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I'm a libertarian at heart and don't think anyone should be harassed or hurt for their sexuality.
But, most gay activists and pride parades make me sick to my stomach.
For example, I recently saw this gay rights activists protesting in Russia.
He was a thin twink , dancing around with some sign and goofy face on a stick mask.
In theory I'd agree with the dude, but watching him prance around , makes me sick.
Why do so many activists at this demonstrations look like freaks ?
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They are? ;D
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They are? ;D
LOL, I guess they wouldn't LOOK so odd, if they were normal .
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I'm a libertarian at heart and don't think anyone should be harassed or hurt for their sexuality.
But, most gay activists and pride parades make me sick to my stomach.
For example, I recently saw this gay rights activists protesting in Russia.
He was a thin twink , dancing around with some sign and goofy face on a stick mask.
In theory I'd agree with the dude, but watching him prance around , makes me sick.
Why do so many activists at this demonstrations look like freaks ?
I agree and even most of my gay friends thinks these demonstrations and parades make them look bad. Truth is, they're not "harassed" or discriminated against anymore than anyone else and if they are (anyone) it's usually because they brought it on themselves.
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I agree and even most of my gay friends thinks these demonstrations and parades make them look bad. Truth is, they're not "harassed" or discriminated against anymore than anyone else and if they are (anyone) it's usually because they brought it on themselves.
You are 100% toxic, brother.
And to think, I used to be like you. Glad I changed!
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People do all sorts of crazy things whether they are watching or participating in parades. It's not exclusively gay folks or gay parades.
If you don't like gay pride parades, don't watch them. It's just that simple.
Not all "twinks" are gay and not all gay people are "twinks."
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You are 100% toxic, brother.
And to think, I used to be like you. Glad I changed!
Not sure how the truth is toxic. It won us the election
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What other types of "pride" parades are there?
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What other types of "pride" parades are there?
There are other types of parades besides Gay Pride parades.
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A Bare your breast Pride Parade
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Does the Bunny Parade remind you of anyone?
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There are other types of parades besides Gay Pride parades.
I'm talking specifically about "pride" parades. Is there a Vegetarian Pride parade for example? Or a Short Pride parade?
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I'm talking specifically about "pride" parades. Is there a Vegetarian Pride parade for example? Or a Short Pride parade?
GoTopless pride parade in Manhattan
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People do all sorts of crazy things whether they are watching or participating in parades. It's not exclusively gay folks or gay parades.
If you don't like gay pride parades, don't watch them. It's just that simple.
Not all "twinks" are gay and not all gay people are "twinks."
If you see news , you'll see a few activists engaged in whatever.
Look, I'm all for equality and treating everyone with dignity.
But it's hard to look dignified or be taken serious when you're wearing ass-less chaps.
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I agree and even most of my gay friends thinks these demonstrations and parades make them look bad. Truth is, they're not "harassed" or discriminated against anymore than anyone else and if they are (anyone) it's usually because they brought it on themselves.
Bingo!
They demand to be respected and treated like anyone else.
But it's tough to fit in, when you're dressed up for a Village People reunion.
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For example, I recently saw this gay rights activists protesting in Russia.
He was a thin twink , dancing around with some sign and goofy face on a stick mask.
How's that possible.
a) gay is banned in russia
b) protests are banned in russia
Not sure but twinks could be banned too
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I'm a libertarian at heart and don't think anyone should be harassed or hurt for their sexuality.
But, most gay activists and pride parades make me sick to my stomach.
For example, I recently saw this gay rights activists protesting in Russia.
He was a thin twink , dancing around with some sign and goofy face on a stick mask.
In theory I'd agree with the dude, but watching him prance around , makes me sick.
Why do so many activists at this demonstrations look like freaks ?
First off, your post assume that people want to hear your 2 cents and of course they don't. Secondly, I've never been to any parade...gay or straight...where there hasn't been any people that were dressed up and prancing around.
Stick to something that you're good at...which is eating Pringles and watching The Late Show with your wife. If you wish to spout your opinions, then start a podcast show like I did.
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If you see news , you'll see a few activists engaged in whatever.
Look, I'm all for equality and treating everyone with dignity.
But it's hard to look dignified or be taken serious when you're wearing ass-less chaps.
Ass-less chaps -- dignified, no; taken seriously, depends on location and whose looking.
-Not much of a parade person myself. The only parade I've taken part in is Portland's Aids Walk. Participants come from all walks of life. The point of it is to raise AIDS awareness and money to operate Our house.
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How's that possible.
a) gay is banned in russia
b) protests are banned in russia
Not sure but twinks could be banned too
1. On June 30, 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed into law a bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations to minors." It is not illegal to be homosexual in Russia, but it can be dangerous.
2. In June 2012, Moscow courts enacted a hundred-year ban on gay pride parades.
Gay pride Russia St Petersburg May 1, 2013
Not exactly a "twink" but this bisexual performer lives and performs in Moscow.
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First off, your post assume that people want to hear your 2 cents and of course they don't. Secondly, I've never been to any parade...gay or straight...where there hasn't been any people that were dressed up and prancing around.
Stick to something that you're good at...which is eating Pringles and watching The Late Show with your wife. If you wish to spout your opinions, then start a podcast show like I did.
I simply gave my honest personal opinion on this open forum.
You as an openly gay man got defensive about it.
See Vince that cuts to the heart of the issue.
Myself and , most of society will support equal treatment for gays in terms of jobs, housing, etc.
BUT, we will never fully understand it or accept it as normal, desirable behavior.
I'm sorry, but those like me, will never think being gay is A-ok.
FYI, that's why I agree with laws protecting equal rights for gays.
It's because we'll never understand or like it that they need to insure legal protection. Understand?
It is my sincere belief, that the majority of sexual acts should be done in the privacy of one's home.
That goes for gay, straight, whatever...I'm just being honest.
The fact is, seeing 2 male cowboys making out, causes me to get sick to my stomach.
Having said that, I'd be the first to say they had a right to do as they pleased, in private.
Happy New Year Vince and I do respect you as a fellow bodybuilder and human being.
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First off, your post assume that people want to hear your 2 cents and of course they don't. Secondly, I've never been to any parade...gay or straight...where there hasn't been any people that were dressed up and prancing around.
Stick to something that you're good at...which is eating Pringles and watching The Late Show with your wife. If you wish to spout your opinions, then start a podcast show like I did.
Or he could post his opinions on an opinion board . . . like this one.
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1. On June 30, 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed into law a bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations to minors." It is not illegal to be homosexual in Russia, but it can be dangerous.
2. In June 2012, Moscow courts enacted a hundred-year ban on gay pride parades.
Gay pride Russia St Petersburg May 1, 2013
Not exactly a "twink" but this bisexual performer lives and performs in Moscow.
(http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aKP1Wvj_700b.jpg)
I know.
It's only dangerous if you bump up to some paratroopers :D
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Or he could post his opinions on an opinion board . . . like this one.
THat reply cuts to the heart of the issue .
Most folks on social media will say they welcome free speech...until it goes against their own view.
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I simply gave my honest personal opinion on this open forum.
You as an openly gay man got defensive about it.
See Vince that cuts to the heart of the issue.
Myself and , most of society will support equal treatment for gays in terms of jobs, housing, etc.
BUT, we will never fully understand it or accept it as normal, desirable behavior.
I'm sorry, but those like me, will never think being gay is A-ok.
FYI, that's why I agree with laws protecting equal rights for gays.
It's because we'll never understand or like it that they need to insure legal protection. Understand?
It is my sincere belief, that the majority of sexual acts should be done in the privacy of one's home.
That goes for gay, straight, whatever...I'm just being honest.
The fact is, seeing 2 male cowboys making out, causes me to get sick to my stomach.
Having said that, I'd be the first to say they had a right to do as they pleased, in private.
Happy New Year Vince and I do respect you as a fellow bodybuilder and human being.
I don't give a shit if you get offended by 2 cowboys kissing as you prob watched Brokeback Mountain too many times fantasizing about your legs up in the air gettting fucked in a tent. You can work that out with your local therapist. The problem is that you're placing a special standard on gay parades that's not on any other parade in addition to concluding that the people who dress like weirdos are the de facto definition of what a gay person is.
Its a parade, Howard....a celebration. Its not a congressional hearing. That's like telling the Irish that they can't wear green and dress like leprechauns in the St Patricks Day Parade. Once again, you fail to understand the reality of thing
As far as your comment about you and your society??? Why the fuck should I care about your society's acceptance for?? That's why your life is so miserable, Howard. You live in a society of sheep
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Has Andre weighed in on this yet in terms of his behavior at these parades ?
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Don't you have to get a permit from the city to have parade?
"Vote your conscious" - Ted Cruz :D
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Has Andre weighed in on this yet in terms of his behavior at these parades ?
lol ;D
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I simply gave my honest personal opinion on this open forum.
You as an openly gay man got defensive about it.
See Vince that cuts to the heart of the issue.
Myself and , most of society will support equal treatment for gays in terms of jobs, housing, etc.
BUT, we will never fully understand it or accept it as normal, desirable behavior.
I'm sorry, but those like me, will never think being gay is A-ok.
FYI, that's why I agree with laws protecting equal rights for gays.
It's because we'll never understand or like it that they need to insure legal protection. Understand?
It is my sincere belief, that the majority of sexual acts should be done in the privacy of one's home.
That goes for gay, straight, whatever...I'm just being honest.
The fact is, seeing 2 male cowboys making out, causes me to get sick to my stomach.
Having said that, I'd be the first to say they had a right to do as they pleased, in private.
Happy New Year Vince and I do respect you as a fellow bodybuilder and human being.
Is making out a sexual act? Here I thought it was kissing and some petting.
I agree with you that some things are best done privately. However, what is offensive to one person may not be to the other. Examples: A guy and a gal holding hands in public is not usually offensive, two gals holding hands in public is also not offensive to most folks, two men holding hands can be offensive to many people. Same act, different views. Kissing goes a little further which increases the chance some will find it offensive in all the previous examples. Groping goes a step further. Simulating sexual acts.....this depends on where you are more than anything. At a dance club, not so much. On a float, very much.
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I don't give a shit if you get offended by 2 cowboys kissing as you prob watched Brokeback Mountain too many times fantasizing about your legs up in the air gettting fucked in a tent. You can work that out with your local therapist. The problem is that you're placing a special standard on gay parades that's not on any other parade in addition to concluding that the people who dress like weirdos are the de facto definition of what a gay person is.
Its a parade, Howard....a celebration. Its not a congressional hearing. That's like telling the Irish that they can't wear green and dress like leprechauns in the St Patricks Day Parade. Once again, you fail to understand the reality of thing
As far as your comment about you and your society??? Why the fuck should I care about your society's acceptance for?? That's why your life is so miserable, Howard. You live in a society of sheep
Although the above was directed to Howard, I am responding to it because it deals with people's core beliefs.
Simulated sexual acts in any public parade event is out of line to most folks, gay or straight.
Public nudity still bothers a lot of people, although it is becoming a somewhat more common occurrence.
Wearing green on St. Patricks Day is very common. I don't see how this compares to what we're talking about.
Most people care what other's think even when they say they don't.
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I don't give a shit if you get offended by 2 cowboys kissing as you prob watched Brokeback Mountain too many times fantasizing about your legs up in the air gettting fucked in a tent. You can work that out with your local therapist. The problem is that you're placing a special standard on gay parades that's not on any other parade in addition to concluding that the people who dress like weirdos are the de facto definition of what a gay person is.
Its a parade, Howard....a celebration. Its not a congressional hearing. That's like telling the Irish that they can't wear green and dress like leprechauns in the St Patricks Day Parade. Once again, you fail to understand the reality of thing
As far as your comment about you and your society??? Why the fuck should I care about your society's acceptance for?? That's why your life is so miserable, Howard. You live in a society of sheep
Ok Vince, you can get angry and rant about gay rights, all you want.
It's America and you , me and everyone else has a right to freedom of expression .
If gay folks want to express themselves, that's their right.
BUT people like me will never understand it or think it's cool. That's just being honest.
Happy New year and good luck in your new location.
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Although the above was directed to Howard, I am responding to it because it deals with people's core beliefs.
Simulated sexual acts in any public parade event is out of line to most folks, gay or straight.
Public nudity still bothers a lot of people, although it is becoming a somewhat more common occurrence.
Wearing green on St. Patricks Day is very common. I don't see how this compares to what we're talking about.
Most people care what other's think even when they say they don't.
Good point.
My personal view is that we all have a right to express OUR view pt.
BUT, we shouldn't think everyone will eventually agree with me if I shout long enough.
In the case of gay rights, I believe they should have marriage and employment equality .
It's their personal lifestyle I don't like and that has NOTHING to do with their legal rights.
I fully understand and agree with many of the reasons for "hate crimes" laws.
While we all have a right to THINK and say as we please, we don't have a right to act on that and physically hurt those who are different.
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Is making out a sexual act? Here I thought it was kissing and some petting.
I agree with you that some things are best done privately. However, what is offensive to one person may not be to the other. Examples: A guy and a gal holding hands in public is not usually offensive, two gals holding hands in public is also not offensive to most folks, two men holding hands can be offensive to many people. Same act, different views. Kissing goes a little further which increases the chance some will find it offensive in all the previous examples. Groping goes a step further. Simulating sexual acts.....this depends on where you are more than anything. At a dance club, not so much. On a float, very much.
Good post .
I may NOT have made my main point clear enough for debate here.
For me, it's not people individual actions that's my issue here.
It's having people ASSUME others will eventually like and understand it, IF they are exposed to it.
Seeing a festive pride parade has a reverse effect on me and perhaps most avg people.
It seems like their forcing people to accept and enjoy gay people's lifestyle.
In fact, we aren't going to be sexually active with most people we meet socially , it's a NON-issue overall.
I prefer to focus on common ground then individual preferences done mostly in private.
For example, I used to workout and compete with a gay friend.
Our personal sex lives were a non-issue when it the gym training .
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Good post .
I may NOT have made my main point clear enough for debate here.
For me, it's not people individual actions that's my issue here.
It's having people ASSUME others will eventually like and understand it, IF they are exposed to it.
Seeing a festive pride parade has a reverse effect on me and perhaps most avg people.
It seems like their forcing people to accept and enjoy gay people's lifestyle.
In fact, we aren't going to be sexually active with most people we meet socially , it's a NON-issue overall.
I prefer to focus on common ground then individual preferences done mostly in private.
For example, I used to workout and compete with a gay friend.
Our personal sex lives were a non-issue when it the gym training .
I live in the bay area and have never bothered even watching it on TV
why are you spending time looking at things you don't like
A KKK parade would disgust me but I haven't bothered to go to one of those either
I'm sure gay people (or KKK) don't give a rats ass if anyone likes or understand them
morbidly obese people disgust me (it's not them so much are their chosen lifestyle) but unfortunately I can't help seeing them virtually every day.
I feel the exact same way about fundie christians but again I must endure their chosen lifestyle
It's just part of living in this country
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I live in the bay area and have never bothered even watching it on TV
why are you spending time looking at things you don't like
A KKK parade would disgust me but I haven't bothered to go to one of those either
I'm sure gay people (or KKK) don't give a rats ass if anyone likes or understand them
morbidly obese people disgust me (it's not them so much are their chosen lifestyle) but unfortunately I can't help seeing them virtually every day.
I feel the exact same way about fundie christians but again I must endure their chosen lifestyle
It's just part of living in this country
how could you possibly watch it on TV when you are a frigging participant in all this debauchery and filth! ;)
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how could you possibly watch it on TV when you are a frigging participant in all this debauchery and filth! ;)
more projection from our resident closet case
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more projection from our resident closet case
no - i dont want to see you kissing your BF in public - keep that shit private. Its nasty .
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Good post .
I may NOT have made my main point clear enough for debate here.
For me, it's not people individual actions that's my issue here.
It's having people ASSUME others will eventually like and understand it, IF they are exposed to it.
Seeing a festive pride parade has a reverse effect on me and perhaps most avg people.
It seems like their forcing people to accept and enjoy gay people's lifestyle.
In fact, we aren't going to be sexually active with most people we meet socially , it's a NON-issue overall.
I prefer to focus on common ground then individual preferences done mostly in private.
For example, I used to workout and compete with a gay friend.
Our personal sex lives were a non-issue when it the gym training .
I have a theory as to why gay pride and women's rights events, such as parades and demonstrations are sometimes outlandish and disgusting. Many of these folks felt and probably were repressed for a long time. Now that they are being afforded some rights, they're celebrating by getting in peoples faces, much like many teenagers do. It is safe to say these movements are in their formative (teenage) years. Like teens this probably does more harm than good. There are many conservative gay and bisexual folks who also think these parades are more harmful than helpful. I'm in this category, which explains why I have never attended such an event.
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I have a theory as to why gay pride and women's rights events, such as parades and demonstrations are sometimes outlandish and disgusting. Many of these folks felt and probably were repressed for a long time. Now that they are being afforded some rights, they're celebrating by getting in peoples faces, much like many teenagers do. It is safe to say these movements are in their formative (teenage) years. Like teens this probably does more harm than good. There are many conservative gay and bisexual folks who also think these parades are more harmful than helpful. I'm in this category, which explains why I have never attended such an event.
I thought you were married to a woman?>
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how could you possibly watch it on TV when you are a frigging participant in all this debauchery and filth! ;)
He meant his Iphone....just kidding.
How would you know who participates in these events?
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no - i dont want to see you kissing your BF in public - keep that shit private. Its nasty .
Have you ever kissed someone in public? Maybe people saw this and thought the same thing you do.
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I thought you were married to a woman?>
Yes, my late wife and I were married for over 50 years. What's your point?
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Have you ever kissed someone in public? Maybe people saw this and thought the same thing you do.
Maybe while drunk in college - thats about it - im not into PDA like we see at those filth fests
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Maybe while drunk in college - thats about it - im not into PDA like we see at those filth fests
OK. I was raised to believe as you do. Holding hands and even hugging in public were wrong according to my parents.
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Maybe while drunk in college - thats about it - im not into PDA like we see at those filth fests
you come across as perpetually lonely
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Good point.
My personal view is that we all have a right to express OUR view pt.
BUT, we shouldn't think everyone will eventually agree with me if I shout long enough.
In the case of gay rights, I believe they should have marriage and employment equality .
It's their personal lifestyle I don't like and that has NOTHING to do with their legal rights.
I fully understand and agree with many of the reasons for "hate crimes" laws.
While we all have a right to THINK and say as we please, we don't have a right to act on that and physically hurt those who are different.
Didn't realize it'd been OK to beat-up on people before those laws. Thank goodness, then. Can't have that.
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I have a theory as to why gay pride and women's rights events, such as parades and demonstrations are sometimes outlandish and disgusting. Many of these folks felt and probably were repressed for a long time. Now that they are being afforded some rights, they're celebrating by getting in peoples faces, much like many teenagers do. It is safe to say these movements are in their formative (teenage) years. Like teens this probably does more harm than good. There are many conservative gay and bisexual folks who also think these parades are more harmful than helpful. I'm in this category, which explains why I have never attended such an event.
Good post.
When I see people doing "in your face", outrageous stuff , I think they're a real assclown.
That's not limited to sexuality in my case.
Here's a few wild acts that I always thought looked pointless and ignorant.
1. Some team wins a championship and fans celebrate the win by setting their coach on fire.
2. Heavy metal bands destroying their guitars by smashing them on stage.
3. Rap and hip hop performers always waving their arms around and wearing gold ash trays around their neck.
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Didn't realize it'd been OK to beat-up on people before those laws. Thank goodness, then. Can't have that.
Someone posted that homosexuality is illegal in Russia. It isn't. Homosexuals simply have no rights or protections. The result is that violet hate crimes against them are ignored as are all forms of discrimination.
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Someone posted that homosexuality is illegal in Russia. It isn't. Homosexuals simply have no rights or protections. The result is that violet hate crimes against them are ignored as are all forms of discrimination.
I mean that we've already covered the issue of wrongly beating people up. We've had it covered from way back when. (U.S.)
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no - i dont want to see you kissing your BF in public - keep that shit private. Its nasty .
LOL
dude just come out of the closet and stop all your obvious projection
no one will give a shit that you're gay
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Someone posted that homosexuality is illegal in Russia. It isn't. Homosexuals simply have no rights or protections. The result is that violet hate crimes against them are ignored as are all forms of discrimination.
I sure as hell don't think anyone should get beaten up just because someone is homosexual.
On VICE network they showed some human rights protests by the group "Pussy Riot".
Then they showed this one skinny dude jumping around with rainbow wings and mask on a stick.
I hate to admit this, but his look and behavior made me want to punch him LOL
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I sure as hell don't think anyone should get beaten up just because someone is homosexual.
On VICE network they showed some human rights protests by the group "Pussy Riot".
Then they showed this one skinny dude jumping around with rainbow wings and mask on a stick.
I hate to admit this, but his look and behavior made me want to punch him LOL
Do you believe if you saw this in person, you'd act on your impulse?
Gaycation a documentary series on Viceland provides a world view on LGBT issues. It's interesting to learn how gay folks act and survive in other places, such as Russia and the deep south. They also filmed in Tampa after the gay nightclub massacre. Anyone who thinks violence and hate crimes against gay folks no longer are an issue should watch this documentary show.
Clip from the Brazil episode
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Howard,
Honest question. Are you a closet homophob?
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Do you believe if you saw this in person, you'd act on your impulse?
Gaycation a documentary series on Viceland provides a world view on LGBT issues. It's interesting to learn how gay folks act and survive in other places, such as Russia and the deep south. They also filmed in Tampa after the gay nightclub massacre. Anyone who thinks violence and hate crimes against gay folks no longer are an issue should watch this documentary show.
Clip from the Brazil episode
Gays and lesbians always find a way to survive in any place in any time. For centuries gays had monasteries and lesbians had convents.
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Gays and lesbians always find a way to survive in any place in any time. For centuries gays had monasteries and lesbians had convents.
As a group, you are right. Individually, not so much. Think Mathew Shepard, for example.
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As a group, you are right. Individually, not so much. Think Mathew Shepard, for example.
The Shepard murder looks to be another sickening case of the media creating its own reality (maybe because they figure it "sounds" so much better than the truth, IDK). Those guys were known to be friends and fellow meth addicts, fellow wannabe dealers, who'd shared some history.
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The Shepard murder looks to be another sickening case of the media creating its own reality (maybe because they figure it "sounds" so much better than the truth, IDK). Those guys were known to be friends and fellow meth addicts, fellow wannabe dealers, who'd shared some history.
You are a pile of shit.
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^ I'm just as sorry he's dead, and that someone (anyone) wrongly met such an end. Aren't you?
The act of his death can't be made any more "wrong" by making stuff up.
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Do you believe if you saw this in person, you'd act on your impulse?
Gaycation a documentary series on Viceland provides a world view on LGBT issues. It's interesting to learn how gay folks act and survive in other places, such as Russia and the deep south. They also filmed in Tampa after the gay nightclub massacre. Anyone who thinks violence and hate crimes against gay folks no longer are an issue should watch this documentary show.
Clip from the Brazil episode
Absolutely NOT!
Just because I might be annoyed or disgusted by someone's protest does NOT give the right to physically attack them.
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Howard,
Honest question. Are you a closet homophob?
Only when I watch my wife being ass-fuked while hiding in the closet :D
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Only when I watch my wife being ass-fuked while hiding in the closet :D
Oh, okay. I knew you southerner, Georgia men are rarely racist or homophobic, but I just had to ask and make sure. :D
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The Shepard murder looks to be another sickening case of the media creating its own reality (maybe because they figure it "sounds" so much better than the truth, IDK). Those guys were known to be friends and fellow meth addicts, fellow wannabe dealers, who'd shared some history.
Since you neglected to provide a source for this theory, I looked for one. This is what I found:
"Stephen Jimenez, who has spent 13 years interviewing more than 100 people with a connection to the case. His conclusion, outlined in The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths about the Murder of Matthew Shepard, is that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that was flooding Denver and the surrounding area at the time of Matthew’s death. This new theory has, understandably, caused a lot of anger."
Whether it is true or not, cannot be proved. It is a possibility though. There is usually more to a story than we know. One part I found interesting was where a retired office Waters said, "Some of the officers I worked with had caught him (Henderson) in a sexual act with another man, so it didn’t fit – none of that made any sense.” Does anyone believe every G4P person is gay? Many if not most prostitutes go with whoever will pay the price and do whatever the client wants.
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Since you neglected to provide a source for this theory, I looked for one. This is what I found:
"Stephen Jimenez, who has spent 13 years interviewing more than 100 people with a connection to the case. His conclusion, outlined in The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths about the Murder of Matthew Shepard, is that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that was flooding Denver and the surrounding area at the time of Matthew’s death. This new theory has, understandably, caused a lot of anger."
Whether it is true or not, cannot be proved. It is a possibility though. There is usually more to a story than we know. One part I found interesting was where a retired office Waters said, "Some of the officers I worked with had caught him (Henderson) in a sexual act with another man, so it didn’t fit – none of that made any sense.” Does anyone believe every G4P person is gay? Many if not most prostitutes go with whoever will pay the price and do whatever the client wants.
Yes, the guy was well-involved in the "gay world" and was known to act as a prostitute for males. It was his life.
That's a problem for his claim of being "repulsed" and "freaked out" by a proposition he says Matthew made. IMO, he was coached to say what he did... probably because it was seen as a much stronger position to take than the "deranged drug-addict in a meth rage" angle.
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^ btw, just noticed the author of that book is said to be gay. So anyone looking to find a hit-piece needs to go elsewhere.
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Oh, okay. I knew you southerner, Georgia men are rarely racist or homophobic, but I just had to ask and make sure. :D
For me, the bottom line on this pride issue ( pun intended) is pretty simple.
1. I think that any adult has a right to enjoy whatever sex they desire with any other consenting adult.
2. Same sex couples deserve the same legal rights for marriage as traditional couples.
3. No gay person or couple should be mistreated , or physically abused just for being different.
BUT:
In my observation, the typical Pride parade or demonstration does NOT help me understand their lifestyle.
In fact , all that in "your face crap" makes me cringe.
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Yes, the guy was well-involved in the "gay world" and was known to act as a prostitute for males. It was his life.
That's a problem for his claim of being "repulsed" and "freaked out" by a proposition he says Matthew made. IMO, he was coached to say what he did... probably because it was seen as a much stronger position to take than the "deranged drug-addict in a meth rage" angle.
Undoubtedly, his defense lawyer(s) coached him to say he'd been propositioned. Sadly, all people hear is that gay Mathew propositioned him. Like Mathew was a threat -- give me a break! What's wrong with just telling puny Matt that he was not interested? Regardless of the killers reasons for committing such a horrendous crime, nothing makes it less evil and wrong.
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Undoubtedly, his defense lawyer(s) coached him to say he'd been propositioned. Sadly, all people hear is that gay Mathew propositioned him. Like Mathew was a threat -- give me a break! What's wrong with just telling puny Matt that he was not interested? Regardless of the killers reasons for committing such a horrendous crime, nothing makes it less evil and wrong.
This myth that gay people are actively ogling and preying on straight people is absurd. I've been going to gyms for over 25 years now including the spandex era and I've never been stared at "funny" or propositioned in
any way. It's like when you do an insurance job on your "stolen" car and tell the police you say two colored guys driving away in it.
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I agree and even most of my gay friends thinks these demonstrations and parades make them look bad. Truth is, they're not "harassed" or discriminated against anymore than anyone else and if they are (anyone) it's usually because they brought it on themselves.
I agree that some of those protests border ok the ridiculous, and the communities they (allegedly) represent would probably be better served better if they weren't happening.
But I think it's beyond silly to claim that people aren't being discriminated against and that if they are they brought it on themselves. That kind of "reasoning" is dangerously close to the reasoning of those who think that women's choice of dress is to blame for rape.
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I agree and even most of my gay friends thinks these demonstrations and parades make them look bad. Truth is, they're not "harassed" or discriminated against anymore than anyone else and if they are (anyone) it's usually because they brought it on themselves.
You actually have gay friends? I am amazed. Do these gay friends also agree with you about gay harassment and discrimination?
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I agree that some of those protests border ok the ridiculous, and the communities they (allegedly) represent would probably be better served better if they weren't happening.
But I think it's beyond silly to claim that people aren't being discriminated against and that if they are they brought it on themselves. That kind of "reasoning" is dangerously close to the reasoning of those who think that women's choice of dress is to blame for rape.
Good points! In my view, they should simply protest in a more dignified fashion and focus on the discrimination aspects.
Imagine having gay couples , dressed in fairly normal clothes, protesting with all the focus on some actual event or harmful action .
I'd support that .