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I resent that so many MMA fights are accused of being fixed. I think the UFC, Bellator, Invicta are not corrupt and legit organizations. But that doesn't mean corrupt people are not involved.
This made me go, "hmmm"
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Certainly some sort of coded tapping to release him.
Got him in a choke hold - tap & release ::)
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they probably rehearsed the whole thing over and over before the fight.
im not saying you should stop betting on belator fights
im just saying you need to stop betting on who you think would win, and rather bet on who you think THEY are gonna let win :D
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they probably rehearsed the whole thing over and over before the fight.
im not saying you should stop betting on belator fights
im just saying you need to stop betting on who you think would win, and rather bet on who you think THEY are gonna let win :D
exactly why Conner got the nod over Nate in their rematch.
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I fell asleep before it even started. Having it all over social media didn't help either
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Nonsense. Sonnen didn't have the choke sunken in properly. He had to let it go and try to improve his position then he gave up his back to Ortiz to avoid getting his face smashed in by Tito's ground and pound game.
One molecule of Tito's thumb might have touched Sonnens hand for a fraction of a second. Certainly not a "tap". Too many conspiracy theorists these days. This country ass m0therfucker probably believes in Bigfoot too.
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Nonsense. Sonnen didn't have the choke sunken in properly. He had to let it go and try to improve his position then he gave up his back to Ortiz to avoid getting his face smashed in by Tito's ground and pound game.
One molecule of Tito's thumb might have touched Sonnens hand for a fraction of a second. Certainly not a "tap". Too many conspiracy theorists these days. This country ass m0therfucker probably believes in Bigfoot too.
No.
A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.
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Heard he got paid 500.000 USD for the Ortiz-fight.
Chael has also signed a 6 fight contract with Bellator.
Wanderlei is next!
He generates numbers with hyping the fight before the fight, he doesnt need to win to get money these days.
Good for Chael, good money for the least effort.
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No.
A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.
What's he going to do just hold that position until the end of the round. Sit there and do nothing? Big Johns isn't going to let you hold one position and not continue to work.
This is so stupid. Sonnen is a 39 year old fighter coming off a 2 plus year lay-off. He had a chance at the guillotine but he didn't get the choke under Tito's neck properly. Simple.
Look at that "tap". They barely touched each other. People just like to believe stupid shit so they can feel smart. Idiotic.
The added context of the full fight makes the video in the op look silly.
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No.
A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.
The post-fight press conference was a joke. Chael was asked several times how he couldn't have gotten that choke locked in. Chael's excuse was that he couldn't get his leg on the right side. This from a guy that went several rounds out grappling Anderson Silva. ::)
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The post-fight press conference was a joke. Chael was asked several times how he couldn't have gotten that choke locked in. Chael's excuse was that he couldn't get his leg on the right side. This from a guy that went several rounds out grappling Anderson Silva. ::)
he looked uncomfortable getting the questions, kinda like he was thinking on how to avoid it or spin it
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People just want to think what they want to think. To hear people talk these days everything in the world is fixed and every word that's spoken is a lie.
Our entire existence as human beings has become a conspiracy theory. Sonnen had a brief shot at this fight but Tito got out and subbed him. Simple as that.
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People just want to think what they want to think. To hear people talk these days everything in the world is fixed and every word that's spoken is a lie.
Our entire existence as human beings has become a conspiracy theory. Sonnen had a brief shot at this fight but Tito got out and subbed him. Simple as that.
No.
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No.
A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.
No.
Look everyone, an MMA expert! I'm sure you've rolled with some of the best grapplers in the world and your trained eye can see much more than the average fan.
The voice of authority! When can I enroll on you Jiu-Jitsu classes Master? ;D
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kimbo shamrock was fixed too.
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Certainly some sort of coded tapping to release him.
Got him in a choke hold - tap & release ::)
Na, Tito tapped his other hand. Sonnen wouldn't have see or felt it.
It's shit fights like this that make me have no interest in watching anything from Bellator.
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Look everyone, an MMA expert! I'm sure you've rolled with some of the best grapplers in the world and your trained eye can see much more than the average fan.
The voice of authority! When can I enroll on you Jiu-Jitsu classes Master? ;D
When you reach puberty.
Or at least a teenage equivalent IQ.
No hurry, we will wait.
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When you reach puberty.
Or at least a teenage equivalent IQ.
No hurry, we will wait.
Yes Sensei! What ever you say Sensei!
You don't know shit....you think you know...but you don't know.
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from what i can see from the video tito does a small tap with his fingers, it appears that chad looks down as it happens and then change his hold.
coincidence?
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The fight didn't make a lot of sense. Chael had the darce locked up and could've gone for it but instead (after Tito taps his hand) decides to abandon that and go for a shitty arm-in guillotine when he wasn't even close to having the position for it. Then he taps to a choke that was not under the chin and was at a strange sideways angle that i cant recall anyone ever tapping to something similar. I know Chael tends to tap quicker than others when caught in a sub but this was just a VERY weird fight all around.
(http://www.mixfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Tito-Ortiz-Sonnen-Bellator-01.jpg)
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It wasn't weird it was sloppy. You have two 40 year old fighters. One has-been, and one never-was. Made perfect sense to me. Exactly what I expected to happen.
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he also gets taken down super-easy with a single leg almost instantly when the fight starts.
there's more action in sparring.
seems pretty obvious to me how it went down: let's throw a few half-ass kicks/punches, you go for a single leg which i dont even try to defend against, we roll around a little, play around with chokes and then ill let you get full mount and choke me out, sounds good? ok!
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Yes Sensei! What ever you say Sensei!
You don't know shit....you think you know...but you don't know.
Still wrong.
And alone in your opinion.
I bet you train Tapout.
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It wasn't weird it was sloppy. You have two 40 year old fighters. One has-been, and one never-was. Made perfect sense to me. Exactly what I expected to happen.
So since you knew "exactly" what would happen, how much did you bet on Ortiz?
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Strange fight, but who knows.
The lack of standup was a huge letdown. Why on earth is Tito still fighting with a repaired neck?
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Fixed.
Just like a few other fights that have happened in UFC/ Bellator as of late.
You people need to open your eyes!
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Was hoping ortiz would have a heart attack during the fight.... but chael took the dive before ortiz could get there. Very disappointing.
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Sure looked like a dive to me!
And the new rules, and, especially, the new gloves for Bellator suck.
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So since you knew "exactly" what would happen, how much did you bet on Ortiz?
I don't gamble.
Sonnen is 39 and hasn't fought in like 2 years. Tito is really hard to sub, he has one submission loss in 20 years and the guy who caught him was 6'6". A guy Sonnen's size isn't choking him out.
Tito was even out striking Sonnen in this fight until he took him down. Look a this picture, Sonnen is defensless in this position...
(http://www.mixfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Tito-Ortiz-Sonnen-Bellator-01.jpg)
This was a bad sloppy fight by two guys that are washed.
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Was hoping ortiz would have a heart attack during the fight.... but chael took the dive before ortiz could get there. Very disappointing.
Tito was in good shape. I give him props for that. TRT for sure
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Tito was in good shape. I give him props for that. TRT for sure
Yeah.... I guess. Still would have been nice if he dropped dead.
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Sonnen was out classed in this fight, he did absolutely nothing. The only reason he got that half assed choke attempt is because Tito sloppily fell into it while taking Sonnen down.
Tito rolled right out of the choke and just sat there. Nothing happened. Sonnen played this like a wrestling match. This isn't wrestling, it's a fight. If you can't hurt your opponent with strikes or submit them, you are fucked.
It's only because Tito is so washed at 42 years old that it wasn't over sooner. Put Sonnen in with any real competition and he is gonna get merked.
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reason sonnen lost was because he agreed to.
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reason sonnen lost was because he agreed to.
Waiting for the supporting evidence.
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Waiting for the supporting evidence.
there is as much evidence he threw the fight as there is Ortiz won it fair and square.
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there is as much evidence he threw the fight as there is Ortiz won it fair and square.
Oh, so that's how accusations work?
OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.
Now provide evidence that you are not.
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Oh, so that's how accusations work?
OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.
Now provide evidence that you are not.
Very sneaky way to request cock pics from Be There, but some of us saw right through it.
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Waiting for the supporting evidence.
ive been talking about it all along in this thread - how he reacts to tito tapping when he sees it and change position, how easy he goes down with a lame ass one leg-grab, how he doesnt even try to put up a fight add to that bellator faking fights before (shamrock vs kimbo) and chaels fake-wrestling approach to - well anything.
add to that half the internet is screaming it was fixed:
"Well I'm not sure. He won but it looks fake to me. Props to Chael Sonnen. And I loved seeing Tito's wife jumping when he "won" #Bellator170"
"Main event was scripted! Sonnen could have stopped him twice. Fake BS which is why Bellator fails. #Bellator170 @ChaelSonnen @titoortiz"
"@BellatorMMA @titoortiz His career ends with the biggest scripted / fake "fight" Shit Show EVER ... WWE is more believable than Bellator"
"@joerogan what are your thoughts on Chael Sonnen vs Tito Ortiz tonight? The whole thing looked fake to me #BellatorMMA"
"#bellator170 that Tito Ortiz fight was FAKE AS FUCK!!!!"
"TITO FIGHT WAS RIGGED! SO FAKE!"
"So uhh, is Bellator fixed? That looked super fak"
etc
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good video
- chael gets taken down super easily
- tito tapping, so chael change choke
- chael letting tito get full mount
- tito neither choking or putting pressure on chael, just holding, yet chael tapping
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Oh, so that's how accusations work?
OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.
Now provide evidence that you are not.
theories are not evidence.
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Very sneaky way to request cock pics from Be There, but some of us saw right through it.
LOL. Nicely done.
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theories are not evidence.
You are missing my point. If some one makes an accusation (or presents a theory since you are slow) it's up to the person making said accusation to provide evidence. If they can't then they are just talking shit.
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You are missing my point. If some one makes an accusation (or presents a theory since you are slow) it's up to the person making said accusation to provide evidence. If they can't then they are just talking shit.
there is evidence in the form of a tap, it is there on film, now, what evidence do you have that the tap meant nothing, lets stick to the one bit of evidence we have.
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either the tap meant nothing or it meant get off me and move.
The fact he released straight after the tap suggests the latter.
So, based on the balance of probabilities the tap meant something.
as such , the fight was fixed.
the prosecution rests.
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The fight was legit and on the up and up.
Chael's mic skills for an MMA guy are an A but if you look at it as just some athlete using pro wrestling techniques to sell a match(which is exactly what he is doing), I would give him a C+ or B-
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there is evidence in the form of a tap, it is there on film, now, what evidence do you have that the tap meant nothing, lets stick to the one bit of evidence we have.
That's not evidence. It was not a tap. Even if there was a tap, you have no proof that the tap was a pre-arranged signal determined ahead of time by the fighters. People on the internet have a lot of theories and suspicions about a lot of topics. Largely these people have very little practical experience and knowledge of the sport or activity that they are discussing.
When it comes to sports and fights especially everyone is quick to say this was fixed or that was fixed. They are in a hurry for things to be fixed. They see it when it is not there. They don't know what thy are talking about. They are miles away from the sport and the people that run it and compete in it. They just like to feel smart and feel like they are "free thinkers" and they they are somehow better than all the "sheep" out in the world. It's ego driven.
These are the same people with no background in structural engineering that are talking about the steel beams in the twin towers.
These are the same people with zero knowledge of astronomy or physics babbling about how the moon landing was faked.
They are full of shit.
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Really look at this alleged tap. Tito's hand never makes contact with Sonnens hand. Tito's fucking thumb moves up and for a fraction of a second faintly touches what appears to be be Sonnens glove.
His thumb. This whole theory is based on Tito's fucking thumb.
Answer a question for me. What do you really know about grappling and Jiu-Jitsu? Have you ever trained at all? If so at what level?
What is it exactly, that qualifies you to interpret position changes or to explain what a profesional fighter is doing or should be doing inside the octagon?
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Big John has words with Tito.
(Rumored to have been for holding the choke too long)
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Big John has words with Tito.
(Rumored to have been for holding the choke too long)
Yes he did. He hung on until John Pried him off. In the broadcast you can see Tito telling McCarthy "I'm sorry".
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Yes he did. He hung on until John Pried him off. In the broadcast you can see Tito telling McCarthy "I'm sorry".
You can see the respect even an old vet like Tito has for Big John.
Gives him a nod, takes his criticism and moves on.
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You can see the respect even an old vet like Tito has for Big John.
Gives him a nod, takes his criticism and moves on.
Pretty sure Big John refereed Tito's first UFC fight in back in 1997.
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That's not evidence. It was not a tap. Even if there was a tap, you have no proof that the tap was a pre-arranged signal determined ahead of time by the fighters. People on the internet have a lot of theories and suspicions about a lot of topics. Largely these people have very little practical experience and knowledge of the sport or activity that they are discussing.
When it comes to sports and fights especially everyone is quick to say this was fixed or that was fixed. They are in a hurry for things to be fixed. They see it when it is not there. They don't know what thy are talking about. They are miles away from the sport and the people that run it and compete in it. They just like to feel smart and feel like they are "free thinkers" and they they are somehow better than all the "sheep" out in the world. It's ego driven.
These are the same people with no background in structural engineering that are talking about the steel beams in the twin towers.
These are the same people with zero knowledge of astronomy or physics babbling about how the moon landing was faked.
They are full of shit.
and as such all that validates my original point which you jumped all over
there is as much evidence he threw the fight as there is Ortiz won it fair and square.
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and as such all that validates my original point which you jumped all over
Stop saying "as such" idiot. Still waiting on you grappling and Jiu-Jitsu credentials.
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For what it's worth, there were tons of Pro and former Pro fighters (who know a hell of a lot more than anyone here) calling bullshit on Twitter and social media and I agree. Cheal threw this.....
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I'm 50/50... It wasnt a choke, more of a neck-crank... Which are uncomfortable as hell 2 say the least. First time i got neck cranked was by a bin purple belt/judo blk belt and Pan-Am Games bronze medalist WOMAN whoninoutwrighed by 80+ lbs. Rolled with a lot of pan-am games medalists just because of my size at the time.. They'd use me as a grappling dummy way back when i first started. Lol. Lotta Brazilians, Cubans, & Russians whoxouldnt get licensed in the u.s. for whatever reason and would fight in Mexico (how I got my start).
Long story short; neck cranks hurt, tito's bigger/stronger than Chael... But Chael like money.
, so odds of Chael tapping or throwing the fight are 50/50 imo.
(Used to hate Chael till i saw some.of his interviews and he's totally not the "persona" he portrays in interviews or media leading up to his fights. He does a great job at selling a fight he's in. 100% pro-wrestling style. Sorta like josh Barnet... you think these guys are complete total douchebags until you hear them in a "normal" setting and not promoting a fight, &. And you realize they are super intelligent and likable people complete opposite of the characters they portray leading up to a fight
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Stop saying "as such" idiot. Still waiting on you grappling and Jiu-Jitsu credentials.
I don't need any credentials to understand what a tap means in MMA
Same reason I don't need to be a qualified plumber to know what a dripping tap means. (see what I did there)
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Jenna would have put up more of a fight.
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Jenna would have put up more of a fight.
;D ;D ;D
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Stop saying "as such" idiot. Still waiting on you grappling and Jiu-Jitsu credentials.
As such
(http://www.bjjheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Jeff-Joslin.jpg)
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For what it's worth, there were tons of Pro and former Pro fighters (who know a hell of a lot more than anyone here) calling bullshit on Twitter and social media and I agree. Cheal threw this.....
Correction: who know a hell of a lot more than the general fan and martial artist, but not more than anyone here on Getbig, as such.
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Shame I missed a couple of half naked guys trying to apply a rear naked choke hold to each other...
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Shame I missed a couple of half naked guys trying to apply a rear naked choke hold to each other...
typical saturday night for you
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well there were some real fights on that card as well.
just stay away from the main event. anything with kimbo slice, ken shamrock, tito, sonne, rampage etc would be more fake wrestling than mma
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well there were some real fights on that card as well.
just stay away from the main event. anything with kimbo slice, ken shamrock, tito, sonne, rampage etc would be more fake wrestling than mma
As such.
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I fell asleep before it even started. Having it all over social media didn't help either
The Huntington Beach Fat Boy couldn't stay awake to watch the Huntington Beach Bad Boy?
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typical saturday night for you
Only with you "big"mc only with you.
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Per UFC/ fighter analysis guy, DAN HARDY.
Ah, so the truth is starting to come out a bit. Not only is Chael a fighter with a 6 fight contract with Bellator where he works, but has invested in Bellator, so his income is based on the success of the promotion, not of his fight. FIX.....but nothing will be done about it just like all the other fixes in MMA.
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If it wasn't fixed, or Chael dived, then the fight still sucked, and that's a fact.
The new rules, and the new gloves suck too. Just call it cage fighting, because calling it any kind of Martial Arts, is a joke.