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More and more Pro bodybuilders become top mens physique competitors. They want to win by a easier route. >:( >:( >:(
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More and more Pro bodybuilders become top mens physique competitors. They want to win by a easier route. >:( >:( >:(
examples?
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Capriese Murray (Physique)
Darrem Charles (Classic Physique)
Must be some others too.
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Maybe they don't want a giant GH gut? ???
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Capriese Murray (Physique)
Darrem Charles (Classic Physique)
Must be some others too.
Capriese had health issues.
Darren just never had the genetics to match his peers, even in 03 or so when it seems he "upped the dose".
I remember the buffoonery of him stating over and over he was "natural", like an excuse for him looking like a swimmer onstage against his peers. Sure be looked good, but I don't understand why guys just don't tell the "truth" & say being 255+lbs just isn't in their genetic deck of cards no matter what they do/use. I understand there's contracts involved, but why not just say nothing then? Instead of making a point to lie and insult peoples intelligence.
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Capriese had health issues.
Darren just never had the genetics to match his peers, even in 03 or so when it seems he "upped the dose".
I remember the buffoonery of him stating over and over he was "natural", like an excuse for him looking like a swimmer onstage against his peers. Sure be looked good, but I don't understand why guys just don't tell the "truth" & say being 255+lbs just isn't in their genetic deck of cards no matter what they do/use. I understand there's contracts involved, but why not just say nothing then? Instead of making a point to lie and insult peoples intelligence.
QFT
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So classic physique equals men's physique? Weird rationale..
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Capriese had health issues.
Darren just never had the genetics to match his peers, even in 03 or so when it seems he "upped the dose".
I remember the buffoonery of him stating over and over he was "natural", like an excuse for him looking like a swimmer onstage against his peers. Sure be looked good, but I don't understand why guys just don't tell the "truth" & say being 255+lbs just isn't in their genetic deck of cards no matter what they do/use. I understand there's contracts involved, but why not just say nothing then? Instead of making a point to lie and insult peoples intelligence.
Agree 100% why lie when saying nothing will suffice and not make you look bad?
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Capriese had health issues.
Darren just never had the genetics to match his peers, even in 03 or so when it seems he "upped the dose".
I remember the buffoonery of him stating over and over he was "natural", like an excuse for him looking like a swimmer onstage against his peers. Sure be looked good, but I don't understand why guys just don't tell the "truth" & say being 255+lbs just isn't in their genetic deck of cards no matter what they do/use. I understand there's contracts involved, but why not just say nothing then? Instead of making a point to lie and insult peoples intelligence.
He probably meant that he can't take pinning as much as he needs. At that level anything under 2 grams a week is natural.
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Capriese had health issues.
Darren just never had the genetics to match his peers, even in 03 or so when it seems he "upped the dose".
I remember the buffoonery of him stating over and over he was "natural", like an excuse for him looking like a swimmer onstage against his peers. Sure be looked good, but I don't understand why guys just don't tell the "truth" & say being 255+lbs just isn't in their genetic deck of cards no matter what they do/use. I understand there's contracts involved, but why not just say nothing then? Instead of making a point to lie and insult peoples intelligence.
Actually, Darrem did. And back when he "did up the dosage", he was formiable. Also, there were close calls between him and Victor at the GNC, and when Phil came on the scene Phil placed over him at the Colorado Pro and The NY Pro. And let's not forget Darrem is known for having some of the freakiest arm among his contemporaries. And he competed longer than Flex, Kev, etc.
Darrem along with Flex would not look good at 255+, just like Phil won't either. In order for them to tell the truth about it, they first have to accept it themselves.
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Lee Banks just competed in mens classic BB and got second to Darrem Charles in the Katrina classic.
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Less drugs, more drugs, kamikaze dosages ... who fuckin' cares.
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Actually, Darrem did. And back when he "did up the dosage", he was formiable. Also, there were close calls between him and Victor at the GNC, and when Phil came on the scene Phil placed over him at the Colorado Pro and The NY Pro. And let's not forget Darrem is known for having some of the freakiest arm among his contemporaries. And he competed longer than Flex, Kev, etc.
Darrem along with Flex would not look good at 255+, just like Phil won't either. In order for them to tell the truth about it, they first have to accept it themselves.
I know, but aside from the NY Pro, his wins were at smaller shows like the toronto and colorado and such... And unfortunately that NYP was weak that year. I mean Ahmed Haidar was runner-up ffs. Lol. Victor Martinez was way off and still took 3rd and beat Caprise Murray, who i thought shoulda been at least 2nd. Sore subject since the Night of Championships was always my favorite.
I still think Darrem wouldve looked "ok", if not better at 250+ since he had the same sorta structure as ronnie and flex. Even if his gut bubbled up, he still wouldve had a back to match and his biceps would be similar to ronnies (& he had triceps similar to ronnies as well, as opposed to somebody with "meatier" tri's like flex, roelly, dillet, etc), & we saw what happened to his delts, w/likely a combination of site-injections and added bw/mass. I couldnt see his legs suffering that much, as he much needed more size to his legs, if even at the expense of 10% detail/striations.
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Maybe some are wising up. While also not very healthy, classic BB and physique are overall much easier on the body than current modern day bodybuilding.
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Capriese Murray (Physique)
Darrem Charles (Classic Physique)
Must be some others too.
Darrem was a combination of aging, and never being large - using large? - to begin with.
Perhaps he used everything in the pharmacy and simply didn't grow beyond 220 or 230, or maybe he always had it in his mind to not push his body and stay consistent with his look. The new division opened up, and it just made sense to compete in it, rather than attempt to be competitive with mass monsters, that posed a challenge for him even at his all-time peak.
I don't assume all competitors have the same mentality. I will compete in local strongman contests, but not if it means exceeding 170-lb in body weight, or having a resting heart rate over 72. As of now, my HR is 47, and all is well.
Even at the world level, I believe there are competitors who are like this. Based on the drugs found in his home, and his body size, Art Atwood was clearly on a ton of stuff. Don Youngblood was over 300-lb and beet red at 50, looking to compete at the 2006 New York Pro, despite having previously undergone angioplasty. Jay Cutler said in a post-Olympia interview with MD, that after the 2010 Mr. Olympia, he went home and essentially curled up into a ball due to massive dehydration.
Not all competitors are this reckless with their health. As I said, I am just a local competitor, but I could probably qualify for nationals in the 170-lb division under CAASA, and I simply refuse to push my body to a break point - or get anywhere close to that for that matter.
With a lot of savings, as well as a family, perhaps Darrem paid mind to longevity and his own health? Surely some pro bodybuilders do.
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Atwood was also a dealer. Which would explain the amounts found in his home. ..... Then there are the painkillers and stims.
I know and have met a few strong men and each of them was pretty nonchalant about using amphetamines and coke. I couldn't fathom competing in what they do on coke, much less even just training on coke. Seems like a heart-attack timebomb.
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Atwood was also a dealer. Which would explain the amounts found in his home. ..... Then there are the painkillers and stims.
I know and have met a few strong men and each of them was pretty nonchalant about using amphetamines and coke. I couldn't fathom competing in what they do on coke, much less even just training on coke. Seems like a heart-attack timebomb.
True about Atwood. So it's tough to know for certain what he was using. According to a friend who posted on ProfessionalMuscle, Atwood's doctor said that Atwood had the worst cholesterol he had ever seen in a patient. That was a year prior to his death [2010]. Art was getting winded just
Opiates make sense in strongman. Cocaine or amphetamines? Not so much. But I suppose they could help. I just don't get why such a health risk would be worth the presumably mild enhancement effects.
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DARREM just basically looks like a'smaller 'version of his top look with still a small waist/and maybe a less harder look,he luckily didn't blow up and then been stuck with a large waist but smaller look,,his legs are only part that are downsized to a degree,and in terms of his 'wins'he won 6-8 shows I believe and always showed up in stellar shape,he had 'feathered quads'and great arms/abs .his usage was what it was and it worked for his look...
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What contest is Kevin L. entering soon? Is it CLASSIC?
Someone ought to change this CLASSIC terminology due to the fact that there are many events such as The Arnold Classic which do not promote a classic contest.
Or maybe I are just too dumb to fully comprehend.
I personally think that we will be seeing a lot of the bodybuilding pros (since there are way too many at present) dropping down to enter a classic contest or possibly even a physique contest.
This may be especially true among those hundreds of new BB pros who have a snow-ball's chance in Hades to do well in a noteworthy pro bodybuilding contest.
I gotta assume that a former pro BB contender is qualified to enter a pro classic or physique event without further qualification necessities.
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Here's somewhat of a related question.
How many US IFBB Pro Bodybuilders exist today?
What percentage of US contenders who place high enough within an NPC event to qualify as an IFBB Pro actually apply for and receive an IFBB Pro Card each year?
Are IFBB Pro Cards renewable each year without the need to enter or win an IFBB event?
What is the renewal fee?
What percentage of the total number of IDBB pros actually win cash award in any given year?
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I dunno about "a lot" of pros dropping down to classic. I only know of 3... And 2 of those were/are retired due to health issues and came back/coming back (caprise and flex). If a guy retired because he couldnt compete with the extreme development of the open or even 212 class, but still enjoys competeing/training/dieting, then great. Let'em. It's a good business more on the ifbb's part cuz now you're getting more people posting for an ifbb pro card and more guys paying for npc cards. Dunno if the extra cost to the promoters will be outweighed by increased show attendance, though
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Here's somewhat of a related question.
How many US IFBB Pro Bodybuilders exist today?
What percentage of US contenders who place high enough within an NPC event to qualify as an IFBB Pro actually apply for and receive an IFBB Pro Card each year?
Are IFBB Pro Cards renewable each year without the need to enter or win an IFBB event?
What is the renewal fee?
What percentage of the total number of IDBB pros actually win cash award in any given year?
Here's an answer to a couple of these questions.
With all the classes that exist these days, the number of pros may be in the high single thousands or even tens of thousands
Who knows how many who qualify apply for the cards? Many probably wait until they have a professional competition in mind and then get the card just like the rest of us get our NPC card in conjunction with registering for an amateur show.
Yes, once a pro always a pro from what I have heard from a pro bodybuilder, as long as you have the card in hand once you decide to compete. I even believe a lapse is OK and you can get a card again once you decide on a future competition. But please verify this, as they might have gotten stricter about lapses.
The latest I heard the annual fee was kind of steep, I think $250.
Hardly any pros win any cash. Definitely less than 5 percent. That's why the whole sport is weird. Guru and supplement expenses which are huge for pros, airfare even overseas for prep or competition, hotel, pro card fees, food and other expenses. All of this just to be in a lineup where you need to beg a small audience in a strange city for applause only to come in 16th, with eight or more competitors coming in 16th. So you know you didn't place but don't know how badly you didn't place. It's an obsession, not a sensible sport.
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Here's an answer to a couple of these questions.
With all the classes that exist these days, the number of pros may be in the high single thousands or even tens of thousands
Who knows how many who qualify apply for the cards? Many probably wait until they have a professional competition in mind and then get the card just like the rest of us get our NPC card in conjunction with registering for an amateur show.
Yes, once a pro always a pro from what I have heard from a pro bodybuilder, as long as you have the card in hand once you decide to compete. I even believe a lapse is OK and you can get a card again once you decide on a future competition. But please verify this, as they might have gotten stricter about lapses.
The latest I heard the annual fee was kind of steep, I think $250.
Hardly any pros win any cash. Definitely less than 5 percent. That's why the whole sport is weird. Guru and supplement expenses which are huge for pros, airfare even overseas for prep or competition, hotel, pro card fees, food and other expenses. All of this just to be in a lineup where you need to beg a small audience in a strange city for applause only to come in 16th, with eight or more competitors coming in 16th. So you know you didn't place but don't know how badly you didn't place. It's an obsession, not a sensible sport.
UK gets one pro card a year...
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Only the nobodies and has-beens.
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ESF and MPH, Thanks for those potential positive responses.
I have herd that the Pro renewal card is more like $300 and maybe the same when you join initially but once again I am not positive about that.
And MPH, I tend to agree with you about renewing an IPBB Pro Card if one plans on entering an IFBB Pro event that year, but I bet that a large percentage of those contenders who qualify for a Pro Card pay the dues and apply for one immediately after placing/winning in a qualifying event.
Here is a point that may not be evident to all GetBiggers:
As per agreement between the IFBB and the NPC many years ago, the NPC can only promote amateur events within the USA and its territories and the IFBB can only promote pro shows within the USA ......
But the IFBB can promote both amateur and professional events throughout the world other than as mentioned above.
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BETHERE, whom from the UK got those IFBB pro cards recently?
Are you saying that IFBB Pro Cards were only 'awarded' to the one bodybuilder who won the overall?
How about the others such as Bikini, Fitness, Classic, Physique, etc?