr.O. If you think you look better than a Mr.O that you could carve him in any way then go stand beside hime on stage. Secondly, if you think Dorian was the only one with a GH gut then you got some serious learning to do. Coleman, Cutler, Ruhl, Gustavo, Gunter, Federov and even Dexter all have GH guts. As fro Dorian, he dominated the ninties and brought bbdg to a new level by introducing heavier ripped mass on stage.
PB
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If Dorian was so bad, how come NONE of his contemporaries EVER complained about his victories? [shawn only started complaining about 94 earlier this year]. He was, is, and forever will be the bodybuilders bodybuilder.
A bunch of jealous, steroid obsessed forum junkies will never understand Dorians greatness. But those of us who live, eat and sleep bodybuilding know the truth. Dorian rules.
i agree he was a bodybuilders bodybuilder so is ronnie too,i laugh when i hear people going on all the time about how good looking a bb is and how women will be attracted to him.THIS IS BODYBUILDING not a beauty paegent its about lifting weights and building muscle,yes theres a limit i think they shouldnt cross(with the huge distention)but lets just stick to the basics,leave the eybrow plucking and mascara wearing to the women,who cares if a guy looks ugly thats not why im into bodybuilding im into it because im impressed at the level hes been able to build his body.
and btw most women laugh at pretty boys and they'd rather be with someone who acts like a man any day
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yates had an overall wider structure than most of the pros...since his lats were so thick and wide his shoulder width looked huge and in poses he looked wider than alot of guys who had thick delts..yates seems to have naturally wide clavicles...but i think so yates had a freaky condition which was enough to own any one...
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Great. Just great. Another Dorian bashing thread. Too bad the man himself doesen't post here; if he did, he'd certainly make all of you internet big men shut up. The reason why he doesen't post here, Peter McGough told me, is because of the negativity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yates had an overall wider structure than most of the pros...since his lats were so thick and wide his shoulder width looked huge and in poses he looked wider than alot of guys who had thick delts..yates seems to have naturally wide clavicles...but i think so yates had a freaky condition which was enough to own any one...
I don't think yate's clavicles were THAT wide personally... certainly not like a matarazzo for instance.
What dorian did have was awesome flexibility in the shoulder girdle which is rare. When he spread he really spread and looked amazing.
Guys like shawn ray and phil heath lack that spread ability in the shoulder girdle... it can be developed though if you work on it
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I don't think yate's clavicles were THAT wide personally... certainly not like a matarazzo for instance.
What dorian did have was awesome flexibility in the shoulder girdle which is rare. When he spread he really spread and looked amazing.
Guys like shawn ray and phil heath lack that spread ability in the shoulder girdle... it can be developed though if you work on it
correct.that was wat i was trying to say.he created such an illusion that hishoulders looked a lot wider than they really were..
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If Dorian was so bad, how come NONE of his contemporaries EVER complained about his victories?
They probably did. We just didn't know.
Remember that before the age of the internet, when people complained, no one knew about it. You might have read about it 3 months later in a magazine when no one cared.
now, you can't even fart without the entire bodybuilding community hearing about it two hours later...
Secondly, if you read the magazine reviews in 1994 for example (eg musclemag), the contest critics were astounded that dorian won over shawn.
Bodybuilders generally do not want to rock the boat with Weider. Criticizing the outcome of their top contest does not sit well with Uncle Joe.
They have to think about their careers too.
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actually, Dorian's gut/waist in 1994 looked worse than any other bodybuilder in HISTORY onstage:
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
no midsection relaxed has ever looked this bad esp. for a Mr. Olympia - wide waist does the trick..
ever heard of kovacs?
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Shawn Ray went off on Dorian on BFTO 1996
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[quote author=Big Poppa J
with a better back, better conditioning, and more size than most anyone else, Dorian deserved his victories. Standing relaxed is one pose of twelve. He owned most of the other 11.
[/quote]
Poor kid, you are not even able to see that you posted a morphed pic, posted 1 million of times ::) ::) ::)
Dorian only deserved a free GH bottle...
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Shawn Ray went off on Dorian on BFTO 1996
ahahha shawn ray gos on and off on basically every pro..
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dorian peaked early in his O career and remained champion with sub par showings - but ronnie has barely earned half of his O wins. From what ive seen hes lost 3 atleast
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dorian peaked early in his O career and remained champion with sub par showings - but ronnie has barely earned half of his O wins. From what ive seen hes lost 3 atleast
You suck at being a bodybuilding judge.
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These "gut" threads are hilarious. What rock do some of you guys live under? You can go to any local show and see "guts" on the top guys. Usually when guys go hardcore they get a gut- comes with the territory. If the competitor can pull it in tight then they'll do ok.
I recently saw a video clip of Amahd Hadair who really would appear as if he would not have a gut- well guess again. ANy time you abs are hypertrohies- you're gonna have a gut.
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These "gut" threads are hilarious. What rock do some of you guys live under? You can go to any local show and see "guts" on the top guys. Usually when guys go hardcore they get a gut- comes with the territory. If the competitor can pull it in tight then they'll do ok.
I recently saw a video clip of Hamad Adair who really would appear as if he would not have a gut- well guess again. ANy time you abs are hypertrohyed- you're gonna have a gut.
Great post!
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dorian peaked early in his O career and remained champion with sub par showings - but ronnie has barely earned half of his O wins. From what ive seen hes lost 3 atleast
which ones?
please don't say 2000..
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/11.jpg)
because that one was fair.
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which ones?
please don't say 2000..
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/11.jpg)
because that one was fair.
In my opinion, Ronnie lost in 2001 and 2002.
But, 98, 99, 2000, 2003, and 2005 were all earned. Ronnie won in 2004 by virtue of a piss poor field even though he was probably in his worst condition.
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In my opinion, Ronnie lost in 2001 and 2002.
But, 98, 99, 2000, 2003, and 2005 were all earned. Ronnie won in 2004 by virtue of a piss poor field even though he was probably in his worst condition.
how would ronnie have done if the field was different - an in prime levrone, ray, wheeler, nasser, and dillet. - the competition dorian faced and dominated.
considering that jay and gustavo have almost beaten ronnie and they suck compared to the guys mentioned above.
kinda makes you think.
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how would ronnie have done if the field was different - an in prime levrone, ray, wheeler, nasser, and dillet. - the competition dorian faced and dominated.
considering that jay and gustavo have almost beaten ronnie and they suck compared to the guys mentioned above.
kinda makes you think.
Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.
There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.
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Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.
There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.
you fail to realize that whatever your opinion may be about dorian, the reality is different. i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won. if you find one, please post it.
this was written by someone who actually attended the contest and has years of experience reviewing contests. i assume their opinion is valid considering a magazine pays that person to review the contests. generally, most sports reporters have more expertice in the area that they cover over internet fans -like me and you. that's why in baseball and football, the majority of hall of fame votes are from the writers/reporters.
do you have to agree with whatever they write? of course not. everyone has their opinion.
score sheets represent an written account of the contest. its the interpretation of the pictures. the scoresheets arent subjective like your's and hulkster's opinion.
if ronnie's scoresheets looked anything like dorian's, you would say the exact same thing about how 2000, 01, and 04 werent close contests. but with dorian, you use the scoresheets against him saying that they dont count, but rather YOUR opinion does.
so the scoresheets and ronnie's own words arent good enough. what else do you need?
you really think that steve weinberger has that much pull do make sure dorian wins every year that he competed in? back then i dont think he was even a head judge yet.
yes, i agree with you in that there was has been less controversy over ronnie's wins. that's bc the competition was so weak.
first you and hulkster made claims on yates' flaws. now its politics. at least with pictures there is something to look at and everyone has their own opinion. but with these silly political claims, you have no proof or evidence. pure speculation.
whatever advantage you say dorian had with the judges, ronnie had it as well - the years that he was supposed to loose. just as any multi mr. olympia did.
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you fail to realize that whatever your opinion may be about dorian, the reality is different. i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won. if you find one, please post it.
this was written by someone who actually attended the contest and has years of experience reviewing contests. i assume their opinion is valid considering a magazine pays that person to review the contests. generally, most sports reporters have more expertice in the area that they cover over internet fans -like me and you. that's why in baseball and football, the majority of hall of fame votes are from the writers/reporters.
do you have to agree with whatever they write? of course not. everyone has their opinion.
you really think that steve weinberger has that much pull do make sure dorian wins every year that he competed in? back then i dont think he was even a head judge yet.
yes, i agree with you in that there was has been less controversy over ronnie's wins. that's bc the competition was so weak.
first you and hulkster made claims on yates' flaws. now its politics. at least with pictures there is something to look at and everyone has their own opinion. but with these silly political claims, you have no proof or evidence. pure speculation.
whatever advantage you say dorian had with the judges, ronnie had it as well - the years that he was supposed to loose. just as any multi mr. olympia did.
Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\
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Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\
i am using my eyes. the reports validate my claims.
i dont think dorian was considered the most symmetrical man in the contest.
contests arent won or lost by symmetry.
you keep forgetting that there is NO FLEXING in the symmetry round. so his torn bi isnt really seen.
the symmetry round is mostly quarter turns, which dorian completley dominated. most people will concieve that dorian was beaten when compared to the front to nasser, etc. (shawn was just too small to be competitive) but overshadowed (no pun intended) EVERYONE from the side and back. that's why he won. you have to consider all angles. not just the front double bi pose.
was dorian more symmetrical than say shawn? dont know about that. shawn did have short legs and a long torso. obviously, the judges saw something liked in dorian. and it doestn have anything to do with politcs. dorian was balanced but no more balanced than shawn, kevin, etc. why he won that round? i dont know - ask a judge.
you can loose rounds but still win the contest. haney lost the muscularity round to dorian and still won the show.
ronnie lost the symmetry and muscularity round to jay, and still won the contest.
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Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\
toney freeman just won the europa show with a glaring pec tear.
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i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won. if you find one, please post it.
I have the 1994 olympia report from musclemag and the article was basically a well written consice pictorial essay showing that Shawn should have beaten dorian..
I also have the 1996 report taking about how dorian probably should not have won with soft quads, abs and a torn biceps.
They thought Shawn should have won.
Anyone with these mags and a scanner can verify.
so you are wrong.
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I also have the musclemag 2004 olympia report and they bitche about how Ronnie fairly dominated the pre-judging and then lost his advantage becuase of the challenge round.
2004 may have been bad shape for Ronnie, but to say it was contoversial is retarded.
read the reviews - no one said 2004 was close or controversial.
they all agreed that Ronnie dominated and fairly at that.
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This is just un-fucking believable.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-2001-arnold-classic/33.jpg)
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I have the 1994 olympia report from musclemag and the article was basically a well written consice pictorial essay showing that Shawn should have beaten dorian..
I also have the 1996 report taking about how dorian probably should not have won with soft quads, abs and a torn biceps.
They thought Shawn should have won.
Anyone with these mags and a scanner can verify.
so you are wrong.
please scan those articles. i have never heard of them. which mags and who wrote them?
very amusing. now you mention that you have olympia reports saying that dorian shouldnt have won. you never mentioned than on the 360 pages of the other thread.
dorian's abs were fine in 96. his bicep was the same since 94. it didnt have impact in 94 0r 95, so why would 96 be any different.
i will agree with you in that his quads looked worse than they did. probably his worst year for quads.
i dont think 2004 was controversial. although, i think that's the best cutler has looked against ronnie since 01.
basically, at the night show, the last pose, jay was still close. it came down to the lat spread.
coleman won, but based on the score sheet, he didnt totally dominate. however, with the challenge round, i believe it threw the scores of. coleman was the clear winner and if jay would have won, i dont think people would have minded. (except you of course).
i've read the reports and they basically say that coleman came in to hjeavy - not so much like he dominated like in 03.
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very amusing. now you mention that you have olympia reports saying that dorian shouldnt have won. you never mentioned than on the 360 pages of the other thread.
but they have been mentioned by me in many other threads...
Why is it very amusing?
that you were wrong? ;)
Despite what you think, I am not new to the sport.
I do not have a scanner but can quote them if you would like.
anyone else who has the 94 musclemag coverage or 96 musclemag olympia coverage can verify...
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please scan those articles. i have never heard of them. which mags and who wrote them?
both I believe were written by musclemags Johnny Fitness.
Believe it or not, there was a time in the early 90's where musclemag had THE best contest coverage of ALL the mags.
The level of detail written, not to mention tons of great pics was awesome.
But by the late 90's/2000's their coverage began to suck.
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but they have been mentioned by me in many other threads...
Why is it very amusing?
that you were wrong? ;)
Despite what you think, I am not new to the sport.
I do not have a scanner but can quote them if you would like.
anyone else who has the 94 musclemag coverage or 96 musclemag olympia coverage can verify...
maybe i've missed it, but i've never seen you mention it. if i am wrong, i will be the first one to admit it.
and yes, i would like you to quote it.
besides, those relaxed black and white pics you keep posting are from the 94 Olympia. this thread was about the 96 english grand prix.
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Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.
There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.
excellent post summarising the corruption and cheating within IFBB judging ranks to favor Yates with his friends weinerberger/de milia /manion
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ironically, probrecito is England 1.
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excellent post summarising the corruption and cheating within IFBB judging ranks to favor Yates with his friends weinerberger/de milia /manion
excuses , excuses Team Nasser has plenty of team
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Don't forget that Dorian used to withdraw his own blood, mix in GH, freeze it, and then reinject it later. He also used 10 grams of test a week.
Licious,
That is a silly statement. Not hating on you, but that is not why Yates stood alone.
Where do you get this "Inside info" from ?
NOBODY uses that much.
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JD outmassing Coleman
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Licious,
That is a silly statement. Not hating on you, but that is not why Yates stood alone.
Where do you get this "Inside info" from ?
NOBODY uses that much.
It was a popular rumor back in the day. You know how bodybuilding lore is. I'll bet some dumb gym rat somewhere has experimented with that much ;D
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my how times would change...
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ha ha ha Ronnie getting destroyed lol they wont recover
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Dorian is number one.
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Dorian is number one.
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Correct
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Dorian is number one.
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Man Kevin is getting destroyed as well , the 1990s belonged to this man
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Ronnie is getting DESTROYED there lmfao.
Dorian was fucking awesome.