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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: calfzilla on April 05, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
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Been looking around and find a lot of used bmws for really great prices. I hear a big reason is because the repair and maintenance costs are so high. My question is how much higher are they than average vehicle repair costs. If it was just 1.5 - 2 times as much that wouldn't be too bad considering the saving on the vehicle and you get to drive a higher end car. But if it is 3-5 times as expensive well f that! :-\
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Shit car unless you get one from the 80s
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Foreign cars > American cars
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I like Scotty Kilmer videos, does a great job explaining things in a yelling tone of voice.
Pretty retarded not to have a dipstick :-\
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Shit car unless you get one from the 80s
Go drive a 2001-2006 m3 or 2008-2013 m3 which road and track and car and driver called the best overall sports car ever cause of its balance and every day usability, if I recall it's won so many car comparison tests I can't even remember
The 80's models were good but they are far from shit now too
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Shit car unless you get one from the 80s
They pollute a lot and are unsafe.
Modern cars are vastly superior to old ones, except perhaps the analog driving experience
(Not a fan of "premium" brands / cars, but bmw is a well run company. Good 2nd hand Jap cars are more reliable though)
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They pollute a lot and are unsafe.
Modern cars are vastly superior to old ones, except perhaps the analog driving experience
(Not a fan of "premium" brands / cars, but bmw is a well run company. Good 2nd hand Jap cars are more reliable though)
I worked for em and can attest they are not a well run company. If anything, it's a company that is ran ass backwards. :D I use to watch em get built and it takes a hour to build one.
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european cars>> japanesse cars >> penguin cars >> amerucina boxes
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Like TA says BMW's are pieces of shit, designed to break down and cost a shit ton of money. On a side note, BMW dealers are even bigger pieces of shit than the cars they sell, and that's saying a lot.
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I had a 1999 (E36) M3 that I raced. Nice sized car. I recently looked at the M3/M4 and was disgusted by how big and "numb" it felt on the road. Thought the M2 might be better, but nobody had one to test drive. You had to buy it to try it ::) No thanks.
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I bought a 2006 328i in 2013 for 15k with 30k miles on it, after 5k miles I needed a new water pump and head gasket. Repairs cost 5k and oil changes were about 200-250 I believe after the 4 year warranty runs out. Not worth the money IMO. Ended up fixing it and selling it back for 15k.
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Had a BMW for 4 years. Big mistake. Broke down all the time and I felt sick in the stomach every time something broke, I knew I'd feel raped paying the bill. Never again.
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01 M3 sounded beautiful. 6 months later the seats were cracking a lil and interior pieces were squeaking/creeking/rattling. Mechanically great though. BMW are more "drivers cars" than MBZ though, even AMG.
The Alpina 7-Series are beautiful, but there's more prestige with the MB 550 or AMG S63. Hell, i believe id take an AMG E45 over a B7. BMW vs Audi would be antougher choice to make. Audi interiors are even nicer than MBs. Audi maintence is worse though IME. $150 oilnchanges and whatnot
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Looks like Getbig has spoken. BMWs are pieces of shit. (unless you go into the 80s models)
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Looks like Getbig has spoken. BMWs are pieces of shit. (unless you go into the 80s models)
I use to watch production associates put them together and say to myself, "that's what some jackass is gonna pay 100k + for." ::)
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I use to watch production associates put them together and say to myself, "that's what some jackass is gonna pay 100k + for." ::)
Greg Oden could easily afford that.
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ITT : people who've never been close to owning a BMW
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Funny to see so many people view bmw's as some high-end luxury item only available to "rich" people. Anybody making 30k a year can afford a 3 or even 5 series (& still pay their mortgage). Same goes for any other luxury car. That type of mentality is WHY those people will never drive a luxury car. Same mentality is why people win the lotto and end up broke 3yrs later.
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horrible costs. Some people call BMW "break my wallet" ;)
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I use to watch production associates put them together and say to myself, "that's what some jackass is gonna pay 100k + for." ::)
Where was the plant u worked at? I take it not in Germany and the only US plant is South Carolina?
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Go drive a 2001-2006 m3 or 2008-2013 m3 which road and track and car and driver called the best overall sports car ever cause of its balance and every day usability, if I recall it's won so many car comparison tests I can't even remember
The 80's models were good but they are far from shit now too
I think the brand new M4 is even better. I like turbo cars though.
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I use to watch production associates put them together and say to myself, "that's what some jackass is gonna pay 100k + for." ::)
You're not referring to the plant in Munich or Regensburg where the M4 and M3 are produced. Maybe a US plant, and not sure why everyone is bitching about the price for repairs when there's a 4 year warranty on a new M car, something goes wrong, it's covered. All maintenance costs are covered as well.
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Shit car unless you get one from the 80s
You're so ignorant it's beyond words.
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I forgot which model had the oil tank opening in a spot that only BMW techs had to the tools to get to. So even if you wanted to go to Jiffy lube for a $20 oil change you couldn't. had to take it to the dealer and pay them $100 to change the oil. Sounds like a shit scam to me.
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Been looking around and find a lot of used bmws for really great prices. I hear a big reason is because the repair and maintenance costs are so high. My question is how much higher are they than average vehicle repair costs. If it was just 1.5 - 2 times as much that wouldn't be too bad considering the saving on the vehicle and you get to drive a higher end car. But if it is 3-5 times as expensive well f that! :-\
Yup, $$$ to work on. E36s are nice to race though.
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If you have a Japanese car you change the oil, tires, brakes, and filters. It will run forever with no problems. A BMW will have gremlins to fix that will make you want to take a sledge hammer to the car.
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If you have a Japanese car you change the oil, tires, brakes, and filters. It will run forever with no problems. A BMW will have gremlins to fix that will make you want to take a sledge hammer to the car.
Yup Acura, Lexus and Infiniti all day every day, if you want something used or to last past the warranty
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Funny to see so many people view bmw's as some high-end luxury item only available to "rich" people. Anybody making 30k a year can afford a 3 or even 5 series (& still pay their mortgage). Same goes for any other luxury car. That type of mentality is WHY those people will never drive a luxury car. Same mentality is why people win the lotto and end up broke 3yrs later.
bingo, they're hardly the exclusive club people think they are, we were shopping for used cars and was shocked to find we could get 2 used 3 series for 1 jeep wrangler
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Yup Acura, Lexus and Infiniti all day every day, if you want something used or to last past the warranty
I had a company car for ever for work so I really didn't care about my personal car. Drove a Toyota for 17 years and the only thing that broke was a water pump. Every time I turned the key the motor hummed. Sold it to a college kid and he put an another 5 years on the car with high mileage before it blew a head gasket.
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Where was the plant u worked at? I take it not in Germany and the only US plant is South Carolina?
Was a ops leader in Spartanburg, SC and watch em get made. 8) they worked the hell out of those people. :-\
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I had a company car for ever for work so I really didn't care about my personal car. Drove a Toyota for 17 years and the only thing that broke was a water pump. Every time I turned the key the motor hummed. Sold it to a college kid and he put an another 5 years on the car with high mileage before it blew a head gasket.
Yotas are great, neck and neck with hondas. However hondas interiors have suffered recently, great tech in hondas though.
I got a company car too, I put a shitload of miles in it.
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Looks like Getbig has spoken. BMWs are pieces of shit. (unless you go into the 80s models)
From what I hear, there is some truth to this. My dad has a 1997 7 series with 180,000 and it runs absolutely perfect. He's put 30,000 miles on it with no problems. Apparently 1998 though was when they started to move production somewhere else or something like that (I don't actually know, this is just what he heard from our Hungarian mechanic who used to work in East Germany) and quality went to shit. Another person I know has 3 series from like 2002 or something, it's junk. So yeah I have no trouble believing that the older BMW's are great cars, similar to Porsche and VW back in the day.
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From what I hear, there is some truth to this. My dad has a 1997 7 series with 180,000 and it runs absolutely perfect. He's put 30,000 miles on it with no problems. Apparently 1998 though was when they started to move production somewhere else or something like that (I don't actually know, this is just what he heard from our Hungarian mechanic who used to work in East Germany) and quality went to shit. Another person I know has 3 series from like 2002 or something, it's junk. So yeah I have no trouble believing that the older BMW's are great cars, similar to Porsche and VW back in the day.
German cars are $$$ to repair even VWs
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VW's used to be very good quality and cheap to repair. After around 2004-2005 they became over complicated pieces of shit with cheaper plastic parts, designed to break etc.
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lots of guys drive used 3 and 5 series where i come from ( central Europe) , they aren't expensive at all since 90% of them are imported from Germany with altered milage numbers lol ...cars with claimed 100k miles on them by the dealer probably have at least 150k miles :D
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VW's used to be very good quality and cheap to repair. After around 2004-2005 they became over complicated pieces of shit with cheaper plastic parts, designed to break etc.
Sounds about right. My friend used to have a 2008 GTI, just when his warranty has up. Some little plastic part in the turbo, that is known to fail, broke on him causing overboost problems. Shop wanted 800 bucks to fix it.
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lots of guys drive used 3 and 5 series where i come from ( central Europe) , they aren't expensive at all since 90% of them are imported from Germany with altered milage numbers lol ...cars with claimed 100k miles on them by the dealer probably have at least 150k miles :D
We are taking America here. OF course bmws are cheap to fix over there. Don't you guys used them for taxis?
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We are taking America here. OF course bmws are cheap to fix over there. Don't you guys used them for taxis?
some do but most taxi cars are private owned and driven by the owners who have a contract with taxi companies so the cars aren't exactly luxurius
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Their diesels engines are the best today. A 3 liter six cilinder can make in stock form 380hp and 74Nm of torque, with very low fuel consumption. Powerband goes up to 5k.
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BMWs are "Black Man's Wheels". Most poor blacks own one because they are so cheap to buy because the resale value on them is total shit. I see them driving around in 7 series just a few years old, ragged the fuck out, rattling and making all sorts of noise. I always laugh that some dumbass was the original owner and got royally screwed first before he passed it on to Jerome. hahahha
Anyone who thinks these cars are "out of range" or something to behold is fooling themselves. They are sooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo Cheap, even after a year old.
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i had a 2002 bmw m3 convertible with CSL wheels, 6 speed. thing cost me a boatload to keep up. every 15000 miles i had to an "inspection" which was $1200.
it ran through oil so fast too, i drove the piss out of it tho
also had a 2001 bmw 740i sport (by far the best looking and handling large sedan for a while)mother of god, that thing was expensive to maintain. timing chain was an epic bill. the trans went on it, i bought a used trans and that failed. so sold it to a mechanic
right now i have my dream car (within reason) 2015 Roush mustang convertible, v8 - super fast, i bought it over a bmw m3/m4.
modern BMWs are more luxury/technology than drivers cars these days. not my cup of tea, that is why I dont see myself ever getting a Bimmer again,
glad i owned pre-Bangle designed bmws
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ill never forget the day the tire came off my car on the highway..
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PS2 Michelin sports
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ill never forget the day the tire came off my car on the highway..
(http://i67.tinypic.com/oscpip.jpg)
PS2 Michelin sports
What the hell happened? ???
Did you have to replace the wheel etc...?
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What the hell happened? ???
Did you have to replace the wheel etc...?
somehow the tire split in the middle, and fucking popped off the rim as i was on the highway, the force/momentum from the tire was going faster than me, i was doing 65 (speed limit) the tire was bouncing on the highway right next to the car. time stood still for sure.
i was in an accident in 2015 (head on car crash) same shit happened, time stood still when i got jacked
the car dropped to the ground on the rim, sparks everywhere, lost control, eventually pulled over on the shoulder, the rim was fucked, the front spoiler was fucked (didnt replace that) but the wheel was totally ruined.
it was totally random act of shit luck. I was like 23 at the time working at this finance company and i was a newbie, i was so scared to not show up to work, i just had a trucker get the car to the dealer, then i got a cab to work and dealt the car later on. i remember walking to the next highway on ramp all messed up,
that m3 was my favorite all around car ive ever owned. so much fun. my favorite ever car experience took place in my e46 m3 at a stop light next to a mini van. ;D
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by far the best looking car ive owned was a jaguar XKR red convert. the super charger on that car made it a sleeper. i would smoke most cars.
i bought this over an SL55amg and the m6, it just looked better and i wanted to be classy. being from a shity part of the SW of chicago and washing dishes in rural Indiana, i never dreamed i own a jaguar before my 30th bday. it was more of a trophy for me than anything else.
ian callum designed it, everyone thought it was an aston martin (he did AM)
got totaled 2 years ago. that day changed my life forever
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my baby :-[
i bought it pre-owned with 7000 miles on it, never had an issue. the convertible top got fucked up after i changed the battery but it was a re-program. the official dealer tried to fuck me, $3000 "need a new pump" fucking dumb fucks... it just needed to be lowered and raised manually. an indi shop did it for $200 and was all set
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sorry ... going through car memeory lane here
here is my m3 (I had the dbag plates ever) AMGTHIS ;D
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it is next to my saleen extreme mustang. that car was stupid fast. 4:10 rear end. 650 hp. the saleen extreme sounded an apache helicopter. they only made around 100 of the extremes. its a 10 second car with proper set up. its a rare mustang, a 2006 -2008 saleen extreme can stomp a hellcat
here is the same car, but 2007 in a tuner shop.
just listen to it ... it wasnt street legal when they first made them... too loud. it was a clean loud. again i am a car nut, the supercharger scream and exhaust note were fucking stupid -
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dream bmw is a 1988-1991 e31 m3
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dream bmw is a 1988-1991 e31 m3
My man. 8)
You can always tell who knows about cars and who doesn't. You certainly know.
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What caused BMW to go from quality in the late 80s to shit in modern times?
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dream bmw is a 1988-1991 e31 m3
You mean the E30 M3? E31 is the 8 series of the 90s I think. I prefer the E34 M5.
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What caused BMW to go from quality in the late 80s to shit in modern times?
They didn't go to complete shit, don't believe everything u read on getbig
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sorry ... going through car memeory lane here
here is my m3 (I had the dbag plates ever) AMGTHIS ;D
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ytnoza.jpg)
it is next to my saleen extreme mustang. that car was stupid fast. 4:10 rear end. 650 hp. the saleen extreme sounded an apache helicopter. they only made around 100 of the extremes. its a 10 second car with proper set up. its a rare mustang, a 2006 -2008 saleen extreme can stomp a hellcat
here is the same car, but 2007 in a tuner shop.
just listen to it ... it wasnt street legal when they first made them... too loud. it was a clean loud. again i am a car nut, the supercharger scream and exhaust note were fucking stupid -
U got balls putting that on your license plate
From a straight and rolling start most AMG would blow away the m3, not even close
I've owned every generation of the m3 and still have a e90 v8 and the current one is def very fast
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My man. 8)
You can always tell who knows about cars and who doesn't. You certainly know.
U certainly don't know much about cars
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i had a 2006 330i, there was nothing wrong with it at all. got a 2008 merc gl420 and it has had loads of electrical faults.
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dream bmw is a 1988-1991 e31 m3
E30 is what you mean. The E31 is the 8 series.
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What caused BMW to go from quality in the late 80s to shit in modern times?
Quality in the eighties was much lower: build, materials, safety, emissions, fuel consuption, all much worse than in today's cars
(I've driven about 12 different types of BMW, from around 1986 till 2008)
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What caused BMW to go from quality in the late 80s to shit in modern times?
Like music, it was computers. Computers fuck everything pure up. ;D
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Had a BMW for 4 years. Big mistake. Broke down all the time and I felt sick in the stomach every time something broke, I knew I'd feel raped paying the bill. Never again.
and despite the reputation, buyers are still heading to these BMW dealershipS.....it's a status/prestige type of thing, all that matters to these buyers is that they own a BMW
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Like music, it was computers. Computers fuck everything pure up. ;D
One could go further. Computers allowed BMW and other German brands to overcomplicate technology and call this "German Engineering", and not focus on engineering hardware and software for reliability.
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and despite the reputation, buyers are still heading to these BMW dealershipS.....it's a status/prestige type of thing, all that matters to these buyers is that they own a BMW
They never have the balls to admit that it's mainly a prestige / status thing....egotrip purchases mostly
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You mean the E30 M3? E31 is the 8 series of the 90s I think. I prefer the E34 M5.
you know what i mean,
that little 4 banger - id get it in red, paint the mirrors yellow - trust me
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U got balls putting that on your license plate
From a straight and rolling start most AMG would blow away the m3, not even close
I've owned every generation of the m3 and still have a e90 v8 and the current one is def very fast
i was 23 or 24 ;D and extra douchey 8)
my saleen extreme would stomp any AMG car at the time. 0-60 times were in the high 3s (with a good driver - i am semi average - being honest)
my M3 was the handling fun car, while my saleen was the stoplight bully
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You mean the E30 M3? E31 is the 8 series of the 90s I think. I prefer the E34 M5.
the 850CSI were pretty sleek, most of the time it was an 840CI with an automatic trans
I just feel bmw is more tech car first, lux car second, drivers car 3rd
gt350s Roush mustangs are so much more fun to drive than any BMW today plus no headaches either. m4 seems dull after being in a mean american V8, the new SS Camero is way more fun than the m3/m4 ... coming from a german guy who loved BMW too.
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What caused BMW to go from quality in the late 80s to shit in modern times?
bmw are just boring these days
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i was 23 or 24 ;D and extra douchey 8)
my saleen extreme would stomp any AMG car at the time. 0-60 times were in the high 3s (with a good driver - i am semi average - being honest)
my M3 was the handling fun car, while my saleen was the stoplight bully
That saleen in the vid had crappy brakes for the amount of horsepower it was putting down. Look like the brakes off of a standard Mustang GT. With 650 hp, 0-60 should be low 3s.
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That saleen in the vid had crappy brakes for the amount of horsepower it was putting down. Look like the brakes off of a standard Mustang GT. With 650 hp, 0-60 should be low 3s.
Current GTs come with non-branded 4 pistons brembos now, so ford learn to outsource if you can't do something right. :D
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That saleen in the vid had crappy brakes for the amount of horsepower it was putting down. Look like the brakes off of a standard Mustang GT. With 650 hp, 0-60 should be low 3s.
Low 3's maybe... but easier said than done, first it's a manual not dct or 8 spds used today which are faster, the car is heavy, depends on the tires, and a good launch
Compare the 0-60 times of a z06 with 650 hp to a Porsche gt3rs with 500, the Porsche is quicker than the vette and through the quarter mile by a nudge if I'm not mistaken
Lots of factors go into a car besides hp
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Low 3's maybe... but easier said than done, first it's a manual not dct or 8 spds used today which are faster, the car is heavy, depends on the tires, and a good launch
Compare the 0-60 times of a z06 with 650 hp to a Porsche gt3rs with 500, the Porsche is quicker than the vette and through the quarter mile by a nudge if I'm not mistaken
Lots of factors go into a car besides hp
Give the tires a good coating of honey before launching. That should get you into the low 3's no problem. 8)
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That saleen in the vid had crappy brakes for the amount of horsepower it was putting down. Look like the brakes off of a standard Mustang GT. With 650 hp, 0-60 should be low 3s.
yea. prolly didnt get the upgraded brake option. i remember my front brakes were 14 inches big dawgs.
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Low 3's maybe... but easier said than done, first it's a manual not dct or 8 spds used today which are faster, the car is heavy, depends on the tires, and a good launch
Compare the 0-60 times of a z06 with 650 hp to a Porsche gt3rs with 500, the Porsche is quicker than the vette and through the quarter mile by a nudge if I'm not mistaken
Lots of factors go into a car besides hp
yep, hitting top speed records the magazines do is fucking hard. as i stated i am not a great driver.
a GT500 or saleen extreme (practically the same car) GT500 blasts from 0-60 mph in a scant 3.5 seconds, on toward a quarter-mile time of 11.6 seconds.
for the price of juicy new mustang, nothing comes close. the GT350 flat crank v8 is nuts. redlines at 8250 rpms
back to the topic at hand
1. buy the lowest mile BMW you can even if it is more expensive cuz shop repairs get old fast
2. get a private party inspection
3. do not go to the dealership for work unless covered by warrenty find a good indi shop
4. find a good bmw forum. they are a great spot of knowledge, car forums and bbing forums are full of haters and trolls, but motorcycle forums arent, which is funny
5. if you buy, try to buy one that is 3 years old (aka a lease return) the depreciation has sunk in, put down 20% and finance the rest. interest rates are cheap 3-5% on used cars
consider a new VW over a used BMW - FACT
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Never overlook an aftermarket warranty. Learned a lot about them while looking at benz's a cpl yrs ago. (Not sure about bmw, but for an s550 Benz with say 50k miles, you can pick up a warranty for $1200. If your air-ride goes out from getting something jammed in the door or trunk while its closing and airpump will cost you an easy 1600-2100. Not to mention shit like control arms or suspension parts. Warranty pays for itself, but there's mileage cutoffs. I believe 70k for Benz for instance)
my 740i had so many damn suspension issues and brushing issues.
"its a heavy car" they kept telling me. my 7 series i picked up a high mile that was several years old. i wanted a big 4 door sedan. it was a lincoln LS or this 7 series.
i will never buy a high mile euro sedan ever again.. it became a project car :-\ not by choice
not my 7 series, photo ganked from google images*
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if you are a BMW fan in the early 2000s you will remember these BMW films. this film made me want a 7 so bad. i had the exact color and model. 2001 sport short wheel base the sport trans.
my first gf was this tiny Puerto rican chic and she would drive my 7 series when she would go to costco and shit. she looked so funny in it ;D
the did a BMW film with an m5 and madonna too. her bf/husband did the film.
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Like music, it was computers. Computers fuck everything pure up. ;D
EFI and the engine control unit have been the greatest automotive developments in the last 30 years.
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EFI and the engine control unit have been the greatest automotive developments in the last 30 years.
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There should be no question about this.
EFI >>>>> carburetor
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There should be no question about this.
EFI >>>>> carburetor
Sometimes efficiency ruins everything.
An inkjet printer can do a better job of painting masterpieces than a human can, but one is way more sought after. :D
Same thing with cars. They used to be works of rolling art. Now they are shit looking jellybeans with inflatable rafts inside them. All look like shit. Every single car you post is usually pure shit. How you cannot see that is beyond me.
Sign of the times I guess. People just want Iphones and solar panels on their one room apartments. Sad!
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EFI and the engine control unit have been the greatest automotive developments in the last 30 years.
Maintenance and performance? Nope carb is easier to maintain and tune if you know what you're doing. Computers and the massive amount of sensors and wiring , add maintenance issues. Drive by wire systems add lag to throttle response, ecu goes crazy and enter limp mode on most cars if the air to fuel ratio changes a little bit, electric stability control and traction control effects a real drivers ability to drive the car, etc.
Are computers great on mass produce appliance cars? Of course, mpg is better, better for people that can't tune or drive. But for a car's performance or lifespan nope. Plus modern v8s can gain over 75hp when racers take all the sensors and smog shit off, and run a carb.
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my 740i had so many damn suspension issues and brushing issues.
"its a heavy car" they kept telling me. my 7 series i picked up a high mile that was several years old. i wanted a big 4 door sedan. it was a lincoln LS or this 7 series.
i will never buy a high mile euro sedan ever again.. it became a project car :-\ not by choice
not my 7 series, photo ganked from google images*
(http://i64.tinypic.com/15owf85.jpg)
if you are a BMW fan in the early 2000s you will remember these BMW films. this film made me want a 7 so bad. i had the exact color and model. 2001 sport short wheel base the sport trans.
my first gf was this tiny Puerto rican chic and she would drive my 7 series when she would go to costco and shit. she looked so funny in it ;D
the did a BMW film with an m5 and madonna too. her bf/husband did the film.
"It's a heavy car"......the manufacturer knows this and should have installed heavy duty components......
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Sometimes efficiency ruins everything.
An inkjet printer can do a better job of painting masterpieces than a human can, but one is way more sought after. :D
Same thing with cars. They used to be works of rolling art. Now they are shit looking jellybeans with inflatable rafts inside them. All look like shit. Every single car you post is usually pure shit. How you cannot see that is beyond me.
Sign of the times I guess. People just want Iphones and solar panels on their one room apartments. Sad!
At the end of the day it's the customer that decides what they want to buy. The customer doesn't want a full sized, rear wheeled drive coupes that look great. They want a Honda CR-V that's easy to maneuver in a parking lot. The rolling piece of art you want doesn't exist because nobody would buy it.
One hundred percent of the cars made today are fuel injected and zero have carburetors. Yes, fuel injection is more complicated the a carburetor, but the benefits are many and most people wouldn't want the hassle of a carburetor.
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At the end of the day it's the customer that decides what they want to buy. The customer doesn't want a full sized, rear wheeled drive coupes that look great. They want a Honda CR-V that's easy to maneuver in a parking lot. The rolling piece of art you want doesn't exist because nobody would buy it.
One hundred percent of the cars made today are fuel injected and zero have carburetors. Yes, fuel injection is more complicated the a carburetor, but the benefits are many and most people wouldn't want the hassle of a carburetor.
Its not up to the customer at all. At this point, its up to the government to tell what the car manufactures can and can't make and do and out comes the garbage that you lust after. hahhaa
Its sad but hilarious.
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At the end of the day it's the customer that decides what they want to buy. The customer doesn't want a full sized, rear wheeled drive coupes that look great. They want a Honda CR-V that's easy to maneuver in a parking lot. The rolling piece of art you want doesn't exist because nobody would buy it.
One hundred percent of the cars made today are fuel injected and zero have carburetors. Yes, fuel injection is more complicated the a carburetor, but the benefits are many and most people wouldn't want the hassle of a carburetor.
American cars in general haven't been "rolling piece of art" for decades now aside from a few models and they are all sports cars
They certainly are rolling pieces of shits as companies and products
How can TA say they were good in the 80's is beyond delusional
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American cars in general haven't been "rolling piece of art" for decades now aside from a few models and they are all sports cars
They certainly are rolling pieces of shits as companies and products
How can TA say they were good in the 80's is beyond delusional
All cars should look like the 30s-70s as far as I am concerned.
To say that anything today even comes close to something like a Delahaye is completely ridiculous. Have fun driving in your electronic shitbox.
This is a real car.
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All cars should look like the 30s-70s as far as I am concerned.
To say that anything today even comes close to something like a Delahaye is completely ridiculous. Have fun driving in your electronic shitbox.
The customer doesn't want this. It's a full sized car with only two doors and two seats. If a vehicle doesn't have four doors it doesn't sell.
There is nothing stopping Cadillac from making the same Fleetwood they made in 1994 except the customer. The market for that car does not exist. You blame government regulation, but what you should really blame is consumer preferences.
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The customer doesn't want this. It's a full sized car with only two doors and two seats. If a vehicle doesn't have four doors it doesn't sell.
There is nothing stopping Cadillac from making the same Fleetwood they made in 1994 except the customer. The market for that car does not exist. You blame government regulation, but what you should really blame is consumer preferences.
You mean consumer stupidity and a culture shift towards a throwaway non-ownership of anything society.
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The customer doesn't want this. It's a full sized car with only two doors and two seats. If a vehicle doesn't have four doors it doesn't sell.
There is nothing stopping Cadillac from making the same Fleetwood they made in 1994 except the customer. The market for that car does not exist. You blame government regulation, but what you should really blame is consumer preferences.
in the US, besides trucks (#1 seller) a big seller is the mini SUV/CROSS OVER type vehicle. the market doesnt demand big 4 door sedans. the only ones out there are for the well to super rich that are worth a damn...
from the cheapest decent 4 door sedans
maxima/honda accord
CTS cadi 5 series/e class
A8, 7 series, s class etc etc
porsche, Aston martin, maserati
then the peak for high end large sedans that do ok...
bentley, rolls etc maybach
average person really doesnt even want a 4 door large car anymore. i love em cuz i am old school, id love to a big ole jaguar boat
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Turn my $1 lotto ticket into $3mil and im not buyin an S63 Sedan or Rolls Ghost... I'm buyin a Range Rover w/a supercharged V8 (full size, not sport,& prolly an Autobiography Ed, since you cant get red interior in the others...i think)
... Oh, & a Huracan Roadster, cuz there's no cruise-control in the Aventador. ;)
U prob go broke in no time too :D
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Turn my $1 lotto ticket into $3mil and im not buyin an S63 Sedan or Rolls Ghost... I'm buyin a Range Rover w/a supercharged V8 (full size, not sport,& prolly an Autobiography Ed, since you cant get red interior in the others...i think)
... Oh, & a Huracan Roadster, cuz there's no cruise-control in the Aventador. ;)
haha love it dude!
reasonable lotto (5-10mil) vs unlimited money
Roush mustang or gt350 (own roush now)
ferrari f430 or maybe the new f88 - obvi red
classic 1991 ford mustang cobra r
Masrerati SUV
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Im good with money. Was a prop-trader for years, besides a $20k investment turns into about $340k (without even taking into account reinvestment) in my line of work.... And far as the cars, they'd be pre-owned, even with only 12k and 3k on the clock respectively. (& a home in Rancho Penasquitos, next to del Mar, where the same home would be an extra $300k.)
id still live in scottsdale and just with more access to money do tons of legit weekend trips to LA, SD, OC so its fun.i wouldnt want to live in cali but i fuckin love to visit it. im driving out there tomorrow - ;D ill get a getbig pic
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haha love it dude!
reasonable lotto (5-10mil) vs unlimited money
Roush mustang or gt350 (own roush now)
ferrari f430 or maybe the new f88 - obvi red
classic 1991 ford mustang cobra r
Masrerati SUV
Gosh I hate those fox body mustangs with a passion ;D quick for the money, but ugly, can't steer or handle, and "quality" doesn't exist in the materials used
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Looks like Getbig has spoken. BMWs are pieces of shit. (unless you go into the 80s models)
haha who on here thinks they're hot shit because they drive a BMW??? Haha u think you're so cool-who fucking cares if u saved and saved to buy the car u always wanted
We don't give a shit about your m3 or 5 series fuck off!!
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1994 toyota corolla with empty beer cans on the backseat is the sweet spot imo.
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Im good with money. Was a prop-trader for years, besides a $20k investment turns into about $340k (without even taking into account reinvestment) in my line of work.... And far as the cars, they'd be pre-owned, even with only 12k and 3k on the clock respectively. (& a home in Rancho Penasquitos, next to del Mar, where the same home would be an extra $300k.)
Fuck dude you have a story for everything. When do you stop?
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Fuck dude you have a story for everything. When do you stop?
He doesn't stop. He doesn't have a stop gene! :-\
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2017 BMW M4 GTS.......it's a really bad ass bimmer....they're killing the competition; when you add all the options, your bill come up to a total of $120,000.... but to each his own
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2017 BMW M4 GTS.......it's a really bad ass bimmer....they're killing the competition; when you add all the options, your bill come up to a total of $120,000.... but to each his own
Yeah but u won't get it for the price and it's sold out
People that are selling them are going for 200k+
No thanks, just buy a Porsche gt3
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Yeah but u won't get it for the price and it's sold out
People that are selling them are going for 200k+
No thanks, just buy a Porsche gt3
You can get them as low as $135K on eBay and that's looking for 2 minutes. I'm with you I would take a GT3 over this all day long
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2017 BMW M4 GTS.......it's a really bad ass bimmer....they're killing the competition; when you add all the options, your bill come up to a total of $120,000.... but to each his own
Looks like shit. Absolute shit.
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Fuck dude you have a story for everything. When do you stop?
You can make a post about taking a dump and ESFitness will have a story about how he took a better dump than you.
Guy is living in a fantasy world.
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He doesn't stop. He doesn't have a stop gene! :-\
ESFitness does not even possess genes.
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You can get them as low as $135K on eBay and that's looking for 2 minutes. I'm with you I would take a GT3 over this all day long
Wow! They must have lowered last time I checked, good price for now, it will go back up later on
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Great Styling!
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Why do people care about cars so much? Any car will get you from Point A to Point B.
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Why do people care about cars so much? Any car will get you from Point A to Point B.
Why do people care about lifting weights to look better? Any physique will carry you until death. ???
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Why do people care about lifting weights to look better? Any physique will carry you until death. ???
Lifting weights promotes health and increases the chances that one will not develop certain diseases, which will lead to a better quality of life.
Cars???? ??? ???
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Lifting weights promotes health and increases the chances that one will not develop certain diseases, which will lead to a better quality of life.
Cars???? ??? ???
Who cares? You are just going to die anyways. Why bother with what diseases you are going to get?
While you are at it, who cares about the house you live in. Why not go live in a one room shitbox?
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Who cares? You are just going to die anyways. Why bother with what diseases you are going to get?
While you are at it, who cares about the house you live in. Why not go live in a one room shitbox?
Try to troll someone else, TA. :D :D :D
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Why do people care about cars so much? Any car will get you from Point A to Point B.
Why do people care about lifting weights to look better? Any physique will carry you until death. ???
blowjobs.
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Why do people care about cars so much? Any car will get you from Point A to Point B.
Why do people care about anything in general?
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Why do people care about anything in general?
I don't know. You can replace "cars" with many things in life. Sad.
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I don't know. You can replace "cars" with many things in life. Sad.
Why do you care about blacks who don't care about you? :D
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blowjobs.
And they go stupid fast. People like things that go stupid fast.
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What about smart fast?
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Yeah but u won't get it for the price and it's sold out
People that are selling them are going for 200k+
No thanks, just buy a Porsche gt3
yeah, these motherfuckers only made 49 of them......and I heard people are willing to fetch 200k+ for this.....dealer markups will surely get out of hand...too many Great options outhere for that kind of money.......GT3-RS is a great choice...some call it the meanest, baddest porscha yet
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2017 BMW M4 GTS.......it's a really bad ass bimmer....they're killing the competition; when you add all the options, your bill come up to a total of $120,000.... but to each his own
Above a certain price level it gets difficult for BMW: they make so many units, the brand isn't exclusive anymore.
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yeah, these motherfuckers only made 49 of them......and I heard people are willing to fetch 200k+ for this.....dealer markups will surely get out of hand...too many Great options outhere for that kind of money.......GT3-RS is a great choice...some call it the meanest, baddest porscha yet
300 in the US (M4 GTS), 700 world wide.
Thing is, You get better performance from a Corvette Grand Sport and the GT3 RS. BMW is charging almost GT3 RS money for a stripped out M4 with water injection.
I ain't gonna lie, I like the way it sounds, but a M4 CS would be great. An M3 CS would be better still.
The thing is, the M4 is based on a sedan platform, not a sportscar platform, like the 911 and Corvette are. So, BMW M has to work with what they got. BMW AG apparently will not give the go ahead for a bespoked M sports car. This would justify a 6 figure price tag.
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Gosh I hate those fox body mustangs with a passion ;D quick for the money, but ugly, can't steer or handle, and "quality" doesn't exist in the materials used
even though ive owned a jaguar xkr have a few hermes neckties, i still have hillbilly blood - ;D hence i own a roush over an m3 and want a mint fox body!
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CA has a shitty gov't that taxes the fuck outta everybody and strangles businesses to death, but it's still California lol. Don't think i could ever live anywhere else in the u.s. Florida has better taxes, but the humidity would melt me, even compared to the 6months of 115-120° we have in palm desert/palm springs.NV has better taxes & real estate, but no beach. I'd have to move to Vietnam or Thailand, or Greece.
just got back from los angeles (basically marina del rey is a second place i visit often/stay)
1. la traffic is mind numbing brutal
2. just so expensive....still blows my mind whenever i am there
3. no parking
4. income tax is brutal
5. people arent friendly - i am mr chipper/happy go lucky
I love LA, just to visit/short stays. setting up shop in la aint my thang
my take on living in LA
1. live there if you are an actor/in that industry and you have too. full time model, film producer
2. are mexican and east LA is home and you have a dodgers tattoo
3. are ballin pretty fucking hard and then you can isolate yourself - live in a posh area, enjoy it. tier 1 cities (LA, NYC, London, Signapore, Hong Kong etc etc) are not good to be even upper middle class. you gotta ball to enjoy those places. if you are middle class and not into the whole LA scene. san diego is much much better choice for the cali folk
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Yeah but u won't get it for the price and it's sold out
People that are selling them are going for 200k+
No thanks, just buy a Porsche gt3
the BMW M3 CSL was the bad ass car when i was an M3 head back in the early 2000s
yep - gt3 or me... 360 challenge - 2900 lbs ! :o
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the BMW M3 CSL was the bad ass car when i was an M3 head back in the early 2000s
yep - gt3 or me... 360 challenge - 2900 lbs ! :o
M3 CSL is a still a legend imo, seen a few around Germany when I was over there
Love Ferrari's but Porsche for me if i had to pick, Ferrari's seem to be more concerned with the "poser"crowd and they don't offer manual transmissions no more, Porsche's are still hardcore and their gt series are no nonsense track cars and can ordered with manuals and with or without AC or radio
Everyone that's a Petrohead needs to drive a gt3 at least once in their life, I've driven the 997 rs and 991 gt3, best driving car I've ever driven
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just got back from los angeles (basically marina del rey is a second place i visit often/stay)
1. la traffic is mind numbing brutal
2. just so expensive....still blows my mind whenever i am there
3. no parking
4. income tax is brutal
5. people arent friendly - i am mr chipper/happy go lucky
I love LA, just to visit/short stays. setting up shop in la aint my thang
my take on living in LA
1. live there if you are an actor/in that industry and you have too. full time model, film producer
2. are mexican and east LA is home and you have a dodgers tattoo
3. are ballin pretty fucking hard and then you can isolate yourself - live in a posh area, enjoy it. tier 1 cities (LA, NYC, London, Signapore, Hong Kong etc etc) are not good to be even upper middle class. you gotta ball to enjoy those places. if you are middle class and not into the whole LA scene. san diego is much much better choice for the cali folk
LA overall is garbage, I've lived in Irvine/orange county most of my life
Too many illegals, fucked up politics, taxes up the ass, roads that are never fixed and yes, traffic half of your life
Overrated imo but if I had to pick Orange County for sure
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If BMW could not become more a of a joke....They decide to electronically alter the exhaust so the sound is fake and then they also have it where the sound that the driver hears is also completely fake.
Whadda mess!
BMW is for teh stupid.
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If BMW could not become more a of a joke....They decide to electronically alter the exhaust so the sound is fake and then they also have it where the sound that the driver hears is also completely fake.
Whadda mess!
BMW is for teh stupid.
Most manufacturers do it :-\
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If BMW could not become more a of a joke....They decide to electronically alter the exhaust so the sound is fake and then they also have it where the sound that the driver hears is also completely fake.
Whadda mess!
BMW is for teh stupid.
It's ok to hate on BMW cause u are a Jew TA, it's understandable actually :D
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as a big bmw fan (ive owned 2, loved the culture, style, hustory, FW190 german fighter plane with a bmw engine) ok enough my street cred*
BMW cars are no longer the drivers car like they used to be, strong but subtle styling boring, now too techie, too expensive for what you get, again buy a VW and save your money.
M car?
pretty much all BMWS, rather have a VW
m3/m4 - rather have gt350/roush/hemi sedan corvette o
m6 - rather have porsche 911, SL benz, high end jaguar, low end Masrati,
m5 - AMG sedans, Audi sport class, CTS-V are just as good, the m5 is tough to beat but there is now legit competition.
just better choices (competition has caught up/passed) and BMW has moved away from the cool sporty brand to too techie....
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