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Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that the U.S. seeks to remove Bashar Assad as Syria's president through "a political process," not through war despite reports to the contrary.
"The process by which Assad would leave is something that I think requires an international community effort, both to first defeat ISIS within Syria, to stabilize the Syrian country, to avoid further civil war, and then to work collectively with our partners around the world through a political process that would lead to Assad leaving," Tillerson said.
"Those steps are underway," he added.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/06/secretary_of_state_us_policy_is_to_have_assad_leave_through_a_political_process.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/06/secretary_of_state_us_policy_is_to_have_assad_leave_through_a_political_process.html)
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AP INTERVIEW: KREMLIN SUPPORT FOR ASSAD NOT UNCONDITIONAL
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-06-11-50-08 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-06-11-50-08)
MOSCOW (AP) -- President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said Thursday that Russia's support for Syrian President Bashar Assad is not unconditional, but that the country demands a full investigation of the suspected chemical attack on a rebel-held province in Syria before the United Nations takes any action.
Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov's remarks came two days after the suspected chemical attack killed at least 72 people. Moscow, Assad's key backer, has supported the Syrian government militarily in the ongoing conflict since 2015.
Peskov told The Associated Press in an interview that "unconditional support is not possible in this current world," but added that "it is not correct to say that Moscow can convince Mr. Assad to do whatever is wanted in Moscow. This is totally wrong."
Moscow and Damascus "enjoy a relationship of cooperation, of exchange of views and full mutual support," Peskov said. Assad and his army are "the only real power in Syria that can resist terrorists on the ground," he said.
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Turkish President Erdoğan promises support if Trump decides to take action against the Assad regime.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/850030530791976963 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/850030530791976963)
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That's about right.
So the media was again running their own agenda... surprise ::)
Russia in 2015:
In an interview with the Vesti v Subbotu (Saturday News) television show Medvedev denied all accusations against Russia suggesting its operation in Syria aims to support Assad.
"No, that is absolutely not true. The Syrian people should decide who will rule the country… At the moment we consider Assad to be legitimate president," Medvedev said.
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201510171028665615-russia-operation-syria-fight-terrorists-medvedev/
USA media and hawk elites are claiming Russia protects Assad but to me who follows both sides, it's clear their aim was and is to put an end to random and outside-sponsored regime changes. Libya was the red line for Russia.
In 2011:
Asked if Moscow will maintain its support for the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the Russian foreign minister said: "We are not protecting any regime."
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=48833
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Turkish President Erdoğan promises support if Trump decides to take action against the Assad regime.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/850030530791976963 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/850030530791976963)
That's rich coming from a muslim dictator who has been a supporter of ISIS and islamic terrorism and threatened the US and NATO.
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That's rich coming from a muslim dictator who has been a supporter of ISIS and islamic terrorism and threatened the US and NATO.
He's desperate in ball licking.
He just encountered huge coup attempt by his own military under a year ago.
He just got in big fight with all the EU leaders.
He's alone and needs support for tightening of his grip over Turkey.
But apparently he gets his info from media, as Tillerson just denied what the media tried to portray. Which of course every person with common sense knew from the beginning. Americans didn't start war with Russia over any of the numerous past arguments and they won't do it over Assad. Boring but reality often is.
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He's desperate in ball licking.
He just encountered staged huge coup attempt by his own military under a year ago.
He just got in big fight with all the EU leaders.
He's alone and needs support for his tightening of his grip over Turkey.
Fixed.
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Jesus Christ :-X
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Jesus Christ :-X
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Say it Yamcha ... thanks Obama ! ;D
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Say it Yamcha ... thanks Obama ! ;D
Someone armed those rebels... now it looks like we are going to protect our investment. Fuck...
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Someone armed those rebels... now it looks like we are going to protect our investment. Fuck...
Haha, I was talking about Obama beating McCain in 2008.
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Haha, I was talking about Obama beating McCain in 2008.
OH, YES!!! I actually think I dislike McCain more than Obama, Hillary, and the whole bunch.
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That's about right.
So the media was again running their own agenda... surprise ::)
Russia in 2015:
In an interview with the Vesti v Subbotu (Saturday News) television show Medvedev denied all accusations against Russia suggesting its operation in Syria aims to support Assad.
"No, that is absolutely not true. The Syrian people should decide who will rule the country… At the moment we consider Assad to be legitimate president," Medvedev said.
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201510171028665615-russia-operation-syria-fight-terrorists-medvedev/
USA media and hawk elites are claiming Russia protects Assad but to me who follows both sides, it's clear their aim was and is to put an end to random and outside-sponsored regime changes. Libya was the red line for Russia.
In 2011:
Asked if Moscow will maintain its support for the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the Russian foreign minister said: "We are not protecting any regime."
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=48833
lol are serious? Russia vetoes any UN security Council resolution condemning Assad's Syria for their war crimes, even in the recent chemical weapons attack Russia is on board in claiming that they were only the result of Assad's forces bombing rebel weapons.
I've been no fan of Trump thus far but that view will change if he does the right thing by attacking Syria.
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lol are serious? Russia vetoes any UN security Council resolution condemning Assad's Syria for their war crimes, even in the recent chemical weapons attack Russia is on board in claiming that they were only the result of Assad's forces bombing rebel weapons.
I've been no fan of Trump thus far but that view will change if he does the right thing by attacking Syria.
Trump is in a tough position, a few air strikes won't solve anything. He would have to go into Syria for the long haul, a full fledged war.
Aside from battling the Syrian military, Isis is also there...not to mention, no one knows how the Russians will react.
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This is how you know the next big economic downturn needs wallpapered over. Doesn't make any sense.
We give Iran 6 months to hide their nuke program from inspectors but in two days we're sure Assad gassed these people. The US population is STUPID.
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And here we go...
60 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched
U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636?cid=eml_nbn_20170406 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636?cid=eml_nbn_20170406)
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Trump is in a tough position, a few air strikes won't solve anything. He would have to go into Syria for the long haul, a full fledged war.
Aside from battling the Syrian military, Isis is also there...not to mention, no one knows how the Russians will react.
He could hurt if not eliminate their air force capability - drastically reducing their ability to continue indiscriminate attacks on civilians, something Obama should have done.
Russia won't do shit.
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This is the same shit they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. This whole 'stabilizing' bullshit. Yeah now look at those countries, theyre fucked.
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This is the same shit they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. This whole 'stabilizing' bullshit. Yeah now look at those countries, theyre fucked.
The truth is just the opposite of what they say. If it's in the ME and it's not Saudi or Israel it's up for some "stabilization".
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Russia should sink one American vessel in area. Shouldn't be difficult.
Unfortunately as said Putin is not strong enough to lead in war.
Of course this is non-event factually. If Americans would have wanted to really do something they would have attacked Damascus where the government is. But this is successful pr operation and Putin is in position of weakness now.
This was act of terrorism against sovereign nation by USA. No way around that.
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Hahahaa, Putin is back!! He actually never left.
Most of Syrian AF fighter jets were evacuated from the said base before the attack by Americans!
Only 5-6 persons killed.
Details to follow..
I'm sure Russia will by accident hit American positions at some point like they eventually hit Turkish troops. Maybe increase support for rebels in Afghanistan too. Russia beat nazi germany after all and Usa is nowhere near the superiority the nazis had in 40s.
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Russia cofirms loss of six Syrian fighter jets.
Only 23 of US missiles hit the target!
That's quite poor rate... less than 50%. Usually cruise missiles have above 70%. Russia shot some of them down? This is BIG
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Main air-strip allegedly in working condition.
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First footage of aftermath!
Runway looks in decent condition indeed. Russia really took countermeasures if this proves right!! Waiting for satellite images.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5Ux17YKdM
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Russian MOD drone footage seems to confirm USA didn't manage to hit the airstrip!!!
I will post later... i'm on mobile now due to situation being a bit hectic ;D
Russia considering to bolster air defenses in Syria.
Edit: released footage show glowing impact points and strikes landing. Many which made it to area are way off the target.
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Staunt Trump ally Nigel Farage seemingly disappointed for the attack against secular forces in Syria.
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Main air-strip allegedly in working condition.
I saw that. Pretty much only one hanger destroyed. Still allows Assad to use the strip to bomb ISIS/AQ/"rebels"
More of a statement to the rest of the world? Pretty much a "Don't forget we have a big dick" moment. :-X
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I saw that. Pretty much only one hanger destroyed. Still allows Assad to use the strip to bomb ISIS/AQ/"rebels"
More of a statement to the rest of the world? Pretty much a "Don't forget we have a big dick" moment. :-X
Yes.
I admire USA media ops though. Unparallelled media control.
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ISIS used US missile strike to launch new offensive near Palmyra
https://www.rt.com/news/383826-isis-used-us-airstrike-syria/ (https://www.rt.com/news/383826-isis-used-us-airstrike-syria/)
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Thanks for protecting the world USA ::)
Truck drives to crowd in Sweden! Just in..
I bet it was Russian.
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Shares of Tomahawk cruise missile maker Raytheon up 2.1 percent in premarket trade after U.S. missile strike in Syria.
http://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/850317898711257089 (http://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/850317898711257089)
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Shares of Tomahawk cruise missile maker Raytheon up 2.1 percent in premarket trade after U.S. missile strike in Syria.
http://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/850317898711257089 (http://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/850317898711257089)
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Yep, that's the video.
Militarily this is honestly poor performance by USA. Nothing like we are used to see in Hollywood-movies.
Looks like Russia managed to repel half of the launched missiles (allegedly 59) and many of the other half ended right next to their targets. Jammers in use?
Plus that base is clearly almost empty.
But as said, kudos to your media.
They made it sound like 3rd world war just started and even I personally fell for it. Again.
PS.
American media is not showing the aftermath. Why?
No offense your military is for sure great but we have never before seen how it performs against advanced forces, or even when an advanced force has presence in the targeted place.
Looks like there's no credit behind McCain's mouthing.
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Yep, that's the video.
Militarily this is honestly poor performance by USA. Nothing like we are used to see in Hollywood-movies.
Looks like Russia managed to repel half of the launched missiles (allegedly 59) and many of the other half ended right next to their targets. Jammers in use?
Plus that base is clearly almost empty.
But as said, kudos to your media.
They made it sound like 3rd world war just started and even I personally fell for it. Again.
PS.
American media is not showing the aftermath. Why?
No offense your military is for sure great but we have never before seen how it performs against advanced forces, or even when an advanced form has presence in the targeted place.
Political move > Military move
His greatest enemy right now is the Media and the "Russian Collusion" narrative. I think he may have defeated that last night.
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Russia has allegedly sent choppers to be based in the airbase which came under attack.
Syrian air force is returning too.
No photos yet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/850365108295487488
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Don't know what to think about all this yet. The rebels are evil/disgusting as well so to take out Assad would just lead to another awful regime but if he did do what is alleged he has blatantly ignored the restrictions and that can't be stood for as well as that was one of Obamas weaknesses (getting walked all over).
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Don't know what to think about all this yet. The rebels are evil/disgusting as well so to take out Assad would just lead to another awful regime but if he did do what is alleged he has blatantly ignored the restrictions and that can't be stood for as well as that was one of Obamas weaknesses (getting walked all over).
I think it sends the right message.
Gas little children and receive a few dozen tomahawks.
Gives Trump a good amount of leverage and it was just the right thing to do.
I'm personally not cool with the full on "bring democracy" occupation angle but yeah I think that message needed to be sent.
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I think it sends the right message.
Gas little children and receive a few dozen tomahawks.
Gives Trump a good amount of leverage and it was just the right thing to do.
I'm personally not cool with the full on "bring democracy" occupation angle but yeah I think that message needed to be sent.
Oh please stop the bullshit. How many children you have killed in the past decade of failed wars in Irak, Afghanistan etc. :D
At least be honest with your motives.
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Political move > Military move
His greatest enemy right now is the Media and the "Russian Collusion" narrative. I think he may have defeated that last night.
Excellent point.
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Americans are saying total destruction of the base happened with all the Tomahawks delivered.
Their satellite images here:
http://www.imagesatintl.com/us-strike-syria/
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I came across another video from Russian sources of the aftermath where one can spot what looks like KUB ad-system intact as well as some air traffic radar (?):
Impact area of Tomahawk looks way off any target having exploded close to the fence surrounding the base - one doesn't keep anything that close to fence of an airbase. Americans might have targeted the air defense systems seen it background but missed:
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Turns out it's "Admiral Grigorovich".
She was in Syria few months ago... delivering cruise missiles... I wonder what her mission is now :D
Great to see Putin not shitting his pants after all. Eye for eye until one looses both of his.
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Pentagon: Russia May Have Directly Participated in Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack
http://abc7.com/news/pentagon-looking-into-russias-role-in-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack/1845518/ (http://abc7.com/news/pentagon-looking-into-russias-role-in-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack/1845518/)
BEIRUT -- The United States is looking into whether Russia participated in the Syrian chemical weapons attack that provoked President Donald Trump's airstrikes against the Assad government, a revelation that could have dramatic implications for relations between Washington and Moscow.
On Friday, senior U.S. military officials said a drone belonging to either Russia or Syria was seen hovering over the site of the chemical weapons attack after the assault earlier this week. Russia is one of Syria's most important patrons and has long resisted U.S. efforts to push President Bashar Assad from power.
The Trump administration sent conflicting messages on what the strikes signaled for the overall U.S. policy in Syria. White House officials said the assault was not a step toward deeper involvement in Syria's civil war, though Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said Washington was prepared to take further military action.
"We are prepared to do more, but we hope that will not be necessary," Haley said at an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council.
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Oh please stop the bullshit. How many children you have killed in the past decade of failed wars in Irak, Afghanistan etc. :D
At least be honest with your motives.
What is the motive?
I seriously don't understand why the fuck the US should be there in the first place.
I didn't support Iraq. Afghanistan was different. Syria is fucking stupid. Libya was stupid. Egypt was stupid.
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Haha, great - justice wins this round 8)
And Putin better up his game.
Study the fucking Stalin archives at sleepless nights. For sure this wouldn't have happened during his rule.
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Yamcha-bro, your pics not visible to me ???
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Yamcha-bro, your pics not visible to me ???
:D Well i for one trust the jews without question!
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OK, visible now.
Are those pics on board US vessel which took part in destroying Syrian chemical stockpiles in 2013?
Looks like from Doom :o
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OK, visible now.
Are those pics on board US vessel which took part in destroying Syrian chemical stockpiles in 2013?
I have no idea! There is no results in reverse image search for the bottom picture. The top is from 2015 showing chemical agents being made/stored.
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I have no idea! There is no results in reverse image search for the bottom picture. The top is from 2015 showing chemical agents being made/stored.
They are apparently from Russian destruction facility of chemical weapons.
Should have spotted the gear.
Here is story about the facility - only in russian
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/68835/
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They are apparently from Russian destruction facility of chemical weapons.
Should have spotted the gear.
Here is story about the facility - only in russian
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/68835/
Yes, but this bottom picture was released by Israel, showing the aftermath of yesterday's "attack".
FAKE NEWS!!! JEWS AT IT AGAIN!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628206.0;attach=719960;image)
Yes, found the original source. FAKE NEWS!!!!!!
The internet is a great thing!
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Yes, but this bottom picture was released by Israel, showing the aftermath of yesterday's "attack".
FAKE NEWS!!! JEWS AT IT AGAIN!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628206.0;attach=719960;image)
Yes, found the original source. FAKE NEWS!!!!!!
The internet is a great thing!
Pic is taken by RIA Novosti photographer Vokresensky. Only Syrians and Russians wander around the place now.
Those look to be the empty canisters left by the emptying operation.
This one points out the holes drilled on them for emptying:
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/850459002039406593
There's no way USA would have bombed the place if it possessed potent chemical agents. There are civilian settlements quite close. Exploding the containers or setting them on fire could lead in disaster.
They know Syria doesn't have chemical weapons.
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Russian Ka-52 chopper spotted on site.
Fast recovery!
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HAHA, too funny.
This American fellow has fell victim for joint Russia-Syria chemical attack for three times already. And still kicking!
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American police delivers more punch at local anti-war protesters than their cruise missiles delivered at Syria
Apparently there have been multiple protests there over this. No mention about it in established media.
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Russian FM & US Secretary of State discuss US strike on Syria in phone call
Following their conversation over the phone, the two officials agreed to continue the discussion of the Syrian issue during their planned face-to-face meeting, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said.
The US Secretary of State is set to travel to Moscow next week and hold meetings with a number of Russian officials, including Lavrov.
https://www.rt.com/news/384058-lavrov-tillerson-syria-us-strike-call/ (https://www.rt.com/news/384058-lavrov-tillerson-syria-us-strike-call/)
Good, their meeting is still on.
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Secretary of State Rex Tillerson: 'No change' to US military position on Syria after strike
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/secretary-state-rex-tillerson-change-us-military-position/story?id=46674777 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/secretary-state-rex-tillerson-change-us-military-position/story?id=46674777)
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I am hoping for at least 60 more missile strikes to be honest.
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U.S. hopes Russia will abandon support of Syria's Assad - Tillerson
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-foreign-tillerson-idUSKBN17D18D?il=0 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-foreign-tillerson-idUSKBN17D18D?il=0)
The United States hopes Russia will abandon its support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad because actions such as last week's chemical attack have stripped him of all legitimacy, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Tuesday.
"It is clear to us the reign of the Assad family is coming to an end," he told reporters at a meeting of Group of Seven foreign ministers shortly before leaving for Moscow.
"We hope that the Russian government concludes that they have aligned themselves with an unreliable partner in (Syrian President) Bashar Al-Assad," he said.