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Does anyone have some factual info on the republican health care/Ins plan? Thanks! :)
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They've had YEARS upon YEARS to come up with something... and *crickets*
That's what's infuriating.
The only plan I've seen has been from Rand Paul... which is a health savings approach.
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Health saving plan is a flop and future disaster.
Despite years of non stop repeal attempts, they have yet to offer any replacement solutions. Despite Trump promising "huge" and "so many plans, so many we can't even tell you about them" replacement plans, they don't have shit for replacing anything.
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My OLD fuckin' health insurance which fuckin' worked fine for 20 fuckin' years since I had it..
HOLY SHIT...
can I just get my health insurance back.. the same fuckin' one I used to have my whole fuckin' life that worked just fine
for me and the other 99.9999% of people the in US which covered what I needed, not what I didnt, had a normal fuckin deductible and didn't put the fuckin' insurance companies out of business
HOLY SHIT.... this dumb ass fucking country..
was nothing fuckin wrong with the 100 years of insurance before Oturdocare
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Why can't things just go back to pre-Obamacare days? Obamacare was implemented to help 15% of the US population anyway, and it ended up hurting them instead with the premium and deductible increases.
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Why can't things just go back to pre-Obamacare days? Obamacare was implemented to help 15% of the US population anyway, and it ended up hurting them instead with the premium and deductible increases.
It's nice that you're concerned a out health care in the US
What's the healthcare system in your country?
Some kind of single payer universal coverage plan?
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It's nice that you're concerned a out health care in the US
What's the healthcare system in your country?
Some kind of single payer universal coverage plan?
Thank you!
That's on a "need to know" basis.
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Thank you!
That's on a "need to know" basis.
What's the issue with telling us how health care works in your country?
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What's the issue with telling us how health care works in your country?
No issue. This thread, and my post above is about how health care works in the US. I discuss what I want to discuss, not what you want me to discuss.
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No issue. This thread, and my post above is about how health care works in the US. I discuss what I want to discuss, not what you want me to discuss.
Why do you care about health care in a country where you do not reside?
What other countries healthcare systems are of interest to you?
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Why do you care about health care in a country where you do not reside?
What other countries healthcare systems are of interest to you?
Why not?
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My OLD fuckin' health insurance which fuckin' worked fine for 20 fuckin' years since I had it..
HOLY SHIT...
can I just get my health insurance back.. the same fuckin' one I used to have my whole fuckin' life that worked just fine
for me and the other 99.9999% of people the in US which covered what I needed, not what I didnt, had a normal fuckin deductible and didn't put the fuckin' insurance companies out of business
HOLY SHIT.... this dumb ass fucking country..
was nothing fuckin wrong with the 100 years of insurance before Oturdocare
Exactly. The previous "plan" was lightyears ahead of Obamacare so go back to that until something can get figured out if needed. Simple.
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The United States is the greatest country in the history of the world ... and it's 2017 ... and it still hasn't forged a national consensus on health care?
But I guess that's not surprising given that the U.S. is a country that's still rasslin' with the whole abortion issue.
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The United States is the greatest country in the history of the world ... and it's 2017 ... and it still hasn't figured out a national consensus on health care?
But I guess that's not surprising given that the U.S. is a country that's still rasslin' with the whole abortion issue.
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Exactly. The previous "plan" was lightyears ahead of Obamacare so go back to that until something can get figured out if needed. Simple.
Pretty much. We don't have to (and should not) keep a bad law on the books.
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Pretty much. We don't have to (and should not) keep a bad law on the books.
which is what I was hoping Trump would do the 1st day in office like he promised.
Not sign some dumb ass piece of paper which does shit.
Now tax season is here and once again I have to pay a freakin' penalty for not being able to afford health insurance and not being able to afford the penalty.
Being penalized by my government for not buying a product from a PRIVATE fuckin' company
holy shit..
2.5% of my fuckin income to cover Googles and other worthless scum
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which is what I was hoping Trump would do the 1st day in office like he promised.
Not sign some dumb ass piece of paper which does shit.
Now tax season is here and once again I have to pay a freakin' penalty for not being able to afford health insurance and not being able to afford the penalty.
Being penalized by my government for not buying a product from a PRIVATE fuckin' company
holy shit..
2.5% of my fuckin income to cover Googles and other worthless scum
He cannot repeal a law. Congress has to do that. I don't have a problem with his pace on this.
Sorry you are getting hosed. That is something courtesy of Obama and Congressional Democrats.
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He cannot repeal a law. Congress has to do that. I don't have a problem with his pace on this.
Sorry you are getting hosed. That is something courtesy of Obama and Congressional Democrats.
The hosing is surely the Democrats, but Trump has NO plan to get rid of Obamacare.
He just doesn't.
The town halls this week all but guarantee it will stay relatively in place.
I really don't see how hard it would be to at least overturn the penalty portion. The Republicans have all chambers and the Presidency.
They could have done it already if they really wanted to.
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ideally nothing
deregulation not government is the answer
government will just make price go up and supply go down
same as in all industry
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I don't know if that's true across the board nor is it a good idea.
No one wants to go back to the premise of not being able to get insurance because of pre-existing conditions and what not.
Were it not for government regulation, pregnancy would be a pre-existing condition.
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The hosing is surely the Democrats, but Trump has NO plan to get rid of Obamacare.
He just doesn't.
The town halls this week all but guarantee it will stay relatively in place.
I really don't see how hard it would be to at least overturn the penalty portion. The Republicans have all chambers and the Presidency.
They could have done it already if they really wanted to.
I think he will keep the preexisting conditions and keeping older kids on the plan portions, but I cannot imagine he will keep the mandate. With Price at the head of HHS, I think something will get done.
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I think he will keep the preexisting conditions and keeping older kids on the plan portions, but I cannot imagine he will keep the mandate. With Price at the head of HHS, I think something will get done.
I really wish this was done already. I'm absolutely shocked this isn't done at all.
I guess it being a law does cause a lot more trouble.
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I really wish this was done already. I'm absolutely shocked this isn't done at all.
I guess it being a law does cause a lot more trouble.
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I don't think he can eliminate the mandate without Congress changing the law. He has to enforce the law until Congress changes it. Or least that's the way it's supposed to work.
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Simple
Abortion...take the stairs
Broken arm....stick and twine
Surgery needed....die
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We're still trying to find out the "plan" for Obamacare.
This is just weak Coach. You can do better than this.
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Simple
Abortion...take the stairs
Broken arm....stick and twine
Surgery needed....die
Yes, because that's what we had in place before this disaster of a law.
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Yes, because that's what we had in place before this disaster of a law.
For about 32 million people, yes. That was essentially it. Don't get sick and if you do, die.
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For about 32 million people, yes. That was essentially it. Don't get sick and if you do, die.
I don't believe that number. Never did. And it was never die if you get sick. People who cannot afford preventative health care could always get treatment. State and county hospitals do not charge them. Medicare, Medicaid, and their state equivalents were always available for people living in poverty. Anti-patient dumping exists in probably every state, which requires hospitals to treat anyone who shows up at the ER, regardless of their ability to pay. So to say people simply died without treatment is absolutely false.
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I don't believe that number. Never did. And it was never die if you get sick. People who cannot afford preventative health care could always get treatment. State and county hospitals do not charge them. Medicare, Medicaid, and their state equivalents were always available for people living in poverty. Anti-patient dumping exists in probably every state, which requires hospitals to treat anyone who shows up at the ER, regardless of their ability to pay. So to say people simply died without treatment is absolutely false.
I do have a serious question here.
Has anyone done any studies discussing the percentages of people who have not died because of preventative medicine and correlated it with the extra numbers of people on insurance because of the healthcare act, and in turn, determined if the healthcare bill has in fact, saved some number of lives?
If so, what was the number of lives saved, or the percentage of lives that were made longer and by how long were they increased due to the healthcare mandate / tax / whatever you want to call it?
Just wondering if it was or was not worth the trouble.
Another question.
How much more have Insurance companies pocketed (percentages per year if any) than before the mandate?
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I do have a serious question here.
Has anyone done any studies discussing the percentages of people who have no died because of preventative medicine and correlated it with the extra numbers of people on insurance because of the healthcare act, and in turn, determined if the healthcare bill has in fact, saved some number of lives?
If so, what was the number of lives saved, or the percentage of lives that were made longer and by how long were they increased due to the healthcare mandate / tax / whatever you want to call it?
Just wondering if it was or was not worth the trouble.
Another question.
How much more have Insurance companies pocketed (percentages per year if any) than before the mandate?
Good question, but I have no idea. Not sure I would trust any kind of study done by the government anyway.
And don't even get me started on insurance companies. They are almost as bad as the gas/oil companies, who always maintain their profit margin. I remember some years back one of our HMOs had almost a billion dollar reserve and was still raising rates.
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I don't believe that number. Never did. And it was never die if you get sick. People who cannot afford preventative health care could always get treatment. State and county hospitals do not charge them. Medicare, Medicaid, and their state equivalents were always available for people living in poverty. Anti-patient dumping exists in probably every state, which requires hospitals to treat anyone who shows up at the ER, regardless of their ability to pay. So to say people simply died without treatment is absolutely false.
Not everyone that wasn't able to afford preventative health care survived. In many cases they died before, during and after "treatment".
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Just heard on WSJ radio: There will need to be 60 senators on board to replace Obamacare. Not sure if there are enough centrists, or senators up for re-election, to make 60.
So now I see why they are saying it might not be until 2018... >:(
Jesus, what a mess.
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Why not?
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What other countries healthcare systems where you don't reside also interest you.
How do they compare to our system or the unnamed country where you live?
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Not everyone that wasn't able to afford preventative health care survived. In many cases they died before, during and after "treatment".
Pretty broad statement. Can you narrow it down some? What people are you talking about who died because they could not obtain medical treatment?
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Pretty broad statement. Can you narrow it down some? What people are you talking about who died because they could not obtain medical treatment?
People who never made it to the ER. People who got to the ER too late. People that had cancer which at one point in their life was treatable, if not curable.
If you are asking for names you are just being a douche. You know that these things have happened and probably continue to happen.
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What other countries healthcare systems where you don't reside also interest you.
How do they compare to our system or the unnamed country where you live?
That's on a "need to know" basis.
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People who never made it to the ER. People who got to the ER too late. People that had cancer which at one point in their life was treatable, if not curable.
If you are asking for names you are just being a douche. You know that these things have happened and probably continue to happen.
No need to be a punk. I'm just trying to understand your point. If you're telling me that large numbers of people who wanted healthcare, but could not obtain it, got sick or injured, were unable to obtain treatment, and died as a result, I say prove it. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that's true.
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Remeber Obama stole 2008 and 2012.
acorn vote fraud and IRS suppression of tea party along with fake news and union bussing.
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Remeber Obama stole 2008 and 2012.
acorn vote fraud and IRS suppression of tea party along with fake news and union bussing.
There is zero proof of any of this.
Please. Can this be moved to the conspiracy board?
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There is zero proof of any of this.
Please. Can this be moved to the conspiracy board?
That troll's days are numbered.
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No need to be a punk. I'm just trying to understand your point. If you're telling me that large numbers of people who wanted healthcare, but could not obtain it, got sick or injured, were unable to obtain treatment, and died as a result, I say prove it. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that's true.
Not trying to be a punk. But you are not being honest/realistic. You don't think people without insurance have ignored warning signs, dealt with chronic pain popped otc drugs until the pain or effects of whatever disease/illness you want to use to fill in the blank and then when they finally can't take it anymore or it becomes debilitating they end up in the ER only to find out they have a death sentence? But by you asking me to "prove it", you are being a douche. This shit has happened and will continue to happen. Something as simple as high blood pressure aka the silent killer could be detected via the yearly physical that is now fully covered thanks to the ACA. I'd venture that a great number of people have succumbed to heart attacks and strokes due to high blood pressure.
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That's on a "need to know" basis.
What's the problem with sharing your knowledge of other countries health care systems and how they compare to the US (for better or worse)
You seem to have studied these things. You don't need to specify the country where you reside in order to discuss this.
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Not trying to be a punk. But you are not being honest/realistic. You don't think people without insurance have ignored warning signs, dealt with chronic pain popped otc drugs until the pain or effects of whatever disease/illness you want to use to fill in the blank and then when they finally can't take it anymore or it becomes debilitating they end up in the ER only to find out they have a death sentence? But by you asking me to "prove it", you are being a douche. This shit has happened and will continue to happen. Something as simple as high blood pressure aka the silent killer could be detected via the yearly physical that is now fully covered thanks to the ACA. I'd venture that a great number of people have succumbed to heart attacks and strokes due to high blood pressure.
Calling someone a douche because they ask you to clarify or provide more information is acting like a punk. Really unnecessary. I don't ask set-up/gotcha questions.
You are mixing scenarios. Of course there are people who ignore warning signs, don't get treatment, and suffer and die as a result. But you're also saying that large numbers of these people actually wanted healthcare but were unable to obtain it because of cost, etc. That's where we disagree.
If you look at my state for example, we have a law that requires employers to provide health insurance for every employee who works at least 20 hours a week for 4 consecutive weeks. In other words, anyone with at least slightly more than part-time job has health insurance. For those who are unemployed, or employed less than 20 hours, they qualify for Quest, which is our state equivalent of Medicaid. Quest includes preventive healthcare. Are there people who still slip through the cracks? Yes. But it's not a large number of people, despite what some activists say. People by and large choose not to take advantage of available resources.
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Calling someone a douche because they ask you to clarify or provide more information is acting like a punk. Really unnecessary. I don't ask set-up/gotcha questions.
You are mixing scenarios. Of course there are people who ignore warning signs, don't get treatment, and suffer and die as a result. But you're also saying that large numbers of these people actually wanted healthcare but were unable to obtain it because of cost, etc. That's where we disagree.
If you look at my state for example, we have a law that requires employers to provide health insurance for every employee who works at least 20 hours a week for 4 consecutive weeks. In other words, anyone with at least slightly more than part-time job has health insurance. For those who are unemployed, or employed less than 20 hours, they qualify for Quest, which is our state equivalent of Medicaid. Quest includes preventive healthcare. Are there people who still slip through the cracks? Yes. But it's not a large number of people, despite what some activists say. People by and large choose not to take advantage of available resources.
Ok. No more "douche" talk. My bad. If a hundred people slip through the cracks, that's too many for me. I'm certain that it is much higher than that anyways. It's never going to be a good or at the very least a fair system for everyone as long as the profit motive drives health care.
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Ok. No more "douche" talk. My bad. If a hundred people slip through the cracks, that's too many for me. I'm certain that it is much higher than that anyways. It's never going to be a good or at the very least a fair system for everyone as long as the profit motive drives health care.
No worries.
I agree that we ought to do something to provide a safety net for people who slip through the cracks. What I don't think we should do is turn the system upside to help those folks. People who were happy with their healthcare and doctors should not have been forced into plans designed by the government.