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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Howard on January 30, 2017, 04:15:52 AM
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I was listening to legal scholar J. Turley and his opinion was the new exec order was legal.
It appears that the courts tend to side with Presidential authority when it comes to immigration.
Despite what some claim, this won't be considered as a religious ban LEGALLY.
Thoughts?
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For non-immigrant visas, should be a slam dunk. Will be harder case to make for those who received immigrant visas, and for green card holders, the president will be on very shaky legal ground.
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I agree w the substance of it - how he went about it was extremely clumsy.
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These individuals ("refugees") do not have U.S. rights, regardless of their chosen religion.
The constitution is fairly straightforward in this regard, no?
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U.S. visas, of any class, are different from those issued by other countries. They do not confer the right to enter the United States, but the right to present oneself at a Port of Entry (including airports) to ask for permission to enter the United States.
A green card does not guarantee they can remain in the U.S. Crimes as well as security matters can (and do) lead to removal.
https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-5684.html (https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-5684.html)
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A green card does not guarantee they can remain in the U.S. Crimes as well as security matters can (and do) lead to removal.
Yup, US legal, permanent resident status can be lost easily. If a legal US resident leaves the US and doesn't return for 5 or more years, he/she loses permanent resident status automatically and most likely will never again regain it.
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WHY DOENS'T SAUDI ARABIA EMBRACE THEIR FELLOW MOHAMMED WORSHIPERS?
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Gross oversimplification-there's no actual time limit-it focuses more on discernible intent.. In any case, the lprs affected by Trump's EO don't fall into this category. They had no intent to abandon lpr status but were abroad on temporary visits to relatives. This order refused them admission solely on the basis of national origin. Unlike an NIV applicant, certain constitutional protections extend to lprs. If Trump hadn't back-tracked on the lpr issue, they would've certainly sued, and they would have had a very strong case.
Yup, US legal, permanent resident status can be lost easily. If a legal US resident leaves the US and doesn't return for 5 or more years, he/she loses permanent resident status automatically and most likely will never again regain it.
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Sad that a lot of people believe this is unconstitutional. Once again a lack of basic knowledge/comprehension.
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Gross oversimplification-there's no actual time limit-it focuses more on discernible intent.. In any case, the lprs affected by Trump's EO don't fall into this category. They had no intent to abandon lpr status but were abroad on temporary visits to relatives. This order refused them admission solely on the basis of national origin. Unlike an NIV applicant, certain constitutional protections extend to lprs. If Trump hadn't back-tracked on the lpr issue, they would've certainly sued, and they would have had a very strong case.
Not my point at all. I was agreeing with, and adding to this:
A green card does not guarantee they can remain in the U.S. Crimes as well as security matters can (and do) lead to removal.
In addition, there is no guarantee that an American citizen, born or naturalized, won't visit family in one of the listed countries, become radicalized, and then return to the US with intent to commit terrorist acts.
However, unlike legal permanent residents, naturalized American citizens at least go through a vetting/screening process, are questioned about any past/present ties to terrorist groups, are tested in the English language, are tested in American history and government, and have to take an Oath of Allegiance before they are granted American citizenship.
This too is no guarantee, but it goes much much further than a legal permanent resident returning from one of the listed countries.
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Sad that a lot of people believe this is unconstitutional. Once again a lack of basic knowledge/comprehension.
Not only that, the media keeps stating that this is a "Muslim Ban".
That is a blatant lie only used to fan the hatred fires they're already responsible for
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Upholding the law is constitutional.
They should parade the names of Dems that passed the Patriot Act and created Homeland Security if there are any questions. They are fighting against their own vote.
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I agree w the substance of it - how he went about it was extremely clumsy.
which is exactly how he is going to do everything
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which is exactly how he is going to do everything
Lol! Lolz...
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I agree w the substance of it - how he went about it was extremely clumsy.
Yes, it was extremely clumsy...or was it?
The Trump Show: Controlled distraction
With the nation still erupting over his travel ban on refugees and people from seven majority-Muslim countries, President Trump made a programming announcement: Tuesday at 8 p.m. -- what's known as "prime time" in the TV business -- he would announce his nominee for the Supreme Court.
The announcement was unrelated to the controversial executive order he had signed late Friday afternoon, and the chaos that order had sown in cities and airports around the world. In television parlance, he was counterprogramming: pitting one show (his announcement) against another (the rolling and largely negative coverage of his executive order and the protests against it).
It's a familiar play for Trump: During his presidential campaign, he made controversial statements or scheduled rallies to distract attention from his opponents.
Every major news organization covered Trump's Supreme Court tweet, but normally an impending nomination announcement would dominate the news; on Monday, it barely registered amid the cacophony of headlines and analysis surrounding the travel ban. At Monday's White House press briefing, the majority of questions focused on the ban. There were only two about the forthcoming Supreme Court nominee.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/media/trump-reality-tv/index.html
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Yes, it was extremely clumsy...or was it?
The Trump Show: Controlled distraction
With the nation still erupting over his travel ban on refugees and people from seven majority-Muslim countries, President Trump made a programming announcement: Tuesday at 8 p.m. -- what's known as "prime time" in the TV business -- he would announce his nominee for the Supreme Court.
The announcement was unrelated to the controversial executive order he had signed late Friday afternoon, and the chaos that order had sown in cities and airports around the world. In television parlance, he was counterprogramming: pitting one show (his announcement) against another (the rolling and largely negative coverage of his executive order and the protests against it).
It's a familiar play for Trump: During his presidential campaign, he made controversial statements or scheduled rallies to distract attention from his opponents.
Every major news organization covered Trump's Supreme Court tweet, but normally an impending nomination announcement would dominate the news; on Monday, it barely registered amid the cacophony of headlines and analysis surrounding the travel ban. At Monday's White House press briefing, the majority of questions focused on the ban. There were only two about the forthcoming Supreme Court nominee.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/media/trump-reality-tv/index.html
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Loco knows...
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Loco knows...
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LOL @Trump smiling in the background.
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Will Obama be allowed back into the US when returning from his vacation? ???
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Will Obama be allowed back into the US when returning from his vacation? ???
O-Fag was and is a plague on this nation.
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Serious question:
Why does the "other side" often need to use ridicule and personal insults?
Gaybama deserves it. F him.
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Will Obama be allowed back into the US when returning from his vacation? ???
Is he not a US citizen?