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Title: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 07, 2017, 07:58:37 AM
Seems to me, based on what has transpired in the past, that the CIA does as it pleases when it pleases. From helping put together teams of "detractors" in foreign countries to taking active part in coup d'états... Seems as though they are out of control.

And the only time the president of the nation gets to hear about some of their activities is when their actions blow up in their faces and the CIC has to clean up the mess, diplomatically and legally.

When is the CIA swamp going to be drained?
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: GigantorX on January 07, 2017, 10:54:53 AM
Seems to me, based on what has transpired in the past, that the CIA does as it pleases when it pleases. From helping put together teams of "detractors" in foreign countries to taking active part in coup d'états... Seems as though they are out of control.

And the only time the president of the nation gets to hear about some of their activities is when their actions blow up in their faces and the CIC has to clean up the mess, diplomatically and legally.

When is the CIA swamp going to be drained?

Hopefully soon. This is the full court press here. All coordinated with the media outlets, politicians and such. If they are being this forceful and obvious about this you have to wonder what sort of wars and interventions they had in store for us if Clinton won the election? This looks to be the Deep State trying to get the train back on the tracks.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Las Vegas on January 07, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
Seems to me, based on what has transpired in the past, that the CIA does as it pleases when it pleases. From helping put together teams of "detractors" in foreign countries to taking active part in coup d'états... Seems as though they are out of control.

And the only time the president of the nation gets to hear about some of their activities is when their actions blow up in their faces and the CIC has to clean up the mess, diplomatically and legally.

It's very dangerous and not at all American anymore.

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When is the CIA swamp going to be drained?

First step is to break-up the media cabal, IMO.  No way it could happen without doing that.

And anyone who would work toward seeing it done, say a president, could only hope to succeed with their own highly-trusted security and intel.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: GigantorX on January 07, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
It's very dangerous and not at all American anymore.

First step is to break-up the media cabal, IMO.  No way it could happen without doing that.

And anyone who would work toward seeing it done, say a president, could only hope to succeed with their own highly-trusted security and intel.

Good post.

The CIA/State Dept couldn't care less about American citizens, our safety and the safety of our nation as it relates to us, it's citizens...i.e a free and democratic, open society guided by the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

They play for other people and powers and we are seeing them try to get the narrative back on track for the next set of global conflicts. All based on no solid evidence just a big media/political push to ram this through the American psyche. They even brought up Leon Panetta's corpse from the crypt to talk this stuff up.

Lots of talk about Trump "getting on the right side of this" and why he shouldn't "upset the intel agencies." Those aren't advice...those are threats.

Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 07, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
Another issue I see with the CIA and other rogue entities within the US government is that Trump is a danger to their agenda.

I would not be surprised if there is an assassination attempt on Trump if he decides to reshuffle the power structures within the intelligence agencies.

We've all seen what happened with Kennedy. The amount of whitewashing that went on to cover up what was an obvious inside job really shows how ceremonial the role of president is.

And how they've been able to sell the scientific impossibility that various shots that were fired from 11:30 and entered the president's head at 7:00 shows the level of collusion between the powers-that-be (of which the intelligence community are a part of) and the press, is really impressive.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Las Vegas on January 07, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Good post.

The CIA/State Dept couldn't care less about American citizens, our safety and the safety of our nation as it relates to us, it's citizens...i.e a free and democratic, open society guided by the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

They play for other people and powers and we are seeing them try to get the narrative back on track for the next set of global conflicts. All based on no solid evidence just a big media/political push to ram this through the American psyche. They even brought up Leon Panetta's corpse from the crypt to talk this stuff up.

Lots of talk about Trump "getting on the right side of this" and why he shouldn't "upset the intel agencies." Those aren't advice...those are threats.

Scary stuff.

Damn fine points.  Great post.  

And those are threats, you're right.  I was thankful to find out that Trump HAS been maintaining his own security and intel, and that he's resisted pressure to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Las Vegas on January 07, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
Another issue I see with the CIA and other rogue entities within the US government is that Trump is a danger to their agenda.

I would not be surprised if there is an assassination attempt on Trump if he decides to reshuffle the power structures within the intelligence agencies.

We've all seen what happened with Kennedy. The amount of whitewashing that went on to cover up what was an obvious inside job really shows how ceremonial the role of president is.

And how they've been able to sell the scientific impossibility that various shots that were fired from 11:30 and entered the president's head at 7:00 shows the level of collusion between the powers-that-be (of which the intelligence community are a part of) and the press, is really impressive.

Before this election, I'd become convinced that we were long past the point of ever having an outsider in office.  Maybe that's why I've found myself so reserved about Trump.  But every day since, it appears more convincing that he's what he seems to be... and that he won't be influenced in the same way as others in the past.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 07, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
Before this election, I'd become convinced that we were long past the point of ever having an outsider in office.  Maybe that's why I've found myself so reserved about Trump.  But every day since, it appears more convincing that he's what he seems to be... and that he won't be influenced in the same way as others in the past.

The problem is that they are going to make DT's job a living hell. I actually see some republicans being as hostile toward his proposals, if not more, than the democrats.

The powers-that-be are still trying to figure out what the heck is going on and whose pockets to line. They're slowly coming to realize that people are FED UP with globalization and the unending wave of fakism sported by the media and the politically correct crowd. The first victim is Chelsea Clinton, who, after her mom's political demise, was quickly rushed to the front of the political line in what was going to be another obvious exercise in political fronting: She is white, young and a female. Three birds, one stone. Problem is... she is also a Clinton, hence she will not get very far.

I love it! I love seeing the Soros and the big bankers rushing to golf outings in Chile to figure out how to unravel the current state of political affairs.

For starters, I see them going after WikiLeaks big time. Then they will force the media outlets to become more radicalized in their content. The republican establishment will also be tapped to exercise pressure.

I love it! I, for once, am proud of my people. I'm proud in the sense that we saw we were being taken for a ride and we made a decision in spite of the media hurricane of pro-Clinton support. None of the Scotland (or Quebec or any other fake indecisive a-holes) pro-independence 49-51% stuff.

Hillary's stench of post menstrual vaginal discharge was pungent enough and we called it.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 07, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
-Lots of editorials in this thread.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 07, 2017, 12:43:13 PM
-Lots of editorials in this thread.

Do you think the CIA is out of control? What are YOUR thoughts?
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 07, 2017, 01:30:22 PM
Do you think the CIA is out of control? What are YOUR thoughts?

My thoughts are that we have no idea if it is out of control or not. It would be interesting to know what more is in the classified report than the declassified one. As I've stated before, it is impossible to prove the release of the hacked information affected the peoples' vote. Either way, it is highly unlikely it will keep Trump from being inaugurated on January 20th.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: George Whorewell on January 07, 2017, 03:04:23 PM
Do you think the CIA is out of control? What are YOUR thoughts?

I never thought I'd live to see the day we agreed on something.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2017, 05:33:03 PM
Seems to me, based on what has transpired in the past, that the CIA does as it pleases when it pleases. From helping put together teams of "detractors" in foreign countries to taking active part in coup d'états... Seems as though they are out of control.

And the only time the president of the nation gets to hear about some of their activities is when their actions blow up in their faces and the CIC has to clean up the mess, diplomatically and legally.

When is the CIA swamp going to be drained?

All these federal 3 letter agencies are like this. 
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 07, 2017, 07:47:05 PM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 07, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.

We hack them as well. Obama knew about this years ago but chose 3 weeks before Trumps inauguration to make an issue of it. It's too bad that libs can't think before speak or act.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: SOMEPARTS on January 07, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.



In agreement but still no proof. Releasing the narrative to the press as okay to parrot but no proof. Press not even asking for proof.

A little too close the Ministry of Truth from 1984 for my liking.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: mass243 on January 08, 2017, 03:14:07 AM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.

He's a man with many skills.

This sums up the report quite well

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Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2017, 05:02:01 AM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.

As was noted by SomeParts there has been zero evidence to link the Russian government to the WikiLeaks email leaks or the hacks directly (which were standard phishing attacks) so all of this is still just allegations, assumptions and "judgments."

There is also nothing new in this report, it's a regurgitation of the DHI report from a week or two ago which was a rehash of prior reports from private sector security companies. Still no evidence, in fact they didn't even try to give any evidence.

The latest "definitive" report almost puts the "hacking" in the background and just tries to spin the yarn the Russia Today and paid trolls won the election for Trump. Funny thing is the DNC and Clinton campaign did the same things with our media and "Correct the Record" paid trolls from Media Matters and such.

Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Yamcha on January 08, 2017, 06:47:27 AM
Just so you know, In yesterday's report, all the main government security agencies are in agreement with regards to the Putin led Russian hacking of the DNC. They also hacked the RNC.

Free your mind.

Don't fall into the partisan arguments
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 08, 2017, 07:14:16 AM
My thoughts are that we have no idea if it is out of control or not. It would be interesting to know what more is in the classified report than the declassified one. As I've stated before, it is impossible to prove the release of the hacked information affected the peoples' vote. Either way, it is highly unlikely it will keep Trump from being inaugurated on January 20th.

Prime, the thing is we do have an idea. An NSA analyst (Snowden) threw the intelligence community under the bus a few years ago, and uncovered some real sick shit being done onto American citizens. More than 10 years ago, the CIA played an intrumental role in helping the Bush administration bring the case for war to the UN, even though they were no chemical weapons being cooked up in mobile chemical factories. Most declassified shit from the OSS years is so fucking sick that I feel embarrased we share the same air as these folks. And how about their role in overthrowing government after government? Assassinating Kennedy?

No evidence?
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 08, 2017, 09:10:06 AM
I never thought I'd live to see the day we agreed on something.

Look, when something is really as bad as the Obama administration has slowly become, it's not about rallying under political lines: Eventually it's the ones who voted the fucker into office and feel let down vs. the ones that don't seem to have the capacity to call out Obama when he is deserving of a verbal spanking.

I called out Bush Jr. when he was carrying out bad policies and making C+ decisions.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 08, 2017, 09:19:08 AM
All the people complaining about Russia hacking us, we do the same. Shit, we got caught tapping Angela Merkel's cell phone a few years back.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: mass243 on January 08, 2017, 09:51:57 AM
All the people complaining about Russia hacking us, we do the same. Shit, we got caught tapping Angela Merkel's cell phone a few years back.

Haha, which Angela made nothing against.
What a lapdog.
Would like to know the American formula for making their vassal states totally submissive.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Yamcha on January 08, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
Haha, which Angela made nothing against.
What a lapdog.
Would like to know the American formula for making their vassal states totally submissive.

Lol...

I may be too far down the rabbit hole after investigating all this PizzaGate/pedophilia junk, but there is one saying that keeps on popping up, "All roads lead to Israel."

I have taken that as not so much the state of Israel, but the (((global elite bankers))).

They use this pedo stuff to guarantee rise to power/money, but will use the pedo stuff as blackmail if those individuals try to stray from the (((agenda)))
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Erik C on January 08, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
Is the CIA out of control?

No. The CIA is in control!
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 08, 2017, 02:50:52 PM


In agreement but still no proof. Releasing the narrative to the press as okay to parrot but no proof. Press not even asking for proof.

A little too close the Ministry of Truth from 1984 for my liking.

Perhaps the truth lies within the classified report. The declassified report being an edited report. Perhaps there is no real proof since the U.S. intelligence report "concludes" a Russian hacking took place....conclusion not being absolute.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 08, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
Is the CIA out of control?

No. The CIA is in control!

Which is the sick part of the story.

The way they manipulate and bitch US presidents is really worrisome.

We are ALL bound by the US Constitution. ALL OF US in the USA.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 08, 2017, 06:11:23 PM
Which is the sick part of the story.

The way they manipulate and bitch US presidents is really worrisome.

We are ALL bound by the US Constitution. ALL OF US in the USA.

Is it more worrisome than the CIA, etc. identifying our enemies?

Are you saying the CIA is at odds with the constitution?

Just to be clear these are honest questions.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Yamcha on January 08, 2017, 06:22:57 PM
Is it more worrisome than the CIA, etc. identifying our enemies?

Are you saying the CIA is at odds with the constitution?

Just to be clear these are honest questions.

The CIA said there were weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons) in Iraq.
That's an honest statement. 

So they aren't very fucking good at identifying our enemies... 
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 08, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
The CIA said there were weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons) in Iraq.
That's an honest statement. 

So they aren't very fucking good at identifying our enemies... 

-can't disagree here. Keep in mind that the CIA claiming this was to the advantage of George W. Bush....dirty politics perhaps? Nothing brings people together better than an outside threat.

In this recent situation, the CIA isn't claiming Putin and Russia hacked into the conventions' computer systems. They are saying that this is their conclusion.  This is quite a different thing. Maybe they learned their lesson to never say anything for certain unless you have indisputable proof.
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Slapper on January 08, 2017, 06:50:04 PM
Is it more worrisome than the CIA, etc. identifying our enemies?

That's not the CIA's job. And if that's their job, they're doing a horrible job of it. Was Saddam Hussain our enemy? No. He was Kuwait's. Was Noriega (an ex-CIA operative) our enemy? No, he was just facilitating drug trafficking. Is Putin our enemy? No, by his own words.

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Are you saying the CIA is at odds with the constitution?

Not just the CIA, ALL of the intelligence agencies.

Like Snowden has said, "we should always make a distinction that right and wrong is a very different standard that legal and illegal. The law is no substitute for morality".
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 08, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
That's not the CIA's job. And if that's their job, they're doing a horrible job of it. Was Saddam Hussain our enemy? No. He was Kuwait's. Was Noriega (an ex-CIA operative) our enemy? No, he was just facilitating drug trafficking. Is Putin our enemy? No, by his own words.

Not just the CIA, ALL of the intelligence agencies.

Like Snowden has said, "we should always make a distinction that right and wrong is a very different standard that legal and illegal. The law is no substitute for morality".

Sorry, I have no faith in what Putin or Snowden says. Do you suppose Snowden has become a Russian citizen?

Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: SaintAnger on January 09, 2017, 07:58:53 AM
Which is the sick part of the story.

The way they manipulate and bitch US presidents is really worrisome.

We are ALL bound by the US Constitution. ALL OF US in the USA.

Well, except muslims, blacks, mexicans, etc. as per the Trump Doctrine. 
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Yamcha on January 09, 2017, 08:20:27 AM
Well, except muslims, blacks, mexicans, etc. as per the Trump Doctrine. 

can't wait for that one to get ratified  ::)
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Skeeter on January 09, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

1929

The culture we lost — Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, “Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail.”

1941

COI created — In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William “Wild Bill” Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942

OSS created — Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation’s rich and powerful that eventually people joke that “OSS” stands for “Oh, so social!” or “Oh, such snobs!”

1943

Italy — Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America’s most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945

OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the “Gehlen Organization,” a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia.

These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the “Butcher of Lyon”), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the “intelligence” the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious “missile gap.” To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.

1947

Greece — President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created — President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC — there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to “perform such other functions and duties… as the National Security Council may from time to time direct.” This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

1948

Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include “propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.”

Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works — the communists are defeated.

1949

Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40s

Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953

Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954

Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.

1956

Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an “Armee Clandestine” of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959

Haiti — The U.S. military helps “Papa Doc” Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the “Tonton Macoutes,” who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961

The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But “Operation Mongoose” fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963

Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964

Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down “communists” for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these “communists” are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965

Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being “communist.” The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic — A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country’s elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece — With the CIA’s backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) — A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966

The Ramparts Affair — The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire “professors” to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveals that the National Students’ Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967

Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the “reign of the colonels” — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cyprus, Johnson tells him: “Fuck your parliament and your constitution.”

Operation PHEONIX — The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 “Viet Cong.”


http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804)
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Skeeter on January 09, 2017, 10:19:15 AM
Part 2

1968

Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia — A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969

Uruguay — The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. “The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect,” is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis’. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970

Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971

Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Haiti — “Papa Doc” Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son “Baby Doc” Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.

1972

The Case-Zablocki Act — Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.

Cambodia — Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.

Wagergate Break-in — President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon’s illegal campaign contributions. CREEP’s activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.

1973

Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America’s first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

CIA begins internal investigations — William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.

Watergate Scandal — The CIA’s main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon’s crimes long before any other newspaper takes up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA’s many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, “Deep Throat,” is probably one of those.

CIA Director Helms Fired — President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.

1974

CHAOS exposed — Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.

Angleton fired — Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.

House clears CIA in Watergate — The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon’s Watergate break-in.

The Hughes Ryan Act — Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report nonintelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.

1975

Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola — Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger’s assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

“The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence” — Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department.

“Inside the Company” — Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.

Congress investigates CIA wrong-doing — Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation (“The Church Committee”), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA’s accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.

The Rockefeller Commission — In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the “Rockefeller Commission” to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission’s namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission’s eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.

1979

Iran — The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA’s backing of SAVAK, the Shah’s bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Afghanistan — The Soviets invade Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the occupying Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.

El Salvador — An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to “normal” — the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.

Nicaragua — Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.

1980

El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter “Christian to Christian” to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D’Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981

Iran/Contra Begins — The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be “pressured” until “they say ‘uncle.’” The CIA’s Freedom Fighter’s Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.

1983

Honduras — The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual – 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras’ notorious “Battalion 316″ then uses these techniques, with the CIA’s full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.

1984

The Boland Amendment — The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to “hand off” the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA’s informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes “humanitarian aid” donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.

1986

Eugene Hasenfus — Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan’s claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

Iran/Contra Scandal — Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media’s attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.

Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that “Baby Doc” Duvalier will remain “President for Life” only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

1989

Panama — The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA’s payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA’s knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega’s growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington… so out he goes.

1990

Haiti — Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide’s return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1991

The Gulf War — The U.S. liberates Kuwait from Iraq. But Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, is another creature of the CIA. With U.S. encouragement, Hussein invaded Iran in 1980. During this costly eight-year war, the CIA built up Hussein’s forces with sophisticated arms, intelligence, training and financial backing. This cemented Hussein’s power at home, allowing him to crush the many internal rebellions that erupted from time to time, sometimes with poison gas. It also gave him all the military might he needed to conduct further adventurism — in Kuwait, for example.

The Fall of the Soviet Union — The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn’t been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community’s budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.

1992

Economic Espionage — In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA’s clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.

1993

Haiti — The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti’s military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country’s ruling class.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804)
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 09, 2017, 01:06:56 PM
Sorry, I have no faith in what Putin or Snowden says. Do you suppose Snowden has become a Russian citizen?



Um - Remember Clapper denying under oath what snowden revealed? 
Title: Re: Is the CIA out of control?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 09, 2017, 04:40:43 PM
Um - Remember Clapper denying under oath what snowden revealed? 

Truth....they all lie even the ones YOU support, whoever they are.