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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: LuciusFox on April 02, 2006, 10:45:23 PM
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I am trying to create a list of Uncrowned Mr. Olympias because I want to know who would have won in a contest between them. I can think of "Big" Shaun Allen...
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jay
kevin
flex
lee labrada
umm i dont feel like thinking
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RIch Gaspari
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Gary Strydom
shawn ray
chris cormier
flex wheeler
jack london
danny padilla
mike mentzer
vince taylor
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Ahhh what the hell, I'll say it...Greg Kovacs.
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Ahhh what the hell, I'll say it...Greg Kovacs.
if your going to say what you think well so will i palumbo
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you'll find all the mr olympias were crowned tyvm ..... not one year since the show began did joe tell the winner to f'uck off !
hope this helps ....
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if your going to say what you think well so will i palumbo
Then I'll say.......
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you'll find all the mr olympias were crowned tyvm ..... not one year since the show began did joe tell the winner to f'uck off !
hope this helps ....
sergio, zane, columbu, dickerson, bannout all were reigning Mr O's who got their ass handed to them.
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The top 3 men who in my opinion should've been Mr. Olympia - Flex Wheeler (a few times) Kevin Levrone, and Shawn Ray.
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realistically, If we want we could say that Sergio beat Arnold in..what was it 72? Robbie could have beat Zane a couple of times...Metzer should have crused Zane in 79 but they were never compared. Metzer really should have won in 80..c'mon now, Arnold had no legs what so ever..from there:
Padilla-should have won the 81 O, no if's and's or but's about it.
Platz-If not Danny than he should have been the man.
Bertil Fox-Lots of people still think he won in 83.
Labrada-89 and 90..especially 90, how any judge could give Haney who was down what 25lbs the nod over Lee at that show is beyond me.
Ray-94 and 96..almost perfection..
Cutler-what year was it when he really whooped Ronnie's ass? I really can't remember right now...2001? Anyway he should have won that year..How do you loose a show in the posedown? I really thought Levrone could have won the year Jay didn't compete..the year Gunter placed 5th. kevin's body was so streamlined and muscular vs. just being a big ball of ugly muscle..might have been good for the sport.
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The problem is that there is only on olympia a year,
and so many contenders.
Did some people looked damned good, yeah,
can they get the sandow, no, cause there was a better contender.
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With different judges, things could have gone so differently. But we still would have had a list of Uncrowned Mr. Olympias. I nominate Mars :)
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Tom Platz-1981
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Mike Mentzer, of course.
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Padilla
Cutler
Levrone
Flex
Ray
Lebrada
Mentzer
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Mike Mentzer, of course.
Looks good, but not that wide. Probably would have beaten Columbu, Zane or Dickerson, in due time.
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1) Shawn Ray
2) Flex Wheeler
3) Kevin Levrone
4) Nasser El Sonbaty (questionable to most)
5) Alexxx (you did mean the Mr & Mrs right?) LOL!!!
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if jay never wins the olympia will he go down as the greatest to never win it ???
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Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler stand alone in this catagory. How neither one of these two brilliant physiques never won a Sandow is beyond me.
Levrone should [most probably] have won one and Jay Cutler should have walked away in '01.
But hey, we're all flogging a dead horse, right? 8)
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if jay never wins the olympia will he go down as the greatest to never win it ???
Yes.
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Padilla
Cutler
Levrone
Flex
Ray
Lebrada
Mentzer
I agree....but also back in the day.....
Dave Draper
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Bertil Fox
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Bertil Fox
Crazy ass pecs man those other mr o suck a big penise
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Callendar, Labrada, Ray, Cutler
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I agree....but also back in the day.....
Dave Draper
I totally forgot about Dave... Agree 100 percent...
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the two that were legitamately robbed of a title at an actual contest are
#1 Lee Labrada
and #2 Jay Cutler
after that I'd say
Levrone
Flex
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Callendar, Labrada, Ray, Cutler
Callendar...really?
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http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/callender.html
Check the Callender pix yourself & decide.
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Crazy ass pecs man those other mr o suck a big penise
Hey "Rehtarf Ruo", welcome back, "Behtil" rules ;D
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1. Flex
2. Kevin
3. Shawn
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http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/callender.html
Check the Callender pix yourself & decide.
Huge upper body and legs that were probably good for his day.
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I don't think Flex should be on any of these lists.
Why?
Because to me, an "uncrowned Mr. Olympia" is someone that should have won an olympia contest, but did not.
And, it can be argued quite convincingly that Flex Wheeler did not deserve to win ANY of the Olympia contests he entered.
he had the POTENTIAL to win, but never showed up in great shape (even in 1993, his best Olympia appearance ever, he was soft from the back below the waist (no hams, glutes or calves). Personally, I though Shawn should have been higher than Flex in 93. Had Flex shown up in his AC condition, I think he could have won the whole thing. But, he choked. And that was the curse of his career: he never got it all together for the Olympia. He always seemed to peak for the AC.
Some of the others on this list (eg. Kevin (02), Shawn (94) and Labrada (90) are the TRUE uncrowned olympians because they should have won the olympia on a particular year, but were given second instead.
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I don't think Flex should be on any of these lists.
Why?
Because to me, an "uncrowned Mr. Olympia" is someone that should have won an olympia contest, but did not.
And, it can be argued quite convincingly that Flex Wheeler did not deserve to win ANY of the Olympia contests he entered.
he had the POTENTIAL to win, but never showed up in great shape (even in 1993, his best Olympia appearance ever, he was soft from the back below the waist (no hams, glutes or calves). Personally, I though Shawn should have been higher than Flex in 93. Had Flex shown up in his AC condition, I think he could have won the whole thing. But, he choked. And that was the curse of his career: he never got it all together for the Olympia. He always seemed to peak for the AC.
Some of the others on this list (eg. Kevin (02), Shawn (94) and Labrada (90) are the TRUE uncrowned olympians because they should have won the olympia on a particular year, but were given second instead.
you forgot 2001 when Ronnie lost to Jay Cutler ;)
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you forgot 2001 when Ronnie lost to Jay Cutler ;)
I would say that Jay is an Uncrowned Mr. Olympia
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I would like to include myself in this category. But in the near future will win the title. :)
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I would say that Jay is an Uncrowned Mr. Olympia
Jay is pretty much the frontrunner in the "uncrowned mr. olympia class"
The man won pre-judging by 6 pts. We all know the night show isn't worth jack shit. Especially enough to make up 6 points.
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Jay is pretty much the frontrunner in the "uncrowned mr. olympia class"
The man won pre-judging by 6 pts. We all know the night show isn't worth jack shit. Especially enough to make up 6 points.
That was the show that showed me that professional bodybuilding is bullshit.
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That was the show that showed me that professional bodybuilding is bullshit.
I learned that way back in 1994 8)
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I learned that way back in 1994 8)
I had only been followed bodybuilding since 1998. How about you? I take it you started around the Dorian era?
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I had only been followed bodybuilding since 1998. How about you? I take it you started around the Dorian era?
I lost my bodybuilding virginity in 1990 or so.
Even back then, Shawn Ray was being screwed 8)
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I lost my bodybuilding virginity in 1990 or so.
Even back then, Shawn Ray was being screwed 8)
It's the kind of thing where, if you were a parent, you would tell your kids, "Life's not fair".
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Been around a long time...WATCHED Frank Zane beat Robby Robinson for the O.....Robbys arm was bigger than Zanes leg....conditioning you could argue should never beat such awesome size and shape....and Robby was by no means smooth......Think Robby defined an era in bodybuilding and should of had one Sandow. What do you guys think?
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Been around a long time...WATCHED Frank Zane beat Robby Robinson for the O.....Robbys arm was bigger than Zanes leg....conditioning you could argue should never beat such awesome size and shape....and Robby was by no means smooth......Think Robby defined an era in bodybuilding and should of had one Sandow. What do you guys think?
I also find it pretty hard to believe he hadn't won one. I guess in those days a more conditioned smaller guy could win. But it is bodybuilding, so size should matter.
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Shawn Ray with out a doubt should have won Mr. O. He was the most consistent body builder year after year. By far he had the most complete physic for he's time!
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For your viewing pleasure.....
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If only Shawn used decca.. he coulda been mr. Olympia.
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Hands down Shawn is the most symmetrical bodybuilder of my time. :o
Hell he looks like the bodybuilder I received on my trophy from my body building contest! Phenomenal!
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Damn Shawn looked awesome - I'd better stock up on Viraloid and 17-HD now so i can look just like he did before it was invented!
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Shawn Ray's body was beautiful :o
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For your viewing pleasure.....
the guy looks a shit asethetic guy.he was too small to b mr olympia.even when in 1994 when they were awarding the final two,ray looked a fuckin 10yr old boy standing next 2 yates.ray was just a hype that was never full filled.i'll say him and wheeler r the greatest loosers and the worst ever in bodybuilding history!!!!!THEY BOTH WERE LOUD MOUTHS.......
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shawn'the girly voiced' ray was not even close 2 dorians condition.some say ray beat yates in 19996...haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a in his dreams.......no way in hell any 1 would have ever beaten yates in 1996.on of the most immpressive wins ever.yates was flawless that year.competed at 255lbs or so his condition was just plain unbeatable.i still can't under stand y bodybuilding is only awarding the symmetrical dickheads......olympia is all about mass and no aesthetic assholes like lee,shawn and wheeler could ever b the winners of olympia.i stiil wonder how they won the arnold is still beyond me
and about cutler and kevin smokin coleman is all non-sense......cutler beat ronnie in abs and thighs and the rest of cutler was nothin but the same old jay.ronnie had far more better arms,chest and back,delts.he made jays upper body look like a 10yr old.ronnie won hands down
levrone in 2002 was just a hype.ronnie although was down in size that year but still had the muscles 2 smoke any one..coleman beat levrone in all back poses,side chest and legs.levrone too did beat ronnie in a couple of poses but not all.it was tough for ronnie 2 win that show also but still nailed i big time.......
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Shawn looks impressive on the foto's,
and it's true, he gained size without sacrificing on detail or physique. The problem is that he had to compete other guys who where also monsters in detail and physique.
Call the Video.
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Tony Little,
Jake Seinfeld --- they should have had 2 titles each >:(
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" The Shadow" is typical of guys on this board who dont have a clue how to truly judge a physique competition. Structure, size , symmetry, shape, conditioning....COMPLETE physiques. Too many times the Olympia is a popularity contest, with judges to fearful to vote against the grade. This is why we have guys reigning year after year after year undeservedly so. Haney lost to Labrada, Yates lost to Ray, Coleman lost to Cutler - in a year when the champ showed up in poor shape due to drug testing, injury, or mistiming their peak. You should not win if your out of shape, just because you deservedly won the last three years. The End. You youngsters have much to learn.
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" The Shadow" is typical of guys on this board who dont have a clue how to truly judge a physique competition. Structure, size , symmetry, shape, conditioning....COMPLETE physiques. Too many times the Olympia is a popularity contest, with judges to fearful to vote against the grade. This is why we have guys reigning year after year after year undeservedly so. Haney lost to Labrada, Yates lost to Ray, Coleman lost to Cutler - in a year when the champ showed up in poor shape due to drug testing, injury, or mistiming their peak. You should not win if your out of shape, just because you deservedly won the last three years. The End. You youngsters have much to learn.
Looks like bodybuilding has hit the point of no return. Size is valued so much more than aesthetics, which is fine, unless some unaesthetic beast wins the Mr. Olympia.
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Fox.....The chemicals have damaged the vision as well as the aesthetics. LOL. What good is a 22 " arm, if your other arm is torn and barely 18". What good is a sixty inch chest if your gh gut hangs out further than your pecs? Sorry about the injury, but judge the frickin show on the package your presenting THAT day. Champions fade with receptor burnout and injury-all related to excessive use.
Ps. You may not like Shawn Ray for all sorts of reasons, but on pure physique ALONE, he is without a f'n doubt one of the greatest EVER. If you dispute that , you really do not understand competitive bodybuilding.
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Jay failed the drug test in 2001. The fact that none of them are natural is besides the point.
He should have been DQ'd.
Rules are Rules.
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Fox.....The chemicals have damaged the vision as well as the aesthetics. LOL. What good is a 22 " arm, if your other arm is torn and barely 18". What good is a sixty inch chest if your gh gut hangs out further than your pecs? Sorry about the injury, but judge the frickin show on the package your presenting THAT day. Champions fade with receptor burnout and injury-all related to excessive use.
Ps. You may not like Shawn Ray for all sorts of reasons, but on pure physique ALONE, he is without a f'n doubt one of the greatest EVER. If you dispute that , you really do not understand competitive bodybuilding.
That is the problem with judging. You are sometimes judged on what you used to look like, for better or for worse, and not what you look like now. I guess it is a give and take. Get mass and give up lean waists.
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top 5 bodybuilders who should have won an Olympia
1) Shawn Ray
2) Kevin Levrone
3) Flex Wheeler
4) Tom Platz
5) Jay Cutler
I think Johnnie Jackson looks great too, great full muscle bellies, don't know if he's olympia material yet what do you think?
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branch will win it before johnnie jackson ever does